PrimeNumber7 is an alt of Quickseller, Take 2

[suchmoon]

I wonder if chipmixer feels they are getting their $6 per post worth out of bickering posts such as this:

I'm quite certain I'll have 100+ posts this week so this costs them $0. And DarkStar_ if free to not pay for any posts he doesn't like or kick me out of the campaign altogether... I think it would be far worse if I tried changing the way I post to appease the campaign.

Thanks for your concern though.

[Timelord2o67]

Fearless post

Oh I didn't say anything about the campaign manager.... I said the paymaster. In this case Chipmixer themselves.

[TECSHARE]

However, Quickseller isn't stalking me.  He hasn't spend the better part of two years trying to dox me.  So, understandably, I don't have the same emotional reaction that Suchmoon may have towards his continued deceitful methods.

I have however been a target of Quickseller over a span of years, yet some how that doesn't count does it?

Funny these ratings always appear on my trust page when I am critical of their friends.

"owlcatz   2020-01-24   Reference   Whiny little meta guy who makes EVERYTHING about himself at some point. QS doxxed me too bro, so wtf? Let it go man.... "

The whole point is I let it go. What is your excuse?

[owlcatz]

However, Quickseller isn't stalking me.  He hasn't spend the better part of two years trying to dox me.  So, understandably, I don't have the same emotional reaction that Suchmoon may have towards his continued deceitful methods.

I have however been a target of Quickseller over a span of years, yet some how that doesn't count does it?

Funny these ratings always appear on my trust page when I am critical of their friends.

"owlcatz   2020-01-24   Reference   Whiny little meta guy who makes EVERYTHING about himself at some point. QS doxxed me too bro, so wtf? Let it go man.... "

The whole point is I let it go. What is your excuse?

No, I'm just posting my observations about your behaviour, not mine.

Cheers and good bye all this thread is dead to me now.

[ibminer]

TimeLord* -- why exactly are you not pointing out the other paid posts in this thread.. like the ones by PrimeNumber7 (Quickseller), TECSHARE, figmentofmyass, etc.?  .. stop derailing, deflecting, or whatever you want to call it.

He has been a dishonest troll. So fucking what? I consider several of you going after Quickseller here to be dishonest trolls as well. Is he stealing from people? No? Then leave it the fuck out of the trust system.

The forum generally sees a person as a person, not an account. Sure, alts are "allowed", but when a person is banned, do they just ignore their alts because the alts didn't do anything? NO! The alts also get banned.

Why should it be left out of the trust system when he is clearly an alt of Quickseller? -- a person who has been identified in the trust system as an escrow scammer, a person who publicly went after many other members in the past for pointing out his dishonest behaviors, and even recently.

He should be elated that he hasn't been banned for his "dishonest trolling" and has only received neutral ratings and can still get a paid signature!

Nobody is muzzling him, he can still talk and be a "dishonest troll" all he wants, his current feedback ratings & exclusions in the trust system don't hinder that at all, so WTF are you all whining about? QuickSeller, and all of you defending him, only appear mad right now because he can no longer make it to a position of trust.

The people defending Quickseller just look like a bunch of corrupted defense lawyers who've had one too many mimosas. -- that's right, mimosas!

Good luck with the arguing, I really don't have the time for it.

[TECSHARE]

However, Quickseller isn't stalking me.  He hasn't spend the better part of two years trying to dox me.  So, understandably, I don't have the same emotional reaction that Suchmoon may have towards his continued deceitful methods.

I have however been a target of Quickseller over a span of years, yet some how that doesn't count does it?

Funny these ratings always appear on my trust page when I am critical of their friends.

"owlcatz   2020-01-24   Reference   Whiny little meta guy who makes EVERYTHING about himself at some point. QS doxxed me too bro, so wtf? Let it go man.... "

The whole point is I let it go. What is your excuse?

No, I'm just posting my observations blatant observable lies about your behaviour, not mine.

Cheers and good bye all this thread is dead to me now.

Fixed that for you.

TimeLord* -- why exactly are you not pointing out the other paid posts in this thread.. like the ones by PrimeNumber7 (Quickseller), TECSHARE, figmentofmyass, etc.?  .. stop derailing, deflecting, or whatever you want to call it.

He has been a dishonest troll. So fucking what? I consider several of you going after Quickseller here to be dishonest trolls as well. Is he stealing from people? No? Then leave it the fuck out of the trust system.

The forum generally sees a person as a person, not an account. Sure, alts are "allowed", but when a person is banned, do they just ignore their alts because the alts didn't do anything? NO! The alts also get banned.

Why should it be left out of the trust system when he is clearly an alt of Quickseller? -- a person who has been identified in the trust system as an escrow scammer, a person who publicly went after many other members in the past for pointing out his dishonest behaviors, and even recently.

He should be elated that he hasn't been banned for his "dishonest trolling" and has only received neutral ratings and can still get a paid signature!

Nobody is muzzling him, he can still talk and be a "dishonest troll" all he wants, his current feedback ratings & exclusions in the trust system don't hinder that at all, so WTF are you all whining about? QuickSeller, and all of you defending him, only appear mad right now because he can no longer make it to a position of trust.

The people defending Quickseller just look like a bunch of corrupted defense lawyers who've had one too many mimosas. -- that's right, mimosas!

Good luck with the arguing, I really don't have the time for it.

Yeah, shame on us for "derailing" this mobbing that is happening for reasons no one can seem to justify. The point is this devalues the trust system, perpetuates unnecessary drama, and sets a bad precedent for its use, and for what? So a handful of you with grudges can sooth your own butthurt by pursuing personal vendettas? These series of threads are a great demonstration how everyone pushing them is only interested in serving themselves at the expense of the community.

[eddie13]

At this rate, this thread will surely make it to 15-20 pages or so..

[Timelord2067]

stop derailing, deflecting, or whatever you want to call it.

None of the above.  See my trust/feedback page for my posts concerning Quickseller (all posted *before* these two threads were started). My feelings on QS are well known.


As to suchmoon - is he the one behind the seemingly ponzi website suchmoon.com and/or the twitter feed promoting that scam that also bares his user name: twitter.com/suchmoon Archive [A1], [A2], [B1], [B2]


Think it's FUD?

The twitter name suchmoon predates the BitCoinTalk name by a month.







As does the domain name:






...and who starts a reputation thread just 40 days after they first register? 

[suchmoon]

Yeah, shame on us for "derailing" this mobbing that is happening for reasons no one can seem to justify. The point is this devalues the trust system, perpetuates unnecessary drama, and sets a bad precedent for its use, and for what? So a handful of you with grudges can sooth your own butthurt by pursuing personal vendettas? These series of threads are a great demonstration how everyone pushing them is only interested in serving themselves at the expense of the community.

Now that you explained all that numerous times in a completely drama-free way, can we get back on topic or do you have other grievances that absolutely need to be in this thread?

At this rate, this thread will surely make it to 15-20 pages or so..

It must be because of my charming personality.

~

I don't use Twitter or whatever the fuck that is and seriously - if you found my reputation thread then why are you derailing this one?

[Timelord2067]

*Cough* - doesn't know what twitter is...  

I don't use Twitter or whatever the fuck that is and seriously - if you found my reputation thread then why are you derailing this one?

How am I derailing this thread?

Did any of you good people on DT come to my rescue when hilarious made a sweeping statement about me that has no basis in truth?

Did any of you good people on DT come to my rescue when eddie13 criticised my previous post?


You good people on DT want to attack others and stand back when one of your own does the attacking, then scratch your heads when anyone wants to question your actions?

Really?

Stay on topic then and don't give lip-service...

[eddie13]

when eddie13 criticised my previous post?

I did?

I think I tend not to criticize your posts, because . . well . . it's unnecessary..

[figmentofmyass]

if you had left things at that (neutral feedback months ago), we wouldn't be having this discussion.

But that was my point in my previous post; i.e. Suchmoon did leave a neutral and call it a day, months ago.

and then he collaborated with nutildah to produce the evidence in this thread. read the OP to the end, this post, etc.

And Suchmoon certainly doesn't need me defending him, he's quite capable.

but you're gonna defend him anyway, right? got it.

FYI my issue is also with you, nutildah, and anyone else defending the practice of using threads like this (full of unproven accusations) to publicly disgrace people. my concern is this forum's embarrassing and fucked up brand of mob justice, not suchmoon specifically. (although i will say his self-righteousness and intellectual dishonesty are infuriating)

If PN7 truly is QS (which I believe to be the case) and his goal is to rank-up and earn signature bounties, I really don't care, and wish him luck.

i feel the same way, i mean, who the fuck cares?

but apparently you and suchmoon are polar opposites in this respect.....

I don't know where you get the notion that Suchmoon and I need to agree on everything.

i was merely implying that your and my opinion on this subject was reasonable. as opposed to some other people....

So, understandably, I don't have the same emotional reaction that Suchmoon may have towards his continued deceitful methods.

suchmoon does indeed seem super emotional around quickseller.

the fact

Right. Shit you make up is a fact and you know me better than I do

I would suggest that you start a new thread to expose my dirty deeds but you're such an anti-witch-hunter and high-road-rider that you'd rather derail this one.

My Friday beverage beckons so I must go without responding to your latest batch of fallacies, please don't take it personally.

typical.

1. omit my entire post so you are free to mischaracterize every word i said. (which you did)
2. fail to address a single point that i made.
3. claim that i'm lying without proving it
4. toss in a completely unproven reference to "fallacies" because why not?

do you seriously wanna go tit for tat on intellectual dishonesty? pretty much everything you say at this point is an obvious deflection, mischaracterization, fallacy, or outright lie. the irony of you accusing anyone else of dishonest behavior at this point is fucking mind blowing.

you are truly lucky that people around here haven't studied logic, otherwise they'd see right through your bullshit.
i wouldn't start a thread about you because i'm not petty and vindictive. i also have zero interest in "exposing you" (wtf? ). unlike you, my mind doesn't work like that---publicly smearing people is not a hobby of mine.

my sole interest is trying to get you (and nutildah etc) to stop publicly mobbing people like this. that is all.

[nutildah]

For the sake of having an honest conversation, can we please try to cut back on all the hyperbole?

FYI my issue is also with you, nutildah, and anyone else defending the practice of using threads like this (full of unproven accusations) to publicly disgrace people.

We're comfortable with you feeling the accusation is "unproven," however, we're not attempting to "publicly disgrace" anybody. You seem intent on mischaracterizing the nature of this thread.

my concern is this forum's embarrassing and fucked up brand of mob justice, not suchmoon specifically.

Again, you keep conflating administration of "justice" with anything that we're doing here.

my sole interest is trying to get you (and nutildah etc) to stop publicly mobbing people like this. that is all.

We're not "publicly mobbing" people. We're simply presenting information requested by others. We're not a kangaroo court or a lynch mob. We're also not the Gestapo, a team of secret/thought police, reputation assassins or whatever similar analogy comes to mind.

Back to the topic at hand: do you personally believe PN7 is an alt of Quickseller, or not?

I'd be appreciative if you could just answer the question without engaging in some sort of deflection or castigation.

[suchmoon]

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Whatever butthurt you might have against someone else should also be moved to the appropriate thread(s).

This is about PN7 == QS. Some random Twitter account has nothing to do with it. I can't prevent you from posting that weird shit but have some dignity and move where it belongs. It's just fucking pathetic how you're grasping at straws.

pretty much everything you say at this point is an obvious deflection, mischaracterization, fallacy, or outright lie. the irony of you accusing anyone else of dishonest behavior at this point is fucking mind blowing.

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publicly smearing people is not a hobby of mine.

LOL, you sure have fooled me.

[TECSHARE]

Love how the accusers are all of a sudden pretending to be the voices of reason so they can project their own behavior on to everyone calling them out. This is of course as they have their proxies attack via trust ratings and spamming false accusations in other threads. How long is everyone going to put up with this kind of behavior?

[DireWolfM14]

and then he collaborated with nutildah to produce the evidence in this thread. read the OP to the end, this post, etc.

So what if they collaborated?  Is it only a valid accusation if no collaboration took place?

FYI my issue is also with you, nutildah, and anyone else defending the practice of using threads like this (full of unproven accusations) to publicly disgrace people. my concern is this forum's embarrassing and fucked up brand of mob justice, not suchmoon specifically. (although i will say his self-righteousness and intellectual dishonesty are infuriating)

I see, your issue isn't with the "unproven accusations" but rather with the people presenting them.  Got it, you don't like nutildah, suchmoon, or me.  Now that we've got that cleared up, debunk the the evidence, please?

i was merely implying that your and my opinion on this subject was reasonable. as opposed to some other people....

I don't know what gave you the impression that I can't be reasonable, or that our's that is the "reasonable" opinion, for that matter.  It's just an opinion, after all, which is subjective.  But I must ask; how reasonable is it to attack the messenger, and not the underlying issue?

The people defending Quickseller just look like a bunch of corrupted defense lawyers who've had one too many mimosas.

If you take a gander at the last couple of pages you'll see; this isn't about defending Quickseller, it's not about what's right or wrong, it's not about protecting the forum from proven scammers making their way to DT.  It's about attacking the accusers, because of who the accusers happen to be in this case.

Look at these arguments; they're all over the place, jumping from one inane comment to another, none of which really address the root of the issue.  They only focus on the individuals involved, not the evidence.  The longer this thread goes the more it will devolve into bickering and meaningless interpersonal squabbles.

[marlboroza]

Love how the accusers are all of a sudden pretending to be the voices of reason so they can project their own behavior on to everyone calling them out. This is of course as they have their proxies attack via trust ratings and spamming false accusations in other threads. How long is everyone going to put up with this kind of behavior?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=156113

And who that "well known member" will be?

@TECHARE all your other "opinions" are very well documented here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214377.msg53534115#msg53534115.

Since the mods seem to think this post is on topic for some reason...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220741.msg53707294#msg53707294

[TECSHARE]

Love how the accusers are all of a sudden pretending to be the voices of reason so they can project their own behavior on to everyone calling them out. This is of course as they have their proxies attack via trust ratings and spamming false accusations in other threads. How long is everyone going to put up with this kind of behavior?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=156113

And who that "well known member" will be?

@TECHARE all your other "opinions" are very well documented here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214377.msg53534115#msg53534115.

Since the mods seem to think this post is on topic for some reason...

What does this rating have to do with the mobbing behavior regarding Quickseller? Am I creating several threads looking for Koshgel's alts and casting more accusations like is being done here? Do I have a years long vendetta with Koshgel, like the one that is being demonstrated here? Also, several of your pals tagged Koshgel before I even tagged him. These two things are no where near comparable. This is just more "NO U!" tactics designed to distract from criticisms of your friends you don't want to be too carefully considered.

[Quickseller]

However, Quickseller isn't stalking me.  He hasn't spend the better part of two years trying to dox me.  So, understandably, I don't have the same emotional reaction that Suchmoon may have towards his continued deceitful methods.

There is no basis in fact to support my doing any of this to suchmoon. Suchmoon is just upset that I would not apply special rules to her (not him) with regards to posting information that she herself posted, and could be found in her post history. It is not my fault she posted something and later came to regret it. It is also not my fault she is so divisive that she creates enemies from other people. I am also not the one searching for what is alleged to be her alt accounts.


Further there is no basis for saying anything I have recently done in years is "continued deceitful methods".

[nutildah]

Further there is no basis for saying anything I have recently done in years is "continued deceitful methods".

I would say accusing a signature campaign manager of theft with one account while sneaking into one of his campaigns with another is pretty deceitful.

What do you call it?

I mean really, who in their right mind does that kind of thing? People who care about money more than anything else in the world, I suppose.