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February 16, 2020, 11:31:12 PM
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This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.
Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.
So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

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This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.
Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.
So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

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February 16, 2020, 11:42:35 PM
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This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.
Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.
So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

And top of that Bitdice owner/ICO organizer still have 10,000,000$ while total investors share including owner stake is now worth $2,000,000 so I am assuming everything is delayed on purpose now owner can buy most of  remaining tokens and profit they already profited 700,000$ from investors by fabricating expenses for running site and if you convert raised capital to current prices its worth over 33,000,000$

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

With 700,000$ spent solely on running old site which according to Boxxob can't be updated while doing nothing is scam by itself.
Give $100k to any casino out there and see what they can do with the money you are spending quarterly while investors didn't agree to pay for those figured costs.

- I really hope that next step is not scamming players for their money

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February 17, 2020, 12:57:27 AM
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This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.
Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.
So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

And top of that Bitdice owner/ICO organizer still have 10,000,000$ while total investors share including owner stake is now worth $2,000,000 so I am assuming everything is delayed on purpose now owner can buy most of  remaining tokens and profit they already profited 700,000$ from investors by fabricating expenses for running site.

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

With 700,000$ spent solely on running old site which according to Boxxob can't be updated while doing nothing is scam by itself.
Give $100k to any casino out there and see what they can do with the money you are spending quarterly while investors didn't agree to pay for those figured costs.

- I really hope that next step is not scamming players for their money

There are quite a bunch of games and few currencies that were added in the past years, count that the signature campaing is one of the best paid of this forum each single legendary user is 3640 usd a year.
Had no idea site was expecting a update but there were new slott games it even added sports betting last year.
I never seen in over a year lurking that chat of any investor whining.

And the site was updated few years ago not sure how everyone forgot.

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February 17, 2020, 01:14:56 AM
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This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.
Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.
So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

And top of that Bitdice owner/ICO organizer still have 10,000,000$ while total investors share including owner stake is now worth $2,000,000 so I am assuming everything is delayed on purpose now owner can buy most of  remaining tokens and profit they already profited 700,000$ from investors by fabricating expenses for running site.

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.

With 700,000$ spent solely on running old site which according to Boxxob can't be updated while doing nothing is scam by itself.
Give $100k to any casino out there and see what they can do with the money you are spending quarterly while investors didn't agree to pay for those figured costs.

- I really hope that next step is not scamming players for their money

There are quite a bunch of games and few currencies that were added in the past years, count that the signature campaing is one of the best paid of this forum each single legendary user is 3640 usd a year.
Had no idea site was expecting a update but there were new slott games it even added sports betting last year.
I never seen in over a year lurking that chat of any investor whining.

And the site was updated few years ago not sure how everyone forgot.

Those are slots that were already there before ICO.
You had no idea because you did not invest or follow ICO.
They are trapped now and do not want to post anything in hope to recover their investment, I would like investors to come up in this thread.
That update is also irrelevant.
Signature campaign is sadly their only marketing campaign since ICO concluded.

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February 17, 2020, 01:22:00 AM
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I'm quoting you "deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago)"
The small update to the site coincides with the promise.
The slott games been added quite often and there is a huge amount of them now.
There are new games.
and currencies
and minor updates
and a going on bigger update

While I didn't follow the ICO I did spend a bunch of time in the chat.
You are the only user that come and generates FUD for some unknown reason.

On a side note, that new rating looks great, next time inform yourself before following a false flag or let me know when you investigated enough.
Might leave it since I see that persistence might be paid by competency.

You cannot lie to me because I seen how the site updated thru the years, If I'm something that thing is a gambler.

I see you keep editing your post, the update isn't irrelevant it was the only thing you had against the site excluding the funding which is still there.
Not like you got many ways to promote a casino. These bumps, someone might thank you for them.


when people doesn't want to hear you can do anything and they will keep repeating the lies till they believe them themselves
one can only sell a product that one believes in.

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February 17, 2020, 01:25:01 AM
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This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.
Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.
So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.
This sound like very bad  excuse.

Why bitdice didn't add games to site when they said they will?

They ran ICO, took money, so what happened to games then?

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February 17, 2020, 01:43:06 AM
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I'm quoting you "deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago)"
The small update to the site coincides with the promise.
The slott games been added quite often and there is a huge amount of them now.
There are new games.
and currencies
and minor updates
and a going on bigger update

While I didn't follow the ICO I did spend a bunch of time in the chat.
You are the only user that come and generates FUD for some unknown reason.

On a side note, that new rating looks great, next time inform yourself before following a false flag or let me know when you investigated enough.
Might leave it since I see that persistence might be paid by competency.

You cannot lie to me because I seen how the site updated thru the years, If I'm something that thing is a gambler.

I see you keep editing your post, the update isn't irrelevant it was the only thing you had against the site excluding the funding which is still there.
Not like you got many ways to promote a casino. These bumps, someone might thank you for them.


when people doesn't want to hear you can do anything and they will keep repeating the lies till they believe them themselves
one can only sell a product that one believes in.

Please read Whitepaper and ICO infographic.
Those 10 slot games they added in 2018 are drop in the sea.

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I'm quoting you "deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago)"
The small update to the site coincides with the promise.
The slott games been added quite often and there is a huge amount of them now.
There are new games.
and currencies
and minor updates
and a going on bigger update

While I didn't follow the ICO I did spend a bunch of time in the chat.
You are the only user that come and generates FUD for some unknown reason.

On a side note, that new rating looks great, next time inform yourself before following a false flag or let me know when you investigated enough.
Might leave it since I see that persistence might be paid by competency.

You cannot lie to me because I seen how the site updated thru the years, If I'm something that thing is a gambler.

I see you keep editing your post, the update isn't irrelevant it was the only thing you had against the site excluding the funding which is still there.
Not like you got many ways to promote a casino. These bumps, someone might thank you for them.


when people doesn't want to hear you can do anything and they will keep repeating the lies till they believe them themselves
one can only sell a product that one believes in.

Please read Whitepaper and ICO infographic.
Those 10 slot games they added in 2018 are drop in the sea.
If I didn't miss count I just count 160 slot machine games. How many should there be/been before?

excluding slots which i don't pay much attention to now there are sports betting too.
On a side note bit aces is quite great.

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February 17, 2020, 01:52:11 AM
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I'm quoting you "deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago)"
The small update to the site coincides with the promise.
The slott games been added quite often and there is a huge amount of them now.
There are new games.
and currencies
and minor updates
and a going on bigger update

While I didn't follow the ICO I did spend a bunch of time in the chat.
You are the only user that come and generates FUD for some unknown reason.

On a side note, that new rating looks great, next time inform yourself before following a false flag or let me know when you investigated enough.
Might leave it since I see that persistence might be paid by competency.

You cannot lie to me because I seen how the site updated thru the years, If I'm something that thing is a gambler.

I see you keep editing your post, the update isn't irrelevant it was the only thing you had against the site excluding the funding which is still there.
Not like you got many ways to promote a casino. These bumps, someone might thank you for them.


when people doesn't want to hear you can do anything and they will keep repeating the lies till they believe them themselves
one can only sell a product that one believes in.

Please read Whitepaper and ICO infographic.
Those 10 slot games they added in 2018 are drop in the sea.
If I didn't miss count I just count 160 slot machine games.

excluding slots which i don't pay much attention to now there are sports betting too.
On a side note bit aces is quite great.

Cool. Do you enjoy playing their Live Dealer games?

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I'm quoting you "deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago)"
The small update to the site coincides with the promise.
The slott games been added quite often and there is a huge amount of them now.
There are new games.
and currencies
and minor updates
and a going on bigger update

While I didn't follow the ICO I did spend a bunch of time in the chat.
You are the only user that come and generates FUD for some unknown reason.

On a side note, that new rating looks great, next time inform yourself before following a false flag or let me know when you investigated enough.
Might leave it since I see that persistence might be paid by competency.

You cannot lie to me because I seen how the site updated thru the years, If I'm something that thing is a gambler.

I see you keep editing your post, the update isn't irrelevant it was the only thing you had against the site excluding the funding which is still there.
Not like you got many ways to promote a casino. These bumps, someone might thank you for them.


when people doesn't want to hear you can do anything and they will keep repeating the lies till they believe them themselves
one can only sell a product that one believes in.

Please read Whitepaper and ICO infographic.
Those 10 slot games they added in 2018 are drop in the sea.
If I didn't miss count I just count 160 slot machine games.

excluding slots which i don't pay much attention to now there are sports betting too.
On a side note bit aces is quite great.

Cool. Do you enjoy playing their Live Dealer games?
I like bit aces and satoshis secret, anyhow from previous irl experiences I try to stay away from slotts.

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February 17, 2020, 01:57:37 AM
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I'm quoting you "deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago)"
The small update to the site coincides with the promise.
The slott games been added quite often and there is a huge amount of them now.
There are new games.
and currencies
and minor updates
and a going on bigger update

While I didn't follow the ICO I did spend a bunch of time in the chat.
You are the only user that come and generates FUD for some unknown reason.

On a side note, that new rating looks great, next time inform yourself before following a false flag or let me know when you investigated enough.
Might leave it since I see that persistence might be paid by competency.

You cannot lie to me because I seen how the site updated thru the years, If I'm something that thing is a gambler.

I see you keep editing your post, the update isn't irrelevant it was the only thing you had against the site excluding the funding which is still there.
Not like you got many ways to promote a casino. These bumps, someone might thank you for them.


when people doesn't want to hear you can do anything and they will keep repeating the lies till they believe them themselves
one can only sell a product that one believes in.

Please read Whitepaper and ICO infographic.
Those 10 slot games they added in 2018 are drop in the sea.
If I didn't miss count I just count 160 slot machine games.

excluding slots which i don't pay much attention to now there are sports betting too.
On a side note bit aces is quite great.

Cool. Do you enjoy playing their Live Dealer games?
I like bit aces and satoshis secret, anyhow from previous irl experiences I try to stay away from slotts.

How about BitDice own Baccart game that they promised to add in Q3-2018 or Bitdice Video Poker or Plinko all promised to be delivered 2 years ago?

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I'm quoting you "deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago)"
The small update to the site coincides with the promise.
The slott games been added quite often and there is a huge amount of them now.
There are new games.
and currencies
and minor updates
and a going on bigger update

While I didn't follow the ICO I did spend a bunch of time in the chat.
You are the only user that come and generates FUD for some unknown reason.

On a side note, that new rating looks great, next time inform yourself before following a false flag or let me know when you investigated enough.
Might leave it since I see that persistence might be paid by competency.

You cannot lie to me because I seen how the site updated thru the years, If I'm something that thing is a gambler.

I see you keep editing your post, the update isn't irrelevant it was the only thing you had against the site excluding the funding which is still there.
Not like you got many ways to promote a casino. These bumps, someone might thank you for them.


when people doesn't want to hear you can do anything and they will keep repeating the lies till they believe them themselves
one can only sell a product that one believes in.

Please read Whitepaper and ICO infographic.
Those 10 slot games they added in 2018 are drop in the sea.
If I didn't miss count I just count 160 slot machine games.

excluding slots which i don't pay much attention to now there are sports betting too.
On a side note bit aces is quite great.

Cool. Do you enjoy playing their Live Dealer games?
I like bit aces and satoshis secret, anyhow from previous irl experiences I try to stay away from slotts.

How about BitDice own Baccart game that they promised to add in Q3-2018 or Bitdice Video Poker or Plinko all promised to be delivered 2 years ago?

https://imgur.com/a/32Lf8cK
countless video poker

no plinko, I has my plinko site tho and I doubt anyone can make a better one.

might of missed the "own" part but not certain since the no commission one.

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What I do not understand, if the invested USD 10 million are still there why did the CSNO tokens lose USD 8 million?

If the invested USD 10 million are still there, then the value of the CSNO tokens should be USD 10 million, because the CSNO tokens represent the value of the invested amount + casino profits - casino losses.
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What I do not understand, if the invested USD 10 million are still there why did the CSNO tokens lose USD 8 million?

If the invested USD 10 million are still there, then the value of the CSNO tokens should be USD 10 million, because the value of the CSNO tokens is at least the remaining sum of the invested amount.
IF that's an actual question then... He didn't put the 10 million as buy wall for the token obviously.
I don't really understand why any crypto believer would hold fiat anyhow, could of keept part in crypto.
I'm not saying im fully satisfied with how the situation looks but I don't think anyone got scammed/iscompromised/promiseswontbekeept

It's been proven thru the years that development isn't a easy thing.

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To add new games takes maximal few months if you have the money to pay the developers.

It is also not like you have to develop new games from the scratch. Most games already exist and can be easily added.

In case of Bitdice it is clear that the administration intentionally did not use the collected investment funds for the promised purpose and investors can demand the full amont of its investment back!

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To add new games takes maximal few months if you have the money to pay the developers.

It is also not like you have to develop new games from the scratch. Most games already exist and can be easily added.

In case of Bitdice it is clear that the administration intentionally did not use the collected investment funds for the promised purpose and investors can demand the full amont of its investment back!


I never thought Alex is the kind of guy that gets people to develop for him. And if it is like I think being a lonely dev must be hard and slow work, I would hate having to let others see code of the site.

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I never thought Alex is the kind of guy that gets people to develop for him. And if it is like I think being a lonely dev must be hard and slow work, I would hate having to let others see code of the site.
If Alex is a lonely and slow working dev, then he knew that he is not able to fulfill the roadmap connected to the investments and intentionally misleaded and deceived the investors and is liable for the damage caused!
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I have not looked at the white paper of the ICO or anything to do with the ICO, so I'd like to play the part of a person who did no research to this point but has questions.

10 million dollars was collected correct?

Was the money collected in fiat, btc, or eth, or other alts?

What was the value of said currencies at the time of collecting for the ICO?

If cryptocurrencies were accepted to buy tokens, did Alex keep the money in cryptos? Fiat conversion?

If he kept it in cryptocurrencies when the price of crypto rose, why didnt the value of the tokens held by investors?

What about forked coins? Was any claimed? Did that value go to investors?

Some of these questions obviously are irrelevant if ICO funds were converted to fiat.

Would like to see the answers to these questions though.


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This speculation is just that... speculation and I doubt it's going to change until there's a new release. Of course this is my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. As I've mentioned in multiple occasions, nobody is hiding the fact that there's been delays.
Excuse me, but how is investor complaining that you didn't deliver something which you supposed to deliver in 2017/2018 (2 years ago) speculation?

I find it pretty silly to call the site a scam while things are being worked on. Right now it feels more like pressuring the site to rush out a release just for the sake of it.
So you invest in something and they say they will do something in 2017., you complain in 2020. that they still didn't do it, and you call that a silly accusation, pressuring someone Huh

Yes, I believe it's silly to accuse of being a scam when a response has been given about how the things that the complaint is about are being worked on. Scam would be if there was no effort being put into anything and everything is simply being left as it is. Then again, maybe my definition of a scam is different than yours.
This sound like very bad  excuse.

Why bitdice didn't add games to site when they said they will?

They ran ICO, took money, so what happened to games then?

BitDice hasn't added all of those games yet but that doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. The new site is the priority at the moment and on the new site those features will be added. Yes, it's delayed as I've said but that doesn't mean the promises were just swept under the rug.

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