Corona Cattle... Face Masks Are Dangerous.

[BADecker]

There is I think a common misconception about the measures governments are taking and the advice they're giving. Not saying anyone here is making this mistake, but we need to cover it for clarity.

The virus doesn't kill a huge percentage of the people it infects. This is a fact. It's a small percentage, low single digits at most, probably lower.
Face masks, other protective equipment, social distancing, etc are not perfect defences against the spread of the virus.

The virus can be stopped either through a vaccine or through a sufficient proportion of the population having been infected and carrying antibodies against it. That's it. Palliative medicines can potentially alleviate symptoms, but vaccine or natural herd immunity is the only way to stop it (ignoring for simplicity any future mutation of the virus).

So why the masks and the social distancing? The purpose with these measures is not to stop transmission, but to slow it down. The spread of a new virus through a population is a geometric progression. It's exponential. Small numbers become big numbers absurdly quickly. This is the crucial factor here. If face masks have some beneficial effect, if social distancing has some beneficial effect... then these approaches should be used.

It's all about management of the spread. Flattening the curve. Ensuring that the finite resources of health services are sufficient to deal with the number of infected patients. Ensuring that anyone who can be saved will be saved. That's it. Even if face masks are only 10% effective, that still means we should all wear them.

And this^^ is far too little. The proof for the virus is not too hard for us to understand. Why don't they show us the proof? So far, we don't even know for sure that the virus, itself, has any strength at all.

[BADecker]

Just stay home, bro
If we all together will seat for 2 weeks more, everything can be finished faster.

This looks like a nice idea on the outside. But when will we stay at home for too long, and the economy will fall apart? The new pandemic might wind up being no food.

Rather, let's get the REAL info about what we are dealing with, so we know what to do that will be effective. Don't we have it already? NO! There has been enough hidden stuff come out into the open that we can see that We The People don't really know anything at all about what is going on... except that some of us are dying.

[Cnut237]

Why don't they show us the proof? So far, we don't even know for sure that the virus, itself, has any strength at all.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19
https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data

But when will we stay at home for too long, and the economy will fall apart? The new pandemic might wind up being no food.

Agreed that there is a balancing act here. Food and medical supplies must be maintained. The consequences of severe economic damage can and will cause deaths; it is always the poor and vulnerable who are disproportionately affected in these situations.

Perhaps we are at a standstill with the mask question. How can we know the effectiveness vs the dangers of masks in society? Are their society studies on these points... studies done by professional researchers?

I've had discussions with you in numerous threads, and I almost always disagree with you. But I can't let this go without meriting it. Data is king. The place where we find truth is in pure, unadulterated facts, the full thing, and not (as is often the case) just some partial dataset that has been carefully selected in order to reinforce a predetermined message. Whilst CV19 is still in progress, so much of our understanding is based on projections from the current state... and projections of an exponential progression are by their nature prone to orders-of-magnitude inaccuracy.

[Subbir]

The easiest thanks to affecting the virus are to remain reception and stay safe Face masks are really so dangerous it can never keep us freed from viruses. Rather it's more likely to be dangerous if somebody else picks it up where we use it. Face masks aren't ready to completely control the spread of the virus from sneezing and coughing it might be better to remain reception following the lockdown with caution there's no vaccine for this virus so we've to believe God alone.

[madnessteat]

I get the impression that many of the measures against coronavirus are more directed at aggravating the situation.

An example from Russia:

As soon as the daily number of new infections in Russia exceeded 10,000, the government introduced a mandatory mask regime in public transport and shops, even though medical masks do not even belong to fpp2 or fpp3 protection class and are unable to provide the necessary protection.

[BADecker]

Why don't they show us the proof? So far, we don't even know for sure that the virus, itself, has any strength at all.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19
https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data

But when will we stay at home for too long, and the economy will fall apart? The new pandemic might wind up being no food.

Agreed that there is a balancing act here. Food and medical supplies must be maintained. The consequences of severe economic damage can and will cause deaths; it is always the poor and vulnerable who are disproportionately affected in these situations.

Perhaps we are at a standstill with the mask question. How can we know the effectiveness vs the dangers of masks in society? Are their society studies on these points... studies done by professional researchers?

I've had discussions with you in numerous threads, and I almost always disagree with you. But I can't let this go without meriting it. Data is king. The place where we find truth is in pure, unadulterated facts, the full thing, and not (as is often the case) just some partial dataset that has been carefully selected in order to reinforce a predetermined message. Whilst CV19 is still in progress, so much of our understanding is based on projections from the current state... and projections of an exponential progression are by their nature prone to orders-of-magnitude inaccuracy.

Data is king. But false data makes a king out of liars.

All the charts and data are based on other charts and data, that are based on still other charts and data. Where is the data coming from? Where is the proof that the data is accurate? There is a whole lot of evidence that the official data is highly inaccurate... inaccurate to the point of being outright lies.

Look what happens when somebody comes close to finding and telling the truth in ways that can for-a-fact be proven. Kinda smells fishy to high heaven.


Researcher On Cusp Of COVID-19 Breakthrough Killed In Bizarre Murder-Suicide

A University of Pittsburgh researcher working on a coronavirus project was fatally shot on Saturday at his home in Ross Township, while associate Hao Gu, 46, was found dead in a car approximately 100 yards away of what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot.

The researcher, 37-year-oild Bing Liu, was found shot multiple times in the head, neck and torso around Noon on Saturday. Nothing was stolen from the townhouse and there was no forced entry, according to the Post Gazette. He worked in the college's department of computational and systems biology at the Pitt School of Medicine.

"Bing was on the verge of making very significant findings toward understanding the cellular mechanisms that underlie SARS-CoV-2 infection and the cellular basis of the following complications," the department announced in a written statement, adding "We will make an effort to complete what he started in an effort to pay homage to his scientific excellence."

Liu's expertise was developing computational models, simulation and analysis techniques to study the dynamics of biological systems - in some cases using machine learning techniques to understand cellular processes, according to his bio.

He was described as an outstanding teacher and mentor.

"He was a very talented individual, extremely intelligent and hard-working," said the head of his department, Ivet Bahar. "He has been contributing to several scientific projects, publishing in high-profile journals. He was someone whom we all liked very much, a very gentle, very helpful, kind person, very generous."

"We are all shocked to learn what happened to him. This was very unexpected," she added.

[Naida_BR]

The virus exists. I know people who have had this virus.
But the virus is not as dangerous as Bill Gates says when he tries to promote his vaccines and microchips as an electronic certificate.
The best defense against any viruses (including coronavirus) is to strengthen immunity. Including proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle in general.

Even if you are a fit guy, this doesn't mean that you will not get the virus.
It doesn't recognize if you were an athlete or you exercise a lot in the past. Nutrition is going to help to overcome the virus fast and don't have serious symptoms while being sick - but still this doesn't stop the outbreak.

[BADecker]

One of the best ways to protect against Coronavirus is to go to the beach. Why? Because the beach sand and the ocean have materials in them that cause your immune system to protect you against all the forms of CV.

[Carlton Banks]

Why don't they show us the proof? So far, we don't even know for sure that the virus, itself, has any strength at all.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19
https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data

ourworldindata.org is funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

your "proof" is basically a black line on a pair of numbered axes, provided by a corrupt organization, and hence proof of precisely nothing.

[Tash]

The virus exists. I know people who have had this virus.
But the virus is not as dangerous as Bill Gates says when he tries to promote his vaccines and microchips as an electronic certificate.
The best defense against any viruses (including coronavirus) is to strengthen immunity. Including proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle in general.

Even if you are a fit guy, this doesn't mean that you will not get the virus.
It doesn't recognize if you were an athlete or you exercise a lot in the past. Nutrition is going to help to overcome the virus fast and don't have serious symptoms while being sick - but still this doesn't stop the outbreak.

Two ways to get virus:
1. Inject (Needle, Mosquito..)
2. Damage Cells

Nutrition, yes alkaline food, fruit, berries, nuts and the occasional veggi
Get rid of mucoid build up in body, detox and lets not forget healthy dose of Vitamin D

Anyone looking for vaccine
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[BADecker]

The real CV cattle are the cops. They think they are doing you a service by forcing you to obey the pandemic. But do you know what they are really doing? Breaking their oath of office to uphold the Constitution.

Remind them first. The get your attorney to see if they even took the required oath. Then sue them for all they have... and extra if they don't have their oath on file.


Police Officers Beginning to Speak Out Now!


Police Officers Beginning to Speak Out Now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxYTL2jc1Sk

[johngrayson]

During all this time of this epidemic, I have never worn a mask. But I don’t go to crowded places at all. Therefore, I do not need a mask.

[BADecker]

A question is, what are the statistics about people wearing masks? How many have gotten sick and died anyway? Did anybody prove that the masks were effective?

Consider that all the people who died under medical supervision, died under the best that the medical knew it could do for them. Many of them wore masks, and died anyway.

Does the medical know that more would have died if they didn't wear masks? Are they sure? Does the medical even know what it is talking about?

[BADecker]

Time to fight for your freedoms in this fake Covid time. Some law enforcement people are standing up for your rights.


FIRED AFTER GIVING ANTI-TYRANT SPEECH, AFTER FIRST BEING CONGRATULATED BY HIS SUPERIORS?


FIRED AFTER GIVING ANTI-TYRANT SPEECH, AFTER FIRST BEING CONGRATULATED BY HIS SUPERIORS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA-Zbz6V_k0


HOW TO CONTACT PORT OF SEATTLE POLICE https://www.portseattle.org/about/port-police.

[madnessteat]

~snip~

Cops like Greg Anderson deserve respect!

I want to believe that after such appeals the police and military will finally open their eyes and start to act on the side of the people. After all, they receive their salaries on our taxes and should protect our interests in the first place.

[BADecker]

~snip~

Cops like Greg Anderson deserve respect!

I want to believe that after such appeals the police and military will finally open their eyes and start to act on the side of the people. After all, they receive their salaries on our taxes and should protect our interests in the first place.

If they don't start doing it soon, this is what we are going to get...


Children's Emergency Quarantine Centers

The State of Washington is looking for employees to SUPERVISE CHILDREN in Emergency Quarantine Centers. US Congress passing a bill to test & diagnose for COVID-19 at individuals' residences and for other purposes

Children's Emergency Quarantine Centers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWQMx4HxWIw

[BADecker]

A fun debate on mask usefulness or not. Check the site for emphasis and some links that aren't shown here. And watch the video.


Masks Don't Work: A Review of science relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy

Masks and respirators do not work.

There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles.

Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.

The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.

(FULL) Digi-Debates. The Face Mask Debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=AQyLFdoeUNk&feature=emb_logo

Review of the Medical Literature
Here are key anchor points to the extensive scientific literature that establishes that wearing surgical masks and respirators (e.g., "N95") does not reduce the risk of contracting a verified illness:

Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) "Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial," American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 – 419. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002

N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

Cowling, B. et al. (2010) "Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review," Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic- review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.

bin-Reza et al. (2012) "The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence," Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x

"There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection."

Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) "Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis," CMAJ Mar 2016 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

"We identified six clinical studies … . In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism."

Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) "Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis," Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

"Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant"; as per Fig. 2c therein:



Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) "N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial," JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

"Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. ... Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza."

[BADecker]

Sweden, the country that didn't do lockdowns, and barely did masks, shows why masks are dangerous. Do you think they are blaming US deaths on masks, since theirs were so few?


Sweden's Lead Epidemiologist: Wearing Face Masks Is "Very Dangerous"

"It is very dangerous to believe face masks would change the game when it comes to COVID-19," said Anders Tengell, who has overseen Sweden's response to the pandemic while resisting any form of lockdown or mask mandate.

"Face masks can be a complement to other things when other things are safely in place," Tengell added.

"But to start with having face masks and then think[ing] you can crowd your buses or your shopping malls — that's definitely a mistake," he further urged.

Tegnell has consistently spoken out against the use of masks, last month declaring that "With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport."

"The findings that have been produced through face masks are astonishingly weak, even though so many people around the world wear them," Tengell has urged.

"I'm surprised that we don't have more or better studies showing what effect masks actually have. Countries such as Spain and Belgium have made their populations wear masks but their infection numbers have still risen," the epidemiologist also declared.

Sweden, which didn't enforce any mandatory lockdown order, has seen its coronavirus cases and deaths slow to a trickle.

[BADecker]

Facemasks are the danger of yesterday. Now we have a new danger. More and more studies show that the poisons in hand gels, etc., is dangerous to your system... in more ways than one.


Coronavirus warning: Mass use of hand gels could CREATE unstoppable superbugs - expert

Dr Andrew Kemp, Head of Scientific Advisory Board on the British Institute of Cleaning Science, said alcohol based hand gels have still not been proven to kill Covid-19 on skin. But the Lincoln university academic said overuse of the gels will allow other bugs - commonly found on our hands - to learn how to survive them. If antibiotic resistant superbugs adapt to survive alcohol it could lead to an "armageddon situation", he warned.

He stressed that hand hygiene was vital to deal with the spread of Covid, and hand washing was a powerful weapon. But he warned that even the most potent sanitisers do not destroy every single bug, potentially giving rise to more problems.

[Jet Cash]

More and more studies show that the poisons in hand gels, etc., is dangerous to your system

Whether that is true or not, there is a greater disadvantage in the use of hand sanitisers. The virus fighting bacteria on your skin form one of the first lines of defences against a variety of infections, and they have evolved over thousands of years to help us to stay healthy. By killing them, you are raising the portcullis to allow infections into your body.