BitDice Robbed Investors? CSNO lost 80% value

[BenCodie]

The people you indirectly scammed. Not me.

You're delusional.

Unless I knowingly promoted something I knew would become a scam, I did not scam anything, even indirectly.

I've not shown disrespect

I said you've not shown respect.

Rest of your points don't even warrant a reply. I'm not obligated to prove you anything or give you any information. The story would be wildly different if you would have provided anything that proves that I had ill intentions or knowingly spread misinformation.

You're accusing me. You provide proof.

You promoted the ICO, people joined it because of you. If you think there's no responsibility on your part to at least share block chain transactions to help investigation then it is yourself who is delusional sir, not I.

You continued to lead investors on with false reassurances even though they should have been having doubt about the company. At that point in time when "old" or "new" management were around, more action could have been taken for them to go on the offence, instead of them being left with nothing to work with but a blank screen on the bitdice website.

The fact that you are not willing to cooperate with blockchain information and have resorted to calling me delusional is enough proof to show that you have something to hide or you are still defending bitdice over victims. You've played the victim the entire time and while other high ranking on watchers might be buying the act, I am not. You have a level of responsibility to help the community and the victims, you've done absolutely nothing to help them to date. All you have done is say everything that you can to evade blame and to evade having to cooperate against bitdice.

I'm not obligated to prove you anything or give you any information.

You're not giving me information, you're giving the victims information. I have nothing to gain here with this information except seeing a huge unresolved scam make progress in its investigation.

But sure, we can let the record show that you refuse to cooperate in order to help victims. That's exactly what I had expected from the moment I mentioned blockchain information.

You're accusing me. You provide proof.

You have no interest in helping victims make progress in investigating. That proves enough in itself.

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[BoXXoB]

That proves enough in itself.

You're making up your own definition of proof as you go.

I've already answered a bunch of your questions. You're showing no sign of respect for that, instead you're asking more and more questions and the situation still remains the same: you're convinced I'm to be blamed. I don't see that answering your questions gets us anywhere. You're still going to believe the same thing about me. Next it's going to be some other questions and if I don't give exactly the answer you want, you're going to say it's proof, again.

You're delusional and obsessed. If you want blockchain proof, track down investors and you might have an actual trail of the ICO funds. Or if you're able to find some BitDice withdrawal transactions. Chances are though, that investors have already gone through these paths.

I'm not going to undermine the privacy of my transactions for a self-proclaimed Bitcointalk detective. You have no right to expect that of me unless you provide proof that I've knowingly promoted/defended a scam. But you can't because I've not done so.

EDIT:

Here's something I can do if it by some miracle helps some actual investors. I doubt BenCodie does anything useful with the information. This is a hotwallet Ethereum address that BitDice used for withdrawals.

https://etherscan.io/address/0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac

As an added bonus, here is some proof that BitDice lost a lot of money to support my theory that they exit scammed after they had lost more money running the business than they can bear:

A player withdrew a lot of Ethereum from an exploit

https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac&p=31

For example a transaction of over 48 ETH

https://etherscan.io/tx/0x0b399c549c945ba17132e61dfc3f10a949c04faaf191eebedc694f2106f08cca

Those transactions were consolidated to this address and exchanged using 1inch

https://etherscan.io/address/0xe51f95c72e40005ecda8369eb444fe05a8305d55

In total the user exploited a bug in slots for over 400 ETH and other currencies totaling over 1 million USD. The management also made this public to investors after I convinced them that it was the right thing to do.

[BenCodie]

That proves enough in itself.

You're making up your own definition of proof as you go.

I've already answered a bunch of your questions. You're showing no sign of respect for that, instead you're asking more and more questions and the situation still remains the same: you're convinced I'm to be blamed. I don't see that answering your questions gets us anywhere. You're still going to believe the same thing about me. Next it's going to be some other questions and if I don't give exactly the answer you want, you're going to say it's proof, again.

You're delusional and obsessed. If you want blockchain proof, track down investors and you might have an actual trail of the ICO funds. Or if you're able to find some BitDice withdrawal transactions. Chances are though, that investors have already gone through these paths.

I'm not going to undermine the privacy of my transactions for a self-proclaimed Bitcointalk detective. You have no right to expect that of me unless you provide proof that I've knowingly promoted/defended a scam. But you can't because I've not done so.

I'm not making up my own definition of proof. You said you weren't helping with block chain information, I said that's proof that you're guilty. If you had of just went and gotten some information like what you posted, then I would not have made that comment.

I and anyone else here have the right to ask you as many questions as we like, as you, a bounty campaign manager that promoted an ICO that wound up being a massive scam, are obligated to providing information that could help anyone.

I am not delusional or obsessed. You are just not cooperative and get agitated every time you have to post here. You need to put that aside and cooperate when something is asked of you on this topic. That is the cost of what has happened and believe me, based on how much people have lost here, you're paying a very small cost in comparison to what some had lost.

I was never a part of the casino so I have no records like withdrawal history. All that I think is necessary are the blockchain links to validate the ICO proceeds so that the money can be followed...if it eventually touches an active wallet or an exchange wallet, then those who are victims can contact that exchange or watch for movements in the active wallet to grab something.

You need to stop complaining because despite your agitation, I think long-needed discovery is now happening now that you are back. You can't neglect your involvement with BitDice and if you want to walk away from it, you need to put whatever effort you can into helping discover the facts, what went wrong, where the funds went, etc. As there is no concrete information on this yet

But all of that aside....Let's work with what you provided.

That proves enough in itself.

Here's something I can do if it by some miracle helps some actual investors. I doubt BenCodie does anything useful with the information. This is a hotwallet Ethereum address that BitDice used for withdrawals.

https://etherscan.io/address/0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac

As an added bonus, here is some proof that BitDice lost a lot of money to support my theory that they exit scammed after they had lost more money running the business than they can bear:

A player withdrew a lot of Ethereum from an exploit

https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac&p=31

For example a transaction of over 48 ETH

https://etherscan.io/tx/0x0b399c549c945ba17132e61dfc3f10a949c04faaf191eebedc694f2106f08cca

Those transactions were consolidated to this address and exchanged using 1inch

https://etherscan.io/address/0xe51f95c72e40005ecda8369eb444fe05a8305d55

In total the user exploited a bug in slots for over 400 ETH and other currencies totaling over 1 million USD. The management also made this public to investors after I convinced them that it was the right thing to do.

So, "New Management" owned over 400 ETH, lost it to an exploit and then decided to exit? Please confirm that is what we are looking at here?

What about transaction information connected with the ICO? Was the hot wallet the same or were the tokens connected to these addresses?

There is something extremely important to note from the activity of the Ethereum hot wallet

https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac

The first transaction was in 2018 and the last transaction was in 2022.

This completely invalidates the "old management" and "new management" spiel. Unless you mean to tell me that this multi million dollar operation changed hands, and "new management" trusted "old management" enough to use the same hot wallet address despite the old management being able to have a backup of the private key to the hot wallet?

Sounds unlikely.

Based on this blockchan evidence, I believe that old management and new management are the same people or person.

I will be conducting more analysis later as it seems this con artist was not one who was vigilant about blockchain data. From the ethereum data just from this one address, we've made a large discovery...that "new and old" management shared a hot wallet shared the same private key.

TLDR for BoXXoB: Feel free to cool off while I look into things further. Thanks for the blockchain evidence. That so far validates that new and old management are most probably fictional. Do you have any comment on that?

[BoXXoB]

So, "New Management" owned over 400 ETH, lost it to an exploit and then decided to exit? Please confirm that is what we are looking at here?

They didn't immediately decide to exit. First they added precautions to avoid something like that in the future like ability for them to double-check large withdrawals. They seemed to continue business as usual after the incident which was odd to me.

This was the biggest loss I saw and probably one of the key factors. It was a dumb mistake on their part because there were never this large amounts in other hotwallets considering by how many withdrawals were not instant and I had to ask to fill hotwallets.

What about transaction information connected with the ICO? Was the hot wallet the same or were the tokens connected to these addresses?

https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac

I don't know. I only ever saw the casino hotwallets, nothing related to ICO. The Ethereum wallet was the only one I was able to locate after all this time. The actual transactions made by investors in the ICO would help more figuring that out.

TLDR for BoXXoB: Feel free to cool off while I look into things further. Thanks for the blockchain evidence. That so far validates that new and old management are most probably fictional. Do you have any comment on that?

I don't think new management was fictional but I think they worked together for atleast sometime. I unfortunately was never kept in the loop so I lack the details here.

EDIT: My opinion is based on the fact that sometimes when there was a problem, the new management said they had to be in touch with old management (alex) to fix it. This was no longer the case in the end (unless they knowingly kept me in the dark about it).

[BenCodie]

So, "New Management" owned over 400 ETH, lost it to an exploit and then decided to exit? Please confirm that is what we are looking at here?

They didn't immediately decide to exit. First they added precautions to avoid something like that in the future like ability for them to double-check large withdrawals. They seemed to continue business as usual after the incident which was odd to me.

This was the biggest loss I saw and probably one of the key factors. It was a dumb mistake on their part because there were never this large amounts in other hotwallets considering by how many withdrawals were not instant and I had to ask to fill hotwallets.

What about transaction information connected with the ICO? Was the hot wallet the same or were the tokens connected to these addresses?

https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa09dc0bbf43c649537a923a1f796d8d9eb03d1ac

I don't know. I only ever saw the casino hotwallets, nothing related to ICO. The Ethereum wallet was the only one I was able to locate after all this time. The actual transactions made by investors in the ICO would help more figuring that out.

TLDR for BoXXoB: Feel free to cool off while I look into things further. Thanks for the blockchain evidence. That so far validates that new and old management are most probably fictional. Do you have any comment on that?

I don't think new management was fictional but I think they worked together for atleast sometime. I unfortunately was never kept in the loop so I lack the details here.

EDIT: My opinion is based on the fact that sometimes when there was a problem, the new management said they had to be in touch with old management (alex) to fix it. This was no longer the case in the end (unless they knowingly kept me in the dark about it).

Well, all I can say at the moment, is that I actually have no more questions to ask you specifically. I think that (despite the frustration) you have provided reasonable answers, and with those answers and especially after the most recent posts and the blockchain information within, that you have (in my opinion) answered everything to the best of your ability.

I understand your frustration as no one likes being under the microscope, or giving answers, especially when they are not guilty. However, I did not come to the conclusion that you weren't possibly involved or have benefited from this case until now.

I think that if anyone wants to continue investigating from here, the posts will help them a lot more than if we had not gone back and forth. For now, I decide to just watch on unless something prompts me to look or talk again. It is unfortunate that you have been mixed up in this BoXXoB, and I thank you for your time answering the questions. While I am still not entirely sure of your involvement (as I find it hard to believe that you could not notice issues), I am on your side of the fence slightly more than not after your recent posts in conjunction with reconsidering your past posts following. I hope that you had no part in this and that I am right to step back for now.

[BoXXoB]

Well, all I can say at the moment, is that I actually have no more questions to ask you specifically. I think that (despite the frustration) you have provided reasonable answers, and with those answers and especially after the most recent posts and the blockchain information within, that you have (in my opinion) answered everything to the best of your ability.

I understand your frustration as no one likes being under the microscope, or giving answers, especially when they are not guilty. However, I did not come to the conclusion that you weren't possibly involved or have benefited from this case until now.

I think that if anyone wants to continue investigating from here, the posts will help them a lot more than if we had not gone back and forth. For now, I decide to just watch on unless something prompts me to look or talk again. It is unfortunate that you have been mixed up in this BoXXoB, and I thank you for your time answering the questions. While I am still not entirely sure of your involvement (as I find it hard to believe that you could not notice issues), I am on your side of the fence slightly more than not after your recent posts in conjunction with reconsidering your past posts following. I hope that you had no part in this and that I am right to step back for now.

I admit I've been rather frustrated about this situation.

What I was mostly frustrated about was that it seemed like a personal attack against me. My reputation is important to me. Knowing that I can't undo my involvement with BitDice is something I deeply regret in hindsight. I wish I had understood what was to come earlier but I was very overworked with just customer support the last years and I had little time for anything else other than that. That's why I've been insisting that I didn't have information other than the little I have given. The management very much treated me just as regular customer support.

I was very happy to see this response from you. Although I've not been happy to be accused, it's also important that scams are taken seriously so I understand your approach.

[JollyGood]

I only came to discover this thread recently, I cannot recall reading it or posting in it but after reading through what I would say to you is that I noticed that you have been a forum member since 2015 and you have a good reputation. You have been here long enough to know on that basis alone, you should never give any form of priority or importance to any member that does not have the decency to respect you. Always keep in mind you must be aware you are not compelled to answer questions when they are put to you in a manner that you find are provocative or distasteful. Use the ignore button, I do it frequently with members that deserve to be ignored.

In a nutshell, if I have understood the context (as well as some literal explanations) of your replies, you were/are not the first and will not be the last member that has been employed to work for a project that went on to effectively scam investors and customers.

By your own statements, you had no involvement with the team pre-ICO except for the bounty campaign and you became an employee after the ICO. As you had no involvement with the team beyond your remit in customer services you were never told where the funds were spent/siphoned therefore you cannot be accused of being part of the scam. Other than by posting walls upon walls of nonsensical text in post after post, if anybody can prove contrary to your claims of innocence they would have posted evidence by now.

There is nothing that anybody can say to negate the damage of financial loss incurred by ICO investors and customers. It must have been a painful experience watching their investment fall in value but having said that if you were not involved in scamming you should not be held to account. I am opposing the flag for obvious reasons. You have provided detailed explanations, more than I would ever have given therefore you should refrain from posting in this thread again until/unless serious accusations with evidence are posted to counter your explanations. Do not waste your time with pointless inquisitions of your character.

I will not be following this thread, I have used the unwatch link and I advise you to do the same.

I admit I've been rather frustrated about this situation.

What I was mostly frustrated about was that it seemed like a personal attack against me. My reputation is important to me. Knowing that I can't undo my involvement with BitDice is something I deeply regret in hindsight. I wish I had understood what was to come earlier but I was very overworked with just customer support the last years and I had little time for anything else other than that. That's why I've been insisting that I didn't have information other than the little I have given. The management very much treated me just as regular customer support.

[BenCodie]

Other than by posting walls upon walls of nonsensical text in post after post, if anybody can prove contrary to your claims of innocence they would have posted evidence by now.

I had no prompt or need to reply this thread or your post, except for this part, where I strongly disagree.

If the posts were nonsensical, another member would probably have intervened and BoXXoB wouldn't have answered most of it as he had. I am sure that the line of questioning will help both those who invested in the ICO have more insight as to what happened. Otherwise, they would have been in the dark and each one who finds this thread would have also been in the dark.

Despite the frustration, the intensity from my part (for reasons already stated) and the long time spent here, I am sure both investors and BoXXoB are glad to have every piece of information that BoXXoB could have provided, thanks to the posts that you call "nonsensical walls of text".