Don't you guys think it's time for LN to have it's own (sub)section now?

[TheBeardedBaby]

I see only positive outcome from a new Lightning Network (sub)section in the forum (or maybe Layer 2 Protocols section to include the others like Liquid as well) you can call it also Off-chain section.
This seems to be the future for small and instant payments, and now it's a good time to move all the new projects using LN or other L2P to it's own place.

What you guys think?

Edit: There is another earlier request from DaveF for such board.

And one before that from BitCryptex

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[mole0815]

i think it's a very good idea
the question is whether a subforum should be set up or whether a meaningful structure should be considered to classify the threads.
but as a first step a simple separation would not be a mistake. the threads will be more and more in the future.

[darosior]

Where would you place it ? Because most of the `Bitcoin >` subsections can arguably be `Lightning >` subsections too (Development, discussion, technical support, projects, etc..). And since LN is part of Bitcoin I'm not sure about making the distinction.

However I'm in favor of having another place to discuss all-things-lightning than https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158920.0 which keeps growing  

[DaveF]

I actually posted about this before back in December:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209227

So yeah, you got my vote for it.
There are many threads that go in many different directions because there are so many topics within the LN to discuss it's easy to get sidetracked.

Having them all in one section where it's no big deal to post another thread and not worry about it getting buried would be great.

-Dave

[hugeblack]

I think the reason for adding a new section is that there is enough posts/topics  to create it.
There are not many topics related to the lightning network and therefore I do not think it necessary to establish that board. Maybe later there may be enough posts.

The best place is beginners & help and technical boards.

[Rath_]

Actually, I requested the Lightning Network board back in June 2019. Obviously, I still support this idea. Most of the LN related discussion is currently being held in my FAQ thread which makes it hard to find useful information for people who don't check it every time someone posts in it. 'Off-chain' or 'Layer 2' board would be great to have.

[Upgrade00]

And since LN is part of Bitcoin I'm not sure about making the distinction.

Lightning network is technically not a part of Bitcoin, it is an off-chain transaction model that can support blockchain-based cryptocurrency. It has been heavily linked with bitcoin, but the Bitcoin network can function without it (and so for a long while, considering the LN whitepaper was releases in 2015) and also the LN can be operated on other blockchains apart from that of Bitcoin.

LN is an emerging network and could be the solution to the scalability problem of Bitcoin, and it's discussion would become more relevant on the forum, it would be a good idea to have a specific board for such discussions, and I also like the idea of making an off chain section, as this could encourage more research and possibly better solutions.

[LoyceV]

I actually posted about this before back in December:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209227

Actually, I requested the Lightning Network board back in June 2019.

Thanks, you guys make it so easy to quote myself:

I like it! Assuming LN keeps growing, it'll need it's own board at some point in the future anyway.
Bitcointalk currently is far from the best source for information about LN, I'd like to (help) change that.

It should have a moderator though, a few users seem to dislike LN and want to post that in many different threads. If this could be centralized in one thread on the LN board that would keep threads like the FAQ clean.

Or perhaps a Layer 2 board, for threads about Lightning, Liquid sidechain, Statechains and whatever else is coming.

Multiple child boards could work.

Despite repeating another topic, I want to voice my opinion: yes please I like LN, and I have high hopes for the future and I expect it to need a separate board at some point anyway, so we can just as well get it now.

Or, as suggested in the other thread on the same subject: a dedicated board for all layer 2 solutions.

[malevolent]

However I'm in favor of having another place to discuss all-things-lightning than https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158920.0 which keeps growing  

It grows at a rate of ~1 post per day. 

Right now at least with LN topics being found in several different boards more people can be exposed to it. If all of these topics are to be corralled into one place, mostly only those who know what they're looking for will learn of the section and visit it, especially if it was to be a child-board of Dev & Tech.

edit: if it's common for newcomers to closely look through all boards and child-boards (at least those seen on the front page), then perhaps an opposite case could be made.

[Trofo]

It would be beneficial to have all Lighting related stuff in one section. Few months ago when I started doing a bit more research into lighting I turned to google since browsing the forum was rather unsatisfying.

If it was up to me I would call it "Layer 2 Protocols" as mentioned in the OP since it allows inclusion of other solutions, probably even some that don't exists today.

[TMAN]

Yes.. come on @theymos make it happen dude. If we have subs for shitcoins and fucking pajeet bounties then the least you can do is set one up for LN.. come on dude what’s more important for bitcoin LN or pajeets earning $0.001 for sharing a tweet to 8 followers?

[GazetaBitcoin]

I totally sustain the idea of having a separate board for LN; furthermore, not just LN, but also other Layer 2 Protocols. So this should include, but not be limited to, Liquid, Rootstock, Drivechain or Elements.

It grows at a rate of ~1 post per day. 

Regarding the board now: in Romania we have a saying - the smart one builds in the summer a sleigh and in the winter a carriage. What I mean is that if a special board would be created, this sholdn't be addressed (named) only to LN. Other solutions exist or are proposed already; some may become a real product; besides, in the future others will rise.

Regarding the place of the new board, I would suggest to be placed inside Bitcoin Discussion, and not inside Dev & Tech. Most of newbies and many others don't visit that section, considering it too technical. But Bitcoin Discussion is way more frequented.

[Timelord2o67]

I'm in. I've had a Lightning Network link in my signature for a few weeks/months now with my experimental LN lending thread and more recently a lender's discussion thread. You're welcome to check them out & I'm not adverse to reopening the lending thread if there's a genuine increase in people wanting to test out the various wallets (Blue seems to be out in front unless Éclair fixes some inherent issues)

[Kuffy]

A lot of people seem to think that it is the blockchain that gives Bitoin its value, but it is the developed Bitcoin economy that give it security and value.The miners nodes and wallet holders provide security and basic use,but real growth id coming from the associated services such as brokers, exchanges, and derivatives traders. The 10 minute block generation average time will stop Bitcoin itself becoming a volume payment service in the global markets,but the centralised side chains lile Lightning can provide this service. I believe they are essential for Bitcoins growth in the future, and therefore it would be useful to have a discussion board for them. Not just for Lightning,but for all of the side chains. It could be a child board for Bitcoin discussion.

[Rath_]

[...]but the centralised side chains lile Lightning[...]

The Lightning Network is not centralized. You're probably worried about large hubs overtaking the majority of the network in the future. I am not going to discuss it here further. There's already a long, separate thread which covers this topic (and a lot of other things ).

[Kuffy]

The Lightning Network is not centralized.

My bad - I'm such a long term believer in Bitcoin that I haven't been able to bring myself to spend any yet.

Centralised or not, I still think it would be useful to have a board to discuss these fast payment side chains, I know I need to find out how to accept payments through Lightning.

[LoyceV]

Centralised or not

That's the beauty of it: a centralized payment provider can offer centralized LN payments, but they're compatible with anyone who runs his own node at home.

I still think it would be useful to have a board to discuss these fast payment side chains

Definitely!

I know I need to find out how to accept payments through Lightning.

The information is now scattered all over the forum. Easy solution: install a custodial wallet (BlueWallet, Wallet of Satoshi). Slightly less easy solution: install a wallet that lets you open a channel (Eclair). Full learning curve: install your own node.

[GazetaBitcoin]

As far as I see, all people involved in this topic agreed on the necessity of such board. What is needed to have it (to convince theymos)?

[TheBeardedBaby]

As far as I see, all people involved in this topic agreed on the necessity of such board. What is needed to have it (to convince theymos)?

Theymos has his own vision so something like this to happen, we need really to convince him that is the best for us and the forum and won't cause any problems for thme newbies. I've seen this before in another cases.

I already can point out the mod for the section - BitCryptex if he agrees of course

[Timelord2o67]

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My Zap and Eclair wallets can't connect to any addresses ending in "onion" so there is actual two halves of the LN with probably a small number of connections between the two.

Maps already have clusters of bigger nodes, so it'd look something like that perhaps with a few strands trailing off to yet more clusters.