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January 09, 2020, 07:17:56 PM
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Some of my posts coincide with an article by coincidence.

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I don't see the high risk of losing money here.

So...  On a forum that does not ban scammers for scamming,* a case that involves ban-worthy behaviour of an extremely dishonest nature does not indicate a “high risk of losing money” in trading?

With all due respect, I think that’s extraordinarily naïve at best.

The ban-hammer will almost surely fall on this one.  The-Devil says, “Some of my posts coincide with an article by coincidence.” (!)  Would you risk any money trading with this person?

Unless you can ELI5 the high risk of losing money in this particular situation.

Indeed, would any sane person above the age of four risk money with this person?

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January 09, 2020, 07:33:36 PM
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I don't get the purpose of the flag. Is it for sockpuppeting? Or for plagiarism? Doesn't sound like a proper use of the flag system.
Obvious merit farming. Using deception to obtain merit under fraudulent pretenses.

How is that "a high risk of losing money"? Merit is not money.
It is the deception that in my eyes triggered the flag. The merit he received will allow him to potentially appear more competent than otherwise and will allow him to potentially earn money from having that merit (this is not assuming he sells it — he could earn money without selling the merit).

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January 09, 2020, 07:41:10 PM
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The ban-hammer will almost surely fall on this one.  The-Devil says, “Some of my posts coincide with an article by coincidence.” (!)  Would you risk any money trading with this person?

Even more of a reason to not use the trust system for this. Report to moderators. There is no need for the trust system to encroach on the enforcement of forum rules.

This flag should not be supported by "any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user".

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January 09, 2020, 09:37:38 PM
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I don’t wish to get involved in your drama, but I noticed you opened a frivolous flag and only newbies who have given you merit are supporting it.

I don’t care what you do on your own time, but kindly cut the crap about involving me in your drama.

If you want some solid advice, you should consider taking responsibility for your actions instead of blaming others when you act in ways that the community as a whole doesn’t like and you get caught.

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January 09, 2020, 09:44:57 PM
Last edit: January 09, 2020, 11:08:14 PM by dragonvslinux
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Quickseller alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with The-Devil is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions.

In reality, the flag barely sense and is completely subjective, so I do get Lauda's argument of it's intent. "I believe" followed by "not based on user's opinion" is oxymoronic at best. The entire premise of the flag is based on opinion. Despite the accusations of merit farming and plagiarism, I don't believe there is a high risk of losing money from this user. I'd argue there's a 5-10% higher chance of losing money as it all seems "a bit dodgy", but I wouldn't classify this as "high risk". High risk should be reserved for scammers.

I'm sure other user's believe their alternative opinions for their own reasons.

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January 09, 2020, 09:49:42 PM
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"I believe" followed by "not based on user's opinion" is oxymoronic at best.
Depends on your definition of "belief". I would be one to say that in order to honestly state that a position is true, then you would have to believe it... if you had doubt in the truthfulness of the statement, why would you deem it true? We can go into an epistemological dialogue about this but I see no issue with the wording.

Despite that, I don't personally like seeing a flag used here in lieu of a simple negative trust instead.

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January 10, 2020, 12:24:36 AM
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Deceptive behaviour is flag-worthy, see theymoses quote on account sales[1].
OP didn't asked TMAN to give merits to him or put on some highly intelligent trap to gain those merits hence not deceptive.
Any kind of highly deceptive behaviour is flag-worthy, there is no going around this. Precedent has been set. Why are you guys  trying to defend people who are trying to defraud others (regardless in what way, even if it something as simple as merits)?

IS THIS ABUSE OR NOT?? depends how you want to twist it really... if laudas lies about being on the xcoin launch and no premine/instamine + extortion, + shady escrow + trust abuse or TMANS auction SCAMMING deceptions for direct financial gain are not worthy of red or tags LOLOLOL

Since the trust system is so fucked and lacks clear guidelines for lemons flags and red trust the subjectivity will obviously be exploited and the double standards will be pushed for personal gain.

I will agree with what lauda is claiming "Any kind of highly deceptive behaviour is flag-worthy, there is no going around this." IF he agrees to have this applied to his lies about being on the launch of xcoin and there being no instamine/premine. WHILST HOLDING HUGE BAGS OF IT and trying in various threads to shove that scamming shit coin out there as a fair and honest launch.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5131477.msg50628003#msg50628003

I mean ANY KIND OF DECEPTIVE BEHAVIOR is fucking retarded. Nullius has put he is 2 years old on his account? is that deceptive?? perhaps we can say do some mental gymnastics and claim this has financial gain in it?? what if he wants to get in with VOD or LFC?? I mean is he leveraging this age deception?? I mean sure he is about as smart as a 2 year old window licker from tmans gene pool, but that is not the point.

This kind of stupidity has to stop. Lauda and tman have told lies and been undeniable deceptive for FAR clearer and direct financial gain FFS. You other DT members look fucking pathetic and weak letting this croatian scum bag making you all look corrupt and scammy when you are just mostly pussies. haha

His unbelievable "undercover agents " extortion scheme.

His constant LIES regarding cryptohunter LYING, and then never being able to produce ANY solid evidence of a single lie CH told.

Tman's auction deception where he was caught red handed by OG. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147938.msg51677057#msg51677057

ANY KIND of deception Lauda claims. Then flag this long over due scammer and shit stain. Get some balls DT members.

Also when did noobius become Laudas latest felching twat? was this member always such a pathetic slobbering ass licker of lauda or did his new fetish only kick off when that account was REACTIVATED.

Was there a password change. I mean when some member appears from huge time away and instantly starts supporting A SCAMMER like laudas clear agenda and using terms like "LAUDA AND ME" in his posts.. LOL yeah I will come back and work with the king of scammers whilst finding those seriously dangerous members who prepare answers to questions to get merits (apparently) or other pathetic slobbering reasons to give honest members red trust.

YES, this is abuse. I agree with the initial poster. NOT because the trust system SHOULD NOT be used in this way. BUT it is abuse because there is no consistent agreement on that and it gets USED IN THAT WAY by scammers and deceptive scum to simply punish others.

No lauda WHY should all deceptive behavior get red trust and lemons flags but yours and TMANs undeniable deceptive  and flat out scamming FOR DIRECT FINANCIAL GAIN get no punishment.

OF course you or your mongrel dog tman will answer and I am not interested in listening to noobius ass feltching twats flowery word salad spew excuses either.

Let's here YOUR excuses and why this is NOT abuse based on DOUBLE STANDARDS.

Also ieoeie or whatever that fucktard calls himself is a lying piece of trash. I do not see CH using this trust system to flag and tag all those that attacked him at all. Total lies.

The reader should examine this for themselves.

@actmyname - why is a lemons flag or even TYPE 3 flag any worse for the member than a red trust ?

All most members care about is there sig campaign status. Red trust is used by most CM to deny entry. Even if it is given for the most stupid of reasons that even that CM does not understand they will still mostly ask you to get the DT to remove it first LOL

To me this is abuse based again on the people supporting it should have flags of their own because their deception is in LESS DOUBT and there is a CLEAR DIRECT FINANCIAL GAIN in the cases of TMAN and LAUDA.

If suchmoon was not such a grumpy and bitchy woman she could be DT material. Of all the scumbags she seems to have NO financially motivated wrong doing, and NO clear cases of abusing the trust system. Has tackled at least a pretty big scam too. Only recently started sig spamming. A clear new improved version of her lately. Also has more balls that 99% of the guys on DT those wussy little girls all cringing away cowering and not daring to speak back to lauda and his core of scumbags.

Yes it is abuse currently. However, if ALL deceivers like TMAN and LAUDA are tagged and flagged we can say it is fair and therefore OKAY. Perhaps not sensible still UNLESS there is a CLEAR financial gain or wrong doing involved.


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January 10, 2020, 04:58:21 AM
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I don’t wish to get involved in your drama, but I noticed you opened a frivolous flag and only newbies who have given you merit are supporting it.

I don’t care what you do on your own time, but kindly cut the crap about involving me in your drama.

If you want some solid advice, you should consider taking responsibility for your actions instead of blaming others when you act in ways that the community as a whole doesn’t like and you get caught.

Just Shut up..Cheater, Merit hunter, You are an alt account of @Quickseller.
Here is the proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215097.msg53538429#msg53538429

Just get lost. Cheater, Merit hunter, Account Farmer.

@PrimeNumber7 is an alt account of @Quickseller

Here is the proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215097.msg53538429#msg53538429
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January 10, 2020, 05:36:31 AM
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~snip~

Just Shut up..Cheater, Merit hunter, You are an alt account of @Quickseller.
Here is the proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215097.msg53538429#msg53538429

Just get lost. Cheater, Merit hunter, Account Farmer.

There is not any proof get lost text spinner.
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There is not any proof get lost text spinner.

This is my thread. Who are you telling me to go out? You get lost stupid, poor illiterate noob.

@PrimeNumber7 is an alt account of @Quickseller

Here is the proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215097.msg53538429#msg53538429
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January 10, 2020, 07:08:02 AM
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I'm right in the middle on this one... It would appear this guy writes questions using alts and then answers with The-Devil. This is somewhat confirmed by these alts supporting his frivolous flags. Definitely not trustworthy behavior.

However, I don't think merit farming explicitly makes one "high risk" for trading. If it were trust farming on the other hand, then yes, I could see that being high risk behavior.

Either way, this guy has already been tagged, the jig is up -- I don't think he's gonna be executing any trades or asking for money here under that account.

Sorry guy -- your plan worked well, until it didn't.

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January 10, 2020, 07:19:17 AM
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Is it a good suggestion to delete the flags started by the banned members ?

I will show how it relates.

The-Devil getting banned soon as per the accusations here = All his fake flags getting deleted.

This would fulfil the overall purpose of an boycott from the community, and reduce the heck of opposing all of them.
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"They are abusing power"
Then goes to create retaliatory feedback plus flags against different members. Just Imagine how the state of the forum will be if such a person also gets the "power" they keep talking about.

Instead of complaining around the forum which i believe will only worsen matters, try to be exemplary. It begins with you.

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January 10, 2020, 07:51:00 AM
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This case clearly shows the dualism of the forum. The user in question was supported by a lot of well-meaning members including myself when they thought him/her to be a well-meaning and devoted member. But when evidence pointing to the contrary surfaced it was also investigated and acted upon.

There has been a lot of drama in between the line, to whether the merit dump was deserved or the trust flag justified, but it is a system that checks itself and balances almost in the middle, most of the time. So the right decision is taking 'most of the time'.
I'm asking for a fair trial.

The trust system is unmoderated and checks itself, so this should invariably create an environment of fairness. The evidence was presented and the majority agreed with it. It doesn't have to be dragged on.
Anyone can leave feedback on your profile just as you did in retaliatory feedbacks and only the person can reverse it, same in your case.

Some advice; don't leave retaliatory feedbacks out of spite, it doesn't help anything.
For now, you've not been banned, so you can use your time on the forum to show your net positive input to the forum, and check back in a couple of months for any possibility of changes to the situation.
Good luck with the forum.

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January 10, 2020, 07:58:54 AM
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This is my thread. Who are you telling me to go out? You get lost stupid, poor illiterate noob.

You got busted. You can either learn from the experience or become a bitter troll. It looks like the latter is your preference but you need to try harder - the troll niche is quite crowded these days.

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January 10, 2020, 08:32:01 AM
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I'm right in the middle on this one... It would appear this guy writes questions using alts and then answers with The-Devil. This is somewhat confirmed by these alts supporting his frivolous flags. Definitely not trustworthy behavior.

However, I don't think merit farming explicitly makes one "high risk" for trading. If it were trust farming on the other hand, then yes, I could see that being high risk behavior.


I'd say it's shady/deceptive and is obviously going to be frowned upon, but whether someone thinks that is worthy of a flag is up to them.

This case clearly shows the dualism of the forum. The user in question was supported by a lot of well-meaning members including myself when they thought him/her to be a well-meaning and devoted member. But when evidence pointing to the contrary surfaced it was also investigated and acted upon.

There has been a lot of drama in between the line, to whether the merit dump was deserved or the trust flag justified, but it is a system that checks itself and balances almost in the middle, most of the time. So the right decision is taking 'most of the time'.


Never underestimate how sneaky and conniving people can be here. Anyone with a bit of cunning can quickly learn how to game the system here and many do, especially on the hunt for merit. We used to see it a lot with feedback/trust where people would seek out cheap trades with the right people just to build up some 'green' (and I'm sure it still happens).

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January 10, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
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Is it a good suggestion to delete the flags started by the banned members ?

I will show how it relates.

The-Devil getting banned soon as per the accusations here = All his fake flags getting deleted.

This would fulfil the overall purpose of an boycott from the community, and reduce the heck of opposing all of them.

What is your problem if my account gets banned? Oil your own machine. View your profile. You already have a signature ban because of signature abuse. Prepare yourself first then give a speech. You have only a big mouth. You have no other qualifications.



Indian Noob.

@PrimeNumber7 is an alt account of @Quickseller

Here is the proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215097.msg53538429#msg53538429
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January 10, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
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You have only a big mouth. You have no other qualifications.

I am happy I don't seem as qualified as you to not understand the simple intend of using the flag system here. Get your frivolous flags off it is misuse of the system.


Indian Noob.

Nice, I atleast dragged something real out of you. Nice shades of darks you indicate in your creepy racist and low value thinking.
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January 10, 2020, 02:41:26 PM
Last edit: January 10, 2020, 03:25:55 PM by marlboroza
Merited by nullius (3), actmyname (2)
 #59

I don't get the purpose of the flag. Is it for sockpuppeting? Or for plagiarism? Doesn't sound like a proper use of the flag system.

If things mentioned in that other thread are not already enough:

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Loan Amount: 0.5 Litecoin
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.6
Loan Repay Date: April 5
Type of Collateral: Doge
Escrow profile Link: N/A
Litecoin Address:  MFYAYsNQd86Jk6kbxBvtP426VT7MKSwxt1
Howmany doge you want to give as collateral? Can you pleasepostthe amount?

~quote~

I'm shy to say my Amount. Actually, I have a very little amount of Doge coin. But I badly need this loan. I can give 100 Doge coins. If possible please consider me.

Loan Amount: 0.015
Loan Purpose: Trading purpose
Loan Repay Amount: 0.017
Loan Repay Date: 15-April-2019
Type of Collateral: I have small amount of Kaju coin or this account
Escrow profile Link: None
Bitcoin Address:   3B1SR12HswsLb4A8sfqJC6dEskJvrHMyFk
What is the current price of that?

Loan Amount: 0.5 Litecoin
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.6
Loan Repay Date: April 5
Type of Collateral: Doge
Escrow profile Link: N/A
Litecoin Address:  MFYAYsNQd86Jk6kbxBvtP426VT7MKSwxt1
Howmany doge you want to give as collateral? Can you pleasepostthe amount?





https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090579.0 some posts are missing in thread, but seems OP was scammed:

Quote
This clearly isn't going as expected.

I get negative feedback from scammer Rifat saying he didn't ask for a loan and that I'm "blackmailing" him for money which is incorrect. He indeed asked for a loan and deleted his posts. Now most of the people asking for a loan in this thread gives me negs because they "think" this is a "fake" lending thread and accuses me of other things which is false.


P.S he obviously tried scamming me with his other accounts.

Therefore I'm locking this thread.
**

I can give you 0.04 ETH As a loan But you should give me collateral. I cant give you first. Escrow is most welcome but you pay the fee for Escrow.

Loan Amount: 0.012 ETH
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.015 ETH
Loan Repay Date: 1 april
Type of Collateral: BTC 120% higer from loan amount
Escrow profile Link: --
ETH Address:   0x0d460BE45B3c341A654027ca486141F2549088e4
Sorry but cant give too low loan, as the interest will be less then the fee of refunding bitcoin. Better you exchange that. Thanks.


This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5119455.0

No both are my teammate. we are the digital marketing team.

Notes: "I dont send first, I never send first, I cant send first", some random capital letters:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2726750;sa=showPosts;start=80

and:

If you contribute in this foram then you will get Merit. You should contribute more in this foram. Make informative post and helpful post.

My first ranking up was a while ago. I moved from newbie to Jr Member today. Today is such a day for me to celebrate and enjoy. Today I feel very different happy myself. I am sure it is my birthday gift. With the help of everyone in this forum, I am able to achieve Jr. Member. I hope I can go so far. I want the cooperation of all in this foram. At first, I thought it would be difficult for me to rank up. But It is not. Ranking Up can be done easily if you try hard. I will do my best to contribute to this forum.

Thanks.

This: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg22334499#msg22334499

I am honestly saying that I am not affiliated with those accounts.

I don't even want to talk what I think of this account  Roll Eyes



Why do you think account The-Devil is not "high-risk"? Everything is inside that thread, including trust feedback of other accounts which lead to some other threads.

Edit:
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Such as Bitcoin, Lite Coin, Ethereum
~

Etherium and Lite coin Is good for gambling. Doge coin is also good. But i like to gamble with Lite coin. So I prefer Lite coin.

Dafak is Lite Coin?

Not to mention "ferrari and golf are good. Audi is also good. But I like to drive golf. That is why I like golf"  Roll Eyes

(** edit2)

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January 10, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
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I don't get the purpose of the flag. Is it for sockpuppeting? Or for plagiarism? Doesn't sound like a proper use of the flag system.

If things mentioned in that other thread are not already enough:

~

Loan Amount: 0.5 Litecoin
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.6
Loan Repay Date: April 5
Type of Collateral: Doge
Escrow profile Link: N/A
Litecoin Address:  MFYAYsNQd86Jk6kbxBvtP426VT7MKSwxt1
Howmany doge you want to give as collateral? Can you pleasepostthe amount?

~quote~

I'm shy to say my Amount. Actually, I have a very little amount of Doge coin. But I badly need this loan. I can give 100 Doge coins. If possible please consider me.

Loan Amount: 0.015
Loan Purpose: Trading purpose
Loan Repay Amount: 0.017
Loan Repay Date: 15-April-2019
Type of Collateral: I have small amount of Kaju coin or this account
Escrow profile Link: None
Bitcoin Address:   3B1SR12HswsLb4A8sfqJC6dEskJvrHMyFk
What is the current price of that?

Loan Amount: 0.5 Litecoin
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.6
Loan Repay Date: April 5
Type of Collateral: Doge
Escrow profile Link: N/A
Litecoin Address:  MFYAYsNQd86Jk6kbxBvtP426VT7MKSwxt1
Howmany doge you want to give as collateral? Can you pleasepostthe amount?





https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090579.0 some posts are missing in thread, but seems OP was scammed:

Quote
This clearly isn't going as expected.

I get negative feedback from scammer Rifat saying he didn't ask for a loan and that I'm "blackmailing" him for money which is incorrect. He indeed asked for a loan and deleted his posts. Now most of the people asking for a loan in this thread gives me negs because they "think" this is a "fake" lending thread and accuses me of other things which is false.


P.S he obviously tried scamming me with his other accounts.

Therefore I'm locking this thread.
**

I can give you 0.04 ETH As a loan But you should give me collateral. I cant give you first. Escrow is most welcome but you pay the fee for Escrow.

Loan Amount: 0.012 ETH
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.015 ETH
Loan Repay Date: 1 april
Type of Collateral: BTC 120% higer from loan amount
Escrow profile Link: --
ETH Address:   0x0d460BE45B3c341A654027ca486141F2549088e4
Sorry but cant give too low loan, as the interest will be less then the fee of refunding bitcoin. Better you exchange that. Thanks.


This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5119455.0

No both are my teammate. we are the digital marketing team.

Notes: "I dont send first, I never send first, I cant send first", some random capital letters:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2726750;sa=showPosts;start=80

and:

If you contribute in this foram then you will get Merit. You should contribute more in this foram. Make informative post and helpful post.

My first ranking up was a while ago. I moved from newbie to Jr Member today. Today is such a day for me to celebrate and enjoy. Today I feel very different happy myself. I am sure it is my birthday gift. With the help of everyone in this forum, I am able to achieve Jr. Member. I hope I can go so far. I want the cooperation of all in this foram. At first, I thought it would be difficult for me to rank up. But It is not. Ranking Up can be done easily if you try hard. I will do my best to contribute to this forum.

Thanks.

This: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg22334499#msg22334499

I am honestly saying that I am not affiliated with those accounts.

I don't even want to talk what I think of this account  Roll Eyes



Why do you think account The-Devil is not "high-risk"? Everything is inside that thread, including trust feedback of other accounts which lead to some other threads.

Edit:
~
Such as Bitcoin, Lite Coin, Ethereum
~

Etherium and Lite coin Is good for gambling. Doge coin is also good. But i like to gamble with Lite coin. So I prefer Lite coin.

Dafak is Lite Coin?

Not to mention "ferrari and golf are good. Audi is also good. But I like to drive golf. That is why I like golf"  Roll Eyes

(** edit2)

The BIGGER question is why should we not consider YOU MORONBOZO as high risk??

I mean someone that goes to this much trouble for this kind of newbie low level borderline financially dangerous to prove or rather present reasonable case they are the same person.

BUT you totally support others with FAR STRONGER DIRECT FINANCIALLY HIGH RISK BEHAVIORS.

That makes YOU HIGH RISK.

This also DOES mean you are abusing this forum and the initial poster with DOUBLE STANDARDS you are scamming in effect.

You are PRETENDING and DECEIVING that you CARE about high risk to honest members BUT YOU DO NOT CARE AT ALL because you are supporting lauda, tman and nutildah who have ALL committed undeniable deception for direct financial reward in one way or another and ALL have abused the trust of honest members who have attempted to bring that to the attention of other honest members.

If you really cared about HIGH RISK to other members you would be spending all of this energy INVESTIGATING your pals lauda, tman and nutildah and getting them punished. Why are you NOT?? a touchy point I am sure.

The reader needs to consider this carefully and weigh this AGAINST what can be proven about the INITIAL POSTER who is claiming this is abuse. I totally agree this is abuse of the trust system. Forcing double standards inside the trust system is ABUSE and scamming.

UNDENIABLE hence why nobody dare tackle this point.

I mean moronbozo is said to control the zorrobeck account. I notice as SOON as it was mentioned by someone that marlboroza was NOT PERMITTED to post on their self moderated thread ZORROBECK turns up LOL
MORONBOZO told QS that ONLY video evidence of him using both accounts would be acceptable as proof. Perhaps all should share these high standards of proof he himself demands???  is this MORE double standards??

The trust system is simply a weapon a lot of scammers use to control their DT powers, merit allocations and rev stream control here. In other words it is all one big GAMED AND ABUSED SCAM which ensure the status quo of entrenched ABUSERS is maintained.

Debunk this or eat shit and accept you ARE abusing the trust system AND the initial poster.
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