Should DT and Merit Source Members Be Promoting A Known Scam?

[hacker1001101001]

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I am not trying to mislead, the above statement of your was what you used against me to call me a lier. Me clearing this up just triggered you to bring up my accusation which was merely solved by my apology and willingness to not repeat it in there respective thread.

I thought that it really contradicts what you said earlier hence enlighted it. I don't have any hidden motives against you nor you should deem too. My feedback on your trust wall stands about you fighting the scams from the bottom of your heart but you are really pushing users into your grudge against YoBit overall. Did you ever thought of complaining to theymos about it once ? IIRC he banned the campaign last time when it was creating spam, this time there are clear evidences of listing scam tokens. I think he would consider. Just an advice.

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[suchmoon]

Can someone translate this post to english:

doğru bir yaklaşım, umarım kazanır, Kalemder foruma düzenli katkılarının yanında bir de sanat yarışmasında olağanüstü emek gösterdi,

Meta'daki türlü entrikalara rağmen de çok erdemli duruş sergiledi, haklı bir seçim olur.

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These guys are classing up the Chipmixer campaign in a hurry:

Hayırdır din forumu mu burası? Nereye nasıl yazacağımı senden mi öğreneceğim? Translate konusunda iyisin bunu da tercüme et oku, sonra da kendi işine bak yalamaya devam et.

[Blacknavy]

Hayırdır din forumu mu burası? Nereye nasıl yazacağımı senden mi öğreneceğim? Translate konusunda iyisin bunu da tercüme et oku, sonra da kendi işine bak yalamaya devam et.

Forbidden has nothing to do with this topic.
Although I do not like Vispilio, the injustices all of you made to him clearly prove that you are not objective.

[suchmoon]

Although I do not like Vispilio, the injustices all of you made to him clearly prove that you are not objective.

What injustices are those? Do they correlate at all with Vispilio's inability to grasp the difference between a diary and a trust system?

[JollyGood]

Can someone translate this post to english:

doğru bir yaklaşım, umarım kazanır, Kalemder foruma düzenli katkılarının yanında bir de sanat yarışmasında olağanüstü emek gösterdi,

Meta'daki türlü entrikalara rağmen de çok erdemli duruş sergiledi, haklı bir seçim olur.

?

These guys are classing up the Chipmixer campaign in a hurry:

Hayırdır din forumu mu burası? Nereye nasıl yazacağımı senden mi öğreneceğim? Translate konusunda iyisin bunu da tercüme et oku, sonra da kendi işine bak yalamaya devam et.

You are on to something suchmoon but there is an obvious contradiction in what Vispilio writes because in one place he accuses/alludes to Chipmixer being nothing more than a scam (which is what Yobit is) and on the other hand he asks to join the Chipmixer campaign:

No matter what one's moral views are, a BTT user should not be penalized for promoting one of the most well known crypto exchanges.

Many crypto exchanges are engaging in unethical practices like fake volume, pump & dump schemes, shitcoin IEO's, etc. and yet they are still highly popular because they also manage to fulfill some really valuable duties like market efficiency and liquidity.

As numerous users have already noted, an analogy can be drawn between promoting Chipmixer and Yobit's InvestBox:

you can choose to be a smart investor and use Investbox to make 0.1% on your BTC monthly without ever investing in any of the shit coins, or you may choose to be a gambler and pursue some short term wild gains in the massively inflated shitcoins (similarly Chipmixer service can be used for illicit activites, yet the marketer cannot and should not be held accountable for a potential abuse of a service that has other net benefits to the ecosystem)...

I agree the wording of the signature can be revised to be more honest, but trying to frame hundreds of Cryptotalk / Yobit participants would be one of the most harmful things this forum can do to herself and its user base...

User name: Vispilio
Post count: 2525
BTC Address (Segwit): bc1qjpms8lghlmd5at6h3h72udgy3elznt9gd32zgx

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I agree with Chipmixer's dictum that more local board presence for this campaign will be excellent  

Best

It is clear that those duplicitous traits are not enough to ask whether he deserves to be DT ranked or not but what cannot be ignored is his promoting of a banner he himself calls a scam. No user, especially a DT ranked should be able to do that.

[Blacknavy]

What injustices are those? Do they correlate at all with Vispilio's inability to grasp the difference between a diary and a trust system?

You and your sweet friends are the authority here.
Enjoy.

[suchmoon]

What injustices are those? Do they correlate at all with Vispilio's inability to grasp the difference between a diary and a trust system?

You and your sweet friends are the authority here.
Enjoy.

That doesn't really answer the question. Ignore the second part as it's admittedly a bit loaded.

What injustices?

[eddie13]

It seems the community came to the general consensus that yobit is not too much of a scam for it to be advertised on the forum right?
I don't like that they were allowed to come back and advertise after being banned for it but the community allowed it..

"Oh well I guess CryptoTalk isn't really directly a scam though its parent Yobit facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh well I guess Yobit isn't directly a scam though it facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh noes!! X10 coin? That is almost definitely a scam so we can't advertise that!!  Better just go back to advertising only Yobit, who is a scam advertiser, but indirectly advertising scams is ok? Right guys?" -let them advertise

X10 coin is nothing new for Yobit.. They have been pushing similar "scams" for years since the ROM crap..

I wonder how many DT members are currently accepting payment from Yobit?

Is Yobit a scam or not?
Is advertising for Yobit advertising for a scam or not?
If it is, then why is it here advertising at all?

It's just too darn close to the edge for a clear consensus it seems..

Why can Vispillo be tagged for advertising a "scam" but all the other that do can not?
Because he posted that he thinks one of Yobit's products is a "scam" and therefore is knowingly advertising a "scam"?

So let me get this straight..
If I go find any posts from anyone currently being paid by Yobit, or has been paid by Yobit, who has previously stated that they think any of Yobit's products (past or present) are a "scam" prior to them accepting any form of payment for their advertisement, they should be red tagged?

But no red tags for anyone advertising Yobit as long as they have never themselves stated that they think any Yobit products are a "scam"?
What a situation in that it depends on the post history of all individual advertising users..

Their are probably plenty to be tagged on this basis.. How many even in DT I wonder?

How can this be made consistent one way or another?


Maybe if I go find a couple more examples of users advertising for yobit while having previously stated they think that any yobit product is/was a scam, then it can be decided to tag them all or tag none..
Sound fair?

[TECSHARE]

It seems the community came to the general consensus that yobit is not too much of a scam for it to be advertised on the forum right?
I don't like that they were allowed to come back and advertise after being banned for it but the community allowed it..

"Oh well I guess CryptoTalk isn't really directly a scam though its parent Yobit facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh well I guess Yobit isn't directly a scam though it facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh noes!! X10 coin? That is almost definitely a scam so we can't advertise that!!  Better just go back to advertising only Yobit, who is a scam advertiser, but indirectly advertising scams is ok? Right guys?" -let them advertise

X10 coin is nothing new for Yobit.. They have been pushing similar "scams" for years since the ROM crap..

I wonder how many DT members are currently accepting payment from Yobit?

Is Yobit a scam or not?
Is advertising for Yobit advertising for a scam or not?
If it is, then why is it here advertising at all?

It's just too darn close to the edge for a clear consensus it seems..

Why can Vispillo be tagged for advertising a "scam" but all the other that do can not?
Because he posted that he thinks one of Yobit's products is a "scam" and therefore is knowingly advertising a "scam"?

So let me get this straight..
If I go find any posts from anyone currently being paid by Yobit, or has been paid by Yobit, who has previously stated that they think any of Yobit's products (past or present) are a "scam" prior to them accepting any form of payment for their advertisement, they should be red tagged?

But no red tags for anyone advertising Yobit as long as they have never themselves stated that they think any Yobit products are a "scam"?
What a situation in that it depends on the post history of all individual advertising users..

Their are probably plenty to be tagged on this basis.. How many even in DT I wonder?

How can this be made consistent one way or another?


Maybe if I go find a couple more examples of users advertising for yobit while having previously stated they think that any yobit product is/was a scam, then it can be decided to tag them all or tag none..
Sound fair?

The only problem is this kind of behavior only expands with this "ok we make it fair by being excessive with everyone". This is the kind of slow creep that takes away everyone's freedoms and ability to be left alone unless directly victimizing others. The kind of people who love running around searching for people to tag over this kind of stuff are salivating over an excuse to just do it for everyone thus retroactively justifying their behavior. Of course you know they will still make exceptions for their pals anyway, but now they have a whole heap of more people to lord over.

[marlboroza]

@eddie13 I guess no one wants more drama and it is damn time consuming. Imagine tagging one account and then they say why only me and then you tag another account and they say why not that other account then you start tagging hundreds accounts and everyone accuse you of trust abuse. Or you tag one and not tag other accounts and someone accuse you of trust abuse. Then some accounts like TECSHARE above start mental gymnastic and create more drama. And when you ask them to elaborate "why is it OK to tag one scammer but if you tag 100 scammers for the same thing then it is not OK" they don't answer but they run away to another thread and repeat the same thing, and drama continues.

Anyway, if you do this:



No one will say that it is not OK to tag someone just because they are in signature campaign, but obviously doesn't work in all scenarios.

Vispilio tried to troll but in the "real life", if you pull "yeah, it is pyramid scam" and you still decide to advertise it, and you get caught, you will be fined. For example, in my country, if you knowingly advertise financial pyramid scam, which is what you agreed to advertise when you took that signature and said they run pyramid scam, you can get up to 3 years in jail.

Strong "opinions" and "free speech" can be very dangerous. Teaching people that it is ok to advertise scam because it is not your business if someone can't recognize scam is scammy behavior itself.

[crazy-joe]

Vispilio tried to troll but in the "real life", if you pull "yeah, it is pyramid scam" and you still decide to advertise it, and you get caught, you will be fined. For example, in my country, if you knowingly advertise financial pyramid scam, which is what you agreed to advertise when you took that signature and said they run pyramid scam, you can get up to 3 years in jail.

Really? So I'm not sure this forum is legal in your country Sir.
At least 2 sections here are dedicated to that

The Gambling section

Gambling and all "investments" that are so risky they might as well be gambling (HYIPs, pyramid schemes, etc.)

The Investor-based games section

Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APY far above the reasonable market rate.

[LoyceV]

It seems the community came to the general consensus that yobit is not too much of a scam for it to be advertised on the forum right?
I don't like that they were allowed to come back and advertise after being banned for it but the community allowed it..

Small correction: Yobit's signature was never banned for being a scam, it was banned for spamming the forum.

[marlboroza]

Really? So I'm not sure this forum is legal in your country Sir.
At least 2 sections here are dedicated to that

Hm, Ok, you missed my point.

Please elaborate your statement.

[crazy-joe]

Really? So I'm not sure this forum is legal in your country Sir.
At least 2 sections here are dedicated to that

Hm, Ok, you missed my point.

Please elaborate your statement.

There is nothing to elaborate Sir. The forum obviously allows HYIP and pyramid schemes investments.
So you can't blame people who think it 's allowed here.

[marlboroza]

Really? So I'm not sure this forum is legal in your country Sir.
At least 2 sections here are dedicated to that

Hm, Ok, you missed my point.

Please elaborate your statement.

There is nothing to elaborate Sir. The forum obviously allows HYIP and pyramid schemes investments.
So you can't blame people who think it 's allowed here.

What the fuck does it mean "here"? Scam is not moderated, use search button for scam related subjects. There are so many useful threads you should read.
Seems some people think what is done "here" is not done "for real" 

[crazy-joe]

I'm talking about the forum Sir

[suchmoon]

There is nothing to elaborate Sir. The forum obviously allows HYIP and pyramid schemes investments.
So you can't blame people who think it 's allowed here.

Scams are not moderated. What exactly is your point?

[crazy-joe]

There is nothing to elaborate Sir. The forum obviously allows HYIP and pyramid schemes investments.
So you can't blame people who think it 's allowed here.

Scams are not moderated. What exactly is your point?

These sections are moderated.

[eddie13]

The only problem is this kind of behavior only expands with this "ok we make it fair by being excessive with everyone". This is the kind of slow creep that takes away everyone's freedoms and ability to be left alone unless directly victimizing others.

I'm not much of a supporter of giving up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, or in other words, protecting idiots at the expense of loosing valuable users over minor infractions that could possibly put some idiots at greater risk, but if that is what it is then atleast it should be done consistently..

This whole Yobit situation has become too fine of an obfuscated line..
One could definitely make the argument that any advertisement of any Yobit product is advertising a "scam", as in very "high risk" and even predatory "investments"/"scams?"..
On the other hand an argument could be made along the lines of "So what?".. If people are stupid enough to buy the crap then they are stupid and stupid is as stupid does..

The current situation is some sort of blurry line drifting around in the sea somewhere between both of those camps, with possible harsh punishment for tripping on it?

Stupid situation that wouldn't even exist if users didn't want that yobit dust so badly..
Seems you can get away with a lot more, and push the boundaries, as long as you throw around some coin..
Almost like a bribe.. What can you get away with as long as you are paying?

I wouldn't recommend Yobit as a very safe exchange or any of their investments as good investments, but I would use it to dump some coins or something and might recommend to use it to get in, do your business, and get out..
Also, no matter how terrible some coin or asset being traded is, if it has volatility, it can be flipped for a profit..

Teaching people that it is ok to advertise scam because it is not your business if someone can't recognize scam is scammy behavior itself.

Is it a "scam" or just a predatory "high risk" investment offering? Where is the line?

Small correction: Yobit's signature was never banned for being a scam, it was banned for spamming the forum.

Right..
After that it's surprising to me that it was welcomed back as it has been, especially considering its borderline scamminess.. But it pays right?


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[marlboroza]

Is it a "scam" or just a predatory "high risk" investment offering? Where is the line?

Is X10 scam "or just predatory high risk investment offering"?

That is literally what he just asked you. The point being by what standard is this applied?

It should be self-explanatory. I quoted examplens's post few post's back btw, you are old enough to read.