returning to normal

[o_e_l_e_o]

Same goes to Amazon Alexa, Google Home and everything else.

This is something I just can't wrap my head around. I initially tried to explain it away as naivety. People who own these devices simply didn't know that Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, whoever, are listening all the time and collecting, storing, analyzing, sharing, selling everything that they hear. Surely all we need is to educate people as to how invasive these devices are they will be rightly horrified.

As time went on, though, I realized that isn't the case. People are completely aware of just how much their privacy is being invaded. They simply don't care. Who cares that Google listens to intimate conversations between you and your partner, if it means you can turn your lights off without having to stand up. Who cares that Amazon have a record of what you've told your doctor in confidence over the phone, if it means you can order more toilet roll without having to pick up your phone and press like 4 buttons. Who cares if Apple know all the disgusting jokes and embarrassing career-ending stories you tell with your friends in private, if it means you don't have to open the curtains to find out what the weather is. People are happy to sacrifice their privacy completely for the most minor of conveniences.

As you say, this is now the new normal. Children being raised today won't know what life is like without one of these devices in their home, recording everything they say, learning their routines, tracking their lives. This virus has accelerated the slow invasion of our privacy in more ways than one, and once the pandemic is over I expect that invasion to simply slow down again, rather than be reversed.

[Febo]

there's a new narrative emerging that life will never return to normal after the coronavirus pandemic:

I don't think people realize that there is no normal to go back to anymore.

At absolute minimum:

1) Supply & demand has been reallocated across the economy, with travel & events zero'd out, remote work & masks to infinity
2) Virus permanently changes public behavior
3) Supply chain disruption just starting

Even if the virus did vanish in a puff of smoke and everyone went "back to work", the behavior of billions of people and every country has been permanently changed.

Demand won't quickly come back, borders won't easily reopen, international relations won't be the same.

There will be the new normal. I read a post of one economist he said that we might see return to the 1945-1973 capitalism. Self sufficient and nationalised capitalism. Where lots of industry is managed and owned by government. Also taxes will be way higher.  I have no ideas how that will be possible.

[iv4n]

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There will be the new normal. I read a post of one economist he said that we might see return to the 1945-1973 capitalism. Self sufficient and nationalised capitalism. Where lots of industry is managed and owned by government. Also taxes will be way higher.  I have no ideas how that will be possible.

That's well said, there will be the new normal! People can change some habits, but we will still have to go to work, we will have where to spend money, etc... I think that real changes will be about the ways governments control people, about cash and information flows, they can name it self-sufficient or nationalized capitalism, but that will be just an old shit wrapped in new paper!
Do we need governments and politicians? Do we need their games and schemes?

[Saisher]

what do you think---are entire industries about to disappear because of the pandemic? will some aspects of the economy and general life irreversibly change after this?

or are these people just drama queens who are blowing everything out of proportion? maybe people will forget all about the coronavirus in a couple years time and nothing will change. that's what happened after the H1N1 scare.

There will be a huge change in the way we are going to live after this pandemic, we are going to have a new normal, scientist and medical experts considered this COVID 19 as a seasonal flu and will come from time to time, this time around we need to strengthen our nervous system and many products are going to launch that are health related.

[Gozie51]

or are these people just drama queens who are blowing everything out of proportion? maybe people will forget all about the coronavirus in a couple years time and nothing will change. that's what happened after the H1N1 scare.

I think if people do confirm that there are deaths around the environment they live or that their family members have been affected, this can give better information. I hear in the news that a lot of people have died from this virus. I can't say if the whole thing is dreamer or it is being exaggerated but I know it has brought the economy down.

[enhu]

Theaters could die really. After what had happened, I already got some trauma getting inside a mall so might as well add Malls in the list.

Three may have some industries that will be alive as well. Our government is encouraging us to plant vegetables in our backyards. That's quite an advise but I'm taking it seriously which is why I have some cornfield, eggplant and tomatoes growing. Soon enough I'm gonna visit a farmers market.

[eaLiTy]

what do you think---are entire industries about to disappear because of the pandemic? will some aspects of the economy and general life irreversibly change after this?

or are these people just drama queens who are blowing everything out of proportion? maybe people will forget all about the coronavirus in a couple years time and nothing will change. that's what happened after the H1N1 scare.

The COVID 19 will change many things, just for starters this is the first time in over a century that the world is panicking because of an epidemic and majority of the countries are in lock down and some of the countries are not having reserves for basic safety equipment for medical workers which is a real concern and most of the countries are investing billions of dollars for purchasing warfare and now they will focus more on health care as they now have a precedence on how an epidemic will force everything to shut down and will have an impact on the economy.

The only positive thing i saw in this lock down situation is that the Earth is recovering, Ozone layer is recovering and the pollution level is decreasing considerably which are all positive things we never knew before.

[exstasie]

Germany, Italy, the UK all talking about mass blood testing and issuing some form of "immunity certificates" to whitelist people so they can go back to work and regular social interactions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-antibodies.html?referringSource=articleShare

Seems kind of Orwellian. Is this what people are expecting? Could we start seeing job listings seeking out people who have already recovered from COVID-19?

I'm sure we will see increased remote working to whatever extent companies can bear. Telecommuting obviously works for some companies and sectors better than others. Tech companies have a big leg up in this environment.

[Big-Dude]

Returning to normal huh 

Is it going to be:
-By Cities ?
-By Age ?
-By Medical Statements ?


It is really going to take longer that expected to make things great again.

[figmentofmyass]

Theaters could die really. After what had happened, I already got some trauma getting inside a mall so might as well add Malls in the list.

people keep saying that, but i think this might ring true:

O’Meara said he’s already working on a special program of films to encourage people to come back to the multiplex once the COVID-19 pandemic is under control. He’s hopeful it won’t take long for the industry to return to full strength.

“People are going to be so sick of staying home that, once people feel safe, we’re going to be slammed,” O’Meara said. “I’ve got people saying, ‘I’m sick of Netflix,’ already.”

once things seem under control, people will probably return to the theaters. the problem is what happens if/when a brutal second wave of infections happens. that might cause people to actually change their habits, and it might cause a lot of business owners to capitulate.

let's hope it doesn't come to that. the whole "seasonal but no vaccine" thing is sort of a storm cloud hanging over all our heads.

[fabiorem]

Think very well before selling bitcoin, folks.

Its not a matter of price anymore. Read this: https://medicaltyranny.com/2020-04-03-eugenicist-bill-gates-demands-digital-certificates-coronavirus-vaccination.html

If you agree to get vaccinated with a Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine once it becomes available, in other words, then the government will grant you permission to join back up with society and resume at least some of the “normalcy” of your former life. If you don’t, however, then you’ll presumably be ostracized from the rest of the world and forced into permanent isolation, left to fend for yourself with no means to buy, sell, or conduct any type of business in order to make a living and survive.

This came from Bill Gates. Its discrimination in crude form, from the people who preach "political correctness" and "climate change".

[maydna]

I don't think entire industries will disappear, but the industries will change better than in the past. Some aspects of the economy and general life will also change, but it is hard to say if that will change irreversibly or not because the human will adapt to the current situations. But if the conditions need a human to change permanently, we will change and follow nature because a human has something that can follow what life wants.

If that is because of the drama which some people did, all people will also change and follow what will happen to the next, but they will not forget about coronavirus even in the future. They will have a database that contains about this virus so they can know what they need to do if somehow the virus comes back with a different form.

[figmentofmyass]

If you agree to get vaccinated with a Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine once it becomes available, in other words, then the government will grant you permission to join back up with society and resume at least some of the “normalcy” of your former life. If you don’t, however, then you’ll presumably be ostracized from the rest of the world and forced into permanent isolation, left to fend for yourself with no means to buy, sell, or conduct any type of business in order to make a living and survive.

This came from Bill Gates. Its discrimination in crude form, from the people who preach "political correctness" and "climate change".

americans may not realize it, but compulsory vaccination (as an emergency measure during an outbreak) has already been approved by the supreme court since the early 1900s.

bill gates is making a huge exaggeration. either we're in an active epidemic---and vaccination could be required as an emergency public health measure (probably at the state/local level)---or it wouldn't be mandatory. there is no middle ground.

vaccination can't be required to freely associate with other people (conduct business, work). those are basic constitutional rights.

[o_e_l_e_o]

people keep saying that, but i think this might ring true:

Why would people who have been stuck inside for months at a time with only the television/computer to entertain them then want to go and sit in front a movie for ~2 hours. Surely the places which will be busiest are bars, restaurants, cafes, gyms, sports centers, pools, parks, etc. All the places people haven't been able to access. I can't imagine there will be a huge influx of people leaving their house to experience more of the same at a movie, especially when a lot of movies are now being released directly to TV.

let's hope it doesn't come to that. the whole "seasonal but no vaccine" thing is sort of a storm cloud hanging over all our heads.

Yeah, this is essentially the worst case scenario - the virus enters the pool of regularly circulating human viruses, but we have no effective treatment against it. We can't stay in lock down forever, and so it will eventually spread through the majority of the population over the course of months to years, with the potential for millions of deaths. However, it seems to be a very mild illness in children, so if this were the case it could potentially end up like chickenpox, where we encourage children to catch it early in life to build immunity. Thankfully the current vaccine trials look promising.

Germany, Italy, the UK all talking about mass blood testing and issuing some form of "immunity certificates" to whitelist people so they can go back to work and regular social interactions.

This is going to encourage people to actively go and try to catch the virus, and we have zero data as to what long-term immunity against this virus is and how long it lasts.

[Betwrong]

Not sure if dark humor is appropriate here, so I apologize in advance, but here's what I saw the other day, not in English, but it translates like this:

A year from now you'll be laughing about all that fuss over the Coronavirus. Well, not all of you, of course.

On a serious note, I think we are witnessing a great experiment in attempting to diminish the number of deaths caused by respiratory diseases and infections. Over 6 million people die each year from that:



And I think due to unprecedented measures taken, this number will be much smaller for the year 2020. Then, as a consequence, it will have a positive impact on the world economy because people will feel more confident overall, seeing that things are improving.

Not an expert, nor a fortune-teller. Just my two sats.

[figmentofmyass]

people keep saying that, but i think this might ring true:

Why would people who have been stuck inside for months at a time with only the television/computer to entertain them then want to go and sit in front a movie for ~2 hours.

for the same reason it's currently a public health hazard. if you said that in los angeles, most people would look at you like you were crazy. being cooped up in your house for weeks/months =/= dinner and a movie, or an outing with the kids, or seeing the latest blockbuster films.

i guess you must be in the "movie theaters gonna die" camp.

[Janation]

It is true something will change but eventually, it will go back to normal.

This world already experienced worst than this one, this year is just has a bad start but I think it will heal soon. Time will be the indicator that it will go back to what it's used to be. Obviously people will be scared to open their country to other people immediately but without them, it would also affect the country's economy negatively.

[exstasie]

Germany, Italy, the UK all talking about mass blood testing and issuing some form of "immunity certificates" to whitelist people so they can go back to work and regular social interactions.

This is going to encourage people to actively go and try to catch the virus, and we have zero data as to what long-term immunity against this virus is and how long it lasts.

Based on similar viruses, probably 1-3 years. At least we can be pretty confident about temporary immunity amidst the vague stories about relapsing: https://time.com/5810454/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection/

If the projections are right and the curve is flattened, with daily deaths hitting zero in the next 2-3 months, then the approach probably makes sense. It's still really Orwellian though and I'm worried about the precedent it sets.

[FlightyPouch]

Well, time will heal scars but there will be a lot of things that won't heal in this pandemic. Trust, that is the most valuable thing that will not be returning to normal for a long time. This pandemic will not only test how prepared are we in this kind of problem, but it is also how would leaders and how would people react in such scenarios. The government are showing their true colors, people are affected not just by this physically but also mentally too.

[Febo]

-snip

There will be the new normal. I read a post of one economist he said that we might see return to the 1945-1973 capitalism. Self sufficient and nationalised capitalism. Where lots of industry is managed and owned by government. Also taxes will be way higher.  I have no ideas how that will be possible.

That's well said, there will be the new normal! People can change some habits, but we will still have to go to work, we will have where to spend money, etc... I think that real changes will be about the ways governments control people, about cash and information flows, they can name it self-sufficient or nationalized capitalism, but that will be just an old shit wrapped in new paper!
Do we need governments and politicians? Do we need their games and schemes?

Yes. How you will get treated then? If all hospitals are private they will simply get closed when is epidemic. Without government they cant be nationalised as are right now in Spain. Without government you cant order Ford to produce respirators.  Governments are essential. New normal will be fat governments controlling whole industries.  A lot of place for corruption.