~Vispilio, the Yobit scam defender who will smear your business if you don’t pay

[nullius]

I have been examining the Yobit scam.  Although I am not yet ready to speak on the topic itself, I observe that it has hit a new low (with brazen-faced boldface in the original):

Nothing to do with retaliation, everything written there is the absolute truth, try it sometime, it might make a man out of you yet marlboroza... Good Luck

Your rating is bullshit. There are no "irrefutable flags" that JollyGood's criticism of Yobit will cause financial damage. You seem to be unable to separate opinion from fact, not a good trait for a DT member.

In principle, it is irrefutable. There is a difference between theory and practice. The full disclosure of malicious intent is sufficient to warrant a negative feedback.

When you think about it, everything is an opinion when it comes to moral judgement.

"There are no moral phenomena, only a moral interpretation of phenomena" (one of the strongest quotes from Beyond Good and Evil)

Based on past observations, I don't expect a petty spiteful manipulator like you to understand the intricacies of ontology, but I hope you can at least use your energies to improve your intellectual faculties a bit for the well being of this forum, as theymos seems to so far have placed an inexplicably high amount of trust in you...

For an education, see the trust feedback with which I tagged #982288 “Vispilio” on 2020-01-23 (archival reference link):

Pseudointellectual poetaster who abuses Nietzsche for the purpose of defending the Yobit scam.  Despicable!  “Let it at once be noted that in this first kind of morality [MASTER-MORALITY] the antithesis ’good’ and “bad” means practically the same as ‘noble’ and ‘despicable’,—the antithesis ‘good’ and ‘EVIL’ is of a different origin.  ...it is a fundamental belief of all aristocrats that the common people are untruthful.  ‘We truthful ones’—the nobility in ancient Greece called themselves.” — Nietzsche, *Beyond Good and Evil*, Aphorism 260.

Do not trust Vispilio’s philosophic opinions.  Also, do not trust the honesty of a Yobit defender.  —Also, ~Vispilio.

Moreover, this time with boldface added, re:

[...]

[...]

Your Middle Eastern ancestors would spit on your face if they knew you would stoop to dishonorable lies for a few dollars more,
and I promise you I would teach you a lesson that your ancestors would be proud of, if you were to try any of this duplicitous bullshit in person, Mr. DireHyena...

...and:

Nothing to do with retaliation, everything written there is the absolute truth, try it sometime, it might make a man out of you yet marlboroza... Good Luck

Please be advised that my rating is of you in yourself, not only of your actions.  For, “It is obvious that everywhere the designations of moral value were at first applied to MEN; and were only derivatively and at a later period applied to ACTIONS...”  (Nietzsche, ibid.)  You have no honour, Vispilio.  You make empty Internet tough-guy threats, the hallmark of a coward.  You quote Nietzsche in the same manner as an unguided youth who just discovered him in an Internet quotebook.  You are not a man.

Now, stop talking down to your betters; stop insulting the manhood of others, if that’s a concept you wish to ever learn about; stop abusing Nietzsche, whose philosophy you are manifestly incapable of comprehending; and stop supporting an infamous scam!

[wolwoo]

You are right until the end, I would have used Charles Bukowski in my arguments and would have made solid swear words. Who is Nietzsche? an ordinary thinker ...

[Vispilio]

~~~ sockpuppet with extreme butthurt joining the crusade against intellect and virtue on this forum

what else can you do about it nullius, besides scheming with your NPC troll buddies and joining them in writing slanderous novellas on an internet forum,

remove your totally nonsense rating of me, and stop quoting Nietzsche, there is not a single sentence in his writings that was designed for formless, anonymous cowards like you...

Ignored, because now I have to finally go make a thread about how the most influential local forum poster had a fake crusade built against him just so he can't get into Chipmixer, I agree with you on one point, Reputation and Trust system in BTT have hit an all time low.

[nullius]

You are right until the end, I would have used Charles Bukowski in my arguments and would have made solid swear words.

I wondered whether you simply have a very subtle sense of humour...

Who is Nietzsche? an ordinary thinker ...

...until I realized that you are just trolling me.

~~~ sockpuppet with extreme butthurt joining the crusade against intellect and virtue on this forum

I would be mildly curious about my alleged identity, but these sockpuppet accusations wax boring:  My style is inimitable; and on the other side of the coin, I am unable to conceal it.  Attempts at sockplay would thus be for me quite foolish.

As for “intellect and virtue” (whereas “virtue” in its original sense meant manly excellence), the most intellectual response that your crude, childish tantrum deserves is:  LOL.

what else can you do about it nullius, besides scheming with your NPC troll buddies and joining them in writing slanderous novellas on an internet forum,

It is unsurprising that the petty charlatan who botched Nietzsche so as to lecture suchmoon on “the intricacies of ontology” lacks the literacy to do other than whine about my “novellas”.

remove your totally nonsense rating of me,

I assure you that it will remain exactly where it is at least until either Hell freezes over, or I mine a Bitcoin block on my Raspberry Pi.  Per Nietzsche’s master-morality, it is a judgment of you as a person, remember?  Now, whyever do you suppose that I would heed the peremptory demand of a despicable dolt who covers his stupidity with pseudointellectual pretense, his cowardice with empty Internet threats toward a man whom he knows he will never need to face, his dishonour with insults to others’ manhood, and his shameful promotion of the Yobit scam with criminal-minded dissimulation?

and stop quoting Nietzsche, there is not a single sentence in his writings that was designed for formless, anonymous cowards like you...

Rich words for one who handles Nietzsche with all the finesse of a teenager in a “God is dead” T-shirt.

Ignored,

’Tis an old rule of mine that those who don’t want me, don’t deserve me.  As a practical matter, that serves as a filter to save me from wasting time on my inferiors.

[eddie13]

Do not trust Vispilio’s philosophic opinions.  

 

You are really going to tag someone over an interpritation of a philosophical quote?
Red trust isn't some funny game..
http://archive.is/PqMfK

[Blacknavy]

Payments for this week have been sent. c72c4e7fe791afd048f6b30c481e7e32445140f22344dda3ccdb2fd3400c74ee

There will likely be a few spots open next week or the week after. LiveCoin blacklist will no longer apply, but I will blacklist anyone who used specifically the Yobit InvestBox X10 signature for this application round.

DarkStar said that there would likely be a few spots open next week. And then you were active only two days after this announcement, right?

This user recently woke up from a long period of inactivity.

Welcome ChipMixer GANGS

[nullius]

Do not trust Vispilio’s philosophic opinions. 

 

You are really going to tag someone over an interpritation of a philosophical quote?
Red trust isn't some funny game..

If you failed to perpend the active defence of the Yobit scam, the violent threat, etc., etc., etc., then “this is your opportunity to show some humility” by rereading—this time, with a dictionary.

Also fit for tagging is what I didn’t see fit to reiterate because I quoted it at length:  To suchmoon’s accusation that he is “unable to separate opinion from fact” in his own trust feedback, Vispilio replied that “everything is an opinion when it comes to moral judgement”.  And then, he backed that with a cherry-picked Nietzsche quote that he probably found on some Internet quote site.  He is untrustworthy.

Anyway, yes, I reserve the right to tag the hell out of idiots who abuse Nietzsche.  Please feel free to cherry-pick that somewhere out of context, per your usual habit.

http://archive.is/PqMfK
[Saved from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0 at 23 Jan 2020 06:26:08 UTC. — nullius]

Was that supposed to be some sort of a message?

If so, too bad that I beat you to it by an hour and twenty minutes:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200123050641/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0

Welcome ChipMixer GANGS

Hereto unstated local rule:  I will permit one clown post, if and only if it is so bizarrely stupid as to sufficiently amuse me.  This barely qualified; any more will be trashed.

[hacker1001101001]

Stop pretending others reputation threads as your ground to squabble for merits with your long walls of mostly one sided assumptions, as later after getting defended by others you try to use trust as an tool to show your anger. I would rather go with other side of the story and feel ditrusting you for using trust system to shit on others trust wall clearly because of your personal online grudge with the user would be an wiser move for the community.

[suchmoon]

the most influential local forum poster had a fake crusade built against him just so he can't get into Chipmixer

I'm a bit out of the loop on this one - who is "the most influential local forum poster"? You wouldn't be talking about yourself like that, would you?

[NeuroticFish]

I'm a bit out of the loop on this one - who is "the most influential local forum poster"? You wouldn't be talking about yourself like that, would you?

It's clearly related to the Turkish board drama.
You are lucky, you are already in the campaign, but the pressure building up and some got way too disappointed.
Of course, instead of trying to do better for the future, some are just digging their own grave.

[Foxpup]

I'm a bit out of the loop on this one - who is "the most influential local forum poster"? You wouldn't be talking about yourself like that, would you?

Maybe he's talking about wolwoo. He certainly seems very influential, in the same way that, say, the anti-vax movement is influential.

[DireWolfM14]

Moreover, this time with boldface added, re:

[...]

[...]

Your Middle Eastern ancestors would spit on your face if they knew you would stoop to dishonorable lies for a few dollars more,
and I promise you I would teach you a lesson that your ancestors would be proud of, if you were to try any of this duplicitous bullshit in person, Mr. DireHyena...

...and:

Nothing to do with retaliation, everything written there is the absolute truth, try it sometime, it might make a man out of you yet marlboroza... Good Luck

I'm not going to worry about two members' differing views on the works of Nietzsche, but I will touch on the two quotes listed above.

I think it was JollyGood who first suggested that the quote of Vispilio that's directed at me seemed like a threat, but I don't feel threatened.  Yeah, it comes off like Vispilio is being an internet-tough-guy, but it's not the first time I've seen people on the internet succumb the to illusion of being keyboard commandos.  I don't want to come off like I'm excusing Vispilio, but I believe I understand why he behaves the way he does.

I believe this attitude is a cultural phenomenon:  Being a first generation American from an Arab family I've noticed that when aggravated many Middle Easterners speak in hyperbolic terms and exaggerated anger.  It's something I've struggled with my whole life, and in all honesty I've found myself not immune.  I was always encouraged to say what I mean and mean what I say, and to also take the words of another as his bond.  Yet, I had to also learn when to ignore, or minimize the impact of that same person's words in other situations.  Of course the struggle is to distinguish between those situations.

Not unlike sarcasm, this type of hyperbolic rhetoric can be difficult to discern on the internet.  Again, this is not to excuse the behavior, which should be, and can easily be avoided, especially in writing.  It's merely an observation that I cared to share.

[nullius]

In addition to some replies to others that I have been collecting, I have intended to update this thread with reference to the following:

This topic is negative PR and defamation.

Everybody else already explained the obvious:  Why Vispilio is wrong.  You just hit the deeper implications.

A warning to business owners and managers:  Avoid Vispilio like plague.  He has hereby clearly demonstrated that if he does not get the deal he wants from you, then he will wage a defamatory public smear campaign screaming that you are “racist” (!), and demanding that theymos intervene in your private business affairs (!!).  If you are ever approached by Vispilio for a deal of any kind, please read what he himself says in this thread—and then decline all contact with him as firmly and cleanly as practicable, for your own protection!

I will be red-tagging Vispilio again for this reason, with this post as the reference.  I suggest that others do the same.  I will further consider tagging some of his supporters on this thread, for the same reason.

When time permits, I will update my active Reputation thread about Vispilio (q.v.) with appropriate quotes and cross-references.


ChipMixer does not deserve this.

DarkStar_ does not deserve this.

They are both good, honest people.  A despicable cretin is opportunistically exploiting the moment of a scandal which does not involve them, and attempting to drag them as innocent bystanders into a crossfire with his own addition of smear-job accusations against them.  Said cretin’s transparently malicious motive:  Revenge for not being given a business deal.  The whole situation is not only wrong:  It is sick and sickening.

Now, with the audacity to accuse me of his own sins, #982288 “Vispilio” left me negative trust feedback dated 2020-01-24 with my post condemning his financially motivated smear campaign against ChipMixer/DarkStar_ as the “Reference” link:

Trying to silence dissenting opinions in the forum by conducting financially damaging black propaganda operations.

The pure vitriol and bile in most of this "plague"-infested obvious alt account's msgs should remind admin of a master criminal he personally blacklisted from the Trust system about a year ago...

In the referenced post, as quoted above, I promised forthcoming negative feedback that I have not yet made due to time constraints.  (Those who read my posts may guess how much time it takes me to squeeze a summary of the issues into a length limit unknown to me, which seems to have been recently imposed.)  It is obvious that Vispilio’s negative feedback is a sort of advance retaliation to preempt my promised new red-tag, and not the inverse.

I will later update the referenced post accordingly, after collecting some other relevant evidence.  Of course, I will first archive the unedited original.

Thus Vispilio, a DT1 (for now), has chosen to up the ante by targeting me specifically for my calling him out on how he wages reputational warfare against innocent parties to get revenge out of petty spite, because they didn’t give him what he calls “lucrative bounties”.

Simple prudence suggests categorically avoiding Vispilio.  You don’t want for him to do to your business what he has insanely attempted to do to DarkStar_, ChipMixer, and their advertisers, whom Vispilio calls the “DT Chipmixer mafia”.

And inquiring minds must wonder, just how in the hell did this lunatic get into DT1, and why is he still there?

And... he is a merit source!?


Further replies to some others will be forthcoming when time permits.  I got held up writing a long, somewhat tangential essay on culture which I will very briefly abstract as follows:

DireWolfM14, without giving myself away too much, I myself am generally sort of a bit approximately Asiatic.  Thus, I may perhaps understand the use of rhetorical hyperbole and rhetorical understatement which may seem extreme to some others.  (I myself usually weave it into European satire, but not always; check my post history!)  And in a way incomprehensible to your white Western neighbours in Commiefornia, I also understand the visceral impact to anyone whose culture honours ancestors of Vispilio’s insult to you—or the soul-striking force when I say, “Vispilio, the disgrace of your dishonour so shames your forefathers of the past thousand years that they would rather have been made eunuchs than become your sire,—and makes a thousand years of your foremothers weep with sorrow that they ever impurified themselves by birthing the likes of you!”

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I would have used Charles Bukowski in my arguments

Having read some Bukowski, I find that statement hilarious.

I'm going to refrain from doing anything for the moment until the dust settles with this whole Yobit situation (and the Chipmixer/Turkish section one) and the drama surrounding it subsides.  I think Yobit is moving into straight-up scam territory with that X10 thing and I'm well aware of all the complaints about their exchange over the years, but so far I haven't heard anyone talking about how they lost money with the investbox function. 

And believe me, I see those guaranteed gains as a looking very much like a Ponzi scheme but I don't think you can lose the coins you put into the investbox.  Your coins might lose value, but that's true of any coin.  With true Ponzis, people end up losing everything they put in and like I said, so far I haven't seen that happening over at Yobit. 

So I'm not going to start tagging their signature campaign participants nor the Turkish members or anyone else who are defending Yobit--including Vispilio--even if they're getting more emotional than is probably healthy.  That might tend to escalate hostilities without having any real benefit in terms of preventing people from getting scammed.  I'm just going to watch and wait for now.

[AdolfinWolf]

I would have used Charles Bukowski in my arguments

Having read some Bukowski, I find that statement hilarious.

I'm going to refrain from doing anything for the moment until the dust settles with this whole Yobit situation (and the Chipmixer/Turkish section one) and the drama surrounding it subsides.  I think Yobit is moving into straight-up scam territory with that X10 thing and I'm well aware of all the complaints about their exchange over the years, but so far I haven't heard anyone talking about how they lost money with the investbox function.  

And believe me, I see those guaranteed gains as a looking very much like a Ponzi scheme but I don't think you can lose the coins you put into the investbox.  Your coins might lose value, but that's true of any coin.  With true Ponzis, people end up losing everything they put in and like I said, so far I haven't seen that happening over at Yobit.  

....

Literally  any coin (that of which i've seen) they held an IEO for and then afterwards put in the InvestBox has been dumped to 1 sat, or is currently being dumped to 1 sat (Pony token, which is on the ETH network? has been steadily decreasing over the last couple weeks.).

but I don't think you can lose the coins you put into the investbox.

So if any *regular* ponzi scheme gives you, instead of no money, 1 million tokens of PonziCoins, worth 0$, it suddenly would be a grey area? I disagree.

And actually, i'm fairly certain this argument can be refuted.
See these coins, https://yobit.net/en/trade/MOON/BTC & https://yobit.net/en/trade/URANIX/BTC
They are already delisted from yobit's main page (but for some reason, i guess legal reasons, still exists in the database and thus is accesible through a URL)
Can you withdraw them? Do they exist on a network somewhere? I don't think they actually do.

When you go to Yobit -> Wallets, it simply says the following:

Wallet status: Maintenance

And i don't think it has ever been different, so really, you don't have access to anything at all if you bought either of these two "tokens".

I feel conflicted.

I kind of wouldn't mind seeing these Yobit sig wearers be tagged for, obviously, promoting ponzi schemes, but on the other hand, we're talking about a pretty large group of people here, and while ignorance shouldn't be an excuse, there are probably a lot of people not understanding what they're (if not directly, indirectly) promoting.
(Although i almost have to puke looking at the yobit sig campaign thread. I feel most people should know and do know what they're advertising here.)

...and when with every tag there comes an accusation of racism along, well, I wouldn't want to deal with that either.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

When you go to Yobit -> Wallets, it simply says the following:

Wallet status: Maintenance

And i don't think it has ever been different, so really, you don't have access to anything at all.

Yep, I'm aware of that.  I made a comment about these shitcoins not being withdraw-able a while back--I think it was in reference to the ones that Yobit gives away for free.  However, you bring up a good point, namely that not everyone might realize that these are coins that Yobit will never let you move off their exchange.  I don't think everyone knows that.  The only reason I'm aware of it is because I have a whole bunch of those free coins from years back and you still can't withdraw them. 

I'm not defending Yobit, believe me.  I guess what I'm saying is that if you bought URANIX, YONE, or any of those other shitcoins that don't exist outside of Yobit, and you put them in the investbox, you'd be able to withdraw whatever you put in at any time--and that's unlike a true Ponzi scheme. 

And yes, I'm also aware that any of these pieces of crypto garbage are headed toward 1 sat.  Most of them already trade at that level anyway.  But again, now I keep thinking that there are probably newbies who don't realize this.  I'm keeping my mind open, although I'm getting more and more input that's telling me that Yobit's moving toward full scam mode.

[suchmoon]

I case you guys are not aware - the Yobit campaign is ending in a couple of days (I feel like I'm a spammer now, posting this across multiple threads) and even better - Yobit is promising to run the campaign on cryptotalk site so hopefully it will lure some shitposters from here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg53689288#msg53689288

[nullius]

Thus Vispilio, a DT1 (for now),

Whoops.  I suppose that people noticed he is untrustworthy!

it took less than 24 hours for me to drop from DT1, and my "trust rating" went from +8 or similar to -2...

Only -2?  Based on his behaviour, I suspect that Vispilio’s fall into the red abyss is just beginning.

Though, hmmm, does anybody care to take this up in Meta?

And... he is a merit source!?

I intend replies to some of the interesting posts here; but it will must needs wait.  I will be back.  Have a good weekend, folks.

[nullius]

I am sincerely puzzled.  Would somebody please help me figure out just what Vispilio was trollishly ranting about in my self-moderated Nietzsche thread, which explicitly bans “Vispilio and his cronies” as a local rule?  (Deleted.)

http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5374/53742228.html

I see this tiny dishonorable mosquito is still buzzing around, gossiping behind my back like an abandoned bitter spinster,

a full week after I obliterated his low skill, low intellect, completely inconsequential and above all dishonorably criminal existence on this forum:

a fair caution to all forum participants on why you should ~nullius immediately for the well being of this forum, and completely disregard any of this envious imbecile's inferiority-complex ridden, laughably twisted and corrupted babble on geniuses like Nietzsche, Dostoyevsky and my humble Self  :





this is the final warning I'm giving to nullius the abominable zombie frog, cease and desist your criminally motivated defamation activities against me, or the long arm of the law might deem it suddenly worth their while to extract even a totally irrelevant pariah pest like you...


ps. sincerely, check into rehab, and I hope you get much better.

I infer that this “humble genius” does not know how to turn on DT view, where I am still DT light-green +3 / =2 / -0 (DT view of profile), and Vispilio’s tags are still DT “untrusted feedback”.  And as he may not realize, Vispilio himself is still DT +0 / =1 / -3 (DT view of profile).  As of Loyce’s latest scrape:  “Vispilio (Trust: +0 / =1 / -3) (DT1 (-2)”

Having figured out that piece of the puzzle myself, my question for y’all is just why he imagines that “the long arm of the law” would be interested in this matter.  What crimes have I allegedly committed?  That actually makes me curious—and much moreso than the question of how he expects for his imaginary policemen to find a crypto-anarchist behind Tor.  (Easy guess:  Cryptanalysis using imaginary numbers!)

Any interesting theories?  This is not merely for the sake of amusement:  It is a scientifically fascinating case study in psychopathology; and moreover, I am curious to know just what idiotic reports some overworked policemen will be promptly roundfiling.  For indeed, based on my experience with net-abuse rough-and-tumble, I expect that Vispilio may actually try to report me to every police agency he can find.

I do suggest that he should report me to every police agency in the whole world, since he has no idea what country I am in.  I am nullius, of nobody, a nym in cypherspace; I am nowhere, I am everywhere, I am everybody!  And since the world revolves around Vispilio, I must hide where he least expects me.  Why, for all he knows, I could be secretly living in Turkey, just down the street from him—watching him.  For I may be a downfallen descendant of the last Ottoman Sultan, plotting to rebuild the Empire that is my birthright; Lauda and the DT Chipmixer mafia are all only my Janissaries, sent to oppress Vispilio and his comrades on the Bitcoin Forum.  Stupid Vispilio never considers that I may just be pretending that I am not Turkish, so as to better conceal my key rôle in the vast anti-Vispilio conspiracy.  Shh ses yapma...  Vispilio’ya Türk forumunda alt hesabım olduğunu söylemeyin sakın. ;-)

[martyMC]

I am sincerely puzzled.  Would somebody please help me figure out just what Vispilio was trollishly ranting about in my self-moderated Nietzsche thread, which explicitly bans “Vispilio and his cronies” as a local rule?  (Deleted.)

http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5374/53742228.html

I infer that this “humble genius” does not know how to turn on DT view, where I am still DT light-green +3 / =2 / -0 (DT view of profile), and Vispilio’s tags are still DT “untrusted feedback”.  And as he may not realize, Vispilio himself is still DT +0 / =1 / -3 (DT view of profile).  As of Loyce’s latest scrape:  “Vispilio (Trust: +0 / =1 / -3) (DT1 (-2)”

Having figured out that piece of the puzzle myself, my question for y’all is just why he imagines that “the long arm of the law” would be interested in this matter.  What crimes have I allegedly committed?  That actually makes me curious—and much moreso than the question of how he expects for his imaginary policemen to find a crypto-anarchist behind Tor.  (Easy guess:  Cryptanalysis using imaginary numbers!)

Any interesting theories?  This is not merely for the sake of amusement:  It is a scientifically fascinating case study in psychopathology; and moreover, I am curious to know just what idiotic reports some overworked policemen will be promptly roundfiling.  For indeed, based on my experience with net-abuse rough-and-tumble, I expect that Vispilio may actually try to report me to every police agency he can find.

I do suggest that he should report me to every police agency in the whole world, since he has no idea what country I am in.  I am nullius, of nobody, a nym in cypherspace; I am nowhere, I am everywhere, I am everybody!  And since the world revolves around Vispilio, I must hide where he least expects me.  Why, for all he knows, I could be secretly living in Turkey, just down the street from him—watching him.  For I may be a downfallen descendant of the last Ottoman Sultan, plotting to rebuild the Empire that is my birthright; Lauda and the DT Chipmixer mafia are all only my Janissaries, sent to oppress Vispilio and his comrades on the Bitcoin Forum.  Stupid Vispilio never considers that I may just be pretending that I am not Turkish, so as to better conceal my key rôle in the vast anti-Vispilio conspiracy.  Shh ses yapma...  Vispilio’ya Türk forumunda alt hesabım olduğunu söylemeyin sakın. ;-)

There are very few so called "crypto-anarchists" here, so everybody knows who you are.
You should use your real account and stop trolling now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg