50 Merit for Authentication Post

[blue Snow]

I am newbie still learning and reading all post by higher rank here and find good post earned a lot of merits, I am good and no problem about that.

But today accidentally find Authentication Post got 50 merits?, I am confusing what the point the user gets that much merit?

Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5164058.msg53886711#msg53886711
Receiver : jovan85
sender : sunce33

[1715284937]

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[TryNinja]

Probably trading merits or giving them to his alt.

The same user (receiver) also sent 25 merits back to him (sender)[1].

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219611.msg54010487#msg54010487

[ChuckBuck]

Certainly, this is the clearest example to see that there is exchange and abuse of merit here  neither of these guys has sent or received any merit in the last 120 days, except for what they did for each other 


Abuse of merit is nothing new in this forum, it always happens somewhere out there that we don't see it  This case shows abuse, it also shows that they are connected accounts. Store a bit on this topic and check if they are cheating in the same bonus campaign 

[nutildah]

Looks like merit trading, as that account immediately sent 25 merits to the account that merited him, for this post.

Did a bit of research and it appears they both belong to the same person. One account he uses for Croatian translations, the other for Serbian translations. They frequently enroll in the same bounties.

sunce33 uses the twitter handle of the same name:

Twitter:

Week: 7 (09/03/2020)-(13/03/2020)
BitcoinTalk Name: sunce33
Your Twitter Account Name: @sunce33
Your Twitter Profile Link: https://twitter.com/sunce33

jovan85 usually uses a different twitter handle but accidentally used it to enroll in one particular bounty (thread is locked):

#Proof of Authentication
Bitcointalk Username : jovan85
Bitcointalk Profile Link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=823842
Facebook Profile Link : https://www.facebook.com/ALora22
Twitter Profile Link : https://twitter.com/sunce33
Telegram : @borianm
Campaign : Facebook, Twitter, Telegram

They've been entering the same bounties since 2017.

I write on that mail :ask@athenacoin.io but I not get any answer.

I got mail:
Michal Bezvoda, Athena team
   
23 Nov (9 days ago)
Hello,
could you please check your eth wallet and confirm that you receive all athenas?
Thank you.

Michal
Athena team

I answer but nothing, how long need wait or any answer. In future I hope this project become very successful,because have good concept

Yes I got same message but not receive any reward?Why dev?I understand project not collect money from ICo, but you ask to check if I receive and answer. Any info?Thanks

I'm sure connections can be found between their ETH addresses:

sunce33 - 0x95D7dadBA22245f4fc8608c60236CbC888BAA032
jovan85 - 0x48755CA1E80b62a724C4F388c498522E7c9f1C86

Yep, sure enough, 18,441 SGC tokens moved from sunce33 to jovan85 on Nov 18, 2017. I would say there's a 95% chance these accounts belong to the same person.

I am newbie still learning and reading all post by higher rank here

Sent you 2 merits so now you can rank up -- this was a good find and I will tag both accounts.

[The Cryptovator]

Tagged both accounts.

Thanks @nutildah for provide clear evidence. I was pretty sure about their connection when I saw merit trading gap was approx 25 seconds. I was just wondering to tag and you provide full evidence. (Archived 1) (Archived 2). Trading merit between alt itself is enough to tag both accounts.

Good found @OP, try to look more deeply so it would save others time.

[blue Snow]

Thanks for the response, I read all the comments and understand now.

[btcltcdigger]

Hah this just shows to prove that you can't hide anything from people here.
Dig deep into the nether-threads, page 456456, merit something, and sure thing, 2 days later, someone will find it LOL

Good find tho

[Timelord2067]

I vaguely recall one of the merit fonts getting busted for doing pretty much the same thing not that long ago and the response was they are a merit source and can divvy up the merits as they wish.  I doubt blue Snow is such the newbie they are making themselves out to be - there's plenty of self scratching and back scratching between the DT1's of this forum.

If there was a seven day cooling off period between when merits were received and when they can be sent out, then that might just slow down this kind of exchange.

[nutildah]

I vaguely recall one of the merit fonts getting busted for doing pretty much the same thing not that long ago and the response was they are a merit source and can divvy up the merits as they wish.  

A merit source was sending merits to their alt account? Which one? That's even worse than a DT including their alt account in their trust list.

I doubt blue Snow is such the newbie they are making themselves out to be - there's plenty of self scratching and back scratching between the DT1's of this forum.

Well, he appears to be Indonesian, so that narrows down the pool quite a bit. Happy sleuthing, Watson.

[bitmover]

In my opinion 50 merit in one transaction should never happen. Way too much, no post deserves all that...

At least it is easy to track abusers this way. Good find OP.

[dragonvslinux]

I vaguely recall one of the merit fonts getting busted for doing pretty much the same thing not that long ago and the response was they are a merit source and can divvy up the merits as they wish.  

A merit source was sending merits to their alt account? Which one? That's even worse than a DT including their alt account in their trust list.

Ouch! I can only assume that was a passing shot at Timelord Jr? You should always add any mobile account you use that's insecure by default into your distrust list, no questions.
[/off topic]

[sunce33]

Hello everyone first, I just saw you give me negative trust. And I want to give you an explanation.
Under one jovan85 is not my alt account. We met in Dragon's tale game from 2014 he was my student if anybody if anyone was playing that game know relationship studen-mentor his name on game also jovan85 and every body there know him and know me, and We are neighbors, actually in our Countries, he is from Serbia and I am from Croatia. If you people know history in 1991 we were one Country (Yugoslavia - Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, Macedonia and Bosnia and Herzegovina And we speak a similar language. When the game stopped being active for me I come here and try earn some money on bounty. And I call jovan85 ,too.. We worked together, He tells me about a good bounty, I tell him.
If you look back my account sunce33 was hacked and I lost all token what I earned.
If I send tokens to jovan85, that's my personal relationship with him, or I maybe want protect my self.
I also want to say that I never traded here, never cheated on anyone, I've been fooled here many times from some members and from bounty campaign.
If the problem is merit, than admin take away merit from my account. I worked hard here to make this account and this status from February 08, 2014.
I not register yesterday. I don't understand why anyone has a problem with my account I never fooled someone or cheated any members. I never had a problem in any bounty campaign and I was never disqualified.
This is not fair i would ask the admin to delete my negative trust because I'm not a fraud, if you people need any proof, I'm ready to prove it.
And I want to say again, if any evidence is merit, please have the administrator delete merit from my account.

P.S I especially want to ask members who have given me negative trust : LeGaulois, nutildah, Coolcryptovator,
In what way did I damage you, what did I take or do to you that you took offense to me?
I do not even participate in the discussions, I have never accused anyone of anything.
I am old woman I just working on bounty and anything else. Even many of these bounties are failures and many bounty manager is scam.
I'm only guilty because having a friend here and working with him.
This is my explanation. You think what you want,. and I know what is truth.

P.S.S.Also want ask blue Snow Whose you are alt? Because you are Newbie Registered: March 01, 2020, 12:30:56 AM, and you have both fresh ETH adddress : 0xEECeB4BbFaD6334256B9c06293c41BD94659e77B and BTC : 33358AL8hrsbDu3ffxbRkxdNTV7EUHAeUS address. t is not possible that you have just heard about bitcoin and ETH and BTC.

[blue Snow]

P.S.S.Also want ask blue Snow Whose you are alt? Because you are Newbie Registered: March 01, 2020, 12:30:56 AM, and you have both fresh ETH adddress : 0xEECeB4BbFaD6334256B9c06293c41BD94659e77B and BTC : 33358AL8hrsbDu3ffxbRkxdNTV7EUHAeUS address. t is not possible that you have just heard about bitcoin and ETH and BTC.

Coinomi wallet can make those both addresses and I am a young man who almost knows Bitcoin.

you're very striking https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topreplies

[Timelord2067]

I vaguely recall one of the merit fonts getting busted for doing pretty much the same thing not that long ago and the response was they are a merit source and can divvy up the merits as they wish.  

A merit source was sending merits to their alt account? Which one? That's even worse than a DT including their alt account in their trust list.

Ouch! I can only assume that was a passing shot at Timelord Jr? You should always add any mobile account you use that's insecure by default into your distrust list, no questions.
[/off topic]

Both of you might want to read this before you further embarrass yourself:

Do's and Don'ts

• It's okay to include your alt-account on your own Trust list. This means you trust the feedback you left from that account. Example:
  

  hilariousandco Trusts these users' judgement:
  7. hilariousetc (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1725 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

• Don't include your main account from your alt account(s). This could influence DT1-voting, and although that's not part of this guide, it's bad.

But I never said a merit font was giving their alt any merits - they were busted for handing out 50 merits in one go - that's what the topic of this thread is about - nutildah is trying to rewrite history.

[Little Mouse]

This is not fair i would ask the admin to delete my negative trust because I'm not a fraud, if you people need any proof, I'm ready to prove it.

You can not ask, even if you do you will get no result because trust system is not moderated and it is decentralized. You have to continue with this negative trust or you have to request the member who gave you merit to remove the tag.

[dkbit98]

Maybe few months ago I asked sunce33 few questions in one of his translation topic and he never replied....so I assumed he is not a human being.  
I am not 100% sure regarding his merit and alt abuse, but so far it does not look good at all for him and Jovan85 with all the proof presented here.

[The Cryptovator]

I especially want to ask members who have given me negative trust : LeGaulois, nutildah, Coolcryptovator,
In what way did I damage you, what did I take or do to you that you took offense to me?

We don't have personal problems with you. Users made DT members by voting system to prevent abuse & scams. Merit trading itself is enough to tag you as I said my previous post. But on the other hand you had broke campaign rules. Your explanation isn't valid, because everyone excuse almost same after exposed. I have friends on this forum but it doesn't mean we have to use same social media accounts or btc address. I won't argue about your transaction, perhaps one could send it to others. But where you trade merit, do you really think that post deserve 50/25 merits? What is the quality had you found there? Do you know what is the uses of merits?

Your explanation isn't enough to convince me, so I am not gonna change my feedback. Continue your earning with red tag....

[dragonvslinux]

I vaguely recall one of the merit fonts getting busted for doing pretty much the same thing not that long ago and the response was they are a merit source and can divvy up the merits as they wish.  

A merit source was sending merits to their alt account? Which one? That's even worse than a DT including their alt account in their trust list.

Ouch! I can only assume that was a passing shot at Timelord Jr? You should always add any mobile account you use that's insecure by default into your distrust list, no questions.
[/off topic]

Both of you might want to read this before you further embarrass yourself:

Do's and Don'ts

• It's okay to include your alt-account on your own Trust list. This means you trust the feedback you left from that account. Example:
  

  hilariousandco Trusts these users' judgement:
  7. hilariousetc (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1725 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

• Don't include your main account from your alt account(s). This could influence DT1-voting, and although that's not part of this guide, it's bad.

But I never said a merit font was giving their alt any merits - they were busted for handing out 50 merits in one go - that's what the topic of this thread is about - nutildah is trying to rewrite history.

Interesting. I don't feel embarrassed, I feel like trusting your alt account that you yourself identify as insecure is embarrassing in itself.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, any other mobile alts you know of that I can add to my mobile's distrust list?
PS - It's not that I can't read, it's that I haven't read every single feedback left on here to know that information 
Thanks again!

[nutildah]

P.S I especially want to ask members who have given me negative trust : LeGaulois, nutildah, Coolcryptovator,
In what way did I damage you, what did I take or do to you that you took offense to me?
I do not even participate in the discussions, I have never accused anyone of anything.
I am old woman I just working on bounty and anything else. Even many of these bounties are failures and many bounty manager is scam.
I'm only guilty because having a friend here and working with him.
This is my explanation. You think what you want,. and I know what is truth.

There's a lot of instances where you both work in the same bounty, and then one address sends their tokens to the other, and then the tokens get deposited into Etherdelta. I am hesitant to unfairly red tag people, but this is a practice commonly used by alt accounts cheating bounties. Unfortunately the excuses you've provided are pretty common among those used by an account after it gets caught having alt accounts.

Even if I were to change the contents of my tag on your account, it would still be red for merit swapping. I tend to go by the guidelines established in this post when leaving negative trusts, as they are a collection of things discussed and agreed upon by much of the DT community:

Unacceptable behavior that will result in a red tag:

Attempted or successful fraud or theft.
Business activity that resulted in the loss of funds by others.
Account sales
Merit sales / swapping
Harassing a DT
Offering escrow without a track record
Asking for a no collateral loan
Shilling / advertising MLM or ponzi
Escrowing for themselves
Late loan repayments / loan defaults.

You were clearly engaged in merit swapping as the posts receiving merit are simply bounty authentication posts and not informative or useful whatsoever.

But I never said a merit font was giving their alt any merits - they were busted for handing out 50 merits in one go - that's what the topic of this thread is about - nutildah is trying to rewrite history.

You're talking about TMAN and he wasnt "busted" for anything. He sent 50 merits to a post he thought was useful, to a member he thought (at the time) was deserving of them -- NOT to a proof of authentication post. He certainly didn't get 25 merits in return for it (he got 3 from The-Devil, I just looked it up), and it wasn't from a suspected alt account. YOU are the one trying to rewrite history.

[Stalker22]

@sunce33 I hate to break it to you, but this doesn't look good. What were you thinking - that nobody will notice?
We tried to warn you a few months back, didn't we? When you posted the same translation under Serbian and Croatian subforums (and on some other forums). Isn't that cheating? And your defense is that you are not a fraud?!

What a waste of 'hero level' accounts...

Code:

https://bitcoingarden.org/forum/index.php?topic=86394.msg502548

Code:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224987.msg53816541#msg53816541

Hi
I finished Serbian translation of ANN, this is link:
https://bitcoingarden.org/forum/index.php?topic=86394.msg502548#msg502548
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51450.msg53816845#msg53816845

I post also on bitcoingarden in case the moderator deletes the post on bitcointalk, because not separate thread for Serbian language.

Please check, thank you

Hello I finished Croatian Translation of ANN and WhitePaper, please check:
Links:
ANN:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224987.msg53816541#msg53816541
WhitePaper:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QRmpAKodtW0fhz6CE1Wml3Zrw0qz2n8y/view?usp=sharing