[Suggestion] Corruption in Judicial (DT)

[Tony Chopper]

Users using the Trust system should be prohibited from using VPN and tor. I'm sure most dt members create their own dt gang with their alt accounts.

It is impossible to talk about trust in an environment where members can remain hidden. Only approved members should be able to join the Trust system. Currently, DT mechanism is questionable. Consider there are "hidden judges" who distribute judgment in the real world. Looking scary like this!

Yes, we can remove "DefaultTrust" phrase. But campaign managers take them into consideration. In this case, Judicial mechanism (DT) tries to eat more than the cake (bounty). The judiciary becomes corrupt for money. Other solution: DT system should be removed. Everyone should have their own list. In this way, boring dramas come to an end. Forum traffic is gradually decreasing. Causes need to be investigated. Many of the great members walked away from the forum (including manager Cobra). Because dramas are so stupid now.

I repeat: If there is a judicial mechanism, doubts should be removed. To protect Forum from alt-accounts, DT system was created. So what protects DT system from alt-accounts? Nothing!

DT1-election Rank up pipeline. 185 members seem eligible. 134 members were elected. So the chance to be elected: more than 70%. Those who merit source or who can win merit can easily place an account on the list.

Rules must be clear. Otherwise there will be nothing except for the dt gang and a few simple bounty. Theymos, I appreciate your efforts. We have to keep Satoshi legacy alive. It's not just for a small group of people. FOR ALL WORLD PEOPLE.


Note: I wanted to write my thoughts freely. Without ridiculous judgments of the Dt gang!

[suchmoon]

I'm sure most dt members create their own dt gang with their alt accounts.

To protect Forum from alt-accounts, DT system was created.

Please provide evidence for these statements.

DT1-election Rank up pipeline. 185 members seem eligible. 134 members were elected. So the chance to be elected: more than 70%.

That's not how it works. It just means that ~50 users were not really eligible (due to inactivity, blacklisting, or other reasons that LoyceV can [edit] can't automatically determine).

Note: I wanted to write my thoughts freely. Without ridiculous judgments of the Dt gang!

Ah damn, I can't judge you ridiculously now. Can I at least ridicule you in a judgemental way?

[Jet Cash]

I don't use any of my alts to boost my trust or merits.

I use Tor when I need to bypass restrictions on public WiFi, and not for any other purpose.

[Lauda]

Fake concerns by alt account either from ruskis (peloso, Balthazar and others) or turks (wolwoo, Vispilio and others) or CH.

Rules must be clear. Otherwise there will be nothing except for the dt gang and a few simple bounty. Theymos, I appreciate your efforts. We have to keep Satoshi legacy alive. It's not just for a small group of people. FOR ALL WORLD PEOPLE.

Fake appeal to emotion. How about you just GTFO?

Is this because nobody wants to hire the Turkish monkeys into campaigns?

[suchmoon]

Fake concerns by alt account either from ruskis (peloso, Balthazar and others) or turkis (wolwoo, Vispilio and others) or CH.

The fake math about the 70% chance and some other "proven" fantasies seem to be lifted from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246495

[The Cryptovator]

So are you suggesting to turn this forum a safe haven for scammers? If there is not trust system scammers/abuser will scam/abuse people bald-headed. And for prevent them trust system has been implemented, not to prevent alt account. Creating alt isn't against forum rules nor against of trust system, but if you try to abuse trust/forum system then its matter of prevent abusive alts. Forum wouldn't run by emotion of every single users here. Some users do not like trust system and some users do not like merit system, admin could hear all the suggestions from them. How are you expecting verification since the creator of this forum isn't verified yet?

Please post from your main account instead of create alts. It doesn't necessary to create alt account to make a suggestion.

[LoyceV]

DT1-election Rank up pipeline. 185 members seem eligible. 134 members were elected.

That's incorrect. 134 members were eligible, and 100 were elected.

Users using the Trust system should be prohibited from using VPN and tor.

Do you want to add KYC too?

Those who merit source or who can win merit can easily place an account on the list.

Please provide a list of those corrupt Merit sources. Don't forget to add conclusive evidence.

It is impossible to talk about trust in an environment where members can remain hidden.

How about you start posting with your real account? You're literally hiding while talking about trust, which, according to your own words, is impossible.

[Lauda]

Fake concerns by alt account either from ruskis (peloso, Balthazar and others) or turkis (wolwoo, Vispilio and others) or CH.

The fake math about the 70% chance and some other "proven" fantasies seem to be lifted from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246495

Thanks for the source. Then it must be somebody from the Turkish sub part of the abuser or a strong supporter of theirs.

[Harlot]

Users using the Trust system should be prohibited from using VPN and tor. I'm sure most dt members create their own dt gang with their alt accounts.

Sorry I don't get your point on this one. How does prohibiting members using TOR and VPN solve the "issues" in the trust system? Since I don't see any direct relation between a member using VPN and his/her right on voting in the trust system or am I just missing something? Besides that I don't even see this as a possible solution considering that the admin has no control towards how the users visit Bitcointalk, users use ad blockers, VPN, and the TOR browser but I don't see theymos prohibiting them since it's their choice to do so.

[Krislaw]

Users using the Trust system should be prohibited from using VPN and tor. I'm sure most dt members create their own dt gang with their alt accounts.

Sorry I don't get your point on this one. How does prohibiting members using TOR and VPN solve the "issues" in the trust system? Since I don't see any direct relation between a member using VPN and his/her right on voting in the trust system or am I just missing something?

No need to argue with this user who is scared to have use his main account to create this topic.

There's no relation in his point, it's no one's concern how the internet is being used, as long as it's not used for scam. VPN purpose has nothing to do with manipulation of DT.

[acroman08]

Note: I wanted to write my thoughts freely. Without ridiculous judgments of the Dt gang![/size]

it more like you don't want to take responsibility on what you want to say. it just shows insincerity and uncertainty about your case on your part. if you can't say it proudly and will just hide on an alt account no one is gonna take you seriously.

[dkbit98]

Wait whaaat?
Even Satoshi used Tor browser (that changes IP all the time) and I think many other members are doing the same thing.
Everyone who cares about their privacy should be doing this, and not only on bitcointalk forum, and for notorious DT trust system.

PS
Nothing better than 1 post 'newbie' suggestions 

[NotATether]

Fake concerns by alt account either from ruskis (peloso, Balthazar and others) or turkis (wolwoo, Vispilio and others) or CH.

This is definitely an alt account as no newbie makes their first post in this board. The guy the alt is from must have very good writing skills since his post was not laced with grammar inconsistencies, so you can rule out cryptohunter.

You having debated with them before can probably figure out which one it is.

[Lauda]

Fake concerns by alt account either from ruskis (peloso, Balthazar and others) or turkis (wolwoo, Vispilio and others) or CH.

This is definitely an alt account as no newbie makes their first post in this board. The guy the alt is from must have very good writing skills since his post was not laced with grammar inconsistencies, so you can rule out cryptohunter.

You having debated with them before can probably figure out which one it is.

Suchmoon pretty much nailed it by remembering the 70% fake math nonsense. Given that is some butthurt and greedy idiot from the Turkish section, their insignificance makes it a waste of time to even try to figure out exactly who.

The fake math about the 70% chance and some other "proven" fantasies seem to be lifted from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246495

Thanks for the source. Then it must be somebody from the Turkish sub part of the abuser or a strong supporter of theirs.

[PrimeNumber7]

Fake concerns by alt account either from ruskis (peloso, Balthazar and others) or turkis (wolwoo, Vispilio and others) or CH.

This is definitely an alt account as no newbie makes their first post in this board. The guy the alt is from must have very good writing skills since his post was not laced with grammar inconsistencies, so you can rule out cryptohunter.

You having debated with them before can probably figure out which one it is.

The OP made it clear he is posting from an alt:

Note: I wanted to write my thoughts freely. Without ridiculous judgments of the Dt gang!

If one were to accept the premise that DT is being overrun by alt accounts, which I don't think is a valid assumption, and if you were to ignore the value of privacy the forum gives its userbase, the OP's solution would not solve his stated problem. A simple google search returned several VPN services claiming to provide residential IP addresses for customers, and it would be difficult to filter these IP addresses as belonging to a VPN. There are also devices such as mobile hotspots that someone could use to get around any no alt account rules.

One might be able to argue that DT causes a lot of drama. I don't think anyone can really disagree there is a lot of drama around the DT system, while there are probably some disagreements as to the underlying root cause of this drama. If we were to get rid of the DT system, after a period of time, trust lists would resemble something similar to DT, and we would be back to where we are today. The reason why someone is on DT is that they have been added to many people's trust lists.

[LoyceV]

If one were to accept the premise that DT is being overrun by alt accounts, which I don't think is a valid assumption, and if you were to ignore the value of privacy the forum gives its userbase, the OP's solution would not solve his stated problem. A simple google search returned several VPN services claiming to provide residential IP addresses for customers, and it would be difficult to filter these IP addresses as belonging to a VPN. There are also devices such as mobile hotspots that someone could use to get around any no alt account rules.

Or you could just get a second home internet connection (both ADSL and cable), which brings us back to KYC again

[PrimeNumber7]

If one were to accept the premise that DT is being overrun by alt accounts, which I don't think is a valid assumption, and if you were to ignore the value of privacy the forum gives its userbase, the OP's solution would not solve his stated problem. A simple google search returned several VPN services claiming to provide residential IP addresses for customers, and it would be difficult to filter these IP addresses as belonging to a VPN. There are also devices such as mobile hotspots that someone could use to get around any no alt account rules.

Or you could just get a second home internet connection (both ADSL and cable), which brings us back to KYC again

Well the coronavirus may cause hell to freeze over, so I would not rule out trust system KYC. I very strongly condemn the trading of identity documents and identity theft, but I will also acknowledge it is possible to obtain KYC related documents illegally.

OT: I honestly didn't appreciate the April fools day prank from this year, however a better prank that would have gotten what I believe to be the message theymos wanted to get across would be something along the lines of giving up freedoms for an unknown threat, such as by publishing bogus Lat/Long coordinates of each user (except for yourself) that could be within the country in your profile, if this is filled out, or announcing that all PMs will be published soon to prevent fake trades. 

[ABCbits]

Thread title : [Suggestion] Approved Member in Trust System - No Tor No Vpn
Thread content :

We have to keep Satoshi legacy alive. It's not just for a small group of people. FOR ALL WORLD PEOPLE.

Source : https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/emperor-palpatine-ironic

[stompix]

Fake concerns by alt account either from ruskis (peloso, Balthazar and others) or turkis (wolwoo, Vispilio and others) or CH.

I will not accuse the Russians on this, especially since:
Bitcointalk has been blocked in Russia because of Gambling advertisement

This guy motive is pretty clear:

Rules must be clear. Otherwise there will be nothing except for the dt gang and a few simple bounty

One tiny slip of the tongue and the reason behind this topic is clear, somebody wants a piece of the pie, especially since there are at least two delicious pies being baked in a certain campaign right now...

So are you suggesting to turn this forum a safe haven for scammers? If there is not trust system scammers/abuser will scam/abuse people bald-headed.

For a certain "gang" the trust system is ding only one thing, preventing them from doing bounty. , they don't see any other use for this system.
The part about Satoshi shows clearly they haven't even bothered to find what Satoshi really wanted.

[Lauda]

Fake concerns by alt account either from ruskis (peloso, Balthazar and others) or turks (wolwoo, Vispilio and others) or CH.

I will not accuse the Russians on this, especially since:
Bitcointalk has been blocked in Russia because of Gambling advertisement

When you write either or, you are speculating and not accusing anyone in particular. Given recent events it was very likely that it was them or the turks, up until suchmoon mentioned the 70% math nonsense. After that point it became clear it was the monkeys from the Turkish section.