PrimeNumber7 is an alt of Quickseller, Take 2

[TECSHARE]

He's asked me for the same proof over a dozen times - the first few I provided it, but now I don't care if he is the only person who can't understand.

I cannot make the reference link any easier to click on.  :/

Funny, all I see is you repeating the claim you already said it. Interesting no one can seem to find substantiation to your claims anywhere, even you.

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Last time Techy...

He's asked me for the same proof over a dozen times - the first few I provided it, but now I don't care if he is the only person who can't understand.

I cannot make the reference link any easier to click on.  :/

Funny, all I see is you repeating the claim you already said it. Interesting no one can seem to find substantiation to your claims anywhere, even you.

[TECSHARE]

Last time Techy...

He's asked me for the same proof over a dozen times - the first few I provided it, but now I don't care if he is the only person who can't understand.

I cannot make the reference link any easier to click on.  :/

Funny, all I see is you repeating the claim you already said it. Interesting no one can seem to find substantiation to your claims anywhere, even you.

Very good, you can repeat your claims without substantiating anything.

[nutildah]

I'm bumping this thread because it was recently referenced in Meta, and as ninjastic.space has been invented since its creation, I thought I'd use it to statistically hone in on some claims made four and a half years ago now (my how time flies).

The following are peculiar misspellings of words or unique phrases, uncommonly found in the English language, that I suspected were only used by Quickseller and PrimeNumber7, or for the most part only used by him. Just want to add data from ninjastic.space for the top posters of each example written between July 2014 (date Quickseller account was created) and January 2019, the day before this thread was created.

I'm not doing this for the purpose of wanting PN7 to get more tags (he probably shouldn't) so much as to satisfy my curiosity and lend credence to my original assertions, which sparked much debate at the time. I inadvertently identified (what are likely) additional alts of Quickseller in the process.

Here are a few examples of unique misspellings shared by both accounts:

- "passphraise"

Top results via ninjastic.space, along with # of instances per account, possible alts are underlined, accounts quoting QS/PN7 or possible alts are strikethrough:

1. PrimeNumber7 [6]
2. Quickseller [5]
3. fonenumba [2]
4. BTCmoons [1]
5. Coding Enthusiast [1]
6. Kakmakr [1]
7. MineForeman.com [1]
8. Soros Shorts [1]
9. bitmarket.io [1]
10. blumangroup [1]
...
20. thriftshopping [1]

- "immidiately"

Top results:

1. Quickseller [55]
2. ApehaFan777 [16]
3. DIXItip4ik [16]
4. antropogen0009 [15]
5. nofork_man [15]
6. Akaiito_Official [13]
7. aragon4ikSS [12]
8. semiwylson [12]
9. ricardovaldossa [11]
10. surtur001s [9]
...
89. PrimeNumber7 [2]

- "boarder"

Top results:

1. johnyj [10]
2. Spazzer [9]
3. popcorn1 [9]
4. Spendulus [8]
5. Tyrantt [6]
6. cryptonit [6]
7. pimpjuice [6]
8. pooya87 [6]
9. criptix [5]
10. deodivine1 [5]
11. Quickseller [4]
...
42. PrimeNumber7 [2]

- "Rodger Ver"

1. Alohadance [11]
2. Quickseller [7]
3. LTU_btc [6]
4. gembitz [6]
5. Lauda [3]
6. bitkilo [3]
7. cryptohunter [3]
8. PrimeNumber7 [2]
9. Rosewater Foundation [2]
10. cryptorTUX [2]

- "monitory"

1. iCEBREAKER [23]
2. arielbit [11]
3. Quickseller [7]
4. AdamWhite [4]
5. Gleb Gamow [3]
6. Hyperjacked [3]
7. bobbywin [3]
8. CryptoBry [2]
9. JayJuanGee [2]
10. Sithara007 [2]
...
42. PrimeNumber7 [1]


Here's some uncommon words/phrases being used by both accounts, many of which are used by QS on more than one occasion:

- "underlying root cause"

Top results:

1. provenceday [6]
2. InvexCoin [5]
3. Quickseller [3]
4. immakingacoin [3]
5. HostFat [2]
6. af_newbie [2]
7. coins4commies [2]
8. protokol [2]
9. BADecker [1]
10. BitcoinJustin [1]
...
20. PrimeNumber7 [1]

- "sow discord"

Top results:

1. TECSHARE [4]
2. Wind_FURY [3]
3. jonald_fyookball [3]
4. PrimeNumber7 [2]
5. Spendulus [2]
6. iCEBREAKER [2]
7. korvas128 [2]
8. yurez83 [2]
9. AGD [1]
10. Alone055 [1]
...
18. Quickseller [1]

- "maximum benefit of the doubt"

Top results:

1. Drachmae [4]
2. Quickseller [4]
3. eddietheboss [4]
4. frankieShtain [4]
5. Probonau [3]
6. 3r197 [2]
7. GameOfCoins [2]
8. PrimeNumber7 [2]
9. jamespastagueule [2]
10. suchmoon [2]


Of this selection, the least common words/phrases used by both QS and PN7 are:

"passphraise"
"Rodger Ver"
"maximum benefit of the doubt"

Looking at some other accounts that wrote "passphraise", we find some interesting trust ratings:

fonenumba

jamesphamm33

2015-02-02

Reference

Shill account of Quickseller

thriftshopping

jamesphamm33

2015-02-14

Shill account of Quickseller

I'm sure there's others that could be found but this post is long enough for now.

Not sure if this further solidifies the connection or not, but at least there's some statistical backing for my original claims now.

[Timelord2067]

For me to accept your studies of the use of misspelled words you would have to retroactively agree to accept my "proof" of connections based (in part) on matching misspelled words.

Do you accept that notion?

[DaveF]

I have not dug into this enough to really comment on it, but and this is just me, certain misspellings may be from copy - paste - accept in browser spell check when you see the underlines.

Not saying yes or no about anything here specifically just that I am in the been there done that part of life with this. Not in the crypto world but in real life work.
Added asomething to auto correct that was not correct and then it kept correcting it to the wrong thing.
Admittedly not one of my finer moments, but still worth pointing out that it may be unintentional with some users.

That is unless everyone gets together and starts using processers instead of processors. Good thing someone caught it, but I can at least kind of relate.
Using the example above I think we can all agree that Lauda is not an alt but still used "Rodger Ver"

-Dave

[yahoo62278]

I have not dug into this enough to really comment on it, but and this is just me, certain misspellings may be from copy - paste - accept in browser spell check when you see the underlines.

I have always been under the impression that Quickseller was a somewhat intelligent person and cannot see them doing copy/paste. I'm not sure if they have spellcheck enabled or not, but seif they keep seems like that would be a no if they keep misspelling certain words.

[JeromeTash]

I have not dug into this enough to really comment on it, but and this is just me, certain misspellings may be from copy - paste - accept in browser spell check when you see the underlines.

Admittedly, I am even hesitant to connect accounts based on spelling mistakes or certain phrases unless if there is something else connecting the accounts whereby the misspellings are just additional pieces of evidence.
Some innocent users may end up being potential collateral damage, like in this case Several Accounts Misspelling Manchester City Footballer "Kelvin De Bruyne" 

The Quickseller unending drama is older than my existence here, so I will leave it to those who know him more to judge.

[DaveF]

I have not dug into this enough to really comment on it, but and this is just me, certain misspellings may be from copy - paste - accept in browser spell check when you see the underlines.

I have always been under the impression that Quickseller was a somewhat intelligent person and cannot see them doing copy/paste. I'm not sure if they have spellcheck enabled or not, but seif they keep seems like that would be a no if they keep misspelling certain words.

I'm not saying a copy / paste and entire post. Just some text from A to B. Then when spellcheck gives it a red underline they instead of correcting it they accidentally add it to the dictionary and then it just persists. I have done it, as have countless others.

If there are OTHER indicators that 2 accounts may be linked then it's another data point. But, by itself or only with very nebulous connections I would not use it to link accounts.

Either way, I wish I had more time to dig into it, but I don't so I'll just back out of this conversation.

-Dave

 

[TwitchySeal]

What have the overall reactions been from QS and PN7?

Haven't kept up with everything, just looking for a general "ignore, deny, get cagey and defensive", feels like each has to be one of those three.

[LoyceV]

What have the overall reactions been from QS and PN7?

As far as I know, they haven't responded to the accusation. Which makes me think they're probably alts, but don't want to admit it and don't want to lie about it either.
If someone would accuse me of being QS' alt, I'd simply deny it.

[suchmoon]

What have the overall reactions been from QS and PN7?

Haven't kept up with everything, just looking for a general "ignore, deny, get cagey and defensive", feels like each has to be one of those three.

PN7 lashed out at me with typical QS nonsense (made up accusations of scamming, of sockpuppeting nutildah, etc) so as far as I'm concerned this is further proof that they're alts. Also gave some absurd excuses that phone spell checker was the reason for common language patterns.

I will say up front that Suchmoon has been making innuendoes of the underlying connection for months. I also have good reason to believe he has been trying to get some people who are active in handing out tags to notice this connection "on their own". This leads me to believe the evidence is not strong (see OP), or has the potential to reflect poorly on Suchmoon for some reason.

Further, with the near admission of puppetry used in this thread, I would question your claim of lack of involvement in this thread, and this one...

It is clear to me this has been spread by Suchmoon since mid May, this included by a trust exclusion and a neutral rating (I don't remember which one came first). This happened to be within a few weeks of getting a rule prohibiting the sale of KYC verified accounts without explaining how they are not hacked enforced. It has long been my presumption the rating was in response to my weeding out this particular type of fraud in the marketplace as a form of retaliation.

I feel like you are failing to grasp what I am doing at a fundamental level

Are you Suchmoon?

No.

Why would you think we are the same person?

Well let’s be clear that you are not doing this and this isn’t any of your research.

I like to read the forum from my phone, and will sometimes post from my phone. When I post, I will often accept predictive text that my phone suggests.

There is an interesting twist to this that was not publicly known at the time thread was started. You'll notice that in a couple of threads on this topic one of the most active defenders of PN7/QS is figmentofmyass, who was already being suspected to have a nice little sockpuppet farm of his own... eventually exposed by nutildah via CM campaign payouts and other blockchain evidence. Why is that significant? nutildah suspected these alts based on language patterns (like the ones this thread is based on) and I was 100% sure that figmentofmyass/squatter/extasie were alts when I ran CM campaign user list through the same NLP methods that I used on Quicksy's alts. Methods originally used by tspacepilot to expose quicksy's alts back in the day.

There was another pair of alts in the CM campaign but given the community's attitude towards language analysis and lack of blockchain evidence it was never posted publicly (at least not that I recall).

I think there is a great deal of irony here given the current anxiety over AI, but that's a whole other story.

[nutildah]

For me to accept your studies of the use of misspelled words you would have to retroactively agree to accept my "proof" of connections based (in part) on matching misspelled words.

Do you accept that notion?

I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about but if you enlighten me I'd be open to consider it.

What have the overall reactions been from QS and PN7?

Haven't kept up with everything, just looking for a general "ignore, deny, get cagey and defensive", feels like each has to be one of those three.

Back then, QS did respond somewhat cleverly, by using a lot of the shared terms I mentioned in his post. Apparently it wasn't in this thread though because I can't find it here.

It's also worth mentioning that the connection made back then didn't solely rely on linguistical analysis, it also was based on plenty of other similarities between the two accounts (most of which are explained in the OP). It would have to be some pretty rock-solid, tspacepilot-type stuff to be purely based on linguistics.

[Sexylizzy2813]

What have the overall reactions been from QS and PN7?

As far as I know, they haven't responded to the accusation. Which makes me think they're probably alts, but don't want to admit it and don't want to lie about it either.
If someone would accuse me of being QS' alt, I'd simply deny it.

Not everybody would like to respond to accusations such as this, some tend to keep cool and like it slide.
And it may seem to be that they are clean of these accusations, come to think of it, why not use something different to get to this user instead of using pattern of writing posting or spelling. To me is some how not in line to get this accusation right.
I know you guys at the top see these alt as a crime (lemme use that) or offence, that's having an alt account is an offence but what if this guy just felt like starting afresh? I know some might just grow a new account then sell it (which is not cool to me). The user might get tired of the old account and start up a new one for no negative reason, you know? Something like that might be.

[Timelord2067]

Not everybody would like to respond to accusations such as this, some tend to keep cool and like it slide.

What's amusing in all of this is the very same DT users who would suggest my connections - with proof mind you - are not to be trusted, but their own "hunches" - without proof - are somehow more trustworthy.  Not connection has been made between the two, just a whole lot of screaming and shouting ^{(as if that's all the "proof" you need)  .}


I see suchmoon is back from a stint of maternity leave - congratulations.  Hopefully you are refreshed and can see the world in a new light.  ^{(I have your posts on ignore, so I haven't followed if you have reverted to form or are a new woman - hopefully it's the latter).}

[suchmoon]

I see suchmoon is back from a stint of maternity leave - congratulations.  Hopefully you are refreshed and can see the world in a new light.  ^{(I have your posts on ignore, so I haven't followed if you have reverted to form or are a new woman - hopefully it's the latter).}

I don't think that's how "maternity leave" works but it's not like complete detachment from reality has ever stopped you from derailing threads.

If you don't like the presented evidence you could just "~" instead of trying to make it about you. It's not about you. Move on. Get a life or two.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I have not dug into this enough to really comment on it, but and this is just me, certain misspellings may be from copy - paste - accept in browser spell check when you see the underlines.

Maybe....but given that QS has a reputation for having had a posse of alt accounts at the ready when he needed them to support whatever argument he was making, I'm inclined to go with the evidence nutildah presented here. 

However, "underlying root cause" and "maximum benefit of the doubt" could just be phrases that were trendy at the time of posting (or at least had been used and picked up and used again by multiple members).  I've probably written the former one a few times in my life, even though "root cause" or "underlying cause" would be a more efficient use of words.  The rest of those misspellings are definitely not ones that most people who can speak and write fluent English would make, except perhaps for the "Rodger Ver" boo boo.

"Sow discord" is the correct way to spell that though, correct?  It's certainly not a common expression, but I know it isn't "sew".

What's amusing in all of this is the very same DT users who would suggest my connections - with proof mind you - are not to be trusted, but their own "hunches" - without proof - are somehow more trustworthy. 

Some of your connections have been on the money, and I daresay many of them have over the years.  Don't know how or why you turned this into an attack against you, but if the cause for the hunches is the same you ought not have a problem with any of this aside from your bruised ego, right?

[Sexylizzy2813]

What's amusing in all of this is the very same DT users who would suggest my connections - with proof mind you - are not to be trusted, but their own "hunches" - without proof - are somehow more trustworthy.  Not connection has been made between the two, just a whole lot of screaming and shouting ^{(as if that's all the "proof" you need)  .}


I see suchmoon is back from a stint of maternity leave - congratulations.  Hopefully you are refreshed and can see the world in a new light.  ^{(I have your posts on ignore, so I haven't followed if you have reverted to form or are a new woman - hopefully it's the latter).}

@Timelord2067 I really don't know where all these are going but to me it seems you have something you have to air out. Or is it that you have an issue with @Suchmoon?
Well if the DT are having a different view on your connection to this with theirs to be in the right direction without any evidence as you have then is best you just let it be.
Or is best you keep convincing them with more of your proof instead of waging a war against @Suchmoon, no need for all these, why not you guys face the issue at hand and let's know who's on the right track.

[nutildah]

Please take your petty personal grievances elsewhere. I offered to engage with you in my last post but you ignored that in favor of pursuing off-topic nonsense. You should start your own thread called 'Timelord vs. the forum' where you air out all the beef you have with people who have wronged you over the years.

As a matter of fact, I don't think any further good can come from leaving this thread open so I'm locking it. If you have something relevant to the discussion to add, you can PM me about it and I'll re-open it for you.