Can we trust user that spread false and dangerous news on COVID19?

[snipie]

-"THEY" are going to put the Microchips

I missed this one  Apparently people in the sites i visit has a little bit more brain cells than expected (~0) to not mention this in their discussion... My bad!
Seriously Microchips? to follow them or to control their empty head?
@The Pharmacist, you already know this tho but it is very hard sometimes to convince some people how stupid and silly the ideas they have... It reminds me of this sad joke: I spent hours explaining to my neighbour the importance of social distancing and once I finished, he kissed me twice and said i understand you now

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[LTU_btc]

Welcome to Politics & Society board . As I remember, some users been posting such stuff there long time before pandemy. Some users just love to make conspiracy theories about everything - 5G, vaccines, masons, flat earth and etc. They even use reference for their statements, usually it's random unknown blog or some Youtube videos.
I'm not sure what can be done with these users. Theymos values freedom of speech, so censorship probably isn't an option. Maybe using facts and some common sense could be an option to counter their nonsense.

[PrimeNumber7]

I would respond to the OPs inquiry with a question....

Would it be safe to follow advice or deal with someone who is spreading the misinformation?

If someone is saying you should drink bleach to protect yourself, this advice is dangerous and this person should not be trusted. This is not unlike someone advising to post your private keys on the internet- you are going to have your money stolen from you.

If someone is saying that coronavirus is caused by 5G, they are just stupid but probably harmless.

If someone is spreading the lie that coronavirus originated in the US, they are intentionally lying to you in order to cover their own incompetence, if not worse. This is akin to a business accepting deposits, going insolvent and telling its customers that some other business owes their customers their coin.

[bitbollo]

These are not "politically" opinions, I mean, if you say "a pie in the sky" at least you should have a minimum of evidence.

My country (Italy) has been really devastated by these events.
Sharing these crappy argumentations will not give any help, but create only FUD since not all people are able to detect a fake information from a real one.
Plus other users can't talk about serious matters since there is everywhere "fried air" and not thought or fact related this pandemic events.

Bear in mind, I never talk about censorship, but freedom doesn't mean "I am free to harm someone".
Why we give negative trust for Ponzi or fake casino?
Yeah, it's pretty clear, we are all aware that there is not that can give these economic gains.

Is not the same when someone is posting fake information and/or dangerous treatment about COVID19?

[bct_ail]

The problem with fake news does not only exist in this forum.  It exists everywhere where you talk to people or read about it. Everybody has the right to be wrong. But it is then our duty to point them out. Surely the "fanatics" will not be convinced any more. But those who are only marginally interested in conspiracy theories can still be convinced with facts.

[suchmoon]

Is not the same when someone is posting fake information and/or dangerous treatment about COVID19?

No, it's not the same. I wouldn't hesitate to red-trust someone who attempts to sell some miracle treatment for covid-19 because that'd be quite obviously a scam. There are some ICOs and other bullshit attempts to make money from this crisis so those are fair game for red trust I think. However just posting stupid stuff shouldn't invoke red trust.

Think about this way - most likely such users are trolls (a bunch of those wackos in P&S have been posting nonsense for a long time before covid-19) and trolls thrive on attention. Red trust is not going to stop them from posting, quite the opposite probably.

[tomahawk9]

I hate to say it, and I hate that this is true, but if a newbie spread false information about anything you'd be far more inclined to question it, but if it was a user like theymos as an example, you'd be far more likely to believe it without further investigation.

In Psychology we call this tendency "Authority bias". Pretty scary what authority figures (individuals or groups) can do and/or accomplish just because people perceive them as authority. As the saying goes "with great power comes great responsibility", unless you're a politician or the mainstream media, then you can do whatever you want with that power, but I digress...

Why we give negative trust for Ponzi or fake casino?
Yeah, it's pretty clear, we are all aware that there is not that can give these economic gains.

Is not the same when someone is posting fake information and/or dangerous treatment about COVID19?

No one's gonna give those users a neg tag (difference in opinions doesn't merit a neg tag), their posts are not going to be deleted (they're not breaking any rules AFAIK), and mods/admins will not prohibit discussing/posting such things like conspiracy theories or like you say "crappy arguments" in this forum because, as @Welsh said, censorship is a no go.

Now, can't you just put those users on your ignore list? Hear me out...It seems like this actually upsets you and it's understandable, you live in italy and we all know what's going on over there, but for your own mental health, just ignore those users, yeah? Seriously, the outbreak, the news, lockdowns, all of this is too stressful, but do you really want to add more stuff into that pile of negativity? Do you want to see your mental distress and anxiety increasing? I'll say it once more, ignore those users and avoid anything that makes you upset or anxious such as those posts in the P&S board, and try to engage in something more positive, do it for your own mental and physical health. Stay safe!

[bitbollo]

difference in opinions

Wait!
Is not "opinion" share a dangerous treatment (for COVID19 or other health issue) based on
E.G. Drink bleach it helps from COVID19 or
You should threat a cancer with cooking salt

Thanks for your suggestions, but I have noticed that when ignoring these users (useful) threads derailed quickly up to Microchips ...

These arguments are not shared only in P&S threads but also in local boards.
Not only trolls share these kind of informations

BTW Thanks anyway for discussion and suggestions provided by all of you again.

[suchmoon]

Is not "opinion" share a dangerous treatment (for COVID19 or other health issue) based on

Even if it's presented as a fact and even if the user knowingly posts false information... it's a lie at most, which is not something that red trust or moderators can fix (or should fix).

Having said that, I tried reporting some of the repetitive conspiracy threads and some of the off topic BS that certain users post all over the place. Sometimes this works. So if you really care you can get rid of some of this garbage. If someone posts about bleach in a thread about unemployment, or keeps posting new miracle cure threads you can make the case that it's spam. But if they just start a unique cockamamie thread and don't break any rules - there's nothing you can do. Flag Earth thread ran for 5 years and only ended when the OP got bored.

Thanks for your suggestions, but I have noticed that when ignoring these users (useful) threads derailed quickly up to Microchips ...

If you noticed something after ignoring it... you're not ignoring it properly



Edit: I can't grammar.

[iamsheikhadil]

Rumors have weights and can have real life disastrous consequences, I would say these fake news publishers are more lethal to the community than anything else in this current time and hence an instant ban on any serious fake news be implemented on anyone spreading panic about this virus. Already so many conspiracies!

[bonesjonesreturns]

I have noticed that there are some people who continuously and arbitrarily disseminate false information about COVID19 here on Forum.

Like posting a Ponzi/Bitcoin Doubler, I think that they can harms other people, since these discussions are about health... and not just "opinions" like "Pepsi is better Then Coke".
Plus they haven't any basic culture on these argumentation and are just copy/pasting theories without a minimum criteria.

I'm talking about the worst of the worst,  posted on forum without any evidence/logic ... just a few examples....
-COVID19 has pieces of HIV
-5G that spread the virus
-which was created in the USA and then released in China
-ops now has been created in china and then spread to USA
-World Health Organization wants to kidnap people
-"THEY" are going to put the Microchips
-follow "non-scientific/unofficial" health suggestion made by fake doctors
a long long list of crappy arguments....

I wonder, can we trust these people who continually spread false and dangerous news by rejecting any logical explanation?

What do you think?

Have you conclusively debunked any of these on their threads?

I have no idea if any of those things are true or false?

Surely if you have the information at hand to debunk these conclusively then all you need do is present it.
If you clearly debunk a persons claims as false and they continue to claim they are true or Visa versa then that would qualify as trolling.

I would not essentially trust those that make such claims in genuine ignorance ( if they are wrong)less in financial dealings.
No more than those that do not conduct their own research on things this important
Anyone just accepting an opinion they read on a forum before guzzling down bleach or burning a 5g mast is probably equally or even more high risk.

Conclusively debunk their statements on thread and if they continue presenting their debunked garbage as fact they are trolling.

[PrimeNumber7]

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I'm talking about the worst of the worst,  posted on forum without any evidence/logic ... just a few examples....
-COVID19 has pieces of HIV
-5G that spread the virus
-which was created in the USA and then released in China
-ops now has been created in china and then spread to USA
-World Health Organization wants to kidnap people
-"THEY" are going to put the Microchips
-follow "non-scientific/unofficial" health suggestion made by fake doctors
a long long list of crappy arguments....
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Have you conclusively debunked any of these on their threads?

I have no idea if any of those things are true or false?
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None of these things are true. These conspiracy theories are being pushed by people who are trying to harm Western countries.

5G technology is part of a technological arms race between the US and China and people in the West are being told that 5G towers should be destroyed.

You don’t need to use critical thinking to say any of these things are false.

[snipie]

Hmm should we add injection of disinfectants and the usage of UV light as coronavirus treatment in the list maybe. This is gonna be a gas to see someone defending this, that's embarrassing 

[suchmoon]

Hmm should we add injection of disinfectants and the usage of UV light as coronavirus treatment in the list maybe. This is gonna be a gas to see someone defending this, that's embarrassing 

Well, that's just it. When you have a top-ranked moron saying shit like that you can't really blame ordinary dimwits parroting it.

[jackg]

There's a massive issue with a lot of non scientists turning science into a belief system everywhere (when they don't really understand a lot of the fundamentals)..

I have to say, we are a discussion forum and we shouldn't be taking what other people say all that seriously unless that's the intention, sometimes people are just here to vent and as long as users can work out the fact from fiction and actively report stuff that's fiction to the community (by replying) then users can decide if what they read is fact or fiction.


We probably also need to distinguish those that include facts and those who don't. I assume my face mask thread for example doesn't come under the providing inaccurate information: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230708.msg53971557#msg53971557

Do I need to start adding disclaimers to my posts to say they're where you should start research from, not look at and decide based on my own conclusions... My philosophical and scientific methodologies are to present the facts and loosely state a flexible conclusion so you can come to your own.

[TECSHARE]

BURN THE NON-BELIEVERS!

[Jet Cash]

My perception is that these new virus mutations ( aren't there now 8 variants?) are natural developments that have been seized on by various factions to promote their globalist ideals.Take the 5G issue for example. There seems to be some evidence that it could cause damage to the upper respiratory tract. If this is true, then it could amplify the damage caused by the virus. Of course you can;t spread the virus through a telephone connection. Black people are more vulnerable - this is a great topic for accusations of racism, so the truth is suppressed. The truth would appear to be that vitamin D is effective in recovering from a virus infection. Vitamin D is created by the body as a result of exposure to sunlight, and people with dark skins need more exposure. There is no profit in sunbathing, so the government initiative is to try to force people ti stay indoors, and to purchase damaging drugs. If they really wanted to cut down on deaths from the virus, they would ban smoking and vaping, and stop all vaccinations, and they could encourage people to drink hot water.

The bottom line is that "they" need to reset toxic debt laden economies, and to replace valueless fiat currencies. The virus is a fortunate ( for them ) black swan event, and they are not going to let it go to waste. This is so much false news, and manipulated statistics that it is almost impossible to determine the truth.  There is very little information about comorbidities and immune system deficiencies that the statistics are useless for trying to decide on a health regime. I saw one interview with a pair of young health workers who took 5 weeks to recover from an infection. They expressed surprise that it had taken so long, as they were up to date with their 'flu jabs, and they were taking Tylenol - I can't be the only one who sees the correlation.

[gentlemand]

The things that the disease have thrown up - economic chaos, government control, misinformation, vaccines, paranoia about the origin blah blah - fit perfectly into the mind set of many a Bitcoin fan.

I'm not surprised it's given many people a boner and they've rubbed it until some goo dribbled out of the end in public.

It doesn't make them untrustworthy elsewhere. It fits the remit I expected of many of them and would've been very surprised had they not acted that way. Doesn't not make them assholes though.

[bitbollo]

Take the 5G issue for example. There seems to be some evidence that it could cause damage to the upper respiratory tract. If this is true, then it could amplify the damage caused by the virus.

@Jet Cash
Can you share please a peer reviewed article/paper about this information?  
I made a search on Pubmed and I was unable to find anything.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=5g+wireless+respiratory (0 results! it seems that there isn't anything also in predatory journal.....   )

The truth would appear to be that vitamin D is effective in recovering from a virus infection.

No there isn't anything like this. If it would "effective" was already approved as a treatment.
There are some papers that suggested that could be helpful in children (Prevention of Respiratory infection in children Jun/2017) like this one below, but these aren't "evidences"

https://www.who.int/elena/titles/commentary/vitamind_pneumonia_children/en/

It is important to note that most reviews reported significant heterogeneity, which may make the generalizability of the results difficult. This heterogeneity may be due to several reasons, including some publication bias, but also methodological issues, such as low numbers of trials, vitamin D supplementation regime used and heterogeneity of participants’ characteristics.

Future studies could evaluate the effectiveness of different dosing schemes on respiratory tract infections, such as once a week, which may be easier to implement.

NHS (National Health Service in England) is advising to take a daily supplement of Vitamin D because people may not be getting enough vitamin D from Sunlight (note that has not been suggested for COVD19 (!) protection/prevention/treatment)

If they really wanted to cut down on deaths from the virus, they would ban smoking and vaping, and stop all vaccinations, and they could encourage people to drink hot water.

Ehm... I don't know where you take these information and why are you posting here.
But please, I don't think it's the best practice post in this thread these statements........

EDIT:
About SARS-COVID2 "Strains"
You can check by yourself  https://nextstrain.org/ncov?c=country&p=grid&r=location
"Genomic epidemiology of novel coronavirus"

Nextstrain.org aims to provide a real-time snapshot of evolving pathogen populations and to provide interactive data visualizations to virologists, epidemiologists, public health officials, and community scientists. Through interactive data visualizations, we aim to allow exploration of continually up-to-date datasets, providing a novel surveillance tool to the scientific and public health communities.

[bonesjonesreturns]

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I'm talking about the worst of the worst,  posted on forum without any evidence/logic ... just a few examples....
-COVID19 has pieces of HIV
-5G that spread the virus
-which was created in the USA and then released in China
-ops now has been created in china and then spread to USA
-World Health Organization wants to kidnap people
-"THEY" are going to put the Microchips
-follow "non-scientific/unofficial" health suggestion made by fake doctors
a long long list of crappy arguments....
<>

Have you conclusively debunked any of these on their threads?

I have no idea if any of those things are true or false?
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None of these things are true. These conspiracy theories are being pushed by people who are trying to harm Western countries.

5G technology is part of a technological arms race between the US and China and people in the West are being told that 5G towers should be destroyed.

You don’t need to use critical thinking to say any of these things are false.

Let's suppose the intent was as you claim.

That does not mean essentially that 5g does not have a negative impact upon the immune system.
Or reduces the efficiency of your respiratory system?

Where are the peer reviewed statistically powerful studies that prove no significant impact upon the immune system?
I mean we all know how things that are purported to be safe are later discovered  to be dangerous.

Without proof it is hard to claim this is false or certainly deliberately false

China seems to be forcing 5g on countries in the west.  They freak out and start claiming they will punish those that dont adopt 5g and use their hardware.

I don't see any of those claims conclusively debunked at this time
Point me to the studies and I will have a other look.

Created in china, Canada USA? These are under investigation at the highest levels according to MSM and direct from potus

As I said. Conclusively debunk to call lying or false information. Strong counter argument supported then you can certainly cast high levels of doubt over their claims.

There are no long term studies of 5g and humans. Short term there could be a certain as yet unknown effect from 5g that is negative in this current mess for covid.

I believe the risk is low and probability is low but I would not consider saying it is impossible or a lie or that a compelling case may be ou there for a negative impact of 5g on immunity or respiratory system directly or indirectly  

Long term studies may yet reveal some major issues with 5g and health.

Or maybe you are correct. Still, Better to let people express their views until you can conclusively debunk what they are claiming.

First rule about people on the internet.. dont trust people on the internet.
Listen then go off and research yourself.