Bitmain Introduces the S19 and S19 Pro

[Artemis3]

My conspiracy...

So this is copying the M20S idea? Just a bigger case and MOAR hashboards? Is this thing going to need two 1800w power cables? 4 140mm fans?

Well at least the firmware shouldn't be much different then, hopefully...

[MoparMiningLLC]

Nah  they will have a lot of trouble selling this gear.  If coins are at 8500 no one will order.

To think they dropped btc price to kill off coupons  makes less sense than jacking up price to sell  more gear.

Unless they plan to pump BCH or BSV  to sell gear.

easy, buy btc to raise the value so that their miners now look like a good deal.

[philipma1957]

Nah  I can tell you that is not a move they would make. The $$$ lost in dropping price down to 8500 from 10500 is too much to bother.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Maybe but they can raise the price of btc - remember its in their best interest to lower btc value when selling as well - lets then get more of our btc

[philipma1957]

Maybe but they can raise the price of btc - remember its in their best interest to lower btc value when selling as well - lets then get more of our btc

Agreed but at 8500 a coin the new model does not look very special.

In 65-70 days ½ ing comes and the new gear barely turns a profit.

[mikeywith]

they should have an option to buy the miners with the number of hash boards requested by the buyer - example, if it has 4 boards and runs at 110 th with 3300 watts - why not let the buyer specify 2 boards to get 55 th and use 1650 watts

That's a great idea as far as the buyers are concerned, but if I were Bitmain I would never attempt doing something like that unless I was having a hard time selling the gears which never seem to be the case with all the new gears they make.

The first issue I can think of is support and warranty, every item they sell = time and money to troubleshoot/replace, instead of selling 1 unit you expect them to send 2 and deal with double the issues/replacements and support tickets, the cost is also another factor. Control board, PSU, fans, case, etc. cost less when divided by 4 rather than 2 even if the PSU was smaller for the 2 boards unit, there is a base cost to everything they make, they will also need to pay more $ for the design and making different case sizes, all of that is extra trouble and extra cost, and while they can easily sell the gears as they are, they will never go out of their way and do any of that.


I imagine these gears to sell extremely fast, with all the noobs jumping in to buy the legendary 110TH miners without running the numbers, I am also sure they will release these prior to the halving to sell as many as they can, the halving is here and it will hit pretty hard, it will destroy many dreams and probably shut down a lot of farms, my plan is to wait for these gears to hit the market, then comes the halving, prices of older gears will be a lot cheaper, then buy all the S17 pros I can afford.

[philipma1957]

Yeah buying cheap s17 pros  sounds good.

I think I am going to trying to make 3 units from 1. s19pro   get taserz to program them to do lower watts  like 900 and do 36th

then see if there is a market for a 36th 900watt miner. for home owners.

these will not be cheap  as  3 boards need 3 cases and 3 psu's and 3 controllers.

I estimate a controller and a psu to be  250 usd .  A case may be only 50 with modding a set of s9's and adding 4 new fans

so add 300 in parts for 1 unit 600 in parts for 2 units.

so a 2400 miner add 600 = 3000 in parts for 3x 36 th 900 watt miners.  so add 200 for my profit labor and design. Then 50 to ship it maybe I could sell a model at 1250.  that would be 3750 for 3  or 2400 for the loud one.

It is a fair markup for a custom pretested design with preloaded software. I would even kick a piece of this back to kano and ck since they kind of did cgminer which bitmain robbed. calling it bminer.

most likely it is just a pipe dream on my part.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Agreed but at 8500 a coin the new model does not look very special.

In 65-70 days ½ ing comes and the new gear barely turns a profit.

true - but my guess is that right after halving there will be newer versions.

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I would do it as well but I would not want anything other than official firmware - would the original firmware not work if there is only one hash board installed?

[philipma1957]

I have zero idea what s19 pro   firmware will do.

But if I make a ⅓  miner for home mining I have to make it not that loud.

If the s19 pro has 1 speed.  I will need after market.

[MoparMiningLLC]

even at 1/2 or 1/3 it will be quieter and even then if it still as loud as an s9 - it will still sell i bet because will want the power draw that is close to a s9 in lpm but with like triple the hash power. I might end up doing one just so i can run it as 3 miners - cuz I sure as hell cannot run it as 1 miner with over 3k watts.

[Thetaj]

If the price is around 3k, it would make much more sense to use the S17s still no? You'd most likely break even and even turn a profit till the next machine comes

[philipma1957]

As to what  you  should buy next.

S17 pro with 3 speeds

s19 pro with 1 speed

I would buy an s17 pro with 3 speeds.

Basically buying s19 pro with 1 speed means you are going to need to use aftermarket firmware.

I have a mix of

s7ln      1 piece
s9       19 pieces
s9i        4
s9k       4
s15       1
s17       1
s17pro 14

t15        1
t17        2
t17e      2
t17+      1

avalon
a721     1
a1041   2
a1066   2

whatsminer
m10     2
m20     2
m21s   1

innosilcon
t2t24    1
t3t39    1
t3t50    1

and  of all that gear above  I need to run 6 units at less then top speed or they overheat and crash.

So to me  I will get:

1 s19 pro
1 s19

work with them  decide if they are okay.   If they have 1 speed they are not okay.

I will look for a low priced s17 pro with 3 speeds.

I do not use any aftermarket firmware on all of the above

except for 1 s9 it has braiins.

having a 3 speed s17 pro or s19 pro if it does that  is my choice going forward.

My 14 s17 pros are all under paypal warranty so I do not fuck with aftermarket firmware.

[Thetaj]

If anything, Bitmain will probably make some new machines right after the S19 seeing as it is probably using the same old chip (as tazers suggested) just tuned way down. After the halvening there is a high chance that we will finally see 25w/th

[potificate]

My 14 s17 pros are all under paypal warranty so I do not fuck with aftermarket firmware.

Could you explain how the Paypal warranty works? It's been a while since I've used them, but I thought that they were anti-crypto.

[devindeysel]

when they launched it's come in sometime 95t 93t 90t for S19

like s17+ 73t officially come. after that they sell 67t 70t.

sometime they force to change to another T what they have

[mgoz]

Could you explain how the Paypal warranty works? It's been a while since I've used them, but I thought that they were anti-crypto.

He is probably referring to an extended warranty program available through their credit cards. PayPal by itself only allows you to file a claim within 180 days, but wouldn't cover a device that stopped working. You're only covered for significantly not as described or items not received.

[philipma1957]

PayPal does case by case on items that don't work.

Ie

If you ordered 100 of these and make 25 claims basically fuck you we are not helping.

But if you ordered 14 (like I did ) and make a claim for one on month five you will most likely win out.

But I am a power ebay/paypal user since 2003.  I have over 1 million dollars in buys and sells with very few claims.

So I may get better treatment then most people.

[taserz]

I have zero idea what s19 pro   firmware will do.

But if I make a ⅓  miner for home mining I have to make it not that loud.

If the s19 pro has 1 speed.  I will need after market.

Probably only needs the exhaust fans too. Aka 2 fans not 4.

[mgoz]

PayPal does case by case on items that don't work.

How successful have you been in filing claims with items that stopped working or broke? I've been on eBay since the 90s with 100% positive buyer/seller feedback rating. I know PayPal's standard buyer protection is not a product or service warranty and used to state so in their policies. They'll also deny a claim if you can't return the item in the same condition it was received.

I had one guy a few years ago attempt to scam me on last day of 30-day return period on a miner I sold through eBay claiming he fried a hash board. eBay sided with me because he couldn't return it in the condition received based on his own statements. I doubt there was any damage to it because he also refused to provide any photos and stopped communicating, while escalating for review.

Unless you received it DOA or damaged, I don't see how they'd ever side with you unless they ignore their own policies or you lie. Breaking after use would be manufacturer warranty (if one exists), and with Bitmain, that's pretty much non-existent for any kind of board damage.

[AlecMe]

I am afraid to do a gestimateROI for these do to the halving.

based on:
Antminer S17+ 67TH/s - $23/TH (@40W/TH); and
Antminer T17+ 55TH/s - $16.50/TH (@50W/TH)
plus shipping 21-30, Apr. 2020 and previous antminer experience of selling new gear while having pended orders at a later date makes me think...

Could mean that Antminer S19 Pro 110TH/s - should cost between $1850 to $2500 based on the TH current price.

Will probably get one not to remain behind