Do some gamblers actually win?

[FontSeli]

So just I heard stories of some peoples that do really good careers on sports betting, I mean in that in a full time engagement ,just like a job
One of them has abandoned his profession of doctor to go on a well road on horse's betting.
I mean that a really implicated players!  But again it's  not kids job

I have a lot of friends who bet on football (soccer) in the European Champions League. One of them is even a coach at a children's soccer school. They are of course great football experts, constantly monitor transfers and other events in the life of clubs, they know which players were injured, who left his wife, who found a new mistress, and so on.
However, even they do not always win and there are times when they get losses. In General, of course, they have positive statistics on winnings.

I think that the secret of good bets is to be well versed in the theme and constantly follow the news.

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[3meek]

So just I heard stories of some peoples that do really good careers on sports betting, I mean in that in a full time engagement ,just like a job
One of them has abandoned his profession of doctor to go on a well road on horse's betting.
I mean that a really implicated players!  But again it's  not kids job

I have a lot of friends who bet on football (soccer) in the European Champions League. One of them is even a coach at a children's soccer school. They are of course great football experts, constantly monitor transfers and other events in the life of clubs, they know which players were injured, who left his wife, who found a new mistress, and so on.
However, even they do not always win and there are times when they get losses. In General, of course, they have positive statistics on winnings.

I think that the secret of good bets is to be well versed in the theme and constantly follow the news.

Football bets, if you really follow certain matches, can be profitable!
But sports betting isn't the only gambling... Many people lose in poker, roulette, slot machines!
Danydee gave the right comparison with traders!

If many people won all the time, all the casinos would cease to exist!

[ethereumhunter]

There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions 

I guess that will work properly for him because not all of us can get winning like him. He should have skills in poker so he can win and he can also make a living from poker games. The other skills-based gambling games is a sports betting because I think that some gambling can get their winning from their analysis to select the right team.

[Casdinyard]

There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions 

The problem with poker is that there is a very low "ceiling" of skill. It is almost impossible for an ordinary person to learn how to play chess at the level of grandmasters, but almost anyone can be taught to play poker at the top level. And at this level luck decides everything, since everyone has approximately the same skill.

I've watched a video in youtube a long time ago about poker instincts, I cannot recall the channel but it was all about poker, real casino poker, I've watched it because it was narrated and played with Daniel Negreanu, one of my professional poker player idol. He explained every skill you need to have in order to be great in poker, the simple movement of the eye matters that's why almost all of poker players wears eye glasses when playing, the feet movement, the hands, the sweat and even the saliva swallowing pattern. I know it sounds so off for some of you guys, but the real poker needs a skill more than online poker. You can't bluff your monitor, can you?

[BitcoinASH16]

There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions 

The problem with poker is that there is a very low "ceiling" of skill. It is almost impossible for an ordinary person to learn how to play chess at the level of grandmasters, but almost anyone can be taught to play poker at the top level. And at this level luck decides everything, since everyone has approximately the same skill.

This is a great point and I agree. Another example is backgammon. There is a lot of skill in backgammon, but it is a relatively easy game to master. And once two masters are playing, the game is reduced to the dice rolls (luck).

[BitcoinASH16]

There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions 

The problem with poker is that there is a very low "ceiling" of skill. It is almost impossible for an ordinary person to learn how to play chess at the level of grandmasters, but almost anyone can be taught to play poker at the top level. And at this level luck decides everything, since everyone has approximately the same skill.

I've watched a video in youtube a long time ago about poker instincts, I cannot recall the channel but it was all about poker, real casino poker, I've watched it because it was narrated and played with Daniel Negreanu, one of my professional poker player idol. He explained every skill you need to have in order to be great in poker, the simple movement of the eye matters that's why almost all of poker players wears eye glasses when playing, the feet movement, the hands, the sweat and even the saliva swallowing pattern. I know it sounds so off for some of you guys, but the real poker needs a skill more than online poker. You can't bluff your monitor, can you?

I like Negreanu a lot too but much of this is marketing. You certainly can acquire info (tells) at the physical poker table but usually after playing with the same player over and over again. With a new player, swallowing could mean they are nervous because they are bluffing or nervous because they have a monster. It is the patterns over time that players like Negreanu use. By the way, there are online tells as well. For example an advanced action check is likely a sign of a weak hand...

[KTChampions]

I would like to know how real these stories are. As we know forex brokers, bookmakers and other casinos love to advertise those who were able to win something. But sometimes they just come up with these success stories and people play the role of such "lucky ones" for money.

So about that,  did you know that 80 percent of traders on the stock market lose ??!
https://www.wealthwithin.com.au/learning-centre/share-trading-tips/trading-the-stock-market

Seen from this point, that's just like gambling (which is just hazard based) !  

Of course, trading is an analogue of gambling - there is no doubt about it for me. There is no difference on what to gamble - in a casino, with a coin or with real assets. The result will always be the same - in a zero-sum game, the number of losers will always be the majority. If you work with assets correctly and not play and be an investor, the situation is completely changing: most investors are in the black (the longer the distance, the more substantiated this statement).

Casdinyard

Bluffing doesn't help against math 
And I consider real poker - online poker. Only here you can play a huge number of hands to see some statistics.

[Ste77811]

Although the vast majority of sports bettors lose a small percentage do make money long term.
Been reading a lot of sports betting blogs whilst there has been no sport to bet on.

Found two examples of guys that have been running there blogs for a few years and document there P/L
http://www.daily25.com/

Is run by an Aussie that's been documenting his P/L for several years including losing years, seems very legitimate.

https://smartsportstrader.com/

Run by an English guy that exploits casino bonuses and does sports betting.
He's been documenting his P/L for a few years also.

It does seem that some people are able to make decent money in the long term with the right strategies.

Would be interested if anyone has found any similar blogs to these two?

[South Park]

I do not agree with OP. In my opinion, no one could win consistently yes even with skill based gambling. Because, for consistent winning you must have high level of discipline which may not be possible with an entertainment because there are plenty of chances for you to slip down somewhere when you are too excited about your entertainments.

Even if you have this, chances of consistent winning is impossible.

There is no chance that a gambler with a high level of discipline will consecutive times especially in games like this where it is pure luck. I remember the online game that I'm playing right now. It is purely RNG (items can be get thru pure luck) and even you used many bucks to buy some stuff, there is no 100% chance that you can get the item. It is the same with gambling. Even you put a million bucks there, the chances that you will win isn't 100% because it is still 50/50. Either you lose or fail.

There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions 

Having good skills is not the only requirement that you need to be profitable at poker, as you know it is a zero sum game which means that in order for you to earn money someone has to lose, the problem is that if in your table everyone has a similar skill level then who wins and who losses is now going to be determined by luck, if you want to win you need to have a few players that are below your skill level and take advantage of that difference in skill when you face them, something that is not easy to do at all.

[peter0425]

There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions 

I guess that will work properly for him because not all of us can get winning like him. He should have skills in poker so he can win and he can also make a living from poker games. The other skills-based gambling games is a sports betting because I think that some gambling can get their winning from their analysis to select the right team.

Skills in poker for me is not that much reason for winning because not unless you are a card expert and can manipulate the distribution then thats the only way you can bag lots of money but if not?then Luck is what you need to win always.
i am a card player thats why i know how it works for long time.

[FontSeli]

So just I heard stories of some peoples that do really good careers on sports betting, I mean in that in a full time engagement ,just like a job
One of them has abandoned his profession of doctor to go on a well road on horse's betting.
I mean that a really implicated players!  But again it's  not kids job

I have a lot of friends who bet on football (soccer) in the European Champions League. One of them is even a coach at a children's soccer school. They are of course great football experts, constantly monitor transfers and other events in the life of clubs, they know which players were injured, who left his wife, who found a new mistress, and so on.
However, even they do not always win and there are times when they get losses. In General, of course, they have positive statistics on winnings.

I think that the secret of good bets is to be well versed in the theme and constantly follow the news.

Football bets, if you really follow certain matches, can be profitable!
But sports betting isn't the only gambling... Many people lose in poker, roulette, slot machines!
Danydee gave the right comparison with traders!

If many people won all the time, all the casinos would cease to exist!

I also follow the football (soccer) matches of my favorite teams and quite often the result is obvious, but in this case the coefficient for the winning team is very small. To win good money on football betting, people need to make complex bets or guess the number of goals scored.

[deisik]

We all read threads where people say that it is impossible to win against the house because the edge that is always against a gambler.

But often when I am playing dice and I see chat and view stats of some gamblers there are actually some profiles that show profits while some show loss so my question is, do people actually make profits from dice or the stats are misleading or something?

And I am talking about regular gamblers who I mean are active in chat almost daily so it's not like they made profit once and stopped gambling, they are active and gamble almost every day so how some guys are managing profits while others are failing?

People don't like to report their losses. On the other hand, most people like to brag about their wins. What does it mean? Given huge discrepancies in individual wealth, when you see someone winning big, it may look big only to you and your "wealth status". The point is, these people may be winning as well as losing, and probably losing more at the end of the day, but since you see them report their wins only, it seems like they are always winning. We can call it a winner mentality without actually being a winner

Then, there is martingale which allows you to be always in profit (if used wisely)

[LogitechMouse]

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There's a lot of gambling that is not based on pure luck just like poker! It is skilled base gambling which you are going to win consistently if you are good in that game, I read a thread here in gambling section which he is earning through gambling and he is doing it for a living, Imagine how he do it for a living if it is just a pure luck game. As long as your game is skilled based there's a high chance that you are going to win consistently as long as you are very good at it. Just imaging those poker champions 

Hmmmmmm maybe Poker can be a skill based gambling but you still need luck there . What if you are getting a set of ugly cards all the time? Maybe you can turn it around but most of the newbie gamblers who are playing poker can't even do it. I have watched some poker games on Youtube and there are some expert gamblers who are bluffing other gamblers and this may sound funny but this works either way . Anyway, if I really want to gamble then I might try poker but maybe I'll just try other poker game apps on playstore .

[BitcoinTurk]

In gambling, he always wins a safe, this is an unwritten rule, but in some cases he randomly pays big wins so as not to attract the shot. Although I think that the big winnings in some statistics are not earned by real individuals, I am sure that very rarely, real players also make big or big winnings when gambling. Of course, this amount of earnings is always balanced in a way that ensures the profit of the safe. This is why real users, albeit rarely, make huge gains. Still, I would like to remind you that the case always wins the long-term, if you look at the event from a wide perspective.

[Findingnemo]

Hmmmmmm maybe Poker can be a skill based gambling but you still need luck there . What if you are getting a set of ugly cards all the time? Maybe you can turn it around but most of the newbie gamblers who are playing poker can't even do it. I have watched some poker games on Youtube and there are some expert gamblers who are bluffing other gamblers and this may sound funny but this works either way . Anyway, if I really want to gamble then I might try poker but maybe I'll just try other poker game apps on playstore .

Trying with system and the real human have vast differences as I said earlier on other thread you can increase your poker skill only if you play with real players while risking your real money.

[casperBGD]

Hmmmmmm maybe Poker can be a skill based gambling but you still need luck there . What if you are getting a set of ugly cards all the time? Maybe you can turn it around but most of the newbie gamblers who are playing poker can't even do it. I have watched some poker games on Youtube and there are some expert gamblers who are bluffing other gamblers and this may sound funny but this works either way . Anyway, if I really want to gamble then I might try poker but maybe I'll just try other poker game apps on playstore .

Trying with system and the real human have vast differences as I said earlier on other thread you can increase your poker skill only if you play with real players while risking your real money.

do agree on that, you can not improve your skills on poker without risking your own money, without risk you cannot improve anything, since there is no risk and you can try anything without risk, something that you would not do when risk is involved

[Danydee]

People don't like to report their losses. On the other hand, most people like to brag about their wins. What does it mean? Given huge discrepancies in individual wealth, when you see someone winning big, it may look big only to you and your "wealth status". The point is, these people may be winning as well as losing, and probably losing more at the end of the day, but since you see them report their wins only, it seems like they are always winning. We can call it a winner mentality without actually being a winner

Then, there is martingale which allows you to be always in profit (if used wisely)

 There is sites that shows on the user's profile the stats for the profits, profits percentage, amount, win/loss amount, percentage,  And so you can found players that have (all time) really huge amounts of wins,,
 That's tells concretely that's there is nothing "impossible/insurmountable", all is question of good work good method

[deisik]

People don't like to report their losses. On the other hand, most people like to brag about their wins. What does it mean? Given huge discrepancies in individual wealth, when you see someone winning big, it may look big only to you and your "wealth status". The point is, these people may be winning as well as losing, and probably losing more at the end of the day, but since you see them report their wins only, it seems like they are always winning. We can call it a winner mentality without actually being a winner

Then, there is martingale which allows you to be always in profit (if used wisely)

There is sites that shows on the user's profile the stats for the profits, profits percentage, amount, win/loss amount, percentage,  And so you can found players that have (all time) really huge amounts of wins,,
That's tells concretely that's there is nothing "impossible/insurmountable", all is question of good work good method

Actually, I thought about that

These are all valid concerns and considerations. However, if this info is freely and easily available on relevant sites, why not share it with us? We would then check these stats and see for ourselves. I looked through the entirety of this thread (yes, all 13 pages), and haven't found any links other than to some construction worker jumping "from rags to riches" (an obvious case of luck at play) and another poster showing their stats, which are nothing out of the ordinary from my point of view (as I explained, you can beat the house edge with martingale)

[ethereumhunter]

I guess that will work properly for him because not all of us can get winning like him. He should have skills in poker so he can win and he can also make a living from poker games. The other skills-based gambling games is a sports betting because I think that some gambling can get their winning from their analysis to select the right team.

Skills in poker for me is not that much reason for winning because not unless you are a card expert and can manipulate the distribution then thats the only way you can bag lots of money but if not?then Luck is what you need to win always.
i am a card player thats why i know how it works for long time.

If you only want to enjoy the poker game without thinking about trying to winning, I think skill will not too important. But gambler who wants to win the poker game will always try to learn more about poker so they can have more chance to win. Yes, the poker game will need luck to win in the gambling games but sometimes, if the moment is right, and you are in the right table, you can use bluffing to defeat the opponent.

[South Park]

Hmmmmmm maybe Poker can be a skill based gambling but you still need luck there . What if you are getting a set of ugly cards all the time? Maybe you can turn it around but most of the newbie gamblers who are playing poker can't even do it. I have watched some poker games on Youtube and there are some expert gamblers who are bluffing other gamblers and this may sound funny but this works either way . Anyway, if I really want to gamble then I might try poker but maybe I'll just try other poker game apps on playstore .

If you are getting awful cards in poker there is nothing that you can do, you have no option but to keep waiting for luck to come back to you and one of the things that many people do not really understand is that if you read the biographies of great poker players you will see that those streaks of bad luck do not last a few hours sometimes they last for months and they are unable to get profits during that time, can you imagine working for months and still get no profits? Very few people will be able to survive economically under those circumstances.