Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody

[Fallenkeith75]

Yep, everything in the world is looking pretty turbulent right now.

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[TwitchySeal]

I received messages that 3 of my comments on this thread were deleted.  Upon review, they are all factual information. So the bias is apparent, facts don't matter. 2 decades of actual experience in this subject don't matter.

I've had had a bunch of mine deleted from any thread that deals with "the revolution"

And to address the above post, of course more black males age 18-35 are killed by police, in disparity from population make up,  they are responsible for +/- HALF of all violent crime although comprising only 1.4% of the US population.

They don't want to hear facts because it doesn't massage the false narrative being created.

Seems the whiteys should be rioting.

The majority of Whiteys are too busy working 9-5 paying for all this while the rest of them are suffering from self loathing on twitter hash tagging or taking the knee oblivious to the divisive agenda they are contributing to.

The statistic argument is only a part of the picture here. By implying that black people are just lazy because they're black, or commit crime because they're black, or shouldn't complain about racism because they're black you are implying that black people are generally inferior to white people.  Or, in other words, White people are superior to black people.  Or, to put it bluntly, these are white supremacist arguments.

[coins4commies]

I received messages that 3 of my comments on this thread were deleted.  Upon review, they are all factual information. So the bias is apparent, facts don't matter. 2 decades of actual experience in this subject don't matter.

No reason to post truths here anymore.  Y'all have fun.

But to keep this one 'on topic'......  I believe Minneapolis can burn. Riot and wreck your community you fools

And to address the above post, of course more black males age 18-35 are killed by police, in disparity from population make up,  they are responsible for +/- HALF of all violent crime although comprising only 1.4% of the US population.
   If HALF of ALL VIOLENT crime Police respond to is being committed by black males age 18-35, then they are making up 50% of all police contacts, but yet more white boys get killed.  Seems the whiteys should be rioting.

Yeah this is true and its part of the problem so you're close to getting it.  You just need to ask "why?" for any stat that doesn't match the population graph.  The answer almost always ties back into systemic racism. 

[hornetsnest]

I received messages that 3 of my comments on this thread were deleted.  Upon review, they are all factual information. So the bias is apparent, facts don't matter. 2 decades of actual experience in this subject don't matter.

I've had had a bunch of mine deleted from any thread that deals with "the revolution"

And to address the above post, of course more black males age 18-35 are killed by police, in disparity from population make up,  they are responsible for +/- HALF of all violent crime although comprising only 1.4% of the US population.

They don't want to hear facts because it doesn't massage the false narrative being created.

Seems the whiteys should be rioting.

The majority of Whiteys are too busy working 9-5 paying for all this while the rest of them are suffering from self loathing on twitter hash tagging or taking the knee oblivious to the divisive agenda they are contributing to.

The statistic argument is only a part of the picture here. By implying that black people are just lazy because they're black, or commit crime because they're black, or shouldn't complain about racism because they're black you are implying that black people are generally inferior to white people.  Or, in other words, White people are superior to black people.  Or, to put it bluntly, these are white supremacist arguments.

Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.

Quote from: PopoJeff on June 18, 2020, 10:46:38 PM
And to address the above post, of course more black males age 18-35 are killed by police, in disparity from population make up,  they are responsible for +/- HALF of all violent crime although comprising only 1.4% of the US population.

Facts^^^^^^^

The real enemy are those stoking divisions between people so if those who are blindly following the mass hysteria herd,step back and look at the facts,the whole truth and not just the selected truth to suit the current hashtag narrative,they should be able to make rational based decisions and not be consumed by this hysteria designed in the end to exploit their emotional based nature and in the end create something that is neither in the interest of ordinary Black or White people.It is the common masses of ALL races that are being deceived right now.

~respectfully submitted

  Moderate observer

[knightkon]

This type of crap pisses me off.  This was not a racist situation, this was a situation where an officer of the law broke the law and killed a man and there is no reason that this should have turned violent like it did. Now they are taking down flags and statutes, taking programming off television, and removing products from the shelves that have been a mark on our society for generations. I am so sick of people turning things racist. I could go on and on, but I just want to voice my disgust at this time.

[TwitchySeal]

Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.

Ok, be explicit then.  Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?

If not, then what is your explanation for the facts. (white vs black crime, income, education, health, etc)

[Spendulus]

Ok, be explicit then.  Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?
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I see you are back to using your favorite logical fallacy, the style of "Are you still beating your wife?"

[PopoJeff]

Typical leftist ideology and theory..... if you dont like the truth, blame it on racism.

The supply of real racism has dwindled so badly in the recent years, yet the liberals have such a high demand for racism....this is what you get.

Interesting how you never heard of Systemic or Institutional racism a dozen years ago. Apparently we needed to come up with a new theory, which in itself, I believe is racist.
  For the liberals to see racism in everything, they are implying that they believe the black race is not able succeed on their own, so they need little white liberals help.

The system here in the US is SOOOOOO racist, that it prevented a black man from being President of the US over a decade ago..... oh wait.


You say .... BS PopoJeff, you're full of it.  Ok then, why do these issues only show up at election time?
Nothing more than liberal propaganda. And you youngsters are drinking the koolaid.

Growing up in the '70s and '80s, we didnt have this BS. We could actually find humor in the old racist ways. We got along without just assuming someone was racist based on their skin color. Watch Blazing Saddles, or the 1975 SNL interview skit with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor.

[Spendulus]

...more black males age 18-35 are killed by police, in disparity from population make up,  they are responsible for +/- HALF of all violent crime although comprising only 1.4% of the US population.
   If HALF of ALL VIOLENT crime Police respond to is being committed by black males age 18-35, then they are making up 50% of all police contacts, but yet more white boys get killed.  Seems the whiteys should be rioting.

Yeah this is true and its part of the problem so you're close to getting it.  You just need to ask "why?" for any stat that doesn't match the population graph.  The answer almost always ties back into systemic racism...
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Can you explain something to me?

How do the new orders for each day's new talking points get delivered to you?

[TwitchySeal]

Typical leftist ideology and theory..... if you dont like the truth, blame it on racism.

What is the truth then?  How do you explain those statistics?

I'm not questioning the numbers here, I'm curious why you think they are what they are.

[PopoJeff]

Typical leftist ideology and theory..... if you dont like the truth, blame it on racism.

What is the truth then?  How do you explain those statistics?

I'm not questioning the numbers here, I'm curious why you think they are what they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States


Is racism the explanation for a black person killing another black person? Did white people make a black person kill another black person?
Is racism the explanation for 'thug life' and the perpetuation of criminal activity?
Is racism the explanation for Chicago's unreal homicide rate?
"Street Cred" ?

[TECSHARE]

Yeah this is true and its part of the problem so you're close to getting it.  You just need to ask "why?" for any stat that doesn't match the population graph.  The answer almost always ties back into systemic racism.

The statistic argument is only a part of the picture here. By implying that black people are just lazy because they're black, or commit crime because they're black, or shouldn't complain about racism because they're black you are implying that black people are generally inferior to white people.  Or, in other words, White people are superior to black people.  Or, to put it bluntly, these are white supremacist arguments.

The statistics are only part of the problem, yet it is a big part of the problem, and one Postmodernist Marxists such as yourselves avoid at all cost, because it would require not only self examination, but personal responsibility. Everyone knows Marxist victim culture race hustling dies in the light of personal responsibility, and you can't have that now can you?

You people are complaining about some one throwing a firecracker into some ones yard while the supposed victims are carpet bombing themselves. Your focus is irrelevant in the larger context of ACTUAL REALITY, not just the myopic context erasing hyper-focus you depend on to perpetuate your Marxist race hustling.

Marxism has a simple formula. Either find or manufacture victims, teach them that they are justified in victimizing others to create "equality", which then results in even more victims, which can then be utilized in a giant carcinogenic feedback loop of human centipede like fecal consumption of victim-hood. They find actual genuine causes, infiltrate them, then subvert the efforts from their original goals into Marxist goals until the now decaying husk of an organization has its reputation ruined, then they move on to the next.

This is done with organizations focused on minority rights, LGBT rights, poverty issues, education, environmental issues, migrant groups, etc, anything where victims can be found or created. These victims are then used as human shields to perpetuate their political goals, and anyone against their political goals are now automatically racist/sexist/homophobic/deniers/etc. None of you give a good God damn about these people you use as political pawns, you only care that they are a means to your end. If you cared about these people you wouldn't CONSTANTLY struggle to hide the underlying causes and core facts of these issues, preventing them from being effectively addressed. Of course if the real causes are addressed, you don't get to keep your human shields now do you?

Lets look at some facts:

Blacks or African Americans account for 12.6% of the US population.

https://archive.vn/20200213004951/https://factfinder.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/ACS/15_5YR/DP05/0100000US


"According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf



93% of African American murder victims are killed by other African Americans.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf


"While young black males have accounted for about 1% of the population from 1980 to 2008, they have made up an increasing proportion of homicide victims, going from 9% of all homicide victims in 1980 to 18% in 1994...
By 2008, young black males made up about a quarter of all homicide offenders (27%)"

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf



"...errors in police deadly force decision making (cases in which police shoot unarmed, non-attacking citizens) occur at a rate of about one in a million."

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/



"...between 90 and 95 percent of civilians shot were attacking police or others. "

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/



"Researchers also found that 90 percent of civilians shot by the police in 2015 were “armed.”  Notably, the definition of “armed” did not include civilians attempting to take an officer’s gun."

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/



"The factor that correlated most strongly to the race of the person fatally shot was the violent crime rate of their racial group."

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/




I look forward to the incessant screeching of "REEEEEEEEEEEEEECISM!" in response to these facts.

[TwitchySeal]

Typical leftist ideology and theory..... if you dont like the truth, blame it on racism.

What is the truth then?  How do you explain those statistics?

I'm not questioning the numbers here, I'm curious why you think they are what they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States


Is racism the explanation for a black person killing another black person? Did white people make a black person kill another black person?
Is racism the explanation for 'thug life' and the perpetuation of criminal activity?
Is racism the explanation for Chicago's unreal homicide rate?
"Street Cred" ?

I think the disproportional crime rates, education levels, overall health is all due to the gap in income, especially poverty levels.

8.9% of Whites under 18 live in poverty compared to  28.5% of Blacks.



I think this can be directly attributed to the fact that 156 years ago black people had zero rights and it's only been 56 years since the civil rights act.

Things are definitely better now than they were in 1964 and in 1964 they were definitely better than they were in 1865, but I don't think that kind of systemic racism can just go away over the course of a few generations, and those stats you keep posting are , in my opinion evidence of that.

What is your opinion on why the stats are so different for white and black people?  I'm honestly curious.

[TECSHARE]

Typical leftist ideology and theory..... if you dont like the truth, blame it on racism.

What is the truth then?  How do you explain those statistics?

I'm not questioning the numbers here, I'm curious why you think they are what they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States


Is racism the explanation for a black person killing another black person? Did white people make a black person kill another black person?
Is racism the explanation for 'thug life' and the perpetuation of criminal activity?
Is racism the explanation for Chicago's unreal homicide rate?
"Street Cred" ?

I think the disproportional crime rates, education levels, overall health is all due to the gap in income, especially poverty levels.

8.9% of Whites under 18 live in poverty compared to  28.5% of Blacks.



I think this can be directly attributed to the fact that 156 years ago black people had zero rights and it's only been 56 years since the civil rights act.

Things are definitely better now than they were in 1964 and in 1964 they were definitely better than they were in 1865, but I don't think that kind of systemic racism can just go away over the course of a few generations, and those stats you keep posting are , in my opinion evidence of that.

What is your opinion on why the stats are so different for white and black people?  I'm honestly curious.

Weird, you would think that since young Asians have a higher poverty rate than whites in the US, that they would have a higher rate of criminal activity if your explanation has any basis, but the opposite is true. This is exactly why shithustlers like you avoid statistics at all costs, because you reply completely upon assumptions, emotional appeal, and just flat out being full of shit.

[hornetsnest]

Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.

Ok, be explicit then.  Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?

If not, then what is your explanation for the facts. (white vs black crime, income, education, health, etc)

Ah stop being so ridiculous.Nobody is generalizing any race or claiming superiority.Your retorts are like that of any other Left Wing Extremist who slanders anyone who has a differing opinion to this media frenzy,as a white supremacist.You obviously have a personal bias towards the "movement" whereas I don't.

There are many good productive people from BOTH races as there are many highly qualified professionals,academics,and general decent people from BOTH races.Likewise there are many lawless,criminal and degenerate types from BOTH races however poverty,disadvantage or lack of privilege is NEVER an excuse for Violent crime or reason to infringe upon the constitutional rights of others.

Yes the cop who killed Mr Floyd was a perfect example of police brutality but black people and white snowflakes ignoring the fact that white people suffer under this same brutality are diverting the attention away from the whole issue and causing target fixation on only a part of it.This in itself is a disservice to society and also allows the instigators of the collapse of a peaceful legitimate protest get away with what they are doing and some the media are collaborators with their co conspirators who want to make this into a divisive race matter when it should simply be a police brutality matter.In fairness then,Black people ignoring injustices suffered by white people killed unjustly at the hands of the police are being "racist" and "their silence is ALSO violence".


You need to focus your attention on the gangbangers selling drugs murdering other black people while being glorified by celebrity gangster rappers for their "lifestyle choices" and stop blaming society for their bad choices.Many black and white under privileged people work and educate their way out of poverty and the job of government is to provide plenty of opportunity and jobs for people instead of squandering it on foreign wars and other shit that causes mayhem.

Leftist extremists only want a government that steals from the productive and gives to the unproductive which in the end leaves NO incentive for anyone ..to do shit,while they advocate for people incarcerated for drug offenses be released from prison imediately.Drugs are one of the main causes in areas stricken with poverty and he we have our "social justice warriors" wanting the same people who have caused serious issues among the community to be free to carry on their trade.People who sell drugs do so mainly out of greed while people who steal baby food and bread do so mainly out of desperation.They need to sort out their fucking priorities ;-)

Stop making excuses for violent criminal behavior and lawlessness and indirectly through such excuses support this activity.Next you will be making excuses for the gangs roaming all across south Africa targeting and murdering old white people in their homes,crucifying & raping and pillaging their "way out of poverty".

The people legitimately protesting need to stop colluding with these rioters by remaining silent about the mayhem and evict them from their peaceful protest and at the same time sort out their racist attitude towards white people.

Be gone with your fucking nonsense :-)

[Fallenkeith75]

I honestly still don't get the point of racism since it seems ridiculous considering there's great people from all races. Where I live and grew up, we're all pretty much something of everything from black to white, latin, asian, etc and there really doesn't feel like many issues here (most people are kind and go out of their way to help you if you need regardless of race). I think more than anything, at least in my eyes is the fact that the cop killed a person. No cop should kill a person when they aren't resisting and aren't in some sort of danger so I really do feel like the cop that killed George had a lot of malice.

[Spendulus]

Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.

Ok, be explicit then.  Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?

If not, then what is your explanation for the facts. (white vs black crime, income, education, health, etc)

Ah stop being so ridiculous.Nobody is generalizing any race or claiming superiority.Your retorts are like that of any other Left Wing Extremist who slanders anyone who has a differing opinion to this media frenzy,as a white supremacist.You obviously have a personal bias towards the "movement" whereas I don't......
Be gone with your fucking nonsense :-)

Twitch has received his new talking points, and he gonna talk them.

Actually using brain cells is NOT part of the requirement for Internet Democratic Operatives, and in fact is a negative.

[dupeddonk]

Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.

Ok, be explicit then.  Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?

If not, then what is your explanation for the facts. (white vs black crime, income, education, health, etc)

Ah stop being so ridiculous.Nobody is generalizing any race or claiming superiority.Your retorts are like that of any other Left Wing Extremist who slanders anyone who has a differing opinion to this media frenzy,as a white supremacist.You obviously have a personal bias towards the "movement" whereas I don't......
Be gone with your fucking nonsense :-)

Twitch has received his new talking points, and he gonna talk them.

Actually using brain cells is NOT part of the requirement for Internet Democratic Operatives, and in fact is a negative.

seems like fine question by twitch.  i dont get all the personal attacks on him hes being reasonable and just sharing his thoughts and asking about yours isnt that why we come to a forum like this?

[Spendulus]

Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.

Ok, be explicit then.  Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?

If not, then what is your explanation for the facts. (white vs black crime, income, education, health, etc)

Ah stop being so ridiculous.Nobody is generalizing any race or claiming superiority.Your retorts are like that of any other Left Wing Extremist who slanders anyone who has a differing opinion to this media frenzy,as a white supremacist.You obviously have a personal bias towards the "movement" whereas I don't......
Be gone with your fucking nonsense :-)

Twitch has received his new talking points, and he gonna talk them.

Actually using brain cells is NOT part of the requirement for Internet Democratic Operatives, and in fact is a negative.

seems like fine question by twitch.  i dont get all the personal attacks on him hes being reasonable and just sharing his thoughts and asking about yours isnt that why we come to a forum like this?

I've already made note of the logical fallacy in Twitch's "question", and he's routinely done this before. That's not in the least a personal attack.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html

[TwitchySeal]

Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.

Ok, be explicit then.  Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?

If not, then what is your explanation for the facts. (white vs black crime, income, education, health, etc)

Ah stop being so ridiculous.Nobody is generalizing any race or claiming superiority.Your retorts are like that of any other Left Wing Extremist who slanders anyone who has a differing opinion to this media frenzy,as a white supremacist.You obviously have a personal bias towards the "movement" whereas I don't......
Be gone with your fucking nonsense :-)

Twitch has received his new talking points, and he gonna talk them.

Actually using brain cells is NOT part of the requirement for Internet Democratic Operatives, and in fact is a negative.

seems like fine question by twitch.  i dont get all the personal attacks on him hes being reasonable and just sharing his thoughts and asking about yours isnt that why we come to a forum like this?

I agree with pretty much everyone who's attacked me that we have to look at the facts.  And I'm not questioning the facts they've presented.

An American Black person is more likely to commit a crime, live in poverty, be less healthy and less educated than an American White person.

The question I'm asking is why?

I've shared my opinion already, but I'm open minded and able to have my mind changed....what do you guys think?