Paradice.in SCAM accusation - Has been resolved

[paradice_scam]

Hi people.

I'm here to make a scam accusation against Paradice.in, since they don't want to pay my winnings.
Here is the story:
- I deposited approx. 0.002 BTC
- well played and raised it to 0.011 BTC
- when I requested Withdrawal it was not processed instantly (as Paradice claim they do) but instead it got the status of "manual check".

When I wrote to support the agent answered me, that my WD won't be processed because I have multiple accounts, which is just not true and of course they didn't even present any proofs ('cause they don't have any).

The deposit amount is just $20, but WD amount is more then $100. I can't imagine that it's the real reason they don't want to pay, since this amount is nothing to respectable casino.
Guess they're not so respectable therefore.

Anyways, at least now we all know that they are scammers.

Here is screenshots of confirmed deposit and WD status, along with some chat conversation with a support guy: https://imgur.com/a/ar6s3sY

[Yabes]

First, You should lift you thread to Scam Accusations

Make sure you post your accusations follows format : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0

[Avirunes]

There is no paradice.im so correct the title with the correct site. I don't see any reason of holding your balance if you haven't abused their faucet or any bonus program with multiple accounts but that so isn't the case since you played with deposit money. It is best to clear out things with the owner or some other representative from the site. Try out this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1695987 since he started the ANN here in bitcointalk.

[Cratoon]

Hi people.

I'm here to make a scam accusation against Paradice.in, since they don't want to pay my winnings.
Here is the story:
- I deposited approx. 0.002 BTC
- well played and raised it to 0.011 BTC
- when I requested Withdrawal it was not processed instantly (as Paradice claim they do) but instead it got the status of "manual check".

When I wrote to support the agent answered me, that my WD won't be processed because I have multiple accounts, which is just not true and of course they didn't even present any proofs ('cause they don't have any).

The deposit amount is just $20, but WD amount is more then $100. I can't imagine that it's the real reason they don't want to pay, since this amount is nothing to respectable casino.
Guess they're not so respectable therefore.

Anyways, at least now we all know that they are scammers.

Here is screenshots of confirmed deposit and WD status, along with some chat conversation with a support guy: https://imgur.com/a/ar6s3sY

Hello!

After reading your post and analyzing the situation, we came to conclusion that your account was involved in the Faucet abuse.
The funds were held by the system that prevents Faucet abuse from multiple accounts until further investigation by our team.
At this point we're pretty sure you did abused the Faucet and do have multiple accounts. We will provide the evidence for the public soon.

The Paradice.in has a lot of players actively betting without any issues, and each transaction is instant unless there's a problem with faucet abuse.
We value transparency in our game, and provide fair game rules for each player.

[YOSHIE]

You gamble not find out about good and deceptive gambling sites, why don't you take the time to find out a professional and scam gambling site.
At the time of losing money just realized gambling sites are a scam, it's a weakness that humans have, lazy to find out something good for themselves.

This forum is a place for discussion that we don't know will realize.
In 2017 the Paradice.im betting site, was already involved in fraud: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1900492.0

if you have a little time, before betting, to find out about gambling sites, chances are that your money is still safe.

Here's one more proof:

Topic: Paradice.io phishing Primedice users

[Cratoon]

You gamble not find out about good and deceptive gambling sites, why don't you take the time to find out a professional and scam gambling site.
At the time of losing money just realized gambling sites are a scam, it's a weakness that humans have, lazy to find out something good for themselves.

This forum is a place for discussion that we don't know will realize.
In 2017 the Paradice.im betting site, was already involved in fraud: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1900492.0

if you have a little time, before betting, to find out about gambling sites, chances are that your money is still safe.

Here's one more proof:

Topic: Paradice.io phishing Primedice users

Hello! If you did a bit more research then you should realized that paradice.in is a different project with different team, and has nothing to do with "paradice.im", "paradice.io" or "primedice".

[ChuckBuck]

You gamble not find out about good and deceptive gambling sites, why don't you take the time to find out a professional and scam gambling site.
At the time of losing money just realized gambling sites are a scam, it's a weakness that humans have, lazy to find out something good for themselves.

Most accusers are new members, which means they haven't used this forum before, so getting to know those sites is almost impossible. Moreover, I suppose they come to nameless casinos because they see great promotions, phishing casinos often come with special offers. If everyone focuses on the big casinos then who will be the players in the new casinos  I agree with you about finding out before joining a casino, but that doesn't mean only joining the best casinos. Moreover, making accusations here cannot help them get their money back, it only helps others avoid a scam casino, so be glad when they posted here 

[YOSHIE]

Hello! If you did a bit more research then you should realized that paradice.in is a different project with different team, and has nothing to do with "paradice.in", "paradice.io" or "primedice".

It's the same, if the site was involved in fraud from the beginning of the name: paradice.io "replaced with the current name" primedice.in or paradice.im.

To eliminate traces, these internet bugs can all be overhauled so as not to be suspected of fraud.

And what about your Alt account that promotes the same site. Ponzi

The address you are using is linked to the alt account below.



address in the code box.
Topic: [New] Need DT Members +7 Multi Account

After reading your post and analyzing the situation, we came to conclusion that your account was involved in the Faucet abuse.
The funds were held by the system that prevents Faucet abuse from multiple accounts until further investigation by our team.
At this point we're pretty sure you did abused the Faucet and do have multiple accounts. We will provide the evidence for the public soon.

here you admit it the OP is wrong to use the Faucet abusing system. ]that means the Paradice.im site, yours.

You just prove it, if your site is not deceptive, before I show you more evidence.

Against accusations OP.


In this post, you say the site is different, Different teams, different projects. convoluted.

[Cratoon]

Hello! If you did a bit more research then you should realized that paradice.in is a different project with different team, and has nothing to do with "paradice.in", "paradice.io" or "primedice".

It's the same, if the site was involved in fraud from the beginning of the name: paradice.io "replaced with the current name" primedice.in or paradice.im.

To eliminate traces, these internet bugs can all be overhauled so as not to be suspected of fraud.

And what about your Alt account that promotes the same site. Ponzi

The address you are using is linked to the alt account below.



address in the code box.
Topic: [New] Need DT Members +7 Multi Account

Well, that really doesn't prove your accusation. Besides, what's the point in making a scam site with same name as previous known scams? We operate a fair business and didn't even knew about bitcointalk drama with pradice.io/im
As discussed in our main topic, we had a same (not very original) idea for a domain, that's all. No affiliation with any scams whats so ever.

[imstillthebest]

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I thought that he have a screen shot of his deposit which was 20 USD and he said he only Gamble and reach a good amount for withdrawal  .

Why would he still abuse the faucet and what will he got on the faucet ? Doesn't make sense to me or unless he is also lying and you here are telling the truth ,well that is a different story anymore . Abusers are always being punished either thier account will be banned or their withdrawals will not be processed    .  

[Cratoon]

Dear players,

We are a new casino, and we have to face a lot of challenges at this time. One of the problems we're facing is the faucet abusers.
It's a category of users who create hundreds or thousands of accounts, and take free bonus to set a maximal bid (all in), and once they win they repeat it until they have the amount for withdrawal. And although the chance for such win is 2% for each bet, the abusers have ways to do hundreds or thousands of bet simultaneously, which negatively affects our business.

We are constantly working on development of our project, and the recent features is the anti-fraud protection.
The system begun freezing withdrawals from users that made several bids with maximal multiply on funds received from our bonus program. The system flags these users as obvious abusers, and it been successfully blocking abusers from our game without any complaints from their part.

As the system was implemented, some time have passed, and the faucet abusers have adapted. After a series of successful bids and winning enough to withdraw, they made a small deposit to their balances. That way they have passed the anti-fraud check from our system.
For some time that worked, that the faucet abusers were withdrawing unfairly received funds.
Very recently we improved our anti-fraud, which lead to creation of this topic.

As our data shows, the player which created this topic is one of the faucet abusers, which withdrawn funds by abusing faucet.

Starting from FEB 11, this account regularly received bonus from faucet (our limit is once in 30 minutes), and were placing all in for x3-x4 miltiply. In case of success that account were placing all in with the same multiply.
On 18.02.2020 at 07:27:24 UTC the account makes series of all in wins, and receives 0.011 BTC on the balance. That happened on 88th bid after taking faucet 55 times. The bids have stopped after that.

At 6:41:49 there is a deposit of $20 equivalent in BTC to this account.
The deposit have added to balance on 7:21:15.
At 7:27:22 begins a series of bets with 98% chance and very small bid. There was 727 bids only 43 of which had chance of  47%.
At 8:27:45 there was a last bet, after which the withdrawal request were created.
Since our system marked the account as suspicious, it was frozen for manual processing.

We decided to decline the deposit because of following reasons:
1. At the moment of deposit there were more than enough funds for withdrawal, which makes us think it was made to throw off our anti-fraud system.
2. After making a deposit, there was an extremely large amount of small bets.
3. The network of this account is used in hundreds of other accounts.
4. This specific IP address were used on many other accounts which were withdrawing with faucet abuse.
5. This specific IP address is same that is used on faucet abuse account, and the game behavior of that account is same as on the other faucet abuse accounts.

Conclusion:
The deposit were made to try bypassing our anti-fraud system, since it worked previously.

[Yabes]

Burst faucet ! it's creepy.

How about balance deposited?

Did your system able to detect then auto-ban the account were detected as abuser of faucet? why your system keep allow people to deposit? It's kind a unfair if in case the players win then blocked which reason abuser, then if in case lose.. that it's come to daddy bankroll.

[ChuckBuck]

then if in case lose.. that it's come to your bankroll.

Yes, it is exactly what is said here  If you guys deal with tap abuse before the money is deposited into the account, this topic will not appear here  In that case, you guys have delayed processing. Therefore, to be fair, you must accept that the player has made a deposit and won the bet. It is simply a bet in bet  they win - they have money, they lose - you have money

[Cratoon]

Burst faucet ! it's creepy.

How about balance deposited?

Did your system able to detect then auto-ban the account were detected as abuser of faucet? why your system keep allow people to deposit? It's kind a unfair if in case the players win then blocked which reason abuser, then if in case lose.. that it's come to daddy bankroll.

Yes, it is exactly what is said here  Wink If you guys deal with tap abuse before the money is deposited into the account, this topic will not appear here  Smiley In that case, you guys have delayed processing. Therefore, to be fair, you must accept that the player has made a deposit and won the bet. It is simply a bet in bet  Wink they win - they have money, they lose - you have money

Taking your feedback in mind, we will think about ways of improving the system to increase protection for regular players who casually use bonus. In this specific case we had all reasons to know this person is multi-account faucet abuser.

[Yabes]

Simple question, how about 20$ ?

[paradice_scam]

As I was advised here, I made a topic in the Scam Accusations board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Regarding to Cratoon's answer: as he has just confirmed, they have some anti-fraud system which was considered as perfect. But time has passed and it turned out this system has some bugs. Now they fixed it and so they consider it perfect again. Well, while they think so, this system may (and probably does) have some bugs that hurt honest users. And, of course, to defend their point they could say absolutely anything about IP addresses, subnets, number of bets, similarity of bets etc., which still are not proofs, but rather excuses.

What we have now is the fact that they can block any withdrawal with made-up "security reason" and they don't care about your deposited money.

As the people wrote here: it's OK if you deposit money, nobody cares how your IP looks like.
But when you try to withdraw, you can be sure they'll check everything and finally find something that on their mind is a reason to deny a withdraw.

Well, it makes such a casino truly "provable fair lose system": you can be 100% sure you will either lost your money in a game, or your withdrawal will be blocked for some unprovable reason.

Do not play there, guys. I really hope those $20 they've stolen will save much more money for some gamblers here.

[YOSHIE]

Hay @Cratoon.
New accusations arise against your site, and you ignore everything you don't solve professionally.

Reputation:
OP new accusation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226777.msg53865753#msg53865753

You don't need to explain other problems with your site's work system, or advise us here, it's not necessary. I know very well which is sweet and rotten.

I suggest to you @Cratoon. Finish your case with the OP well, if not I will mark you for fraud. Not paying people's wins.

[Cratoon]

I suggest to you @Cratoon. Finish your case with the OP well, if not I will mark you for fraud. Not paying people's wins.

Are you the bitcointalk police?

The $20 deposit was sent back to this player yesterday, although he obviously were caught abusing our bonus system.

Problem is resolved.

Now please remove the negative rep that you have added for no legitimate reason.

[Cratoon]

As I was advised here, I made a topic in the Scam Accusations board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Regarding to Cratoon's answer: as he has just confirmed, they have some anti-fraud system which was considered as perfect. But time has passed and it turned out this system has some bugs. Now they fixed it and so they consider it perfect again. Well, while they think so, this system may (and probably does) have some bugs that hurt honest users. And, of course, to defend their point they could say absolutely anything about IP addresses, subnets, number of bets, similarity of bets etc., which still are not proofs, but rather excuses.

What we have now is the fact that they can block any withdrawal with made-up "security reason" and they don't care about your deposited money.

As the people wrote here: it's OK if you deposit money, nobody cares how your IP looks like.
But when you try to withdraw, you can be sure they'll check everything and finally find something that on their mind is a reason to deny a withdraw.

Well, it makes such a casino truly "provable fair lose system": you can be 100% sure you will either lost your money in a game, or your withdrawal will be blocked for some unprovable reason.

Do not play there, guys. I really hope those $20 they've stolen will save much more money for some gamblers here.

The anti-fraud system works ok, and it is obvious that you have abused it.

Either way your deposit were returned to your address yesterday.

Our anti-faucet system is not perfect, but it sure does not makes mistakes towards our players. We are sure about our data and we wouldn't risk our reputation because of some $20. In this case we are 100% sure this person abused the faucet and tried to fool our anti-faucet system by making a deposit.
There are no reason to deposit $20 when you have $100 which can be withdrawn, which he got from the regular faucet abuse.
Another good question is why did he create a topic from new account.

All of our users get they withdrawals instantly, and we have good way of determining players from faucet abusers. You were caught in faucet abuse, and your $20 were transferred back to your wallet.

We welcome any healthy criticism and feedback, which will have actual basis and not just unfounded statements.

[ChuckBuck]

Personally, I think this is a good solution for both sides. In this case, the site detects abuse, so winning is not accepted, the deposit is returned to the user. I think this is the best solution in this situation  This is just my personal opinion  On this forum, each DT member has his own way of thinking, feedback on your account can be given by anyone, towards YOSHIE, hope he has the same thoughts as me