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April 07, 2020, 08:46:06 PM
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Perhaps if you are honest in trading you can be trusted to select other trustworthy members that dont try to game the trust system so they can scam with impunity??
I don't see the link between those two traits. Someone can be 'honest' and 'gullible' (or overly trusting) at the same time. Likewise, someone can be completely dishonest, but be a good judge of character.

Just because you would not cheat someone, that does not necessarily make you any better or worse at judging whether the next guy would or would not cheat someone.

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April 08, 2020, 05:51:03 AM
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Perhaps if you are honest in trading you can be trusted to select other trustworthy members that dont try to game the trust system so they can scam with impunity??
I don't see the link between those two traits. Someone can be 'honest' and 'gullible' (or overly trusting) at the same time. Likewise, someone can be completely dishonest, but be a good judge of character.

Just because you would not cheat someone, that does not necessarily make you any better or worse at judging whether the next guy would or would not cheat someone.



Perhaps i didn't make myself clear. They can be trusted to try to and select other trustworthy members.
Your point is correct but you are not stating a few big problems with having completely dishonest members like nutildah in DT.

If they were able to discern good eggs from bad that does not mean they will pick the good eggs at all does it?

You will probably notice they will select other scammers and corrupt trust abusers they can collude with. Lists change all of the time do you really want to have to watch scammers lists 24 7 worrying they may add some bad eggs.

The obvious issue is the leverage to pull big scams is there when on DT. Along with all of the other insoluble problems associated with misuse of DT powers that reach as far as crushing free speech.

One only need look at the state of DT to notice that it does not work.
The problem is deeper and reaches back to conflating merit with trust.

Also not all honest member with long trade histories are gullible  most who have been here for years are not gullible.  I mean i tecshare more gullible than nutildah? No

Your point was correct. Though when you push that line of thought a little further then there is no reason to knowingly have scammers  or willing scam facilitators for pay on DT intentionally.

You end up with a string of completely scammy members all on DT saying i dont need to select honest non scammy members because they have good judgement.

DT1 should be very valuable accounts  7 years or more aged with long trade histories and Zero examples of scamming. Merit could play a very small role. I don't  see it as relevant since the merit score is largely meaningless as it stands.

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April 17, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
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I'll just drop this here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1668017

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anonymousminer derailed a thread. I called him a bitch for doing so in a private exchange between him and I. He said he wanted to fight me. I told him how to find me. Then he cried until I blocked his PMs and derailed another thread which is why I called him a bitch in the first place. Now he’s making a thread trying to seem like a tough guy. It’s funny to me. Why the community stands for people derailing threads and chasing away talent I have no idea, but I stand by my statement that it is bitch behavior. As for who the keyboard warrior is, I’m not the one publicly trying to sound tough behind a keyboard. I blocked the bitch and moved on with no worries.

Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233577.msg54048974#msg54048974
Archive: http://archive.is/VTH34

Seems like negative trust has been sent in retribution for criticism and speaking freely. Seems this objective standardz guild support sending negative tags for derailing threads, I suppose we could call them from this point "DOUBLE STANDARDZ GUILD".

@Guild leader TECSHARE, are you going to exclude Ognasty for trust abuse and add him to suggested exclusion list???
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April 17, 2020, 07:58:20 PM
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@Guild leader TECSHARE, are you going to exclude Ognasty for trust abuse and add him to suggested exclusion list???

Yeah that's not how the standards work. You can't expect TECSHARE to follow his own standards - those are just words to rope in suckers who can't be bothered to look beyond the lyrics.

How the fuck does what happens to <insert-someone-from-TECSHARE's-trust-list> effect me whatsoever?
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April 18, 2020, 08:55:41 AM
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@Guild leader TECSHARE, are you going to exclude Ognasty for trust abuse and add him to suggested exclusion list???

Yeah that's not how the standards work. You can't expect TECSHARE to follow his own standards - those are just words to rope in suckers who can't be bothered to look beyond the lyrics.

How the fuck does what happens to <insert-someone-from-TECSHARE's-trust-list> effect me whatsoever?

Remind me again, why am I responsible for other people's actions?
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April 18, 2020, 02:09:19 PM
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Remind me again, why am I responsible for other people's actions?

Remind me where I said that you are. As far as I know you don't take responsibility even for your own actions. You're never wrong.
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April 18, 2020, 02:21:30 PM
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Remind me again, why am I responsible for other people's actions?

If you start a guild, set guidelines , and invite people in, you are responsible for their actions as it pertains to your guild

If you don't like what they do - remove them from your guild - or expect to be challenged on it.

The alternative is to let them do what they want, and have your guild mean nothing

(FYI You constantly try to hold my DT sponsors responsible for my actions - yet another example of your core hypocrisy.  :/)

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April 18, 2020, 02:40:34 PM
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Why are you suggesting users to trust fraudulent account?

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April 18, 2020, 04:10:18 PM
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Why are you suggesting users to trust fraudulent account?

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Your are one of the most harmful troll here with lot's deception inside you. That is your own interpretation of me being fraudulent despite me not intending to scam anyone around or not being an individual risky to deal with. I even don't shit on other users trust wall's as you do and enjoy the most.
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April 18, 2020, 04:12:56 PM
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That is your own interpretation of me being fraudulent despite me not intending to scam anyone around

Yes, I was involved in bumping business and I even had many other users working around me.

I'll probably bookmark this.
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April 18, 2020, 04:19:33 PM
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That is your own interpretation of me being fraudulent despite me not intending to scam anyone around

Yes, I was involved in bumping business and I even had many other users working around me.

I'll probably bookmark this.

That doesn't proof anything other than you being biased in your judgements and trying to ignore and even wrongly troll my statements.
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April 18, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
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That is your own interpretation of me being fraudulent despite me not intending to scam anyone around

Yes, I was involved in bumping business and I even had many other users working around me.

I'll probably bookmark this.

That doesn't proof anything other than you being biased in your judgements and trying to ignore and even wrongly troll my statements.
So it is trolling now, not fake review ico service business any more.  Cool

Actually, the whole topic proves my good judgement, I suspected what you are, you denied it, I investigated it and I proved my judgement is good. You, on the other hand, showed that you are one big liar.
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April 18, 2020, 09:45:04 PM
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Remind me again, why am I responsible for other people's actions?

Remind me where I said that you are. As far as I know you don't take responsibility even for your own actions. You're never wrong.

Yet you are still trying to hold me responsible for the actions of others.


Remind me again, why am I responsible for other people's actions?

If you start a guild, set guidelines , and invite people in, you are responsible for their actions as it pertains to your guild

If you don't like what they do - remove them from your guild - or expect to be challenged on it.

The alternative is to let them do what they want, and have your guild mean nothing

(FYI You constantly try to hold my DT sponsors responsible for my actions - yet another example of your core hypocrisy.  :/)


The list I posted was a suggestion, not a membership list. As you well know and willfully ignore from the OP, anyone is welcome to call themselves a member. As far as I know OGnasty hasn't done that, not that it would make me responsible for his actions either way.
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April 18, 2020, 10:53:03 PM
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As far as I know OGnasty hasn't done that

That's OK, the blockchain is hard to read.

When I have the time I'll finish the proof and post it in a way even you can understand.   Then I'll be vindicated.  Smiley


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April 18, 2020, 11:51:02 PM
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That is your own interpretation of me being fraudulent despite me not intending to scam anyone around

Yes, I was involved in bumping business and I even had many other users working around me.

I'll probably bookmark this.

That doesn't proof anything other than you being biased in your judgements and trying to ignore and even wrongly troll my statements.
So it is trolling now, not fake review ico service business any more.  Cool

Actually, the whole topic proves my good judgement, I suspected what you are, you denied it, I investigated it and I proved my judgement is good. You, on the other hand, showed that you are one big liar.

Is malboroza ok? He gets fixated on things.

You answer him and refute his points clearly but he just keeps on asking the same answered questions and making the same mistakes?

In this case though he is just moaning about people that apparently tell lies although openly supporting a proven liar and scammer like lauda.

When you present irrefutable evidence of laudas lies and scamming marlboroza says that is trolling?

Better to just refuse to answer his repetitive previously answered questions.
If he is unable to comprehend the answers already given in this thread many times then what good can come of answering him again.
He is either lacking the capacity to understand or is trolling.

I guess you could try one more time or just paste the link.

The guild is for those that wish to adopt objective standards for the trust system. Marlboroza could even join but he will not because he does not want objective standards to ensure all members are treated equally.  Malboroza wants to support proven scammers pals of his but punish ico bumpers he does not like..

Dishonest double standards scum bag.
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June 03, 2020, 12:09:21 AM
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Tired of having the trust system here abused against you? Voice your support and add the graphics in the OP to your profile pic and signature!
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June 03, 2020, 12:24:15 AM
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^^ For the first time in a few months, DT is officially not broken.   Grin

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June 03, 2020, 01:10:49 AM
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Tired of having the trust system here abused against you? Voice your support and add the graphics in the OP to your profile pic and signature!

It's been over five years since you created this thread.


Your constant obsessive ramblings about this prove that you don't belong in the default trust network.

Just gonna keep going huh?

Threads TECSHARE has started to complain about 'trust abuse' and 'censorship':

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June 04, 2020, 10:33:21 PM
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You are supporting tecshare?
You feel objective standards are unarguably the way to go?
Those threads seem to support that argument but your tone does not. 
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Thanks for compiling that list of reasons why we need objective standards, secretary. If you would also get me a coffee. Two creams, no sugar.
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