[ChipMixer] Assistant(s) to the Campaign Manager - Urgent meeting

[Steamtyme]

It has to be said, and somewhere you can really speak your mind. It's become really clear really fast that the ChipMixer campaign is failing to meet desired quality standards. You know there is really only one person to blame. Darkstar has failed in their duties as regional Campaign manager as evidenced by it's run of a mere 156 week run... fuck me really... nevermind facts be damned.
The ship is clearly sinking and all you plugs you all have plugs for the holes. So please drop it all here in one easy to manage location to be sure it's seen and implemented. We wouldn't want these gems getting lost in a sea of useless applications for open slots. The only way to move up from Assistant to the Campaign Manager is to showcase how clearly superior you your genes and your managing style are. So drop it all here, we want your opinion on how shitty the selection of past participants has been, how poor their posting habits are along with what really counts as a forum contribution. Drain the swamp, and keep it clean - You've seen it DS sure can pick'em so help make their mind up by telling them who is the worst. Real clutch that one as there is clearly no thought into past posting habits or feedback, just a good old dart and a blindfold. 

Now for anyone who wants to jump into this right at the top you can showcase the flaws at work here. If you know you were the best for the open slot speak up. Don't be a sucker and congratulate the successful candidate no no; you're the cream of the crop not some wimpy beta begging for the next spot. This was your spot and everyone should know how bad of a decision it was not to accept you.

I urge everyone to come forward before theymos has to step in. I'm pretty sure he's already reached out to ChipMixer to solve the problem, he can't resist settling these sorts of things. I'd hate to see him take measures to fix us in the same way he turned around yobit. We might not survive as I get the feeling we aren't even 1/10th as worthy.

 

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[Lauda]

I know the solution to this problem which has been documented here:

Chipmixer Campaign Representation on Local Boards (as of today):

German: 3-4

Arabic: at least 3

Indonesian: at least 3

French: 3-4

Russian: 2-3

Spanish: 1-2

Turkish: absolute 0

By employing more Turks you are guaranteed to make a 10% daily ROI.

[Slow death]

It's become really clear really fast that the ChipMixer campaign is failing to meet desired quality standards.

The campaign manager knows what is good and what is not good. We cannot say what criteria the campaign manager must follow

if the campaign is still active today Is because there is good understanding between the manager and the chipmixer owner and the chipmixer owner is satisfied with the results

I know the solution to this problem which has been documented here:

Chipmixer Campaign Representation on Local Boards (as of today):

German: 3-4

Arabic: at least 3

Indonesian: at least 3

French: 3-4

Russian: 2-3

Spanish: 1-2

Turkish: absolute 0

By employing more Turks you are guaranteed to make a 10% daily ROI.

I’ve never seen it, so will all campaigns also have to follow this?

[TheBeardedBaby]

Wait, what??
I hope this is not inspired of our removal with hugeblack.
If it's sarcasm or joke, than I really missed it for sure and only the language barrier is to blame, then you can ignore that post.
I'll just throw some personal thought and explanations here.

I was removed due to too many participants already posting in those sections where I was active. My threads are probably boring for some people and I do agree with that. I make project based on my personal interest that are not so Bitcoin related rather than just, useful or useless stats for someone.
My both Scandinavian and Bulgarian Local sections are dead, so no exposure there either.

I didn't announced the reason of removal publicly because it's not my business to announce campaign changes in DS_ thread. At least this is how I feel it should be done.
I waited until he came out with info and then I edited my post with the reasons.
I tried to explains to everyone who PMed me the situation.

I don't think DS_ lost the grip on how to choose participants, I don't know why he removed hugeblack, he is a great guy, we had some interactions before but I guess is more strategic removal, if the campaign needs a better exposure in other sections, but  I can only speculate.

DS_ is one of the people I tend to trust, he took out money from his own pocket to pay to the participants a few months ago even tho it was unsure if the campaign will continue. For acts like this people have my respect. Regarding the Turkish question my observation is that the accusations against him have no solid ground. He kept Kalemder on the campaign even when he had a negative feedback, another respectful act.

I hate all the drama and politics in the forum , I normally don't like the get involved in those drama threads but here I'm choosing the DS_ side and if you think that I'm doing this only to get back to the campaign, you are very wrong.

Edit:@PO you should have added this link .
I wans't aware of it, anyway I'll keep my post!

[nullius]

fuck me really... nevermind facts be damned.

Thank you for your courage in ignoring facts to tell THE TRUTH according to self-serving delusions.

I know the solution to this problem

Yes, yes!  Also:  BANE DARKSTAR_!  @thermos #DarkStar_MustBeBaned


On an unrelated note, I am sick and tired of all the “how to get a job” sites which recommend that you should focus on your skillset, and present yourself in a courteous and professional manner.

That’s so stupid!  It is much more effective to demand an interview, and then, when you are rejected or fired, to start a public smear campaign against the company.

This technique is most important of all when you are applying for a position in which you will advertise the company to the public.  Every public relations professional knows that the best public face for your company is presented by people who have spent months campaigning to damage the company’s reputation with baseless accusations and wild insults!

[Lauda]

If it's sarcasm or joke, than I really missed it for sure and only the language barrier is to blame, then you can ignore that post.

I think you may have missed something.

[suchmoon]

The OP completely failed to address the obvious problem that is at the root of the issue - income inequality. The 50-ish chipmixer campaign participants is less 1% of all active Bitcointalk members and they get 99% of signature income (I made that last number up but it gets the point across so whatever). I think if you take that money and distribute it equally to everyone then everyone will start making high quality posts, become nice and courteous, eat healthier, and live longer.

[cabalism13]

So drop it all here, we want your opinion on how shitty the selection of past participants has been, how poor their posting habits are along with what really counts as a forum contribution.

I really wanted to know whom you're talking about?, who whose that user has a poor habits compared to others?
Do we really have to speak just for that open slot? How can it help us get in if its still the Manager who'll decide?
Am not the best, am a lowly speaker of truth. Everyone wants to get in, for money of course. Forum contribution takes place in second and of course its not the same for everyone but for some it is. I simply don't have a problem when it comes to participants of Chipmixer.

The only thing I know is that when you get picked in this campaign you now have a responsibility to do.
I deserve a spot but not now. And for now I'll just speak for the others. There are still many users here that are quite good compared to me, even those users who has been removed. There's no need to get hyped up, all of us has chances, even if this campaign falls,  it is up to DarkStar_ and Chipmixer.

The campaign manager knows what is good and what is not good. We cannot say what criteria the campaign manager must follow

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If it's sarcasm or joke, than I really missed it for sure and only the language barrier is to blame, then you can ignore that post.

I think you may have missed something.

Quite the same for me I guess? Deym. Didn't know this was just ehem... LoL whatever it is 😂

[DireWolfM14]

I was removed due to too many participants already posting in those sections where I was active.

Thanks for sharing, I, for one appreciate your candor.  I don't think there's any shame or disrespect in DarkStar_'s decision.  I've said it before and I'll say it again; DarkStar_ is charged with making business decisions for his employer, Chipmixer.  The goal is so obvious, only a fool would fail to see it; maximize the exposure of the chipmixer banner.  DarkStar_ has chosen his (apparent) strategy to accomplish this goal; pick users who make high quality, engaging posts in a variety of boards.  It's a darn good strategy if you ask me, and it seems to be working.

The decisions made by DarkStar_ have nothing to do with the politics or ethnicity.  As far as I can tell, DT status is only a small factor in his decisions.  If you consider all that, it becomes quite simple: if you want a spot on the chipmixer campaign, make high quality, engaging posts in a variety of boards.

If it's sarcasm or joke, than I really missed it for sure and only the language barrier is to blame, then you can ignore that post.

Yeah, I believe Steamtyme's OP was facetious. 

[Csmiami]

Yeah, I believe Steamtyme's OP was facetious. 

Either that, or he is planning on buying a beet farm and have an affair with a senator's wife; who knows

[LoyceV]

If it's sarcasm or joke, than I really missed it for sure and only the language barrier is to blame, then you can ignore that post.

I think you may have missed something.

I think so too I made a post in which I agreed the attack wasn't necessary, and instantly got attacked by an army red-trusted Turkish and Russian users, and of course our resident forum troll. So I did what any sane person would do: I put all of them on Ignore.

So I appreciate the sarcasm

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If it's sarcasm or joke, than I really missed it for sure and only the language barrier is to blame, then you can ignore that post.

I definitely couldn't tell just by reading the text of the OP whether this is anything other than a dead-serious post, but I suspect it's not.

I hope this is not inspired of our removal with hugeblack.

What happened with him?  I did notice that you and he were removed from the campaign last week.  You said you were removed because you made too many of your posts in a section or sections where there were already other participants posting.  That sucks if it's true.

The OP completely failed to address the obvious problem that is at the root of the issue - income inequality. The 50-ish chipmixer campaign participants is less 1% of all active Bitcointalk members and they get 99% of signature income (I made that last number up but it gets the point across so whatever). I think if you take that money and distribute it equally to everyone then everyone will start making high quality posts, become nice and courteous, eat healthier, and live longer.

Plus the female participants get paid 30% less than the males and I think race is being used to discriminate against applicants (thet there's a joke, son).

[suchmoon]

I definitely couldn't tell just by reading the text of the OP whether this is anything other than a dead-serious post, but I suspect it's not.

What gave it away, that we're not worthy 1/10th of Yobit? 

[peloso]

If it's sarcasm or joke, than I really missed it for sure and only the language barrier is to blame, then you can ignore that post.

I think you may have missed something.

I think so too I made a post in which I agreed the attack wasn't necessary, and instantly got attacked by an army red-trusted Turkish and Russian users, and of course our resident forum troll. So I did what any sane person would do: I put all of them on Ignore.

So I appreciate the sarcasm

I thought you were the smartest of all morons  but I was wrong))

[AB de Royse777]

I thought today was a reserved for celebrating Bitcoin halving for the bitcoiners :-P

Edit:

*Of course I am joking and not even one of the above statements is true. Furthermore, I really don't have anything against any of those groups, they were just the first ones that passed trough my head and sometimes on this forum you have to put disclaimers even on obvious sarcasms

TMAN will describe you as "a racist cunt" :-D

[Trofo]

The OP completely failed to address the obvious problem that is at the root of the issue - income inequality. The 50-ish chipmixer campaign participants is less 1% of all active Bitcointalk members and they get 99% of signature income (I made that last number up but it gets the point across so whatever). I think if you take that money and distribute it equally to everyone then everyone will start making high quality posts, become nice and courteous, eat healthier, and live longer.

I really want to eat healthier and live longer....running to apply for CM campaign.

If I am not chosen it is for sure because I am black, gay, older woman with Turkish passport and I am bringing this obvious discrimantion imeadiatly to authorities.

*Of course I am joking and not even one of the above statements is true. Furthermore, I really don't have anything against any of those groups, they were just the first ones that passed trough my head and sometimes on this forum you have to put disclaimers even on obvious sarcasms

[BTCappu]

I just want to quote Yahoo's words here:

slot in signature campaign is just a privilege and not a basic rights.
Accept the campaign manager's rules and decisions and move on.

[NotATether]

I feel bad for DarkStar_, since he's the subject of threads like this that pop up once every few weeks.

You guys realize he's human and he also has IRL things to do right? He can't be babysitting everybody whose unhappy with the status quo.

[suchmoon]

You guys realize he's human

Blasphemy. I have it on good authority that he (it?) is a dark star.

[Csmiami]

Blasphemy. I have it on good authority that he (it?) is a dark star.

You should be checking your records; AFAIK, legend says he is a Zorro impersonating Pikachu

[tranthidung]

Each manager has his/ her own algorithm to choose participants and keep campaigns moving forwards as best as possible.

It is understandable to see each boards have different number of chosen participants because each board has different traffic and activities. But I am sure chosen participants are the best of each board.

Kalemder: There are more reasons to choose or not choose a specific board for a campaign and only the manager decide which ones are the best for a campaign and a company. It is life. As applicants, we have to accept it, and don't complain.

Notes:
...snip... Click to see

[bitmover]

Chipmixer Campaign Representation on Local Boards (as of today):

German: 3-4

Arabic: at least 3

Indonesian: at least 3

French: 3-4

Russian: 2-3

Spanish: 1-2

Turkish: absolute 0

Shouldn't Turkish users ask money from their government?

Demanding a private company from another country to reach a minimum quota of users who feel "excluded" and disadvantaged in its list of payments for a service provided is completely delusional.

[nullius]

AFAIK, legend says he is a Zorro impersonating Pikachu

Oh, no!  I did not know that DarkStar_ is so evil.  He even looks suspiciously feloid.  Why do you suppose that Laura is defending him!?  It is a conspiracy against humans!

Well, now, I must red-tag him—and I don’t care what Chip shills say about that.

It all makes sense, because only Turks are human.


We must give thanks to the profound intellectual scholarship of the wise Vispilio for his leadership in revealing the TRUTH.

[Csmiami]

Oh, no!  I did not know that DarkStar_ is so evil.  He even looks suspiciously feloid.  Why do you suppose that Laura is defending him!? 

Because we all know that Zorro had many lovers; you can see some rare footage of Laura and him here.



He is of course using the hat to hide his pointy pikachu ears from the good humans he is attacking

[o_e_l_e_o]

This technique is most important of all when you are applying for a position in which you will advertise the company to the public.  Every public relations professional knows that the best public face for your company is presented by people who have spent months campaigning to damage the company’s reputation with baseless accusations and wild insults!

I'm trying to stay out of all forum drama as much as possible, partly because I'd much rather spend my time on the forum actually talking about bitcoin and partly because most of it is petty as hell, but this is the thing I understand the least about this whole situation.

Let's say I'm hiring for a position in my company. I have two candidates.

Candidate A will take on board any suggestions or recommendations, not cause any drama or conflict, and generally just get their head down and get the work done.
Candidate B perceives every suggestion or recommendation as a personal attack, causes unending unnecessary drama and conflict, continually brings up their race/gender/sexual orientation even when no one else has, emails HR constantly, but will also get the work done.

I am picking candidate A 10 times out of 10. Even if candidate B does slightly or even fairly better work, I'm still picking candidate A because candidate B is going to soak up so much of my time, decrease my output, and decrease the output of my other team members. It's a no brainer.

[Vispilio]

...

Let's say I'm hiring for a position in my company. I have two candidates.

Candidate A will take on board any suggestions or recommendations, not cause any drama or conflict, and generally just get their head down and get the work done.
Candidate B perceives every suggestion or recommendation as a personal attack, causes unending unnecessary drama and conflict, continually brings up their race/gender/sexual orientation even when no one else has, emails HR constantly, but will also get the work done.

I am picking candidate A 10 times out of 10. Even if candidate B does slightly or even fairly better work, I'm still picking candidate A because candidate B is going to soak up so much of my time, decrease my output, and decrease the output of my other team members. It's a no brainer.

What if Candidate B does tremendously better work ? and what if he also will not act like such a rebel if your company can show just a little bit of a moral and meritocratic side every once in a while ?

What do you think o_e_l_e_o, and @Darkstar_, and @theymos, is it worth it to do the right thing at least sometimes to be able to attract geniuses to your organization, instead of (or at least in addition to) a hive army of mediocre "yes men" and "cronies" ?..

The scenario is as true for Chipmixer as it is for Bitcointalk in general.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I know the solution to this problem which has been documented here:

Chipmixer Campaign Representation on Local Boards (as of today):

German: 3-4

Arabic: at least 3

Indonesian: at least 3

French: 3-4

Russian: 2-3

Spanish: 1-2

Turkish: absolute 0

By employing more Turks you are guaranteed to make a 10% daily ROI.

The otoman janissaries are unleashed and pillaging the forum as of now in at least 4 topics:
- 🔥 Vile Chipmixer Bounty Abuse 🔥 Probably the Biggest Con Job on Bitcointalk
- 🔥 [Defamation] At Its Worst During Chipmixer Applications 🔥
- 🔥 FAKE: Defamation At Its Worst During Chipmixer Applications 🔥
- REVOLUTION of bitcointalk.org V.

Of course, if you try to be rational in their topics, you get your posts deleted. That's why I posted here lol.

So they keep saying that DS is racist for not having any Turk. Why they don't say then that DS is racist also for not having any Chinese / Croatioan / Greek / Hebrew / French /Indian / Italian / Japanese / Dutch / Korean / Filipino / Polish / Portuguese / Romanian / Scandinavian participants? Because just Turkish nation count among all with 0 participants, right?

Also, I never saw any member from the above mentioned nations to state anything (not even remotely) like the allegations of the Turks.

Seriously, do these guys think before speaking? Or are they driven by the mindset "we speak, not think"?

[TalkStar]

Each manager has his/ her own algorithm to choose participants and keep campaigns moving forwards as best as possible.

Right,,,That's the reason why campaign owner hire them to handle their campaign. Every professional campaign manager try their level best to provide transparent work by creating opportunities for best participants. When its a matter of professionalism i don't think personal choice have any room there. DarkStar_ is working on be half of CM to ensure best marketing outcomes by managing the campaign and most probably he is following instructions from campaign owner during selection process. Chipmixer is one of the most popular and oldest signature campaign so its quite simple that most community members have their wishes to join CM family. In a situation like this during open slots announcement most participants submit their application and hope to get selected but its quite hard to select final participant from a long list where there is multiple well deserving candidate.

I'm trying to stay out of all forum drama as much as possible, partly because I'd much rather spend my time on the forum actually talking about bitcoin and partly because most of it is petty as hell, but this is the thing I understand the least about this whole situation.

In some cases your attendance can demotivate drama creators which isn't a bad thing at all .  

[marlboroza]

I urge everyone to come forward before theymos has to step in.

Someone should create new topic about chipmixer in meta and ask theymos to create separate board for chipmixer.

~

Don't you have your own defamation topic open for discussion?

[suchmoon]

What if Candidate B does tremendously better work ? and what if he also will not act like such a rebel if your company can show just a little bit of a moral and meritocratic side every once in a while ?

A real-life job applicant trying this strategy would be laughed out. "Hey, your company sucks and your hiring decisions suck and your employees are thugs, but if you hire me I promise I'll stop saying such things."

I mean seriously, why would you want to carry a signature of a campaign that you despise so much? All about the benjamins?

[Vispilio]

What if Candidate B does tremendously better work ? and what if he also will not act like such a rebel if your company can show just a little bit of a moral and meritocratic side every once in a while ?

~~~ total hollow non sequitur as is typical of this diversionary user ~~~

oh ok, American economy should be thankful you are not running any companies then  

[mindrust]

Chipmixer up, Chipmixer down.

Looks like this is what this forum is all about since last year. (Maybe longer than that) And the endless drama. Not many people are discussing bitcoin anymore.

It is also sad there used to be more camps like chipmixer. There was a time when it wasn't the only high paying camp.

I am looking at you bitmixer.io  

There wasn't any of these stupid debates neither. Everybody was happy. Good old times. Long gone.

Now we have people ready to murder each other over a fucking chip slot.

[bearexin]

This sounds like "planned halving day stunt". In my wild guess, this could have been posted with the approval of DS_ as OP never returned to back them up.

It's become really clear really fast that the ChipMixer campaign is failing to meet desired quality standards.

What are they? Where those were mentioned and by whom?

Darkstar has failed in their duties as regional Campaign manager as evidenced by it's run of a mere 156 week run

Why not link them if anything related to this exist?

I urge everyone to come forward before theymos has to step in

theymos has nothing to do unless otherwise DS_ accommodates spammers. Their campaign is known for highest standards for post quality.

I'd hate to see him take measures to fix us in the same way he turned around yobit.

yobit enjoyed a campaign after that under a reputed manager. If you care about spams, no worries. Admin/mods do not care about scams or likely scams or any other practices which are related to campaigns or trust scores; but only spams/plagiarism.

[Steamtyme]

This sounds like "planned halving day stunt". In my wild guess, this could have been posted with the approval of DS_ as OP never returned to back them up.

No just a coincidence, I don't operate on that level of planning or forethought.  It fits well with me being the laziest of OP'S and letting sleep get in the way.  
Everyone is so spoiled by LoyceV's ability to update OP'S regularly and coherently. It's an ability all the more terrifying when you realize they are a verified human.

Bahaha permission. So much easier to ask forgiveness.

Wait, what??
~snip~

Sorry for the confusion. This had nothing to do with the campaign itself. Just a good old stab at situational humor with a dash of great sitcom nostalgia.

The sarcasm was strong in this one, but sarcasm is easily lost across languages.
I'm like a sarcastic old dude with a public park bench. Things wander into my line of sight and I make jokes  

Glad to see @Csmiami notice "the office" references.

I urge everyone to come forward before theymos has to step in.

Someone should create new topic about chipmixer in meta and ask theymos to create separate board for chipmixer.

Maybe he will admin a new forum for the campaign. Worked for cryptotalk

[NotATether]

This sounds like "planned halving day stunt". In my wild guess, this could have been posted with the approval of DS_ as OP never returned to back them up.

Looking at DS_'s posting history he's doing a good job staying out of threads like these, not replying in any of them. I think that's a wise decision he made.

Seriously guys, are you all really going to spend the halving holiday fuming about chipmixer? Just pop a few beers and enjoy the event.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Wait, what??
~snip~

Sorry for the confusion. This had nothing to do with the campaign itself. Just a good old stab at situational humor with a dash of great sitcom nostalgia.

The sarcasm was strong in this one, but sarcasm is easily lost across languages.
I'm like a sarcastic old dude with a public park bench. Things wander into my line of sight and I make jokes  

I suspected something like this because I have read some of your posts before, and this post didn't fit to my perception of you, that's why I thought it could be something I'm missing and yet i found the thread which probably inspired you.
Sadly i missed all the small hints that you left.

[Csmiami]

Glad to see @Csmiami notice "the office" references.

I was really surpised by :

a)the amount of people taking this seriously
b)the amount of people that did get the references

Looks like you are not getting promoted to assistant regional manager anytime soon...

Maybe he will admin a new forum for the campaign. Worked for cryptotalk

Or, we could also rebrand the reputation board to Drama Center, and have a child board for every conflict topic (DT, CM, Merit....) just saying.

[bonesjonesreturns]

I feel bad for DarkStar_, since he's the subject of threads like this that pop up once every few weeks.

You guys realize he's human and he also has IRL things to do right? He can't be babysitting everybody whose unhappy with the status quo.

The status quo is sadly the problem.

Perhaps chipmixer needs to employ a campaign manager with the time and capability to ensure chipmixer is not found to be sponsoring racist untrustworthy scammer supporting trust abusing shit posters with zero real achievements  here?

Of course those on chipmixer or those dreaming of ass munching their way on to chipmixer via DT with a bunch of politically derived merits will claim there needs be no transparency or accountability and all is well.

Good to see these threads more often.

Best option is to make sure they are not hiring scammer supporting racist shit posting trust abusers.
Then any criticism can be conclusively debunked.

Only hire squeaky clean high quality posters that dont trust abuse or threaten to trust abuse others accounts.
Shouldn't be too difficult. Then no problem.

The most damning aspect it that such a concentration of such scum are sponsored by them

So don't cry about the legitimate criticism.

[Kalemder]

Notes:
...snip... Click to see

Great data. Thank you @tranthidung. I just saw this work.

Most posted, top hit and most active local sections in the forum:
Rusian 11859
German 4182
Turkish 3423

Merit/100 rate:
Turkish 35
Russian 12
German 19

Turkish section is one of the most hit local section.  It is also the best quality local section. Local sections are the lifeblood of this forum.

You can also review the following data.

[Jeremy Franklin]

Turkish section is one of the most hit local section.  It is also the best quality local section. Local sections are the lifeblood of this forum.

Did you really just call your exessive merit sharing with your local Turkish friends quality posting? You must be kidding, lol. What a joke.

[suchmoon]

I was really surpised by :

a)the amount of people taking this seriously
b)the amount of people that did get the references

c) people still taking it seriously after it's been revealed as a joke.

Or maybe not so surprising. Reading is a lost art on Bitcointalk. Time for a big-ass medieval padlock on this thread I think.

[Stedsm]

c) people still taking it seriously after it's been revealed as a joke.

Or maybe not so surprising. Reading is a lost art on Bitcointalk. Time for a big-ass medieval padlock on this thread I think.

Probably, it may not be about the lost art but the reduced amount of a person's sense of humor in order to take the read as a joke rather than actually believing it. It was meant so that some clown shows up after getting out of his/her shoes and either tries to mud up the reputation of DS by making accusations like Steam did (and his intention was to bring out the traitors who just don't want a spot in Chipmixer but instead are looking for DS management spot / or that clown just comes up asking here for help to let him/her be given a slut slot in the campaign. I had been a participant for a very long time and I'd never point fingers on DS ability to choose/remove participants as it's the managers choice in the end.

It's just that - sometimes I miss my name in that spreadsheet. JUST OLD DAYS, NOTHING ELSE CHANGED!   (just speaking the truth as I've the guts to say that at least)