Don't buy facemasks for the coronavirus!

[aioc]

Not everyone here in our country can buy this 3M made mask, majority of people are wearing mask made of cloth because it's now mandatory for us to wear masks whenever we go out, whatever masks will that be, as long as we can keep our nose and mouth from spitting droplets because everyone here is potentials carriers  

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[Spendulus]

You look scary. But in a medical Metter like this, the choice of protection cannot be based on scary looking.

Better to be live and look scary than be handsome in coffin. Some life-hack for you. Instead of using costly 3M filters attached to 3M respirator you can place small pieces of medical cotton  into compartments with membranes  for inhaled breath and cover them with the shreds of papers used for ULPA filters. In turn that coverings cab be fixed tightly  by rubber bands of appropriate diameter. I'm using bands cut off from the end of children balloons.

Good comment, but why should I believe you are correct?

If you can show a simple method to test the efficiency of your materials when used as described, that would be quite valuable. I'm good with making filters for the masks, but if I run out and make them, I'll have devised a testing method to insure that my product does perform adequately. Otherwise a person would be relying on sheer guess work and essentially killing himself.

[BADecker]

You really need to buy facemasks for the coronavirus!










 

[nutildah]

Flat out bad advice to not buy a face mask.

The best arguments against wearing the mask I've seen come down to: "well, it doesn't stop the virus completely, so might as well not wear one."

This is just nonsense. Whatever precautions can be taken to slow down the transmission of the virus should be taken. Probably the best evidence for why masks should be worn is looking at the infection rates for mask wearing versus non-mask wearing countries.



Why masks lower COVID-19 deaths

Masks aid in decreasing COVID-19's virality by three pathways.

- Decreasing virus spread by infected individuals. The mask traps virus particles on the inside, preventing the virus particles becoming airborne. Protect others.
- Decreasing new infections by uninfected individuals. The mask prevents airborne virus particles being inhaled from the outside. Protect yourself.
- Limiting hand to face contact. The mask puts a physical barrier between potentially contaminated hands and passages to one's lungs.

Now, you can say this information is incorrect and just propaganda set forth by "big mask," or you could just use common sense in realizing that putting _any_ sort of physical shield (even a piece of bread) in front of your mouth and nose slows down transmission of airborn particles that might otherwise enter those orifices.

Where I live, wearing a mask outside is absolutely required. Even if its just a cloth mask or a bandana, you _must_ have one, as something is absolutely better than nothing. And its just a courtesy to others to stop your phlegm, mucous and spit from shooting freely into the open.

[Spendulus]

You look scary. But in a medical Metter like this, the choice of protection cannot be based on scary looking.

Better to be live and look scary than be handsome in coffin. Some life-hack for you. Instead of using costly 3M filters attached to 3M respirator you can place small pieces of medical cotton  into compartments with membranes  for inhaled breath and cover them with the shreds of papers used for ULPA filters. In turn that coverings cab be fixed tightly  by rubber bands of appropriate diameter. I'm using bands cut off from the end of children balloons.

Good comment, but why should I believe you are correct?

If you can show a simple method to test the efficiency of your materials when used as described, that would be quite valuable. I'm good with making filters for the masks, but if I run out and make them, I'll have devised a testing method to insure that my product does perform adequately. Otherwise a person would be relying on sheer guess work and essentially killing himself.

Well, such testing methods require sophisticated equipment and reagents. I hardly think you have that at home. However you can switch on your logic and compare the size (~ 0.12  µm,) of Covid with that one for pores (~0.1  µm) in ULPA  paper which is widely used in bacteria oriented filters. Besides, airborne viruses have a tendency  to form conglomerates that increases the dangerous particle size by 2x-3x times. You  can advance and use 2-3 layers of that paper. The 0.5 - 1 cm thick piece of medical cotton adds extra protection layer. Sure DYOR.

No (again).  No to someone's assertions on the internet regarding how to make a workable filter material.

Testing is required, and I am of the opinion it can be done without "sophisticated equipment and reagents."

Conversely, if it does require special gear, then prove it.

[Cratoon]

Flat out bad advice to not buy a face mask.

I strongly agree. People shouldn't be embarrassed wearing a mask, and they shouldn't simply "take their chances" with their and other peoples lives. Even if their country situation is currently not severe, preventive measures can save lives and give an example to other people.

If you are still able to buy masks -- stock on 3 - 5 of them, and dry them in a warm place for 3 full days after each use. Using a UV light source for sterilization of the masks is very effective, but you should make sure that your mask filters can be treated with UV, since some of them deteriorate on UV.

Please wear a mask, ignore any weird looks if you're wearing respirator. With mask you increase your chances of not being infected, and believe you Don't want to get infected. If you do - you simply don't have enough information about the threats that this virus presents to population of our beloved Earth.

[Spendulus]

No (again).  No to someone's assertions on the internet regarding how to make a workable filter material.

Testing is required, and I am of the opinion it can be done without "sophisticated equipment and reagents."

Conversely, if it does require special gear, then prove it.

Well, then conduct that testing yourself if you believe that is not hard task for your to test the   virus penetration  through materials. The stuff  used in my home designed filter has been described above. But before you start I would advise you to familiarize yourself  with requirements  for  such kind of procedures. https://www.astm.org/Standards/F1671.htm  Good luck in testing.

Sure, thanks. I consider it very important to actually know what you are doing, instead of relying on guesswork. Looks like other people are looking into it.

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258525804_Testing_the_Efficacy_of_Homemade_Masks_Would_They_Protect_in_an_Influenza_Pandemic

[madnessteat]

I recently watched a video of a guy testing masks and respirators to try to smell substances such as acetone, gasoline, and solvent. He said that if you manage to smell acetone/gasoline/solvent in a mask/repirator, that mask/repirator will not protect you from coronavirus. What do you think of this test?

[Spendulus]

I recently watched a video of a guy testing masks and respirators to try to smell substances such as acetone, gasoline, and solvent. He said that if you manage to smell acetone/gasoline/solvent in a mask/repirator, that mask/repirator will not protect you from coronavirus. What do you think of this test?

That's ridiculous. These are "volatiles" which mean they are molecules in vapor form in the air. There are specific cartridges for the 3M masks for volatiles, which are extremely important say for painters and those working with various chemicals.

There are other cartridges for small particles. Actually there's a large variety of cartridges for different purposes.

As the absolute simplest example of this, ANY cloth-based or paper-based filter material could not stop volatile solvent fumes. Here is a link to some of these available from 3M.

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/All-3M-Products/Safety/Personal-Safety/Personal-Protective-Equipment/Reusable-Respirators/Cartridges-Filters/?N=5002385+8709322+8711017+8711405+8720539+8720550+8720746+3294857497&rt=r3

[Spendulus]

...Molecule of acetone is around 1 nm small while the size of covid is ~ 0.12  µm  i.e. ~ 12 nm. That is why the filters designed to protect against viruses will not protect you from odors. There are special filters filled with nanporous stuff capable to absorbs molecules of odors.

0.12 um = 120 nm

But acetone travels around as a gas while the cover is quite likely to be associated with water micro drops and such, so the true gap in side even bigger.

[Chrystora123]

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[Hulhala15]

I do not know why the heck people are just bringing in more and more complications. Telling people that thenormal masks  won actually help them only increases the panic that they already have. I am sure that even though the normal masks dont provide that much protection, they are better than nothing. That mask you have recommended looks like a gaming equipment, how can I wear that thing in public. It would just seem weird, the normal mask will do, all you need to do is stay with in a safe distance when next to a person. If a person is wearing a mask then they will probably sneeze in their own mask,the germs wont get to you.

[squatz1]

I'm assuming this has been discussed on here by now, but the CDC has changed their directive regarding facemasks and is now recommending that all people wear facemasks when they're out of the house. It's NOT to protect you from getting the coronavirus, because JackG has correctly pointed out that these masks won't help, but it will stop you from spreading the virus to others.

CDC Directive: https://theconversation.com/the-cdc-now-recommends-wearing-a-mask-in-some-cases-a-physician-explains-why-and-when-to-wear-one-135590

So yeah, just wear one. You can make them from home with an old shirt and some rubber bands.

[tvbcof]

U.S. using super-power status to forcibly take all the masks their owners/controllers want:  https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1247607368873017345

Meanwhile, in New York:  Baruch Feldheim.  Boruch?  Anyway, I wonder how many of the appropriated medical supplies even made it to the physical geographic location of the Promised Land?

[vladimirhf]

it's amazing that people spreading fake news and disinformation receive merits from a merit source... this forum section looks like a madhouse. Nowadays every kind of shit is equated with scientific knowledge and we will see the results in the short term.

let's draw then and I hope people can get it:

[Twinkledoe]

it's amazing that people spreading fake news and disinformation receive merits from a merit source... this forum section looks like a madhouse. Nowadays every kind of shit is equated with scientific knowledge and we will see the results in the short term.

let's draw then and I hope people can get it:

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Based from your images, it shows that it is always better to use face mask, to lessen the percentage of contagion. Though it might not totally eliminate the possibility of spreading, at least lower the numbers here. So what it is saying is wear your face mask, your doing good for yourself and to others. Will not hurt you in anyway by wearing it.

[BADecker]

it's amazing that people spreading fake news and disinformation receive merits from a merit source... this forum section looks like a madhouse. Nowadays every kind of shit is equated with scientific knowledge and we will see the results in the short term.

let's draw then and I hope people can get it:

https://i.postimg.cc/B6cHVStN/EX5-Jxl8-Wo-AAg-E9-U.jpg

Doctors know that masks are for protecting others from bacteria. Personally I would suspect that masks somehow stop a little bit of virus, as well. But the doctors will tell you that viruses go right through them.

[LTU_btc]

it's amazing that people spreading fake news and disinformation receive merits from a merit source... this forum section looks like a madhouse. Nowadays every kind of shit is equated with scientific knowledge and we will see the results in the short term.

let's draw then and I hope people can get it:

https://i.postimg.cc/B6cHVStN/EX5-Jxl8-Wo-AAg-E9-U.jpg

I'm not saying that masks is completely useless, but numbers in this image looks so random. I haven't heard about any scientific research which would prove that these numbers is right. There is many factors which may change these numbers into one or other side.
I think that in crowded places like shops or public transport, but I think it's not needed in the streets at all.
And, WHO still don't recommend to wear it for helthy people, here is quote from their website:

If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.
Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing

[tvbcof]

This 'covid-19' charade, and especially the 'new normal', is primarily a psychological exercise designed to create a sort of a mass psychosis.

Humans (and other primates) cover their faces as an exhibition of shame among other feelings.  Similar for social distancing where it is more a demonstration of disgust.  There also can a spiritual element to such operations.  How much of a factor that is here is yet undetermined.  I would say that the goal is to 'soften us up' for something truly horrific and we've not seen anything yet.

I suspect that the '2nd wave' will be something truly dangerous such as smallpox which they've been working on (in the lab and in the mainstream media) for a few decades now.  Smallpox would be interesting to me because I believe that it was a shot that I did have in infancy and was at the trailing edge of those who received it back in the 1960's.

This 'covid-19' is an obvious sham, and more and more people can see it.  There-in lies the danger.  If/when 'they' hit us with a real one a lot fewer people will take it seriously now.  That might be the design goal.  I, for one, AM going to take the promised '2nd wave' quite seriously, and more than I took 'SARS-ncov' when it was first promoted.  Enough so that I am already looking to buy a place in a rural environment.  What the 'SARS-cov-2' hoax showed is that there is not possible way to isolate against highly infectious diseases in an urban environment no matter how hard people try.

'These people' who are running this thing want a population level of about 1/10th of the current worldwide levels.  That means 9 out of every 10 of us need to die.  It probably means also that those who would cause problems in the future much smaller societies will die more.  That these people were able _and willing_ to do the 'covid-10' scam with such ease tells me that they will have no difficulty or compunction about getting the population levels that they have been arguing for for a century or so.

[BADecker]

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