negative trust

[DdmrDdmr]

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Rules are Rules and Trust is Trust. There you have it; I’ve stated the obvious which is not always seen as such.

Breaking the rules (and being reported for it, or spotted proactively by admins/mods) could lead to your post getting deleted and/or your account temporarily or permanently banned. It will depend on what you’ve done that contravenes the rules, the intent, how serious it is, and the recurrence. Breaking the rules are dealt by admins and mods, and they do not imply for a negative rating (nor should they).

Negative ratings and Trust are for what’s already been highlighted on this thread before: trying to scam or very likely to in economical terms, based on some personal or collective evidence.

Unfortunately, anyone can receive negative trust on their profile for reasons that do not appeal to the spirit of the Trust System. For example, I’ve got a couple of negative ratings from some nobodies for tagging some scammers. No problem really, since anyone can read through these things, and their rating is unsubstantiated and unsubstantial (the latter in light of them not being on DT). They will not be removed, but anyone who takes them as valid is likely not interpreting the ratings properly.

In general, negative may lead others to be more wary of you, and it is often a decisive factor for vetting campaign participants. Again, it really should be pondered with the context and content of the ratings, alongside who rated you and why.

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[BayAngelo]

 Most negative feedback is as a result of lack of trust displayed by some people here incase if you want to engage with such person for transaction or anything. Feedback are necessary because some people intentionally post fake airdrops and bounties for their own selfish gains. Negative feedback can be given mistakenly and you can challange the person to prove that you are right and it can be overturn by given you are positive feedback.

[Negotiation]

So as long as you're not violating any rules in the forum you won't get one right? But what will happen if you have one? Aside from having a red trust and a negative image to other users, what's the disadvantage of it? And another question, if someone had violated a rule, do you just suddenly get a red trust without prior notice?

You are right that if you do not violate any of the rules of the forum you will not be entitled to it but if you violate the rules then you will get another Negative Trust without your prior notice. It has many disadvantages, and there are many places where you cannot work because of negative trust.

[Saisher]

I came across some threads where I found this text on the top.

Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they believe that the creator of this topic displays some red flags which make them high-risk. (Check their trust page to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution.

These warning banners will disappear when you have 7 days of login time. You should familiarize yourself with the trust system before then.

my query has two parts

1. If someone gives you a negative trust, can you fight back like proving yourself correct and removing the negative trust from your profile.
2. what advantage you get if you give someone a negative trust?

If you give some a negative feedback be sure it is reasonable or you will be reported as abusing it and worse scenario is if you are giving a bad feedback to a DT1 you will harm yourself more than you harm the one that you give feedback, don't fight back feedback if he cannot prove the allegation and if he is not part of the DT group.

[andrecalabrese]

I came across some threads where I found this text on the top.

Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they believe that the creator of this topic displays some red flags which make them high-risk. (Check their trust page to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution.

These warning banners will disappear when you have 7 days of login time. You should familiarize yourself with the trust system before then.
https://i.imgur.com/KkBFMRx.jpg

my query has two parts

1. If someone gives you a negative trust, can you fight back like proving yourself correct and removing the negative trust from your profile.
2. what advantage you get if you give someone a negative trust?

there are scammers that gives negative feedback, like bob123

[Findingnemo]

there are scammers that gives negative feedback, like bob123

Don't create personal hate for each other, this is an online forum so you can see people from different countries and they might have different views.

People trusting his feedback that is why they added into their trust list which makes him as DT member.

[Stedsm]

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1. If someone gives you a negative trust, can you fight back like proving yourself correct and removing the negative trust from your profile.
2. what advantage you get if you give someone a negative trust?

1. Yes you can, given the fact that you are actually correct and not just trolling, have complete evidence to support yourself. Being calm and patient is one other way to have that negative trust removed because you'll need patience rather than just fighting alone.

2. You won't get any advantage as your rating will only be seen to you (like when you will visit their profile and they have 0 negative ratings, it will start showing -1 to you, but to you only and not anybody else except if someone has kept you in their trust list). Other advantage is, you'll stay aware of the fact that either you don't trust that person or have some issues with them (I don't know what, but I've seen strange reasons from people while tagging some users).

there are scammers that gives negative feedback, like bob123

What made you say that about Bob123?
He had been one of the most active people in terms of spambusting, scambusting as well as possess great technical knowledge and many people (including me) on this forum are inspired by him. Do you have a single evidence to prove your words?

[philanthropist67]

So if you got negative trust from somebody it's like the end of your account jounrye here?
Because you are no entertained by any bounty program and anyone seeing your post don't trust you anymore.

[UserU]

So if you got negative trust from somebody it's like the end of your account jounrye here?
Because you are no entertained by any bounty program and anyone seeing your post don't trust you anymore.

Not necessarily, unless the numbers are huge. And by huge, even -3 is sufficient to turn many people off.

So the best way is to avoid any (trusted) red tags, or by resolving amicably with the sender(s).

[Shimmiry]

1. If someone gives you a negative trust, can you fight back like proving yourself correct and removing the negative trust from your profile.

Reporting you doesn't mean they can actually give you redtrust as long as you haven't done anything wrong nor did anything that disobeys the forum's rules and regulation. And even reporting someone whom you'd knew reported you would even make a single change with his/her reports. DT and management often checks first the validity of the report and therefore no one other than them are capable of giving you redtrusts.

2. what advantage you get if you give someone a negative trust?

Ofcourse the huge disadvantage is that having a redtrust is the disadvantage itself. LOL. Trust is a huge thing in the online world, and having a mistrust simply means you cannot be trusted thats all.

[crypto_geek55]

So the next big question is who are in DT?
Only legendry members can be DT? Who selects this panel of DTs.

[AdolfinWolf]

So the next big question is who are in DT?
Only legendry members can be DT? Who selects this panel of DTs.

No. You just need to be included by any member who is also in DT(1), and not be excluded by an equal amount of people on DT(1) (or more), Then you become DT2.

To be eligible for DT1: Read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0 (The panel who selects other users for DT2/and can kick off members of DT1)

- If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.
 - You must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.

As a special exception to the normal algorithm for determining a user's trust network, if you are on the default trust list ("DT1") but more other DT1 members distrust you than explicitly trust you, then it is as if you are distrusted by the default trust list for all purposes except for this very DT1-composition determination.

I haven't read into this before, but you can be chosen by the algorithm to be DT1, while simultaneously being voted off by other DT1 members?

What i'm trying to say is:

Even if you are distrusted by a larger n of DT1 members, considering there is only 100 slots (in the future), you will still be eligible to take up such a slot, despite never becoming DT1 due to you being excluded by other "eligible" members, if that makes sense?

If not, people could distrust entire groups, and thus make the group of eligible people smaller, in which case (if an (in)eligible member doesn't take up 1 of the 100 slots), it's rather unlikely they or their group will ever have any influence in DT1 again?
Or am i saying something obvious.

[jademaxsuy]

It is not recommended to fight or it will only get worst. The only one who can remove the negative trust is the one who give you the negative trust. If you feel that you don't deserve the negative trust then you should explain that to the one who give you the negative trust and also prove it that you don't deserve it.

[o_e_l_e_o]

You just need to be included by any member who is also in DT(1), and not be excluded by an equal amount of people on DT(1) (or more), Then you become DT2.

Slight correction: You need more exclusions than inclusions from DT1 users to be excluded from DT2. If you have equal numbers of inclusions and exclusions (giving a net score of 0), then you will be included.

I haven't read into this before, but you can be chosen by the algorithm to be DT1, while simultaneously being voted off by other DT1 members?

Correct. Just like DT1 users can include or exclude DT2 users as above, they can also do the same to fellow DT1 users. Any DT1 user with more exclusions than inclusions from fellow DT1 users will be excluded from DT1 (and potentially, but not necessarily, also from DT2). Again, as above, equal numbers of inclusions and exclusions results in an overall inclusion.

[philanthropist67]

One of the questions is still not answered. There are people in DT and they have the right to give somebody negative trust. Do people in DT get some incentive in doing such service or its just for benefit of the community?

[TryNinja]

One of the questions is still not answered. There are people in DT and they have the right to give somebody negative trust. Do people in DT get some incentive in doing such service or its just for benefit of the community?

No one gets paid for being in DT.

I have been in DT 1/2 and it didn't change anything in my life or any aspect of my account. I'm not on DT1 anymore and nothing changed, again.

People volunteer to tag scammers and that's it.

[philanthropist67]

One of the questions is still not answered. There are people in DT and they have the right to give somebody negative trust. Do people in DT get some incentive in doing such service or its just for benefit of the community?

No one gets paid for being in DT.

I have been in DT 1/2 and it didn't change anything in my life or any aspect of my account. I'm not on DT1 anymore and nothing changed, again.

People volunteer to tag scammers and that's it.

one more way to keep bitcointalk safe from scammers. there is so many scam projects caught by these DT members, salute to them.

[pixie85]

It is not recommended to fight or it will only get worst. The only one who can remove the negative trust is the one who give you the negative trust. If you feel that you don't deserve the negative trust then you should explain that to the one who give you the negative trust and also prove it that you don't deserve it.

Not true. It's always good to fight if you feel that you have not done anything wrong. Maybe you will be able to explain the case and get some supporters who will counter the negative with a positive feedback. Such things happened a few times.

If you feel like the feedback was given just to prove a point or that someone wants to damage your reputation don't be afraid to start a thread about it.

[superving]

I came across some threads where I found this text on the top.

Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they believe that the creator of this topic displays some red flags which make them high-risk. (Check their trust page to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution.

These warning banners will disappear when you have 7 days of login time. You should familiarize yourself with the trust system before then.

my query has two parts

1. If someone gives you a negative trust, can you fight back like proving yourself correct and removing the negative trust from your profile.
2. what advantage you get if you give someone a negative trust?

as long as your not  doing anything wrong they cant give you negative trust but if they saw something or you violated some of the rules they will give you negative trust . You will see referrence  link on your account , why did they give you negative trust.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…> as long as your not  doing anything wrong they cant give you negative trust but if they saw something or you violated some of the rules they will give you negative trust .<…>

Not so really …:

- You can get negative trust for not doing anything wrong. Some accounts have walls of negative trust as a means of retaliation for being scam busters, and others based on their opinions, or derived from personal vendettas. This should not happen, but it does, and it is not infrequent. The flags though are more accurate, as they have not fallen into a misuse culture (but for on exceptions).

- Breaking rules does not warrant negative trust at all. That’s what the report to moderator button is for. Trust should be commerce related in spirit, and the forum does not moderate commerce dealings (thus the Trust System, for a community based moderation through scores, feedback and flags).