Is College Worth it? So many graduates In Debt/Underemployed

[BCEmporium]

Better educated people are better citizens; they are trained to think better; they are less vulnerable to superstition, fraud, and charlatanry, political or otherwise.

Sorry, here depends on the education system. You can't say someone with a Madrasa's degree is in anywhere resilient to superstition, actually he most likely dumber at school end then at its begin.

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[Snowfire]

Better educated people are better citizens; they are trained to think better; they are less vulnerable to superstition, fraud, and charlatanry, political or otherwise.

Sorry, here depends on the education system. You can't say someone with a Madrasa's degree is in anywhere resilient to superstition, actually he most likely dumber at school end then at its begin.

Madrassa? LOL. I don't even call that education. I more had the typical four-year curriculum in mind, forcing you to have at least some familiarity with such things as constructing a logical argument, the basics of physics, the arts, and so on--at least introductory, not necessarily cutting-edge stuff.

[BCEmporium]

Madrassa? LOL. I don't even call that education. I more had the typical four-year curriculum in mind, forcing you to have at least some familiarity with such things as constructing a logical argument, the basics of physics, the arts, and so on--at least introductory, not necessarily cutting-edge stuff.

An education system can be managed on several ways. I would not want a "system of truth", a system where whatever bullshit they teach you you must assume as an unquestionable certified ultimate truth, but they do exist and are implemented pretty much anywhere, not just Madrassas, those are just too obvious as "a school for make a retard out of you".
In the end then "education" just means a system to teach you something, not that something is actually worthing it or even properly though.

[noviapriani]

Depends on one's own capabilities, if you can not benefit from higher education, why burden the system? We need more training for those in non degreed areas of employment.

[dogechode]

Madrassa? LOL. I don't even call that education. I more had the typical four-year curriculum in mind, forcing you to have at least some familiarity with such things as constructing a logical argument, the basics of physics, the arts, and so on--at least introductory, not necessarily cutting-edge stuff.

I'm not aware of standard college curriculum's requiring a person to take physics or logic/rhetoric classes. In fact I think that would be quite rare if there are any that make such classes mandatory. Most colleges' "core" requirements consist of a mix of classes, many of which are really just making sure you learned everything that you should have learned in high school (ie basic to intermediate math, english, an art class, a couple foreign language classes, etc.)

The idea that people who go to college are somehow more refined or something probably was more valid back when only a small percentage of people went to college. Now that nearly everyone with a pulse goes to college, there would logically seem to be the same percentage of fanatics and lunatics with degrees as there are in the general population.

[superresistant]

Mainstream view:
You need a degree to compete for the best jobs.
If there is any way to get into college you must do it.
Rebel view:
If you are old enough to apply for college, and you haven't yet figured out how messed up the system is, then you have serious issues.
College is 4 years of indoctrination and partying.
Even if you like to party, avoid college to save a huge amount of money and student loan debt.
Summary:
If you are confident in your ability to start a successful business and/or learn valuable skills that do not require college, then college is a huge waste of time and money.

I agree with this.
I did study for over 4 years but most people I've seen are very naive and blind about reality.
I am now working in a field that have nothing to do with my studies and since few months I make more money in cryptocurrencies than in my job.
I know a lot of +5/+10years of studies people that are still doing internship or are just unemployed.

We must separate two views here, the European and American.
Americans need to take a loan to get to college, Europeans have it nearly free but paid by all with taxes.
Still can't figure which is worse, if put analphabet farmers paying others' college or slam dunk youth into deep debt.

Even when college is free (in some college of some country, it is not everywhere in Europe !) you have to pay your food, rent and bills for years and that make European college far from being free (and I'm not including partying).
It is indeed a big difference but the result is about the same : unemployment & frustration.
The gap between what you expect from studies and reality is growing exponentially.

In the end then "education" just means a system to teach you something, not that something is actually worthing it or even properly though.

This.

The more important is to be able to learn fast and adapt to the word you live in.