YOBIT SCAM: x10 Banner Promoters Will Be Tagged For Promoting a Ponzi Scheme

[JollyGood]

YOBIT x10 Banner Promoters

You Will Be Tagged After 24 hours For Promoting a Ponzi Scheme

For the record, the following list of 12 members is from a post made by Loyce, it contains a list of those users who have made a post in the previous 7 days while promoting Yobit x10 in their signature and that is it. He has not endorsed this thread, I am using the information he provided of my own accord.

I have sent PMs to all of the users listed below asking them to remove their Yobit x10 signature promotion by replacing it with another banner of their choice otherwise they will tagged with negative red trust for promoting a ponzi scheme.

Please note, I could have just tagged them and then discussed their questions either via PMs or in a thread which would be created later to cover the debate but I am take a different approach by advising them what I will do and why so they have time to change their Yobit x10 banner beforehand.

For those wondering why I will tag just those displaying Yobit x10 banners and not tag those displaying any Yobit banner is because a debate is currently taking place about whether the whole of Yobit is a scam or not. Some members are expressing the view that because some aspects of any business seems to be legitimate it is unfair to call the whole business a scam. To some members the whole of a business and all aspects of it should be called a scam even if one part or product is a scam.

The more the debate proceeds the more it seems DT members have to start taking action in order to save this forum from any possible negative effects from the fallout that will ensue by being associated with Yobit. For me on a personal note, the desire to save any victims from getting their funds either stolen or scammed either in a ponzi or any other scheme design to entrap funds sent in by victims (which is based on some hideously worded small print contract) is a bigger issue so the Yobit x10 is the first to be targeted. The issue of whether to mass tag all those promoting Yobit banners will be stated here hopefully soon.

The driving factor for me is simply the desire to help save as many victims from falling it to the Yobit x10 scam. I will consider any and all posts made here by members

PLEASE NOTE - The following is not a threat, it is not extortion but it is a way reaching out to tell the members in question that I have not tagged them but will do so they should remove their Yobit x10 banner otherwise they will be tagged for promoting a ponzi and I will request other members to do the same. So here goes...

After 24 hours from the time this thread has started and the PMs sent, I will check the following users profiles. If any of them have signed in even once within the 24 hours but are continuing to display a Yobit x10 banner I will leave appropriate negative trust. For those that have not signed in and are not aware of the situation will unfortunately learn they have been tagged when they log in.

The following users (who posted in the past 7 days) have "X10" in their profile:
    1. Hero Member pajak666 (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    2. Legendary alyssa85 (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    3. Legendary iluvbitcoins (Trust: +21 / =2 / -0) (BPIP)
    4. Legendary MetalEngine (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    5. Legendary InvoKing (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    6. Legendary iv4n (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    7. Sr. Member Lecam (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    8. Sr. Member JC btc (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    9. Sr. Member yoseph (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
   10. Sr. Member Aikidoka (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
   11. Sr. Member Obito (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
   12. Sr. Member Bezobraznike (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)

Here is the PM that was sent seconds after this thread was created:


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Hello,

I hope you are well. I wanted to bring your attention to something very important that concerns you.

When you have time kindly read the following threads because Yobit has been discussed extensively (in them and in other threads) and because you are displaying a Yobit x10 banner in your signature I am sending this PM.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220208
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217581.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.0

All users displaying the Yobit x10 banner 24 hours after this PM is sent will be tagged with negative trust.

I hope you understand this PM is a courteous way to inform you of my next step and I will request other DT members to add their own negative trust (which they may or may not choose to add).

Unfortunately these steps are now needed to start bringing some protection for any potential victim that might fall in to the Yobit x10 scam. As of now no decision has been made on mass tagging members that display any other (non-x10) Yobit banner but it seems inevitable that they will be tagged very soon either by myself or other members so I kindly request you switch your banner as soon as possible. If any decision is made to mass tag all members that display Yobit banners those displaying them will be advised advising a tag with be forthcoming.

This identical message has been copied/pasted to the 12 users that have displayed the Yobit x10 banner within the previous 7 days.

Thank you

Kind Regards
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I ask all responsible DT members to take a solid stance against the Yobit x10 ponzi scheme and then come to a consensus regarding how to proceed with removing everything Yobit related from the forum (banners, promotions, ANN threads etc)


UPDATE 24th January 2020: 8 users removed their Yobit x10 banner (only 4 were tagged)
UPDATE 25th January 2020: 9 users removed their Yobit x10 banner (only 3 were tagged)
UPDATE 28th January 2020: 1 user feedback revised to neutral. This thread has been locked.
UPDATE 28th January 2020: This thread has been unlocked to further debate because user iluvbitcoins insisted on sending PMs to me
UPDATE 31st January 2020: This thread has been locked as no further debate is happening.

[TECSHARE]

~JollyGood

You are getting too big for your britches. This is not what the trust system is for.

It seems the community came to the general consensus that yobit is not too much of a scam for it to be advertised on the forum right?
I don't like that they were allowed to come back and advertise after being banned for it but the community allowed it..

"Oh well I guess CryptoTalk isn't really directly a scam though its parent Yobit facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh well I guess Yobit isn't directly a scam though it facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh noes!! X10 coin? That is almost definitely a scam so we can't advertise that!!  Better just go back to advertising only Yobit, who is a scam advertiser, but indirectly advertising scams is ok? Right guys?" -let them advertise

X10 coin is nothing new for Yobit.. They have been pushing similar "scams" for years since the ROM crap..

I wonder how many DT members are currently accepting payment from Yobit?

Is Yobit a scam or not?
Is advertising for Yobit advertising for a scam or not?
If it is, then why is it here advertising at all?

It's just too darn close to the edge for a clear consensus it seems..

Why can Vispillo be tagged for advertising a "scam" but all the other that do can not?
Because he posted that he thinks one of Yobit's products is a "scam" and therefore is knowingly advertising a "scam"?

So let me get this straight..
If I go find any posts from anyone currently being paid by Yobit, or has been paid by Yobit, who has previously stated that they think any of Yobit's products (past or present) are a "scam" prior to them accepting any form of payment for their advertisement, they should be red tagged?

But no red tags for anyone advertising Yobit as long as they have never themselves stated that they think any Yobit products are a "scam"?
What a situation in that it depends on the post history of all individual advertising users..

Their are probably plenty to be tagged on this basis.. How many even in DT I wonder?

How can this be made consistent one way or another?


Maybe if I go find a couple more examples of users advertising for yobit while having previously stated they think that any yobit product is/was a scam, then it can be decided to tag them all or tag none..
Sound fair?

The only problem is this kind of behavior only expands with this "ok we make it fair by being excessive with everyone". This is the kind of slow creep that takes away everyone's freedoms and ability to be left alone unless directly victimizing others. The kind of people who love running around searching for people to tag over this kind of stuff are salivating over an excuse to just do it for everyone thus retroactively justifying their behavior. Of course you know they will still make exceptions for their pals anyway, but now they have a whole heap of more people to lord over.

Is it a "scam" or just a predatory "high risk" investment offering? Where is the line?

Is X10 scam "or just predatory high risk investment offering"?

That is literally what he just asked you. The point being by what standard is this applied?

The only problem is this kind of behavior only expands with this "ok we make it fair by being excessive with everyone". This is the kind of slow creep that takes away everyone's freedoms and ability to be left alone unless directly victimizing others.

I'm not much of a supporter of giving up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, or in other words, protecting idiots at the expense of loosing valuable users over minor infractions that could possibly put some idiots at greater risk, but if that is what it is then atleast it should be done consistently..

This whole Yobit situation has become too fine of an obfuscated line..
One could definitely make the argument that any advertisement of any Yobit product is advertising a "scam", as in very "high risk" and even predatory "investments"/"scams?"..
On the other hand an argument could be made along the lines of "So what?".. If people are stupid enough to buy the crap then they are stupid and stupid is as stupid does..

The current situation is some sort of blurry line drifting around in the sea somewhere between both of those camps, with possible harsh punishment for tripping on it?

Stupid situation that wouldn't even exist if users didn't want that yobit dust so badly..
Seems you can get away with a lot more, and push the boundaries, as long as you throw around some coin..
Almost like a bribe.. What can you get away with as long as you are paying?

I wouldn't recommend Yobit as a very safe exchange or any of their investments as good investments, but I would use it to dump some coins or something and might recommend to use it to get in, do your business, and get out..
Also, no matter how terrible some coin or asset being traded is, if it has volatility, it can be flipped for a profit..

Teaching people that it is ok to advertise scam because it is not your business if someone can't recognize scam is scammy behavior itself.

Is it a "scam" or just a predatory "high risk" investment offering? Where is the line?

Small correction: Yobit's signature was never banned for being a scam, it was banned for spamming the forum.

Right..
After that it's surprising to me that it was welcomed back as it has been, especially considering its borderline scamminess.. But it pays right?


crazy-joe=off topic

The inconsistency is exactly the issue. This is why we need to err on the side of less interference than more. The same standards applied to call Yobit a scam could be applied to half of the altcoin section and more. For fuck sake crypto itself could be made illegal tomorrow. This is all risky. Additionally risky does not always equal scam. Then who gets to decide how it is applied? Unless the line is clear then all this is going to do is invite tons of abuse and endless drama, and for what? Will it stop any of this stuff at the end of the day? Absolutely not.

The integrity of the system as a whole is more important. There needs to be a standard of evidence of theft, violation of contract, or violation of local applicable laws, not just suspicion. The trust system acts as a penalty, as such it should be administered based on this observable evidence, not by how good an accuser is with their creative writing skills and creating plausible theories. This is the entire reason due process exists in law, otherwise the legal system is abused to arbitrarily harass and exploit people for fun and profit like in most 3rd world countries.

The trust system is designed to prevent long cons to a lesser extent account farming as a trade history makes farming accounts much more complicated as it takes a lot more work to fake. The system should not be used like a flack cannon to mass flag and tag people because all that will achieve is to teach people to find it common and ignore it as signal noise. Again beyond that, more importantly this assembly line tagging activity consistently drags otherwise unsuspecting people into endless bullshit and drama that drives away productive user base.

[Lauda]

I'll be joining you on this. Please bump the thread when you initiate.

[Bezobraznike]

   Is it official? I don't wish to get tagged!
   Do you really think that Yobit is a scam? Before I joined Yobit campaign I checked them, they seems solid! There are scam
accusations against Yobit, like every crypto-service has, nothing important! They are working for years, I use them for the last couple
months for buying some alt-coins I wish to have and I didn't have any problems with that or with withdrawing those alt-coins.
  

[examplens]

  Is it official? I don't wish to get tagged!
   Do you really think that Yobit is a scam? Before I joined Yobit campaign I checked them, they seems solid! There are scam
accusations against Yobit, like every crypto-service has, nothing important! They are working for years, I use them for the last couple
months for buying some alt-coins I wish to have and I didn't have any problems with that or with withdrawing those alt-coins.
  

Investbox on Yobit is 100% scam. People who click on your signature and if invest there they will certainly lose money.
If you insist to get some earnings from his signature, they have updated signature code something about Airdrop, maybe you can wear this code. I think @JollyGood means to stop the promotion of Investbox.

edit: Campaign will be finished 27.January. I must say it is great to finish this Yobit signature drama.

Dear Bitcointalk Users!

Current campaign will be finished on 27 Jan.

Next Sig Campaign will be on CryptoTalk.Org Forum, if you want to participate - please register there.

Thank you for all your work and posts!

[crazy-joe]

edit: Campaign will be finished 27.January. I must say it is great to finish this Yobit signature drama.

Dear Bitcointalk Users!

Current campaign will be finished on 27 Jan.

Next Sig Campaign will be on CryptoTalk.Org Forum, if you want to participate - please register there.

Thank you for all your work and posts!

Haters won

[hulla]

edit: Campaign will be finished 27.January. I must say it is great to finish this Yobit signature drama.

Dear Bitcointalk Users!

Current campaign will be finished on 27 Jan.

Next Sig Campaign will be on CryptoTalk.Org Forum, if you want to participate - please register there.

Thank you for all your work and posts!

Haters won

This is clearly not haters won kind of a thing but trying to clean the forum the newbies and inexperience crypto sake.
Mind you, everything that have a beginning must certainly but yobit mission was glaring right from the start of their campaign

[blurryeyed]

The following users (who posted in the past 7 days) have "X10" in their profile:
    1. Hero Member pajak666 (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    2. Legendary alyssa85 (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    3. Legendary iluvbitcoins (Trust: +21 / =2 / -0) (BPIP)
    4. Legendary MetalEngine (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    5. Legendary InvoKing (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    6. Legendary iv4n (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    7. Sr. Member Lecam (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    8. Sr. Member JC btc (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
    9. Sr. Member yoseph (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
   10. Sr. Member Aikidoka (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
   11. Sr. Member Obito (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)
   12. Sr. Member Bezobraznike (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)

Thanks for this, there were a few on that list I had missed - that has now been rectified.

[JollyGood]

The 24 hours given as a courtesy are up, the following users did not change their Yobit x10 signatures therefore have been tagged for promoting a ponzi scheme:

~snip~

Legendary alyssa85 (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)

Legendary iluvbitcoins (Trust: +21 / =2 / -0) (BPIP)

Sr. Member JC btc (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)

Sr. Member Obito (Trust: neutral) (BPIP)

UPDATE: 25th January 2020 (Obito has had the tag removed as was not aware of the kind courteous request to remove the Yobit x10 banner. Thank you Obito for removing it)

[Bezobraznike]

  It's not fair! You tag people just because you think that Yobit is a scam, but you
don't have any argument or proof for that.
   Their campaign is ending in 3 days, I don't see a need for this bullying.

[logfiles]

  It's not fair! You tag people just because you think that Yobit is a scam, but you
don't have any argument or proof for that.
   Their campaign is ending in 3 days, I don't see a need for this bullying.

He is not "thinking" that it's scam... the X10 model being advertised is actually scam as people who invested from the time it was advertise are already in losses by now.

You should probably take you time read threads created against that new yobit promotion instead of blindly defending them. Some members even took time to make calculations that show loses to investors.

[Bezobraznike]

  It's not fair! You tag people just because you think that Yobit is a scam, but you
don't have any argument or proof for that.
   Their campaign is ending in 3 days, I don't see a need for this bullying.

He is not "thinking" that it's scam... the X10 model being advertised is actually scam as people who invested from the time it was advertise are already in losses by now.

You should probably take you time read threads created against that new yobit promotion instead of blindly defending them. Some members even took time to make calculations that show loses to investors.

    What? You are telling me that someone made some calculations that investor's are losing money, but there's no
complaints from investors? Can you show me that calculations and complaints from investors who lost money?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

   What? You are telling me that someone made some calculations that investor's are losing money, but there's no
complaints from investors? Can you show me that calculations and complaints from investors who lost money?

Actually I was wondering kind of the same thing--I thought I'd read most, if not all, of the recent threads dealing with Yobit and I don't recall anyone giving that kind of evidence.  Could be that I missed it, so if someone can point to the thread where the calculations were done I'd greatly appreciate it.  

Glad to see the campaign ending, by the way.  Hopefully the drama surrounding it will die down fairly quickly.

Edit:  Oh wow, I did miss all of those posts, thank you JollyGood.

[figmentofmyass]

is this characterization as a ponzi based on the idea that the promised returns are unrealistic?

i took a closer look at the "investbox". coins like DOGE and BTC yield very low interest like 0.1%. it's only the fake coins printed by yobit (like X10) that are paid HYIP-like returns. this leads me to believe that it's not really a ponzi per se because yobit can just keep printing fake coins to satisfy their investment obligations. it's actually an interesting loophole that sort of makes it not technically a scam.

they are basically promising people useless monopoly money, and they are following through on that promise. they are definitely fleecing greater fools, but then again, so is ripple labs---they printed the XRP supply out of thin air, took possession of most of it, and they just endlessly dump it all on greater fool investors. that's basically what yobit is doing: inventing fake coins, printing them at insane inflation rates to ("honorably") pay out HYIP rates, and letting greed take its course.

my point is this: the above scheme is a weak basis for red tagging advertisers. if you want to go after yobit, it should be because of their established practice of permanently keeping wallets in "maintenance", which effectively steals coins from their customers. this is a well known practice and its been happening for years.

the problem, of course, is that declaring yobit itself a scam makes your plan in the OP inconsistent. the negative tags (which IMO are overkill but we can table that discussion) should apply to all their advertisers, not just a small handful.

[JollyGood]

I cannot find the specific posts logfiles referred to but these are an indicator of what the Yobit x10 is, hopefully the information in just 3 links will suffice:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217581.msg53670926#msg53670926
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217581.msg53650350#msg53650350
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217581.msg53684110#msg53684110

    What? You are telling me that someone made some calculations that investor's are losing money, but there's no
complaints from investors? Can you show me that calculations and complaints from investors who lost money?

Actually I was wondering kind of the same thing--I thought I'd read most, if not all, of the recent threads dealing with Yobit and I don't recall anyone giving that kind of evidence.  Could be that I missed it, so if someone can point to the thread where the calculations were done I'd greatly appreciate it. 

Glad to see the campaign ending, by the way.  Hopefully the drama surrounding it will die down fairly quickly.

[Bezobraznike]

    What? You are telling me that someone made some calculations that investor's are losing money, but there's no
complaints from investors? Can you show me that calculations and complaints from investors who lost money?

Actually I was wondering kind of the same thing--I thought I'd read most, if not all, of the recent threads dealing with Yobit and I don't recall anyone giving that kind of evidence.  Could be that I missed it, so if someone can point to the thread where the calculations were done I'd greatly appreciate it. 

Glad to see the campaign ending, by the way.  Hopefully the drama surrounding it will die down fairly quickly.

   It's just a campaign, but can you explain me where this hate comes from? Can you
explain me why I am punished for?
   I never had any reason to think that Yobit is a scam, I still don't have. I did some
research, but I'm not an expert, I read what others wrote, I compare that and I make
conclusions. I checked the history of Yobit on this forum and I didn't see anything important. This exchange operates longer than I know for crypto-currencies.
   Bullies should be banned from this forum.

[JollyGood]

the problem, of course, is that declaring yobit itself a scam makes your plan in the OP inconsistent. the negative tags (which IMO are overkill but we can table that discussion) should apply to all their advertisers, not just a small handful.

Thank you bringing that up figmentofmyass.

What you mention deserves a definitive answer even though the justification for not tagging all Yobit promoters has been mentioned in many places.

Therefore making true on my word and providing an update much sooner than anticipated I can say that I was on the verge of starting to tag all users that display any Yobit banner (providing they received kind courteous requests to remove the banner) and the debate was going to continue about what other DT members would do but thankfully Yobit will end their campaign in this forum on 27th January 2020 so tagging other users will not be of relevance now.

The issue of whether to mass tag all those promoting Yobit banners will be stated here hopefully soon.

The driving factor for me is simply the desire to help save as many victims from falling it to the Yobit x10 scam. I will consider any and all posts made here by members

[TECSHARE]

the problem, of course, is that declaring yobit itself a scam makes your plan in the OP inconsistent. the negative tags (which IMO are overkill but we can table that discussion) should apply to all their advertisers, not just a small handful.

Thank you bringing that up figmentofmyass.

What you mention deserves a definitive answer even though the justification for not tagging all Yobit promoters has been mentioned in many places.

Therefore making true on my word and providing an update much sooner than anticipated I can say that I was on the verge of starting to tag all users that display any Yobit banner (providing they received kind courteous requests to remove the banner) and the debate was going to continue about what other DT members would do but thankfully Yobit will end their campaign in this forum on 27th January 2020 so tagging other users will not be of relevance now.

The issue of whether to mass tag all those promoting Yobit banners will be stated here hopefully soon.

The driving factor for me is simply the desire to help save as many victims from falling it to the Yobit x10 scam. I will consider any and all posts made here by members

"courteous requests"

I.E. do what we tell you "or else". Sounds legit.

[Bezobraznike]

I cannot find the specific posts logfiles referred to but these are an indicator of what the Yobit x10 is, hopefully the information in just 3 links will suffice:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217581.msg53670926#msg53670926
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217581.msg53650350#msg53650350
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217581.msg53684110#msg53684110

    Again your topic, but still you didn't convince me in anything. Coins that go up
and down same as other crypto-currencies, some rules and requirements for
people who wish to use Yobit invest box. Every service has some requirements,
you can't say something is a scam just because you don't like it.
  
   And how fair are you? I asked is it official? You didn't provide an answer but your
friend hurried to tag my account. Shame on both of you!

[TryNinja]

   Again your topic, but still you didn't convince me in anything. Coins that go up
and down same as other crypto-currencies, some rules and requirements for
people who wish to use Yobit invest box. Every service has some requirements,
you can't say something is a scam just because you don't like it.
  
   And how fair are you? I asked is it official? You didn't provide an answer but your
friend hurried to tag my account. Shame on both of you!

There is nothing wrong about tagging someone for promoting a service that promises 10% profit a day and its based on a fictionary token. This isn’t a court of law. You are free to disagree just like he is free to think these users deserve a tag. If you or other users disagree, they aree free to ~ him on your trust list, but he doesn’t need to act only when there is an 100% undoubtable scam.