Kawbet belongs to 1xbet/1xbit (known scammers) - Plz support flag!

[pilosopotasyo]

They have an announcement in Pilipinas local board : Pianaka unang bitcoin casino sa pinas! -Kawbet.com  First Bitcoin Casino in the Philippines,
are those other sites we associate with kawbet are also Filipinos or are they doing a collaboration?

I'm sure they will come out with an explanation or they will not, there is no shortcut to clear the allegations but the truth, and if they don't have it, then that settles everything.

[logfiles]

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I do understand that the people behind Kawbet might not be having any ill intentions (it's really hard to know for now since we had a smartmixer shock recently) and for the sake of not making any rush judgement from my side, i decided not to leave a negative feedback or support the flag for until i know what we are dealing with.

But if this whole thing of sharing the service provider thing is true then there is a big problem for them. Since the addresses are the same, it implies that betb2b are the one's in control of the deposited funds including other operations like approving withdrawal requests.

Now that players have had problems with betb2b partners in the past (1xbet/1xbit), how is it going to be different with Kawbet?
These are the kind of things the Kawbet team should be trying to clear out here, but they seem reluctant to do so and with each day that passes, things will become harder to resolve.

[nutildah]

This entire experience gave me the answer of thinking how all these bookies works together to sync in an event.

There are central service providers, the job of the service providers are to support with all the logistics and everything. Obviously they are the one who controls the industry.

It's like the way an air ticket booking system works or a hotel management system works. You take the data from the service providers and build up your own business.

In the case of Kawbet, I think this is the same happened. The service provider is in control of the money and using the reference, they are paying the bookies who are doing business using their API. In this case it seems Kawbet, 1xbet and some other bookies.

I don't understand why the funds would go straight to the "service provider." Seems like they should go to a casino first who then later pays the provider for their services. Every other sportsbook I've ever heard of is in control of their own funds and pay expenses accordingly.

If they have multiple sportsbooks as clients, why would the service provider designate their Bitshares wallet name as "x1bit"? In Bitshares, wallets can be set up as "account names" which makes it easier to remember and know who you are sending funds to -- seems odd that they would set it up like that.

Perhaps I'm not getting everything...

[AB de Royse777]

I don't understand why the funds would go straight to the "service provider." Seems like they should go to a casino first who then later pays the provider for their services. Every other sportsbook I've ever heard of is in control of their own funds and pay expenses accordingly.

If they have multiple sportsbooks as clients, why would the service provider designate their Bitshares wallet name as "x1bit"? In Bitshares, wallets can be set up as "account names" which makes it easier to remember and know who you are sending funds to -- seems odd that they would set it up like that.

Perhaps I'm not getting everything...

I have shared my case studies which I had when I was interested to have my own sportsbook. They did not tell me clear cut everything but those were my picks from the entire experience. I was able to pick matches to add in the demo site and was able to do certain things as admin and it was looking like same as bet365 for me. After seeing all these I was convince that more or less all the bookies use some common source, some service providers. They (the bookies) really do not control the back end of the site.

There could be some error in my picks too. So please do not take my understanding as a fact or how this industry really works. We have some other sportsbook around us, may be them can tell us too how their business works (of course it's their choice if they want to engage with this discussions).

Now let's talk about the accused site here. There are few things I am also thinking such as like you said wallet name as "x1bit". << could be a poor setting for the customization?

We really need to hear the inputs from Kawbet, may be they need an English representative if language is an issue for them.

[efialtis]

Fact is... for now anyone depositing funds over there is taking a risk. In addition to all red flags, their handling of the situation until now has been pathetic. Not only aren’t they replying to the very simple questions me and others have raised... Sorry there are too many ifs and I just can’t believe that - I am asking them once again to come out and prove me wrong!

I mean... Imagine you recently launched a new and absolutely legitimate business and shortly after that, you are being accused wrongfully... Would you act the way they do in this very case?!?!?! Provided you have nothing to hide?! And the situation here isnt even super-complex...

Ask yourselves guys: Under these circumstances, would you recommend your friends/family/colleagues using Kawbet, depositing money on their site? If you wouldnt, then please support the flag... as thats what its all about...

Last but not least: if it was true it’s „standard“ with independent betb2b brands to have all deposits go straight to betb2b, well, that wouldn’t make the situation any better...

There is just too much shit and they have only been around for a few weeks? Their actions speak for themselves...

Kawbet, can you please respond?!?!

Nb. Still negative feedback from their campaign manager, can dt plz support?

[DireWolfM14]

To Royse777's point;

this software is provided by betb2b which also handles other related sites.

Has anyone had any experience with BetB2B?  According to the whois data the domain url was created in June of 2017.  There is no information about a team, or any reference to ownership.  According their website they are registered in Curacao, and the licensed address is listed as Perseusweg 27 A, Curacao, but according to Google Maps this address is in the trees.  They list their Curacao license as 8048/JAZ2017-066.  Also, I'm no expert on web development, but their website looks like it was made using a common template, and the tab title is "Constructor."  I don't know, but the whole thing looks like a shady, fly-by-night operation to me.

[efialtis]

To Royse777's point;

this software is provided by betb2b which also handles other related sites.

Has anyone had any experience with BetB2B?  According to the whois data the domain url was created in June of 2017.  There is no information about a team, or any reference to ownership.  According their website they are registered in Curacao, and the licensed address is listed as Perseusweg 27 A, Curacao, but according to Google Maps this address is in the trees.  They list their Curacao license as 8048/JAZ2017-066.  Alos, I'm no expert on web development, but their website looks like it was made using a common template, and the tab tittle is "Constructor."  I don't know, but the whole thing looks a shady, fly-by-night operation to me.

Thanks for the input and the research mate - they are shady as hell, this is the worst group in online gambling... and thats also what I meant before... lets assume (I highly doubt it but anyway) Kawbet is not run by those criminals directly and/or is not working for them directly, its not like that would even make a big difference, is it?! If 1xbet/1xbit are responsible for all financial matters etc., its almost the same actually...

[nutildah]

I'm hoping for removal of negative feedback in my account.

You should probably do the same for efialtis if you want yours removed.

[posi]

Thru the message number references?

Deposits without messages/with incorrect messages will be lost!

The agent of the service provider who was in contact with me, gave me a demo script that was looking like exactly how bet365 works and they were saying this scrip will cost me $25k and I will have to give them 25% or something of the profits I make. Which means they have all the controls of the script what I do is that I get the frond end that will be provided to me and will do whatever I need to do to make the gambling site (mine) profitable for me.

This entire experience gave me the answer of thinking how all these bookies works together to sync in an event.

There are central service providers, the job of the service providers are to support with all the logistics and everything. Obviously they are the one who controls the industry.

Youre about the agent which acted as a central controller or service provider because i have also done some research either when planning to create my own sport analysis/prediction and news site but a sport Booker having the same deposit address is definitely not an issue that have to do with the service provider.
This is something that have to do with business and no professional service provider gave a single account to multiple business owner if the business wasnt own by a sign person.

I dont support the flag but i believe the OP claim was truth.

Note : 1xbet and 1xbit was once accused of using the same template etc and now the same deposit address.

[DarkStar_]

I don't understand why the funds would go straight to the "service provider." Seems like they should go to a casino first who then later pays the provider for their services. Every other sportsbook I've ever heard of is in control of their own funds and pay expenses accordingly.

Yup. Betcoin/PlayBetr/Coinbet.ag use the same software provider (that handles both sports and casino bets AFAIK) but hold funds themselves. BetKing and BitDice both use(d) BetConstruct software but handle(d) deposits and bankroll themselves. 888tron uses 1xbet software but handles deposits themselves. A lot of Bitcoin books use Sportradar's odds feed, but of course Sportradar doesn't take deposits directly.

[tmfp]

Here is another one using the same bitshares deposit address:
https://casino-z.com/

edit: there are many more:
https://bet-1xsport.com/
https://lordbetting.com/
https://betwinner.com
https://melbet.com/
https://playwetten.com/
...

As well as betwinner.com, these sites all show

[LTU_btc]

These excuses made by Kawbet just looks ridiculous. Ok, they aren't same as 1xbit. But they didn't bothered to tell why deposit addresses is same as on other 1xbit platforms. There is so many gambling websites around the world made by same software providers. But I never saw not affiliated websites made by same software provider using same addresses for deposits.
I don't understand Filippino, but if Google Translate don't lie, their request to opposite flag looks so stupid. They are saying that accussations against them are made by paid shills of other gambling websites to remove their new competitor. Is it best what they can tell in this situation? What a great PR...

[JollyGood]

Kawbet uses the same software as 1xbit provided by betb2b, this accusation clearly misses the point that different operators handle is turnkey projects.
Clearly these people that are trying to drag down new casino/ sportsbook projects are from the same company/ related projects .

Sorry to disappoint you but that explanation you gave by accusing users of the forum trying drag down a new casino is highly offensive because you have no evidence to back up what you say. To accuse members of sabotage is a knee-jerk reaction from you which seems very much excessive because your role in all this (correct me if I am wrong) was to be the campaign manager and nothing else.

There is evidence to be highly suspicious of exactly what is going on and it has been highlighted in this thread, the primary concern being identical deposit addresses for multiple websites regardless of whether they use the same software or operated by the same group. That is something that just is not normal practice in these types of gaming websites.

Some of these websites are down, seems possible the creation of the thread had something to do with it:




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[efialtis]

Kawbet uses the same software as 1xbit provided by betb2b, this accusation clearly misses the point that different operators handle is turnkey projects.
Clearly these people that are trying to drag down new casino/ sportsbook projects are from the same company/ related projects .

Sorry to disappoint you but that explanation you gave by accusing users of the forum trying drag down a new casino is highly offensive because you have no evidence to back up what you say. To accuse members of sabotage is a knee-jerk reaction from you which seems very much excessive because your role in all this (correct me if I am wrong) was to be the campaign manager and nothing else.

There is evidence to be highly suspicious of exactly what is going on and it has been highlighted in this thread, the primary concern being identical deposit addresses for multiple websites regardless of whether they use the same software or operated by the same group. That is something that just is not normal practice in these types of gaming websites.

Some of these websites are down, seems possible the creation of the thread had something to do with it:


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All three are working fine for me - guess its based on location.

I think we have said it all by now, kawbet as well as their campaign manager (who is still opposing) obviously dont even bother answering our questions. Says a lot doesnt it? My conclusion at this point: No matter what, they are not to be trusted right now!

Nb. Lots of users here on bitcointalk have been/are being banned for plagiarism, no? Just saying, actually I dont think banning them would help but may even be counter productive.  Edit: Never mind, they have of course deleted that post/thread by now and I didnt archive it, anyway, wouldnt have been a good idea anyway.

[JollyGood]

Yes you are right. They have something IP based going on, yes they work depending on location but the whole thing about single deposit addresses is very strange to say the least.

All three are working fine for me - guess its based on location.

I think we have said it all by now, kawbet as well as their campaign manager (who is still opposing) obviously dont even bother answering our questions. Says a lot doesnt it? My conclusion at this point: No matter what, they are not to be trusted right now!

Nb. Lots of users here on bitcointalk have been/are being banned for plagiarism, no? Just saying, actually I dont think banning them would help but may even be counter productive.  Edit: Never mind, they have of course deleted that post/thread by now and I didnt archive it, anyway, wouldnt have been a good idea anyway.

[tmfp]

Slightly off topic, but bear in mind these are the people that Kawbet confirm as suppliers of their platform and back office.



1xBet were shut down in the UK by the Gambling Commission last August.
They had been sponsoring top flight football teams, Tottenham, Liverpool and Chelsea which drew attention and a critical article in the Sunday Times, which described them as a "Russian Company."

the reports of withholding funds, not paying out to winning customers and offering a highly suspicious amount of markets on children’s football matches confirmed suspicions they were still a rogue bookmaker.

The Gambling Commission also said

We are investigating 1xBet and its ties to supplier FSB Technology.

FSB sound exactly like BetB2B, a white label platform provider

Everything you need to operate a competitive omnichannel gaming business.
Our fully managed solution is the answer. You get a powerful sportsbook, hundreds of casino games and a user-friendly customer registration platform and wallet.

This thing's turning into a rabbithole....

[AB de Royse777]

Check the image, it says Betb2b by 1xbet. Does this means 1xbet own this service provider?

Just a thought:
Sponsoring all these football clubs means 1xbet has huge budget for marketing and indeed they have a very large marketing budget. I have seen their ads in tele and in online you will see their ads in fact they are all over. All these costs a lot of money.

Did they make all these money only from 1xbet site?

I am trying to figure out how it's possible to be that big and still you let others (service providers) to control your funds, give them certain amount of commission where you can just buy them I guess.

Indeed all the things about betb2b seems a bit fishey to me. Kawbet seems another entity here.

[logfiles]

Another interesting finding here. According to the domain information 1xbet seems to be much older than betb2b which makes me wonder who runs the other?
Or should we say 1xbet switched to using betb2b when they came into the scene  

Domain:1xbet.com
Registrar: URL Solutions, Inc.
Registered On: 2006-09-01
Expires On: 2029-09-01
Updated On: 2019-11-14

Domain:1xbit.com
Registrar: Internet Domain Service BS Corp
Registered On: 2016-06-02
Expires On: 2024-06-02
Updated On: 2019-05-24

Domain: betb2b.com
Registrar: 101domain GRS Limited
Registered On: 2017-06-24
Expires On: 2020-06-24
Updated On: 2019-05-31

What I think is that 1xbet owns the so-called provider betb2b.com and this is evident with the bitshares address having the 1xbet name on it otherwise it makes no sense for a game provider to use one deposit address named 1xbet for all competing gambling sites that are using its service. Atleast if they were in control then we would be at least seeing a bitshares deposit addressed named maybe something like betb2b ... Just my thought

[tyKiwanuka]

Another little piece of evidence. I guess all those sites use the same text modules, which they are given by Betb2b, but still:

Did they make all these money only from 1xbet site?

I doubt that. But if 1xbet is indeed behind that Betb2b platform, they surely are filthy rich. It's very tempting to bet there (and at those "franchise" sites), because they are often the first ones to offer markets and early odds tend to be very imperfect.

[Baofeng]

They have an announcement in Pilipinas local board : Pianaka unang bitcoin casino sa pinas! -Kawbet.com  First Bitcoin Casino in the Philippines,
are those other sites we associate with kawbet are also Filipinos or are they doing a collaboration?

I'm sure they will come out with an explanation or they will not, there is no shortcut to clear the allegations but the truth, and if they don't have it, then that settles everything.

Right, and we did question kawbet using the name of coins.ph, as if they are affiliated with that local exchange platform. And we all know that coins.ph prohibited and against their Terms and Conditions. So it is a bit misleading coming from kawbet. But they never come back on that thread when Pilipinas board reputable members questioned them.