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July 27, 2014, 04:50:17 PM
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Good criticism is necessary to advancement.
Without FUD, we'd have none of any Crypto Currency

It was the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt that the Central Banks have all our best interests in mind all the time (this is of course what we are told in our government accredited schooling), that FUD gave us what we are discussing.

There are some excellent problem identifiers, and excellent problem fixers here, usually not the same person.  When you get someone who is both, they tend to be very very busy.
Thank you to BCX for the attention devoted to the issues.

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July 27, 2014, 06:01:29 PM
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I swear i would love to punch out the pricks that invented the internet meme term FUD and Troll Roll Eyes


Agree to the fullest extent.

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Monero is just the P&D of the week/month (not sure yet.)

A few things concerned me about how the transactions are mixed.

So A sends money to C, but it used ABC & D to send to C.  Seems like a good way for B & D to get in the middle of some shit they really don't want to be involved with... right? (or at least along those lines)

It would be horribly embarrassing for the FBI to come talk to you/family/friends about a kiddie porn payment when you were just holding a crypto-note.

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July 27, 2014, 06:12:56 PM
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if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.

shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.

they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM

convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.

Get rid of coinmarketcrap, or only create a place for 20 coins.

ya got a point.

coinmarketcrap gives legitimacy to turdcoins. it even makes it seems like trading turds on shitexchanges makes you into some sort of investor.

the whole thing is fucked when you think about.

some days i feel like a lot of the people in crypto are small childen dressed up in adult clothing and play acting at business.

its hard to believe that real game changing tech is going to emerge from this shithole.

but  it is possible and i keep believing.

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July 27, 2014, 06:35:57 PM
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Monero is just the P&D of the week/month (not sure yet.)

A few things concerned me about how the transactions are mixed.

So A sends money to C, but it used ABC & D to send to C.  Seems like a good way for B & D to get in the middle of some shit they really don't want to be involved with... right? (or at least along those lines)

It would be horribly embarrassing for the FBI to come talk to you/family/friends about a kiddie porn payment when you were just holding a crypto-note.

That's not how ring signatures work.

In order for the FBI to come talk to the other parties in the ring group, they would need to completely compromise all parties. This is, of course, unlikely to the point of being impossible.

An analogy is like you being at a coffee shop using the wifi, along with a bunch of other people. Someone in the group does something illegal, and the FBI find out about it. They know there was a group of people, and that it was one of the group, and that's it. They have no video camera footage they can use to identify the participants, just the knowledge of the number of participants.

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Monero is just the P&D of the week/month (not sure yet.)

A few things concerned me about how the transactions are mixed.

So A sends money to C, but it used ABC & D to send to C.  Seems like a good way for B & D to get in the middle of some shit they really don't want to be involved with... right? (or at least along those lines)

It would be horribly embarrassing for the FBI to come talk to you/family/friends about a kiddie porn payment when you were just holding a crypto-note.

That's not how ring signatures work.

In order for the FBI to come talk to the other parties in the ring group, they would need to completely compromise all parties. This is, of course, unlikely to the point of being impossible.

An analogy is like you being at a coffee shop using the wifi, along with a bunch of other people. Someone in the group does something illegal, and the FBI find out about it. They know there was a group of people, and that it was one of the group, and that's it. They have no video camera footage they can use to identify the participants, just the knowledge of the number of participants.

I'll try to find the image that was presented to me with arrows and I'll edit this post to respond to you.

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What if two of the individuals are involved and paying each other for kiddie porn... wouldn't the FBI just say fuck all this mixing noise and just talk to everyone?

Do the people on that list know that they are involved with each other or is it just the system?

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July 27, 2014, 07:35:35 PM
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An end note from a reformed former political junkie: if you can sell Monero to big corporations on that basis, you will have influential "friends in court" to fend off any Drug-War-style crackdown on anonymous currencies by TPTB. Of course, that means you gotta schmooze them - perhaps through hitting it off with their kids...
Its easier than you might think.  They want it already and are just waiting for the solution.
Multinational Corporations have come to me looking to answer this problem.  Some are already doing it.  
Monero is still too immature, not enough liquidity yet, and the MNC decision cycles are not short, but if CryptoNote continues on the current path, it is the best contender yet for new entrants from that constituency.

Most likely it's easier than I think because I'm stuck in my parents' basement.  Cheesy

But thanks for your dispatch from the outside world: we need more of them. There's so much 'FckBks' lingo around here, and so easy to get sucked into it, we-all need first-person heads-up reports like yours from time to time. Again, thanks for it.

If you don't mind me asking, how did you get around the PR-unfriendly cloud that's hanging over Bitcoin right now?






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July 27, 2014, 07:46:48 PM
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if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.
shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.
they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM
convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.

You're joking right ?
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July 27, 2014, 07:57:55 PM
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coinmarketcrap gives legitimacy to turdcoins. it even makes it seems like trading turds on shitexchanges makes you into some sort of investor.

the whole thing is fucked when you think about.

some days i feel like a lot of the people in crypto are small childen dressed up in adult clothing and play acting at business.

For all we know, some of them may be children. No minimum commissions. In fact, were I a precocious child today - the kind of precocious child I was in the days before I hit puberty - I would have probably scraped up $100, bought BTC at LocalBitcoins and started to play around in the exchanges. Assuming, of course, that I had heard about them...

I would not be surprised to learn that some of 'em are teenagers...


its hard to believe that real game changing tech is going to emerge from this shithole.

but  it is possible and i keep believing.

Keep believing. I wasn't on the inherent in its formative days, but from what I've bee able to find out...the early Internet was also a 'shithole' to the point where, in these tighter-arsed times, many would have considered it ghastly.






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July 27, 2014, 08:40:53 PM
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What if two of the individuals are involved and paying each other for kiddie porn... wouldn't the FBI just say fuck all this mixing noise and just talk to everyone?

Do the people on that list know that they are involved with each other or is it just the system?

That image is a follow-on to the CryptoNote whitepaper, so it uses the same parlance. This is not "mixing" in the Bitcoin or CoinJoin sense - everyone is well aware that any approach that has the term "mixing", "nodes", or "CoinJoin" is fundamentally broken.

The bottom line is that knowing that there was 1 of 5 people involved in a transaction still won't help the FBI figure out who those 5 people were (even assuming they have locked up your drug dealer and have access to his wallet).

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July 27, 2014, 08:55:29 PM
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What if two of the individuals are involved and paying each other for kiddie porn... wouldn't the FBI just say fuck all this mixing noise and just talk to everyone?

Do the people on that list know that they are involved with each other or is it just the system?

That image is just an illustration that uses the common practice in cryptography of attaching alphabetical pseudonyms to the participants. The participants there are just transaction outputs on the network. In reality none of these outputs on the network have names attached to them, and it is extremely difficult to attach such names because the entire network is protected by unlinkability (hard to tell that any two transactions are to the same person) and blockchain analysis resistance (hard to determine various relationships between participants that might facilitate such identification using the sorts of techniques that have worked for Bitcoin).

Or to put it another way, the problem with talking to Alice, Bob, Carol, and Dave is that in order to even identify each of those people before you talk to them, you need to go and talk to a bunch of other people, and likewise each of those people is difficult to identify for the same reasons. That rapidly becomes combinatorially prohibitive.

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July 27, 2014, 09:04:29 PM
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if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.
shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.
they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM
convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.

You're joking right ?


heck no dude.

people quit buying shitcoins and the shitdevs leave.

they are only coming back because people are literally handing them more money than they have ever seen in their lives.

educate people to stop buying new coins.

its already happening.

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July 27, 2014, 09:15:59 PM
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if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.
shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.
they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM
convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.

You're joking right ?


heck no dude.

people quit buying shitcoins and the shitdevs leave.

they are only coming back because people are literally handing them more money than they have ever seen in their lives.

educate people to stop buying new coins.

its already happening.

It is happening and it will happen, but learning on social scales takes time.

As in generations. Eventually people will learn that rain dances don't really work and you are better off with weather satellites, irrigation, etc.

Some are impatient. They want the everyone in the world to figure everything out instantly. Won't happen. Shitcoins will be with us for sometime to come, and only the passage of time and long, repeated experience will ever end it.  There will not be successful operation shitcoin cleanout, ever. Being a control freak rarely leads to actual control.



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July 28, 2014, 02:26:22 AM
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if we want to get rid of shitcoins we need to eliminate shitpeople.

shitpeople are the ones making the shitcoins.

they created the shitblizzard and its fault the winds of shit are blowing in their direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srq_MbsUTuM

convince people to stop buying the shitcoins and the shitdevs will leave.

Get rid of coinmarketcrap, or only create a place for 20 coins.

ya got a point.

coinmarketcrap gives legitimacy to turdcoins. it even makes it seems like trading turds on shitexchanges makes you into some sort of investor.

the whole thing is fucked when you think about.

some days i feel like a lot of the people in crypto are small childen dressed up in adult clothing and play acting at business.

its hard to believe that real game changing tech is going to emerge from this shithole.

but  it is possible and i keep believing.

I had to harass the hell out of the guy who runs that site for a LOOOOOOONG time to fix his site !
over and over i would pop up and put it on him.. and that was he had his site setup in scammy way..
time after time he would ignore me and fanboys would attack me and they would carry on their little scams tightly integrated with CoinMarketCrap

i stopped going to that site in like maybe AUG 2013 roughly i think.

I have concrete proof that there was scam scheme being pulled with coinmarket cap and the fake market cap data's
and there was a guy selling trader tips with insider knowledge for a fee !
this guy selling the TIP had insider knowledge far in advance of a coin being added to coinmarketcap and he knew almost guaranteed
that it meant this new coin being added was going to end up being added at the TOP 5 position causing a HUGE uproar and surge in popularity from out of no where !
i was like the only guy who got the tip.. when he tried to sell it no one would bite pretty much. BUT !

he PM'd me the trade tip in full !

and had i exploited the trade tip myself i would be rich right now.. in a way i am kind bummed i didn't LOL
Basically before AUR went on any exchanges and was selling for almost nothing the guy pm's me it was going on coinmarketcap
and that it would be on the top by market cap.. he was right that is exactly what happened like 2 weeks later or longer i forget..
and we all know that was a key factor why AUR exploded up to around $15 to $20 a coin !
I could have been rich ! Sad
But, i refused to get involved in the scam.. i have my limits lol
so..
Before and after that i kept harassing the guy who ran the site and i asked him.. how did that guy selling the tip know this weeks in advance guaranteed ?
If this was all regulated like the US stock exchanges all those guys would be doing hard time right now.
I kept telling the guy you think it's fair for a coin to have a 90% premine and have the premine used as market cap data ?
argue.. or ignore.. troll me.. call me a troll.. fight me etc etc over and over
and guess what ?

they NOW use modified data exactly like i pointed out (last i checked) denoting premined coins..
but i had to fight them by myself stretching from 2013 into 2014 to get them to do that or they would STILL be scamming people !
so ohh yeaaah screw that dumb scammy site lol

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July 28, 2014, 02:32:48 AM
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OUR new target i think is URO

for info check out this topic.. (warning: it will hurt your eyes)
URO scam topic

I think that one is more deserving than harping on Monero lol

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July 28, 2014, 02:53:01 AM
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I myself was a darkcoin fanatic. I deeply despised altcoins that were threatening to darkcoin. I know, that many current fanboys for other coins, feel threatened by monero., as I did. That's probably why they messaged BCX about monero. However, I am not like them, I still keep up darkcoin and still hold a very sizable amount, I've also looked into every other altcoin proposing anonymity. I truthfully, have to say, that out of all the anon coins out there, Monero beats them all, in design, features, and development team.
Monero is just hype. It's not going anywhere without the right people from here, which are not on board.

ya man. u need the 'right people' to be 'on board' or u can't succeed.

seriously. monero is the target for operation shitcoin cleanout and cleanup.

thats a strong buy signal.

Actually it doesnt seem to be a target as far i can understand.

okay. because these guys have done a terrible job of cleaning out shitcoins. since this thread launched the number of shitcoins has blossommed into the hundreds if not thousands.

Ok, I'm not agreeing with everything above.  But what has operation shitcoin cleanout accomplished?  This poster has a point about there being more shitcoins than ever.  Which ones have been stopped by this operation?
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July 28, 2014, 03:17:24 AM
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OUR new target i think is URO

for info check out this topic.. (warning: it will hurt your eyes)
URO scam topic

I think that one is more deserving than harping on Monero lol

Monero isn't a scam though. anyone who thinks it is is smoking some crack-laced bath salts.

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July 28, 2014, 03:25:12 AM
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Ok, I'm not agreeing with everything above.  But what has operation shitcoin cleanout accomplished?  This poster has a point about there being more shitcoins than ever.  Which ones have been stopped by this operation?

Did you really expect this group to slow the tide of alts being released? I'm not even sure it was the OP's intention -- aside from killing the coins competing with his. Most of the coins listed on various shitcoin killing lists here died of natural causes, which was to be expected. The marketplace takes care of most shitcoins, without any outside influence.

I guess indirectly this group helped influence the gravity well fix put in on AUR, although of course it was primarily due to BCX. And AUR in turn died due to the inherent flaws with the airdrop model.


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July 28, 2014, 03:25:57 AM
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OUR new target i think is URO

for info check out this topic.. (warning: it will hurt your eyes)
URO scam topic

I think that one is more deserving than harping on Monero lol

Monero isn't a scam though. anyone who thinks it is is smoking some crack-laced bath salts.

ya well i have no proof it's a scam the closest thing i could maybe come up with is bad bag holder behavior bumping advertising topics
which led to recent discussions about it i think..

so my point was lets focus on something more deserving of scrutiny lol
such as URO maybe ?
or not LOL
that one topic is such a mess we don't need another topic like that one hahahha

ok here is a random scam coin we can check out and go after guys..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687349.msg8029732#msg8029732
rugrats said on that link..
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A few hours ago, Bittrex suspended trading for ELITE, a new alt coin with a 20k supply cap released by a brand new dev account.

Reason?

"balance" : 22342.69416214,
    "newmint" : 0.00000000,
    "stake" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 4427,
    "timeoffset" : -7,
    "moneysupply" : 94868.97591348,

That's an effective premine rate of 2,100%.

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July 28, 2014, 04:20:20 AM
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What about MsCollec and the SYNC, VOOT and Visacoin scams ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=621429.msg7673266#msg7673266

Cryptsy is not the only exchange looking the other way with some of its coins. Here is the response I got from Poloniex regarding SYNC's anomolies and red flags.




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July 28, 2014, 04:23:13 AM
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What about MsCollec and the SYNC, VOOT and Visacoin scams ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=621429.msg7673266#msg7673266

Cryptsy is not the only exchange looking the other way with some of its coins. Here is the response I got from Poloniex regarding SYNC's anomolies and red flags.





That BigBaller1 is ownsley (aka Haightst https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154345)

I have tons of his alts market on my trust page (as negative.)

InstantCoin is theirs too right now...

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