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If you haven't seen, a black man named George Floyd was detained by Minneapolis police and died while an officer had his knee placed on the back of his neck. Following links are NSFW.

Video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6XAY0uKb2A&bpctr=1590647951

The police claimed that George Floyd was arrested after defrauding a business through forgery and resisted. This has prompted protests which quickly turned violent in multiple cities.

U.S. President Donald Trump reported that the Justice Department will be taking a look through an FBI investigation - https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265774767493148672

Here are some clips of the rioting -

 Lady gets assaulted while defending a Target from getting looted. (https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1265883038409322497)
 U.S. Bank gets looted. (https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1265855649352527872)
California Highway Patrol Officers Attacked. (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/grx02a/black_lives_mattergeorge_floyd_protest_in/)
Entire Target Store looted. (https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1265884087341867009)

I'm not sure what the purpose of looting is nor do I see violent protests ever bridging the racial divide. The FBI is involved in an investigation so it's not like this matter is being brushed off. Violent protests across multiple U.S cities is reminiscent of the LA riots in 1992 or the Ferguson Missouri riots. Definitely looks like an overuse of force by the video and I imagine the officer that was involved will face some sort of charges. The Minneapolis police has fired the 4 officers that were involved in the arrest. Rioting is sheer stupidity and seems to always be the knee jerk reaction.

I am not black but I understand their pain and fear for their lives on how they are treated .

https://i.ibb.co/pjTGt3K/racism.jpg

The man was killed because of such a simple crime and there was no hard evidence for the crime while the other criminal who murder 9 people was arrested peacefully?

But I also agree that some are using this as excuse to loot on others and I also doesn't get the point of it.

I'm gonna guess that people doing the looting are not particularly concerned about bridging the racial divide and people trying to protest peacefully underestimated the ability of a few shitheads to turn it violent.

Violent protests and looting will only create more problems and get more people hurt, if not killed. I can understand the reason for the protests and that the four officers need to be charged to court; so let the protesters allow the law to take its course. Because the police would not sit back and watch properties destroyed, people attacked, plus the looting going on, they'll take action, and things are not getting better this way.

The protesters can show their support for George through nonviolent protests or on their social media handles to seek justice, but definitely not by looting and other violent acts.

Sad thing is I'm sure people looting are the exact ones that will complain about discrimination from police.


I have no issues with protesters because you have the right to a peaceful protest. Not sure what the point is considering the officers have been fired and they will go through the legal system. But if you want to protest, go for it. Because people are shitty, they're using this as a free pass to destroy property and loot businesses.

The amount of racism on social media against non-black people in response to this incident is appalling.

It is also disgusting how much certain politicians are trying to take advantage of the situation for their political benefit. These politicians are making race relations worse for their own political benefit.

I am not even aware of any evidence the excessive use of force was race related.

The people that are rioting and looting are doing damage to their own community (assuming they live in the area, which many of them don’t) and will only drive businesses away, and costs up for residents.

Those looters are opportunist. They don't care about George Floyd. They're just creating destruction, and smiling as they run away with a stolen tv under their arms.

So this man is killed in such a disgusting way. How is setting a business in your community on fire going to help?

Idiots.

I an not a US citizen but all those incidents about police cruelty cannot be wrong.
There are multiple incidents reportedly constantly about policemen treating people with cruelty no matter the skin color.
Some measures need to be taken all around the US to stop this.

The 'killing' of Floyd looked fake as hell to me.

American society in particular has been conditioned as well as possible for 'race wars' as the (mostly Jewish) social engineers have long identified as being a useful tool.  Brzezinski,  Alinsky, etc.

Everything is under control and going according to plan my friends.  Grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.

3rd Precinct Minneapolis Police department has been abandoned. This looks like something out of a movie - https://twitter.com/jhall/status/1266227538122211331

The President or the United States has openly claimed looters will be shot, what a timeline - https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266231100780744704

Gee, I wonder why that might be?


WWE v2.0

you just belittled a man's death because of your political OVERthinking. that is just sad

Most of the actors they get to play parts like this are low-to-mid level criminals who apparently get let off in exchange for playing a role.

accusing the man of racism showes again the stupidity and witchhunt nature of the usa, the policeman might have been just a brutal guy.

usa has been in a race war since native americans started it, that where unhappy that they were not able to live in less than 1 person per squarekm

the difference is that if you are soft on black people you encourage more crime. look what europes soft threatment of migration crime on black people gave them? only migrant crisis.

thats why there are 2 systems and they rightwise exist.

you so callled "anti racism" idiots are so out of touch with reality

exactly my speech, no one knows weather the policemen was a racist, maybe he was simply a brutal guy, or a bad instructed policement, but america's crazy politicians accused him still of racism fired him and disqualified itself.

those riots sparked by the police violence are now the true racists.

the memory in george flyod will be very destructive for black communities, as these will get have a forgery criminal as a hero

also there was an extreme generalisation of a policeman, with all police.

We don't need no stinkin' cops to protect us... except from ourselves.


Armed residents defend Minneapolis store as looting follows George Floyd protests (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/283705-2020-05-28-armed-residents-defend-minneapolis-store-as-looting-follows-george-floyd.htm)


Watch the video at https://www.fox9.com/video/688824.


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This one doesn't seem especially fake and staged to me.  The two guys seemws to be sensitive to certain basic PR issues but not working to some sort of a script, and they didn't say anything especially outrageous.

Apparently some of the officers involved, including the one with his knee on his neck had a history of using excessive force, including to the extent that the city had settled with some of the people they used excessive force on.

I don’t know if there was a pattern of using excessive force against black people, or if he was just power drunk (or if he had poor training). Those that default to saying the incident was related to race solely because the officer was white and the man was black should be strongly condemned. 

well thats a matter for research, but typical for cnn, cnn accuses now entire policing in america to be racist just because of one policemen who wasnt even racist but simply brutal and bad instructed.

this proves again the racist nature of cnn, when will this media junk finally get shut down.

but we also have to add that the population that is being policed in the usa is not cooperative like in germany it is extremly aggressive. so police has to make its point all the time, so businesses can work.

without policing there is no economy

These guys are the way the American militia is supposed to be. They are supposed to be common people rising up and doing what is right, even if they look a bit rough on the outside. When Americans get enough of government, will they do like the people of the French Revolution?

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those people aren't common american's they are just a bunch of leftists haters losers and deplorables.

You forgot to check out what they were doing. They were doing police-like backup for some guys who were protecting a store. Why were they doing it? Because the police couldn't get there. In America, this is common... help the police and your fellow people. You sound more and more like a deplorable everyday.


George Floyd Worked Security At The Same Nightclub As The Officer Who Killed Him (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/283729-2020-05-29-george-floyd-worked-security-at-the-same-nightclub-as-the.htm)




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Please mention that's a NSFW content. Thank you

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There were 3 or 4 cops on him, the murderer isn't one single guy  :-\

Cops are buddies. When one cop has something against a non-cop co-employee, often all the cops have something against him. Cops are a camaraderie. But if you think that is bad, look at this, right in the second most popular legal encyclopedia, Corpus Juris Secundum.

When you become a client of an attorney, you become a ward of the court. An attorney's first duty is to the court, second to the public, third to himself, and fourth to his client.

In other words, when you become a client of an attorney, you are requesting a conflict of interest by the court, in your case.

See - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf. Read it slowly, and understand that the same kind of thing is going on with the cops. Hiring an attorney by becoming his client is not the way to win.

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Out of touch ? for real so I guess you are one of those who strongly supports racism who thinks they are more better because of their skin color or their nation?
Are you even human to start with? you are suggesting that it is okay to kill them base on their color and threat them as if they are criminal just because of their color or nationality?
Shame on you not on us who see all as a human being.

P.S try to dig harder and you would find that it isn't the first time that the officer has done it before there are also some other issue that he has been involved and killed black people.

I have to disagree.  There are not anywhere enough of people like this to have any sort of armed revolt.  On top of that, they are totally out-gunned by technology alone these days, and soon it will be even more obvious what I am talking about.

Here is the 'problem' with armed citizens:  They provide an alternative solution to the idea that we need more government supplied security to solve our problems.  Citizens have a vested interest in having their local societies run well and have a reasonable degree of safety.  This is rarely the case for larger political organizations, and especially when they are dominated by psychopaths with tends to become the case.

nope i am 100% antiracist, those blacks that constantly demand stuff from other people playing the race card are the true racists,

why are people of other races like in greece forced to care for black migrants instead of their own children, the blacks try to achieve a global genocide with their begging, they want everyone to care about them but be lazy gangbangers themselves this way people of other race like for example in germany have constantly to care about black people instead of their own children,

the joke is that there is stil retarded left wing media in the west that still supports those racist savages and doesnt see the racism they are doing.

black people cannot be satisfied, they will always try to demand more, and if you throw a bunch of wolfpeople of crab people into their midst, they become discriminatory racists themselves.

an officer killing black people isn't something abnormal it is part of his jobs to hunt all types of criminals black white whatever, what you are begging for is to get rid of all police officers if they kill "black" people

and secondly the protesters commited a crime they punished all policemen for the supposedly crime/racism/brutalty of a single policemen, they generalised like racists one white policemen is racist so all must be racist.

i hope they will get an extreme punishement for their crimes. and racists like you will be block of spreading their nonsense.

PS: biden is a populist retard

The plot thickens.

The neighbors didn't know the 'killer cop' was a cop at all.  Thought he was in Real Estate:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2xomnWYQu0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2xomnWYQu0)

Apparently also the 'WHITE killer cop' and the 'killed BLACK man who is BLACK and has been BLACK and was BLACK when he was BRUTALLY MURDERED by a WHITE cop' worked together in a night club as bouncers, and until quite recently.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-FrUbaJcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-FrUbaJcY)

Ummm...yeah...

So in a sense, you agree to a no authority type of environment or in political context, an anarchy type of society.  Given a situation that there is no one that would enforce authority except ourselves, what about those who cant do that (people who cant defend their homes because they only have a knife and the looters have an AR-15). Do those people who cant protect themselves deserves to be looted? Do Target corporation deserve what happened to one of their branches because of the riot?

such an environment will not exist, its not possible, there is always a pyramid of power, in whatever form. besides all worthly authority is false anyway ultimately god is in power.

I do not mean to insult or disrespect in any way but lets not put religion in the equation. I am just arguing on the statement that he gave and the sources that he provided. I certainly agree upon your claim that such environment would not exist. We need authority for the better good of the society. Although from what this incident has brought, authority was abused and should be voiced out. 

This is how the world is built and it cannot be changed.
We are a lot of masses with different opinions so we have to give authority to some - a minority - in order to make everyone follow the same rules. The point is that they will not overdo it by forcing people to do things without their willing.

well trying to build the perfect state doesn't work because people abuse that mindset and destroy that state sooner or later like we can see with europe and the us.

listening to people is wrong in my oppinion because the people are corrupt and greedy, and they destroy all goodness to the general group (communism) for their personal gain (capitalism)

This is possibly the biggest reason why people don't put you and me on ignore. If they did, somebody might think they were listening to you... a people.

Sorry to hear about the fact that you don't have any money, because you are not capitalistic. Are you posting from the library computer... playing with the capitalism of other people rather than being capitalistic yourself? When did the library open back up from the pandemic?

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here is a different tangeant for you to think about

in the past there have been white, asian and native americans that died due to police brutality. and no news was mentioned.

however. imagine if the 'agenda' is to try and keep the mindset that blacks are different than whites
heck. an agenda that blacks are etreated worse than native americans, muslims, mexicans
 by keeping the divide present by making the divide wider by highlighting things when 'it involves blacks'
the black lives matter for-profit group has lost alot of revenue not just due to lockdown. but due to media attention on muslims, native americans and mexicans.. so they need to rebrand and re dominate media


take the UK and the covid stats of deaths by ethnicity
back in march there was a big media thing that 'BAME are high risk of death'.  (black and Middle Eastern)
yet in that March stat
it was like 10k white and 2k BAME
where it was something like
80% white 4% indian 6% black and multiple small percentages for others

which if you look at the demograph of population is about the same. (80,4,6)

its not that there were 20k indian and 10k white. it was like 10k white and just 400 indian
yet 'equality' groups suddenly want to make ethnicity a thing to something thats not even racist.
a virus cannot tell skin colour. yet equality groups want to be victimised by covid as if they are being unfairly hurt by it.

im all for seeking out injustices and i hope that cop gets life in prison
but when the details are
the 4 cops involved were 2 white, 1 asian, 1 african american
shows its not a all white vs black thing

when the cop who actually kneed the head has a other ethnicity professional partner. and a wife that is mixed race too. it makes it less about a black vs white thing.

to me. its a abuse of power/ cop brutality issue.
the cop if worried the guy would get up and run. should have just hand cuffed his ankles.
no cop should knee a head. and definetly not for a minute or even 8minutes

next time cops should hand cuff ankles.. that way its safer for all involved

There are many politics and internal as well external factors involved here. The death was just a terminus a quo.
And Trumps response to protesters are fueling them. How he tweeted about Washington protests is a bad omen for US.

Is this some sort of collective catharsis after extended COVID-19 lockdowns?

At least half of these people will fall ill the next week or two unless they had already recovered from the virus.

A quarter won't even know they have it, and another quarter will die if unattended. The virus will spread greatly in these demonstrations, so when the demonstrators go back home, their families will become ill as well.

In the meantime they have about a week or two to protest as much as they can. To the world it looks like America is on a fire all over the place...

Perhaps Trump is also waiting for the virus to do its job?

Now these racial issues in America appear to have no end. All this segregation and discrimination is alien in many other countries.

He is a big kid with diaper and lollipop found himself ruling a big society. And everyone knows how much respect he has to "others" like black, Asian, latino... He doesn't give a shit until he gets criticized. He is the biggest moron and BELIEVE ME NO ONE KNOWS MORE THAN him that he is the biggest moron on earth.
Poor Floyd, hope he will find justice and his killer gets convicted for murder (will not happens).

Pallets of bricks cached for the scheduled riots:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM6RJksEAo0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM6RJksEAo0)

Policeman and pizza flunky caught trying to get riots going:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtMovuimg98 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtMovuimg98)

I know this thread is going to turn a bit spammy, but I'm still going to throw my two cents into it.

This is a truly horrible situation and that officer should be prosecuted with the full extent of the law. I do truly think that he committed Third Degree Murder (not 2nd or even 1st like some are saying) and what he did was despciable. His gross negligence led to the death of another individual. He didn't follow police protocol and that led to the death of another individual who was being arrested for a nonviolent crime - great reason for him to be fired (as he already has)

With that said though, I do not support violent rioting and destruction of cities across America. Fight for your rights, but fighting for those rights isn't burning down police cars and police stations. Protest, don't riot.

What a nice way to show that you are 100% racist I mean anti racist we don't need to discuss anymore the way you defend yourself and point fingers to other is a great way to show how much you support it.
Sure if they are treated equal you could see in the picture a huge difference on how they handle it and look on the video if there isn't wrong on doing it?
He killed the man that isn't even fighting just asking to breath ?
I am not asking for to get rid of the police officer if they kill "black" people but if they abuse their badge why not?
You are defending it too much have you ever seen the video? do you really think that it is the right way to handle it?
They are asking to be treated equal not above anyone.

There is a lot of pent up frustration with the naiton's history of police brutality and recent events that were never addressed.  Occupy, 2008, healthcare, mass shootings, and now a lack of readiness for COVID and a pathetic economic response to the depression where people got 1200 dollars and thats it.  We have 40 million unemployed and they didn't even increase food stamps.  People are hungry and upset.  

The chickens are coming home to roost.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZT0z8FU0AQ3L7d?format=jpg&name=large

I have so many many news about this in my feed, this is avoidable if they just make a swift action and arrest the officer who killed George Floyd they waited for the anger to boil, after the people find out that the investigations has no timeline, when it is an immediate concern, black people thinks that it's a death sentence being black and other races saw this as something that can happen to them.

I have the feeling that these riots were deliberately provoked to impose a martial law regime in Minneapolis.

Shoplifting and the burning of other people's property is in no way connected to the murder of George Floyd and cannot be justified by police misconduct.

Those protesters that just want to loot just need a dose of despotism, they just don't care they are just an opportunist. Poor Floyd you're not remembered by these so-called empathetic opportunists they're just blind for their own interests.

-Hey baby, did you hear that those pigs killed some black guy again?
-Good news! I was about to get a new TV!

https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ferguson-st-louis-missouri-shooting-1.jpg?quality=85&w=838
I get wasted on cheap wine during riots because black lives matter :)

None of that justifies burning buildings and cars, let alone killing people. Stop justifying pointless violence, it will not solve anything and will just make matters worse.

Unemployed get $600+ a week with no strings attached, that buys a lot of food.

Be careful, you might get accused of being a conservative.

Update on Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chavin and other Officers:
Derek Chavin was fired from the Minneapolis police department and was arrested. He is charged with manslaughter and 3rd degree murder. The remaining 3 officers involved in the matter have been fired. Prosecutors are planning to bring forth charges on the remaining officers involved, highly doubt they'll stick though. So far, the other officers have scrubbed their social media accounts and have left town to avoid confrontation.

Autopsy Results on George Floyd Released:
So things get a bit hairy here. George Floyd did not die of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation which is what was considered to be the cause of death due to the knee on the back of the head. George Floyd died as a result of his resistance with police and underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The report also mentioned that toxins in his system could have also contributed. It did not specify what type of toxins, most likely talking about drugs here (Autopsy Source)  (https://www.insider.com/george-floyd-non-responsive-before-officer-took-knee-off-neck-2020-5) I am no lawyer by any means but it's going to be tough for any prosecution to argue murder in this case because according to the autopsy, the officer's knee on the back of the neck did not cause death and that his resisting from the officers did, combined with other health problems. An analogy would be if you were on meth and got arrested which caused your heart rate to sky rocket resulting in a heart attack. This wouldn't constitute as murder and it wouldn't constitute as manslaughter. In the case of George Floyd, if there was legitimate resisting coming from Floyd, a defense could make the case that submission tactics were needed to subdue the suspect and that, according to the autopsy, it was not the individual officer's actions that caused death.

Two thoughts:

1. If he hadn't been manhandled by the cops, would he have died anyway?

2. If he was Covid positive, is certainly will be called a Covid death.

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Definitely not. Autopsy states that it was, partly, the resisting from police that caused death which was in combination with underlying conditions. So he did die because of police, however, if Floyd actually resisted, then police had every right to use submission tactics.


Funny.

I have watched a video about the homeless man's bed was thrown to the fire. I think it's going too much and even the innocent ones are being targeted by the protesters.

I have my sympathy for what happened but including the homeless folks and innocent ones to their grievance and protest, it's not necessary.

These looters are disrespecting the memory of George Floyd, Floyd do not like this to happen, these protesters should police themselves they are joined by bad elements and they are using Floyd deaths to destroy properties, it's very crazy imagine burning privately owned building, it's has become an anarchy.

I thought I would honor the memory of 'George Floyd' by watching the Mr. LandLoad porno tape which is being reported.  Also, of course, the chick looked hot...and I've got a thing about 'dark meat'.

Problem was, I couldn't find the vid in a scan of theporndude's top links.  'Choked out and Pumped with Cum' sounded promising, but it wasn't the one.  Anyone got a link?

Protests are good. Looting is not. But looting happens all the time, here or anywhere. It's happening all the time. Just like murder. Or any other crime. It can't be so much of a focus. It's just collateral damage. But what's more to be focused at is the incident. A man was just f-ing killed because of his skin color. It's totally unacceptable. There's no point to direct the topic into something else as small as a few opportunists looting a few stores taking advantage of the situation.

+1 to that.

600 per week, plus state unemployment benefits will probably land you in the realm of $800 a week minus taxes = $675 ish once all withholdings are done (if they need to be withheld for these people)

Plus stimulus money if eligible.

No reason to burn down the entire city to show that you're angry. Though I think it is important to note that the only people who are going to media attention in this movement are the ones that are rioting, not the ones that are peacefully protesting.

"Rioter Sets Himself On Fire Trying To Torch Building"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-rioter-sets-himself-fire-trying-torch-building



"Armed Leftists Shoot At Conservative Journalists House, Nat Guard And Police Shoot And Kill Rioter"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpLTe5MgFE

I used to do this all he time, if my partner was having problems controlling the suspect.  You are taught to put your knee on the neck but not to support yourself that way.  The pressure needed to subdue the relatively weak neck muscle is much less than needed to choke someone.  This officer is guilty of at least incompetence or even manslaughter, but the masses are rioting because they want to.

Those are ignorant bastards, they just want justice but they are bringing upheaval and chaos instead. If this was really staged then it's a success, who knows?

It's also not the only event, blacks and whites have been killed by police for stupid reasons before. 99.9% of police are good, the 0.1% just like the 0.1% of overall people can be bad, protesting against that is senseless.

some of the crazier stuff seen in the past few days:

I found the porn movie that George Floyd 'starred' in.  I had to study the vid, but only for medical reasons of course... _{and to see if the actress had the kind of phat pink clit I like to see on dark meat.}

Big George 'the Landlord' Floyd was clearly suffering from erectile dysfunction.  Poor fella.  One would expect that the condition would preclude a guy from being a 'porn star'.  Actually maybe it did and that is why there is apparently only one vid that Floyd acted in.

Anyway, since Floyd had ED it is pretty clear that he had problems with his circulatory system and thus it wasn't the fault of the cop(?)/co-worker/fellow_Freemason(?) who was just giving his friend a neck massage while they were waiting for the ambulance to show up.

Oh! Another Simpsons sequel?

Fault or not the cops present on his arrest still are blameworthy over his death because if they have just arrested an unarmed man and not compressing his neck that wouldn't be the case. For just a suspected forgery over a  $20 bill, this happened. They should have cuffed him and let him lie on the ground.

The need is for arrests, vamp up the judicial, and get the witnesses in there to get those rioters into prison. Then make them work off the damage to the shops and people they damaged.

Don't martial-law the average people who are just living.


Riots Out Of Control - Are US Troops And Martial Law The Answer? (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/283957-2020-06-02-riots-out-of-control-are-us-troops-and-martial-law.htm)




Riots Out Of Control - Are US Troops And Martial Law The Answer?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rlmxFGa1Yc8/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLDp37ZRyDGe-vi1YdQKuijXkyQTJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmxFGa1Yc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmxFGa1Yc8)


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they will all end up abroad as salary slaves, after they have destroyed their countries currency.

exceptions costs burocracy, ressources money, just dont side with the racist rioters, criminals and looters, and their "democratic" masters

What about damage-repayment to peaceful people and their property?

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by who the democrats? or the state?

didn't you asked for less state since recently? americans riot because they don't fear the state enough to shut up and mind their own business, libtards and democrats worked towards that for a long time.

Hey, poor baby. Let the man who did the damage pay it off.

If you damage my property, why should the State pay? You pay. And if you did it on purpose, pay double or triple, and go to jail and work for the State and your living in prison... after you pay me off.

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"LA Man Arrested With 'Massive Arsenal' While Impersonating National Guardsman"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/la-man-arrested-massive-arsenal-while-impersonating-national-guardsman



"LA Man Arrested With 'Massive Arsenal' While Impersonating National Guardsman"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/la-man-arrested-massive-arsenal-while-impersonating-national-guardsman



"Shocking Evidence That Indicates That Somebody Is Trying To Orchestrate An Internal Uprising Inside The United States"

http://themostimportantnews.com/archives/shocking-evidence-that-indicates-that-somebody-is-trying-to-orchestrate-an-internal-uprising-inside-the-united-states



"NYC Bans Cars Below 96th Street As Riots Go Global"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tensions-erupt-nation-burns-following-trump-threats-military-force-against-protesters



"NY Gov Cuomo Blasts De Blasio For "Underestimating Problem,"

May Overrule NYC Mayor On National Guard Call" https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ny-gov-cuomo-blasts-de-blasio-underestimating-problem-may-overrule-nyc-mayor-national


The fake national guard incident proves to me that there are likely state level actors involved here in instigating these riots. This is beyond the expertise of the usual comtards that are doing most of the damage. Also the guy's name is "Wong", so there is a decent chance he is acting on the direction of the CCP, but that is yet to be seen.

then you have to catch that individual criminal that did that and proof in court that he damaged your property.

cause trump is not responsible for the looters, its personal and private greed, of countless individuals, that try to exploit protest to loot and enrich themselves privately, people like you that have asked for less state and less police, have helped create this situation, would there be a lot os state there people would be afraid to loot their neigbours.

We have riots. We have lockdowns because of the riots. There are cameras all over the place. Cops have cameras. Temporary deputies have cameras. Your store has cameras. Bystanders have cameras.

You are never going to catch and identify all the bad guys. Even the writings of the founding fathers said that only 1 in 10 will ever be caught.

We aren't talking about a standard, simple vandalizing. We are talking about riots. Throw the suckers in jail, bring them up to trial, let the witnesses witness, let the videos back it all up, and make them work it off, if it takes them 20 years of hard labor.

8)

you live in the liberal usa, not in a militariced surveilance state, in the usa it is also expected from the individual to defend their property or worry about enough policing, and a solid society.

problems with democrats is: they want less police, less arms, and less religion, more decadence this mixture won't work

if someone is responsible its the libtards and the democrats, that are trying to damage the state's security system.

In the USA, government people can be taken to court for not providing protection if they will not allow the people to protect themselves. Even though law enforcement is not required to protect the people, they better do it, or allow the people to protect themselves.

But that is what we are talking about... the USA.

When rioters damage property, if they are thrown in prison for 20 years until they can pay it off, other rioters will think twice before being rioters.

Who cares if they are Democrats or invaders from China. Make them pay and they will change their ways. If they won't change, execute them. No time for nonsense.

8)

Racism in the United States has existed since colonial times, when white Americans were given legal or social rights and interests while similar rights were denied to races and ethnic groups. other minorities.

Apart from George Floyd, the United States was also shaken by other black racial murders.

how is police supposed to protect the people when the people at the same time vote a party that disbands it.

Forget the police. We don't need them.

Police are people. Anybody can be trained to patrol his neighborhood or city, militia style.

When all the people do it for themselves, there aren't any dishonest cops. But it has to be done correctly, or this might be the result: http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2018/01/losing-faith-in-state-some-mexican.html.

8)

People aren't allowed. Rather, people simply pick up and do.

Stupid people lose. Wise people win. And at times, it accidentally works the other way. God is really in control.

8)

thats correct the universe has an inteligent imperative its not entropic,

what we are witnessing in the usa right now is peake racism,

democrats will be considered the racist party and republicans the neutral communist one.
colored people will be considered racist and suspicious white people as neutral

Will be considered by who? By you? Who cares?

America was set up for each person to be the king of his own castle, or property. It was also set up so that when any other similar king messed with his property, the other king owed him.

When Americans play the game of considering each other to be Democrats or Republicans, it's because they are fundamentally so rich that they would rather play the game than get back down to basics.

The preppers are the ones who quit playing the game, and are getting down to the basics of life.

8)

Some people took the situation for granted and they put it in their own hands. Those looting are unjustifiable.

When it comes to riot, riot is the voice of the oppressed. There will be no riots and protests if there are no oppressed people in the society. Riots are just the results of it.

That's not necessarily true that there would be no riots and protests if people were not oppressed. People who are not oppressed, but think that they are, or are simply bad people, might still riot if they have the opportunity. Some of the rioters have guns. Guns aren't cheap. They must have had money to buy the guns. They should have bought nutrients instead, so that they weren't so brain dead that they rioted.

8)

The policeman behaved disgustingly, and this is called the police lull. But to smash everything that the crowd sees is meaningless. What do these people want to say? Why destroy a clothing store? The brother of the deceased called for an end to the riots, I hope that he will be heard.

Former officer Derek Chauvin's charge was taken from 3rd degree murder to now 2nd degree murder. The other 3 officers that were involved in the arrest have now been charged and warrants for their arrest have been issued.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/george-floyd-death-derek-chauvins-murder-charge-upgraded-to-2nd-degree-unintentional-murder-3-other-officers-charged/

They've done this to try to relax the protests. It is risker to try to prove that this is second degree murder, instead of trying to prove 3rd degree. If they can prove it and convince a jury though, they're going to bring the justice that is required -- plus the fact that they'll springboard their careers (anyone prosecuting this case, etc) -- which is really what most of these people care about.

Very risky to go for 2nd degree, as you could get an acquittal which will kill your career and incite further protests. Yet again, they're mostly trying to relax the protests with this sort of thing. It's what MANY were calling for. We'll see if it plays out.

Switching the murder charges to 3rd degree to 2nd degree is no doubt to appease the public but I'm a bit taken back by charging officers involved. One of the guys involved, Thomas Lane, was a rookie that had graduated less than a week from the academy and took orders from Chauvin to keep Floyd on his stomach with knee pressure on his back to subdue him. If Chauvin's a 19 year vet and you're a rookie, you're going to take orders from a more tenured officer. As for the other two, not sure why they should be held liable for their coworkers negligence. They did not know Floyd and the neck position that Chauvin had Floyd under is legal under Minneapolis Police Department's guidelines and policies.

They arrested the other 3 officers because of public pressure which is setting an extremely bad precedent for officers to be held liable for something their partner might fuck up on. The charges on the other officers will not stick and the Minnesota AG knows this well which is why it's concerning that these three are in jail right now. Chauvin's responsible, hold him accountable and take him to a trial with all the facts laid out and make a determination.

I actually saw the portion about Lane, and I don't think his charges are going to stick. He's most likely going to have to be rehired by Minneapolis PD tbh -- union is going to fight hard for him, and they're going to say that there was no cause to fire him. Only issue in this line of thinking is that he may be in a probationary period, and may be able to be fired without any sort of union protection. We'll see on him.

The others -- well I mean, guess they're going to charge them b/c they didn't actively try to stop it or at least verbally try to stop it. No one is going to tell them that they have to fight a coworker, but Lane's response should be good enough (IMO)

Neck position that he was put into is LEGAL for certain circumstances, though the circumstances that Floyd was put into was not that.

This is going to be the case that legal experts, police departments, police unions, police reform groups, and so on are going to be watching this case INTENSLY. This could set a precedent that changes the police forever.

Do you think there's a good chance they go to trial?  Will there even be a plea deal offered?

Chance they go to trial -- yes, but it's not going to be a jury trial, it's most likely going to be a bench trial (as a defendant can elect to have a bench trial, that is decided by the judge, if they want to) That's the best shot these officers have at being acquitted, because a judge is going to look at the facts of the case and decide if this is TRULY 2nd degree Murder (and the others too)

While a jury would look more towards emotion. Most people have seen this video and they're going to be disgusted with it. Finding a jury pool that isn't already tainted is going to be hard.

I highly doubt any prosecutor is going to want to offer a plea to these guys anyway (maybe Lane, but the rest eh) that would just enrage the protestors because you're letting them get a lesser charge just for admitting that they did wrong.

Derek Chauvin should burn in jail.
Those guys do not have any reason to be out and live free. He murdered him on purpose and there are not any excuses about his action. Floyd didn't show any resistance and still he treated him this way.

I suppose you may like for him to be incarcerated surrounded by multi racial inmates.  ;D


Since the protests began, there have been so many more officers arrested and prosecuted for excessive force. It's ironic that these protests against police brutality are causing more police brutality against protesters.

6 officers charged in Atlanta: https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/atlanta-police-officers-da-announcement-after-students-arrested/85-2eec7009-40b4-41b2-8020-77098b2d3ed5 (https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/atlanta-police-officers-da-announcement-after-students-arrested/85-2eec7009-40b4-41b2-8020-77098b2d3ed5)

5 of the 6 officers were black.
so this is all about cop brutality. and should not be a colour issue

..
in my view knowing the history where 'police' in america were invented as the slave captures. and sherrifs weere the real law enforcement.. i think that america should move more to the constitutional law abiding sherrifs instead of the bureaucratic, military trained officers

many cops believe that if they can annoy someone or question them enough to irritate them into a conflict. a cop can that treat that as a threat to his life, for him to then use force

even if they make new rules that specify only use a weapon/tactic under certain circumstance. cops then fall back on their personal rights of being allowed to defend himself against a 'possible' threat
where that 'possible' can be tweaked into thinking a kid with a cell phone in the dark is a possible gun weilding threat about to shoot the cop.
yes you not suppose to shoot unarmed people.
but the clause is unless you feel your life is at threat. without the clause mentioning the threat has to be real and proven. just the fear of threat seems to be the get out clause

She got something to say about it
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BEi8IQGTsLJq/

"Yuri Bezmenov - Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXN0aJD2BO4

The title should be something like, "Riots after the death of a common criminal, too high-happy on meth to obey the orders of cops."


Candace Owens: "I DO NOT support George Floyd!" & Here's Why
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JtPfoEvNJ74/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLB3Pw-fztZ5uty7_plSqHGZDTGkFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74)


8)

Minneapolis City Council officially votes to disband police force.

https://kstp.com/news/majority-of-minneapolis-city-council-announces-support-for-dismantling-police-department/5753304/

Tomorrow: Minneapolis renamed "Little Somalia".

"Dr. Michael Baden to perform independent autopsy on George Floyd"

"Dr. Michael Baden, who previously conducted an independent autopsy of Jeffrey Epstein, will do the examination after the family takes Floyd’s body back from the state, their lawyer said Friday."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/ex-nyc-medical-examiner-to-perform-autopsy-on-george-floyd/

Here's the real reason why local and State governments are shutting down police departments. They are helping Communism come in.


Left-wing extremists following Mao’s Cultural Revolution playbook, and it will lead to mass executions in the streets if we don’t stop them. (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-09-left-wing-extremists-following-maos-cultural-revolution-playbook.html)




8)

I'm anti-police, because if there were no police, governments would have no excuse to attempt to deny us our guns. And they wouldn't have any way to stop us from carrying them.


If you’re “anti-police” then you should not be allowed to call the police for help when other rioting idiots attack YOU (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-08-anti-police-rioters-should-not-call-when-attacked.html)




8)

This is a prime example of what's wrong with society.  Half of our population forms their opinion based on a meme.

The real difference here is one person, under the influence of drugs, FOUGHT WITH the police. Police are allowed to use enough force to overcome the force used by the person resisting them. These cops failed to recognize positional asphyxiation while dealing with excited delirium.

The other person surrendered, offered no resistance, and did not fight with the 5 cops who had their guns drawn.

Yeah, but you are LITERALLY HITLER, so we don't have to listen to you.

Oh, please give the guy a break. He's all mixed up about the place where his policy authority ends, and the authority of a man begins. If he realized that he was a man, and that policy was just his job - or act - he might learn a little respect for real people.

8)

Hey, even Hitler had two eyes, and can easily see the two circumstances in the meme are completely different, based on the criminal's actions, not skin color.

So you never heard of innocent until proven guilty? Too many cop-Hitlers play the part of Judge Dredd.

I'm not saying your job is easy. In fact, it is hard. Take what appears to be a criminal down when he is doing wrong, yet don't hurt him, because your Judge-Dredd mentality might be wrong, and you'd be harming an innocent man.

Get him to court where he can let the jury decide. That's the law of the land, though most people don't know how to enforce it.

8)

Doesn't change my original statement regarding the difference in arrests depicted in the meme.

If you are trying to resist arrest, you are potentially fighting to the death if you are not going to be arrested. The police will attempt to arrest you, but if unable to do so, they are authorized by law to use escalating amounts of force.

There is a reason why you don’t see reports of people getting killed by the police who are surrendering (except when it is fake propaganda).

Also what happened in this case likely had nothing to do with the killer being a police officer. Most likely the killer knew the victim and did not get along with the victim. In other words, this was likely a personal dispute if local reports are to be believed.

Exactly what I'm talking about.

It's apparent from your post that you think that I have your password. If I were in a position where you could reach me, you'd probably Judge Dredd me right on the spot, rather than try to show how I damaged you in court.

8)

If you say so.    That little world inside your brain must be an amazing thing to see.

They are absolutely NOT authorize by law to  arrest you except if you are doing damage. In the Flyod case, he purportedly was sitting on his car, not doing any damage at all when the cops arrived.

Tell us, which has more strength, Constitutional right to travel, or cops duty to harm someone when he is doing no immediate, observable damage?

That's why cops have a very difficult job if they want to be honest and right. And they often fail to obey the higher law - Constitution. That's the reason many people die at the hands of cops. Cops don't understand their limit. They don't have a general signed court order to bring anybody in without cause. The only reason they get away with it is that people don't know the law, either, and don't realize that when they hire an attorney, they are simply dumping their case into the hands of the court.

Criminal acts by cops on a man-to-man count are way more than probably any other person. Why? Because cops do the same bad things that the crooks do, both on and off the clock. And besides, they illegally limit the rights of people in the name of doing their job.

If cops are going to do mob rule and mob justice in the name of doing their job, who needs them? Anybody can do that. Simply give the people guns, and let them have at it... their mob rule. Just like the cops, but we don't have to pay the people. So it's cheaper.

8)

Sounds like the authority of being law enforcement gives you a big power trip, even when you're off the job.

8)

Not in the least.  I'm probably the most reasonable guy you'll ever meet.

But I don't really like to waste too much of my time debating with people like you.  I can explain truth's til I'm blue in the face, and you'll come back with some common-man nonsense you read somewhere on the internet.

And that's a real shame, because if anyone believes the nonsense you spew, they're at risk of being injured. They will think they can debate with a cop on the side of the road, "you can't do that !" "You can't arrest me"......  and we've all seen how that turns out. 

I read the same reports. Allegedly a worker of the nightclub spoke out that Chauvin and Floyd knew each other and butt heads in the past but even if they knew each other, to prove intent you need to know exactly the thoughts Chauvin had while he placed his knee on the back of Floyd's neck. Floyd was resisting arrest so submission tactics wasn't unwarranted, but he was extremely negligent for not turning Floyd over on his side after the cuffs were on and they gained control.

I'm sure more information will come out and verify if there truly was conflict between the two but if a 19 year police veteran actually intended to kill George Floyd over a petty personal dispute and throw his life way, throw the book at the guy and let him rot in prison.

Pretty much no matter what, what happened was murder any way you look at it. If they butt heads, this pretty much proves it wasn’t racism, IMO.

My statement about resisting arrest was in general and not in reference to Floyd. Floyd was already restrained and no longer resisting.

Roughly 90% of the convictions are void judgments. Why? Because to get a valid judgment, you have to have 4 things:
1. The accused;
2. The accuser;
3. An injury of some sort;
4. A witness.

The cop on the stand is the witness. But the State or city (the accuser) never gets on the stand, "viva voce," so there is no accuser. And, in most cases, there was no injury or even threat.

Check court cases, laws and rules of court. You will find that even if the judge, the attorneys, the plaintiff and defendant all agree that they can get rid of one or more of the 4 requirements, they STILL can't drop one of them. They have to all be there, just to hear the case in court.

So, we have roughly 90% of void judgments. Check out what it means to have a void judgment. Almost all the courts are kangaroo courts, because they don't have all of the 4 requirements.

That's where you come in, nice guy Judge Dredd. Since the courts almost never can get a legal conviction, you gotta do the dirty work.

8)

Is this really how black people are being treated in the US? There are not many black people ( I'd say its less than 1% ) in the conutry I live in so to I'm unable to understand this madness.

It is not nearly an accurate representation of the truth. It's a political game the leftists play with the media in thier pockets, and always seems to flare up and become a new headline during an election year.

There are laws, policy, and training in place for every one of these incidents.  Far more white people are killed by police than any other race. 99.999% of all incidents are justified by law. And the one's that aren't, appropriate action is taken.  
   The problem is within the race culture itself. The leftist politicians have made the black race think they are, and will always be the victims.  When a black man dies while attacking police, the whole black community lowers themselves to the level of the criminal, and cries for "justice" for the criminal.  Most other races have a more level headed approach and see the criminal who fought or attacked police as just a criminal, rather than playing the race card.
  
  Then politicians and leftist extremist come up with catchy phrases, such as "UNARMED BLACK MAN.", but when you look at the actual cases individually a little deeper.... you'll find the label 'UNARMED" does not always mean they did not pose a deadly threat.  80% of the UNARMED black men killed by police this year were actually actively attacking the police quite violently.  
  You'll find maybe 2 truly unjustified deaths per year, out of a population of 330 million.


   Then they try to throw statistics at you, and they stop evaluating statistics when they find the one they want.
  Even though more whites are killed by police interaction than blacks, they'll then throw out a justification of "well, blacks only make up 24% of the population", so they say blacks are more likely to die at the hands of police than whites, based on the make up of the overall population.  They stop there.... without evaluating one of the most important data points..... that approx 50% of ALL violent crime (murder,rape,robbery,assault) is committed by 1.4% of the overall population, being black males age 18-35.    1.4% of the population is responsible for half of all violent crime, and of course, would have a much greater probability of dealing with the police than the average citizens.
    Take Mr Floyd for example. A violent career criminal in and out of jail for 2 decades. Arrested at least 10 times. He went from having a 100% successful arrest outcome, to now only having a 90% successful arrest outcome.   Don't you think he's rolling the dice every time he commits a crime?  One of these times, he's bound to find a cop that'll do something wrong.  He's increased his odds by constantly creating the police interaction.  The police didnt go looking for him, the were called to investigate him for a crime.

   But the political powers that be, want you to look at a particular talking point, and not the big picture. Also a great distraction from other political issues going on at the same time.  Has anyone in the media even mentioned that Hillary Clinton lost and appeal and has to testify regarding Obama-era corruption?   Nope, nothing to see her folks.... look at the 0.0000002 % thing over there.

No. Basically it's entirely political gaming. The Floyd George thing was a weird, bizarre incident.

Having said that, there are situations that are unjust. But nowhere, is the world going to be a fair place.

The morphing of peaceful protests into rage and violence was orchestrated by anti-American domestic and international forces.

Right now in the USA the Democrats are struggling to form a platform for the 2020 elections, and to keep the black community supporting them for the 2020 elections.

Anyone remember my post above stating that people stop looking at a subject when they find the statistic that fits their narrative?    

Here is an example.

He found the statistic that fit his narrative, and then ceased to continue evaluating the totality of the circumstances.  

Based on his numbers... theres 6x more white than black in the overall population. But black are shot dead 3.65x more than whites, by police.  (Stop here if this fits your narrative and narrow view of the subject)

Now, if you want to see the entire picture (and the truth).... factor in that 1.4% of the population (black males aged 18-35) is responsible for 50% of ALL violent crime (rape, murder, robbery).  So if 50% of police investigations/responses are being solicited by 1.4 % of the population, how more likely are that 1.4% to be subject to police interactions?  I'm sure there's a math whiz here that can figure it out.
  Let's see.... 50% of police interactions are with black males 18-35.  50% are with all other races, sexes, age groups. But yet MORE whites die than black.  Oops, there goes your narrative.

And then if you really want to dig deeper, you can find statistics that will break down the race of the involved officer, and you'll find out black officers are more likely to shoot than white officers.

If you think Police racism is the issue the media has made it... Ive got some oceanfront property in Colorado to sell you.

And we haven't even touched on the subject of how many of those killed by Police were active deadly threats or were engaged in violently attacking officers.

#IRONMIKESAYS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZdX4LWXkAAdGmV?format=jpg&name=large

#FACTSMATTER  ;D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZf6he_WkAA7i5J?format=jpg&name=large

I don't think you understand this issue.

Go take a walk through a predominately black ghetto on Friday night, such as the 5th Ward in Houston, Compton in Los Angeles, or certain areas of South Dallas, Chicago, etc...

Then come back and tell us what you learned.

Wait...you wouldn't even back get out alive...

Arguably is the key word. It's not a country vs country issue. It's certain areas.

And you're welcome to SAY you'd stroll through them, but I've lived in them and been through them numerous times. Kind of know what I'm talking about...

No, I am saying it is ok to be white. You are saying white people are bad. You then reply, "no Police are bad, and it is because of systemic reecism!" The subtext of what you are REALLY saying is white people are bad. This is why this 100% factual statistic upset you so much, because it shows the reality of who is victimizing who, and it contradicts your narrative of a Nazi behind every rock and bush. PopoJeff did an exceptional breakdown of the statistics. You are the camera man in the original image I posted.

You can see the problem right here in this thread with white people whitesplaining how black people are treated.  Instead of listening to POC, they preach their own perspective and then cover their ears and pretend systemic racism is not a thing.  Even the statistics are racist but you hadn't thought that far.  Laws exist and are enforced differently on different people and different areas.  

White kids do drugs at a higher rate and it never gets reported as "crime".   Black kids do drugs at a lower rate but police stop and frisk to catch every single person on the street with drugs.  Those crimes get reported and then black neighborhoods (holdovers from segregation) end up with higher statistical crime rates.  These stats are used as a reason to send more police and violence into these neighborhoods.  Police officers and departments are often underpaid and corrupt.  Since they can operate with complete impunity, they  participate in organized crime and make deals with gangs or drug lords.  Once planted with a felony, police have the DA and judges in their pockets and get a conviction so that person can never function legally in society again.  Eventually, everything spirals out of control like South Chicago.  

Police unions control everything because so much money is in the police departments .  They bully politicians and DA, and dump money into elections.  Defunding the police would make things a lot better.  

Ah, here comes Captain Postmodern to bail out Nutilduhh by being even more insane and retarded to distract everyone from the box they have painted themselves into. By whitesplaining, you mean looking at actual statistics? Ah I see, math is racist. DECOLONIZE SCIENCE! Oh, I see your statistics aren't racist, but ours are.

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths people like you and Nutilduuuuhhh will go to in order to craft your own reality. It is like watching a man so fat he can barely walk, walk into a McDonald's. You want to tell him to stop, he has had enough, but you know he is just going to keep destroying himself anyway. You are that fat man, and his fat ass is your atrophied and indoctrinated mind refusing to look at anything but the McSpecial. No wonder the left are so fond of censorship. Who wants to be reminded they are killing themselves while they enjoy their 3rd Big Mac?

FBI ucr data (the most complete compilation of US crime data)


Eh... close but not quite. It's a "cop vs criminal" thing. No cop cares about the skin color of the person fighting with them.


Tony Timpa.  That should be all the information you need to upset your apple cart. This whole BLM "movement" or outrage is built on a flat out lie, and perpetuated by a political strategy

Yeah a statistic that is skewed by racism and then used as an argument against the existence of racism is definitely a "racist statistic".

Its funny how the analogy to your privileged POV is reference to another privileged POV.  Instead of stopping mcdonalds from marketing and selling harmful, addictive foods, you blame the victim.   Try looking at the fabric of the systems that cause problems instead of the symptoms of those poorly designed systems. 

Here's an interesting perspective, if your are open-minded enough to look at something from somewhere other than a pre-conceived opinion.


Does America have a “racist cop” problem?

It’s easy to believe so when watching the disturbing videos of the deaths of George Floyd, Eric Garner and Tamir Rice at the hands of the police. But do horrific, high-profile cases like these accurately reflect the treatment of black Americans by the police?

Many observers say no.

Since 2015, The Washington Post has maintained a comprehensive database of fatal police shootings. The Post database shows that fatal shootings by police have run steadily at around 1,000 per year since 2015: 995 (2015); 963 (2016); 987 (2017); 998 (2018); and 1,004 (2019).

About twice as many white people as black people are killed by police. “In fact, in about 75 percent of police shootings, the decedent is not black,” says Andrew McCarthy, a columnist with the National Review.

“This pandemic of civil violence is more widespread than anything seen during the Black Lives Matter movement of the Obama years, and it will likely have an even deadlier toll on law enforcement officers than the targeted assassinations we saw from 2014 onward,” McCarthy wrote. “It’s worse this time because the country has absorbed another five years of academically inspired racial victimology.”

While the current national narrative is that black Americans are, as some Black Lives Matter advocates claim, being “targeted” by police, Rafael Mangual, deputy director of legal policy at the Manhattan Institute, says that view is backward.

“It is certainly fair to say that police have had a target on their backs for some time,” he told InsideSources.

“I believe the number is that police officers are eighteen and a half times more likely to be killed by black males than unarmed black males are to be killed by police officers,” he said. “And studies have shown that the odds of a black man being killed in police custody are about one in 1,000.

https://www.houmatoday.com/opinion/20200610/opinion-black-lives-matter-rhetoric-doesnt-match-facts-on-police-violence



So, is it the police that need the ambiguous talking point "more training" ?    Or does society need "more training"?   A simple 20 min PowerPoint presentation in free public school about law? A very simple understanding of.... don't fight police, attack police, or resist arrest, and your odds of being hurt by police are less than being struck by lightning.

Your head is so far up your ass there is really no point engaging in any kind of logical discussion with you. Any facts you don't like you just imagineer some Postmodernist excuse to dismiss and substitute your own reality. You would cut out your own eye if it dared rest upon the truth.

 Hey PopoJeff, you know this guy claims to be a professor? How scary is that? You aren't qualified to be a professor at clown college.

It does not surprise me one bit.  There's a reason colleges and universities are referred to as "liberal indoctrination centers."

Fortunately, I skipped the college route and went military instead, entering the USN nuclear engineering program. I was able to travel the world for several years of my life and get a true representation of global society.  The poorest Americans have NO IDEA how good they have it.

The military training and experience offered me the opportunity to get a 6 figure salary afterwards, and I put forth enough effort in OT to send my kids to college. (Not white privilege, but effort that can be achieved by any race)    But my kids were warned about the liberal youth groupthink that is prominent at college. They've all remained level headed and discuss with me, the feelings vs facts problem they see at school. Too many youth are influenced by feelings and have a sheltered view of overall society.

Are your kids more likely or less likely to be successful because they have a father that was able to send them to college?

Will their children (your grandchildren) be more or less likely to be successful because of you?

See where I'm going here?

Yes, we can see the straw man you are attempting to establish.

Yep.  I see that you are TRYING to claim any success for my hard work is based on my race.  And you will be proven dead wrong.

I didn't grow up wealthy, we didn't have luxuries.
But I did join the military.....which just about anyone can, regardless of race. And as a matter of fact, my time in the military, working side-by-side with blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc... was a great experience of true equality. So here we are on a ship,.... our own group of humans, every race, from every US region, all working together for a common goal, while learning discipline, respect, and a code of conduct. All equals, with equal opportunity. We all got paid on the same scale...., yeah, even the females,.... and we all had the SAME opportunities. Some rose to the top, and some stagnated. But it was never due to their race, it was due to their effort.
    Then I got into Law Enforcement 2 decades ago, everyone had equal opportunity to test for the job. Everyone, of all races have the exact same opportunity. And everyone I work with (of all races) has he same opportunity to earn extra pay by working overtime. Some do it, and some don't.  Some excel, some dont. And the difference between the two is effort, not race.

  The route I took, is available to EVERYONE !

And rather than paying my kids way to an elective education they wanted, I made them responsible for the majority of the financial aspect, but I do hold the safety net for them.

Lol. Success by going to college? Rich Dad, Poor Dad. It's all fake.

ROBERT KIYOSAKI "That's Why You're Poor"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of4o8XhK5F0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of4o8XhK5F0)

Fake Covid.

Fake "... Lives Matter."

All that fake just to keep people poor. You poor suckers; :D.

8)

New police shooting happened recently in Atlanta that has people upset. The officer involved shooting has occurred at a Wendy's when a black male, Rayshard Brooks, 27, fell asleep in the drive through. Two officers conducted a DUI field sobriety test and determined he was intoxicated and tried to arrest him. Brooks resisted arrest, assaulted one of the officers then took the officer's taser. As Brooks was running, he turned around and fired the taser and an officer opened fire on Brooks killing him.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/protesters-block-lanes-on-i-85-wendys-set-on-fire-after-killing-of-rayshard-brooks

Per usual, the Wendy's location was set on fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osqCKSUfpOI

Protesters also blocked an interstate.

The Mayor of Atlanta has called for the termination of the officer who fired the shots and he's been fired from the Atlanta Police Department. His partner is on administrative duties.

I guess asking someone to not drive while drunk, resist arrest, assault a police officer, steal his taser, fire the taser at the officer, is too much. The district attorney's office is going to find the shooting legally justified but the officer got fired strictly for PR.

It seems the world is heading towards private citadel communities, decentralizing. Same way as in the old days castles.
This town in Mexico kicked out all politicians and police and private citizen take over security.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrPBdLiqMb0

Police officers are armed. He had a tazer. If he hit an officer with a tazer he could have armed himself. That is a direct threat. This kind of incident is exactly why fucksticks like you get no respect, because you defend violent criminals. If he was an innocent victim everyone would be in agreement, but he wasn't. He was a violent drunk idiot who got HIMSELF shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnRuWcgflaE

   Your problem is not with Law Enforcement, it's with the law. Every state had this thing called laws. Somewhere within it, you'll find a section detailing deadly force and when its justified to use.   Then every Police dept has something they call Policy, or SOP's, or General Orders.   That book will also details when deadly force can and can't be used by police.  
   Most of them are quite similar from department to department, state to state.  If if you ever read one of these books, you'll find a phrase called "fleeing forcible felon" or "violent fleeing felon."  

    Resisting arrest is a felony.   Assaulting cops is a felony.  Disarming an Officer is a felony. Stealing an officer's taser is a felony. Pointing the stolen taser at an officer is a felony. Firing a taser at an Officer is a felony.  
    Assaulting officers is violence.  The fleeing felon has demonstrated he is quite capable of being a deadly threat to others.
  
   This is just another criminal who escalated a simple interaction into multiple felonies, and his own death.  

  Instead of "more training" or "police reform"...... maybe the public needs some training on resisting arrest..



   No one seems to mention, that every time the police have to use force on someone, it's because that someone resists, fights, or attacks the cops.

 

Regardless of your feelings on this particular incident, if violent drunk/jacked up individuals have 100 run ins with police some are going to escalate to shootings.

At the same time, there's always been a hint of "maybe something's wrong here" on the topic of shooting people in the back.

See to have riot over dead soul is good but depends on the persons crime, the death of George Floyd by a police I suspected that may be George had issues with one of the officers previously before the incident that lead's to his death.
Because police can't because you are a stranger to their country them kill a living soul without a proper investigation.
I suggested that while police have to act in that capacity is because George resisted arrests.
We have to protest over George Floyd death to verify the objectives of police not arrest him peaceful.
Those police officers involved in the death of George floyd suppose to face panel so that other police officers across the country will take precaution.

Almost always we see "statist authority mongers" as being the current version of the "liberal", a totalitarian toad born of wrecked ideals of freedom and liberty.

So there's room left for some right wing "statist authority mongers?"

Is Cornell West qualified?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOP-GmkyzY
The thing about education is that you can't recognize it if you haven't had it so the educated perspective comes off as "an alternate reality"

You can't just blindly look at statistics without understanding why they are the way they are.  You need to zoom in and have a qualitative understanding to go with statistics.   You are ignoring a lot of the "whys" and only looking at the "whats"

Why are police being killed?

Why is there so much crime in some areas?

You will start to realize that despite massive amounts of policing, the areas with the most policing still have the highest crime.  If you arrest 1000 black people and kill one, the kill rate is low because you are arresting way too many people many of whom did nothing violent.  Now your rate of murdering black people looks better for a bad reason.  

Police, along with the justice and prison systems are manufacturing criminality.  We oppose training the public to respect police because
 this is not a supposed to be a police state.  Police need to serve their community by learning how to interact with them. Not the other way around.   We need to scale back the police big time and put most of  that money into things that will make society better.  

-Counseling
-Rehabilitation
-Jobs training
-Community programs
-Mental health response teams
-Therapists
-education

That's cute.  Really really a cute idea.  Right out of a leftist politician playbook. However, it lack's one important factor...... TRUTH.
It's really an empty opinion to think police and "the system" are "manufacturing criminality."    Spend one friggin hour with any police department and you'll see they don't spend their time picking out who they want to arrest.
    You can pull up any department's UCR data and annual report. You'll find out the largest portion of police interaction and arrests stem from someone CALLING the cops.  It wasn't the cop's choice to go somewhere and dig up some BS charge, the cop's get called to a crime in progress.
  
   And the other contradictory issue is "respecting the police".   No, no ones looking for you to respect a particular person, but a civilized society expects you to respect their established LAWS.  When you don't respect the established LAWS, then you end up having to deal with the police.

  You are also ignoring a WHY.  You say the areas with the most police still have the most crime.  WHY?  Which came first, the crime or the police response?   The areas with the most police didn't start out by someone saying "you know what, we should have a shit ton of police, that'll stop crime."   The actual inverse happens.  Crime statistics increase, they hire more cops. Crime increases more, they hire even more cops.  Policing is REACTIVE in nature.

He was not running away. He turned towards the police office, pointed the tazer towards the officer and either shot the tazer or was indicating he was about to shoot the tazer. The tazer would have incapacitated the officer, and the person would have been able to take the officer's gun.

The use of force was 100% justified. Anyone who says otherwise is either uninformed or dishonest.

Here is the answer to the riots. Listen to the answer right after the bearded, masked guy goes off-screen.

MUST SEE: It’s Not About RACE, or LEFT or RIGHT! It’s About YOU And ME VS THE STATE!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLW38Gvqv44#t=420s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLW38Gvqv44#t=420s)

8)

why are these people so crazy, the state is an achievement of generations, no crazy leftists are trying to destroy it so they can live medieval in starvation again.

exactly and also there was no certainty he might have had a gun somewhere.

The body cam footage of the responding officers was released. The man was patted down for weapons and he didn't have anything on him. This does not mean the guy was not a threat because he could have incapacitated an officer with that taser and either stole his gun or cause other harm.

Raw body cam video of incident - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-FVrZio2-8



Tennessee v. Garner would get the officer who fired shots off the hook but even below that any Georgia statute that outlines self defense would work too. A taser is a less than lethal, but not a non-lethal weapon, and the moment you steal that taser from an officer, it outlines a case for an officer to use deadly force. Considering the fact the suspect actually fired off the taser, self defense is a valid reason for the shot. It certainly doesn't help that the guy committed multiple felonies by resisting and obstructing. The Georgia DA's office is looking to have a decision out midweek on whether or not to file charges but the officer involved was already fired.

Not just me, anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. Could you possibly project your delusions any harder? Lethal force was ABSOLUTELY called for. Statist authoritymonger. That's funny. Look what else I found comtard:

https://i.imgur.com/REmlACk.jpg

How does it feel praising the innocence a child beater?

islamic extremists could now easily attack the us, by sending the black skinned suicide bombers into the us to piss of the police to achieve suicide by cop, each time crazy and racist BLM then destroyes a bit more of america.

trump should point that out. to get rid of the panic everytime police kills a black offender.

Its not that most cops are doing things out of line.  The main problem is that much of what police are supposed to do is already bad.  Police doing their jobs the way they should be done is manufacturing criminality.  Thats what ACAB is all about and theres a ton of truth to it.  

1. Look how many people are in prison on non-violent, drug offenses
2. Look at how many people who come out of prison reoffend.

 Drugs are a health issue and should not be criminalized anyway.  The police are the middle men in all of this. Grabbing people off the streets for "crimes" that are crime by law, putting these people into the system, and then they come out the other end hardened criminals.  

We will not blindly respect laws and will challenge them and the  people who are enforcing them if they are unjust.  These laws will not be respected because they are not enforced fairly.  You can look at discrepancies in sentencing by race for the same crimes and see huge discrepancies.  White people are doing most of the drugs while latinx and black people are being incarcerated at higher rates with lower use.  
The racism came first.
Slavery came first.
Jim Crow came first.  
Redlining came first.
War on drugs came first.

We are done with being reactive.  Its time to be proactive and thats why we will be defunding the police and replacing them with humane social services.  

you are completely out of mind, you are opening a box of pandora, the us is not a homogeneus christian society, there will be countless savages trying to abuse your police free environment to creat terrorism hubs.

russians are not supposting your communist ideas, because you will only end up destroying the economy instead of developing it. secondly communism in the us will never work, because there are countless fighting groups that will undermine it. you would have to establish a fascist stalinist communism to get the economy work at all.

look at chaz what kind of shit it is.

Do not forget that the backstage elites specifically give such reasons in order to push people together. Do not get fooled by this. We are all one!

If he was a deadly threat to others, why under Tennessee vs. Garner wouldn't the officers have the legal authority to shoot Brooks? I'd argue he was a potentially deadly threat to officers primarily, then bystanders.

It doesn't matter, Nutilduuuuh's virtue signalling is more important than those police officer's lives. They should sacrifice themselves for the cult of "social justice". Some of them may die, but that is a sacrifice he is willing to make.

I know you're all listening to this one and you like it, you hypocrites : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvfa27zZs5A

The "rules of engagement" specify when and how they should use deadly force. Simple as that, although there may be gray areas. These rules vary tremendously by state.

Did you REALLY just write that?   Go back and read it again.    

"It really shouldn't matter what the law says" ???    

Thats literally the most important thing in the world.  Cops dont make the laws, they don't write the laws. They ENFORCE the established laws. The laws that are made by your elected politicians. In a court of law, where they (and you) are judged for their actions, literally the only thing that matters is WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
   Not the kids opinions, not the opinions of any race that want special treatment.  The cops have to follow the law, and none of this shit would be happening if everyone else did to.


"They should know better" ???  

 Better than what? The laws that govern their operation and procedure?  The laws of the state the operate in?
I think what you're really trying to say is you don't want cops to arrest black people for their crimes anymore. You want special treatment for blacks. There's the racist side of all this mess. The race pandering.  


There's a thing called unpleasant truths vs and comforting lies.  I'll give you an example:  
   BLM is fighting for the rights of the oppressed is your comforting lie.  But the unpleasant truth is they're destroying property and lives of the innocent, at a higher rate than anyone else, while most 'woke' folks are asleep to the fact they are nothing more than a political operative, funding and being directed by the Democratic Party.  
   Here's another one.  You think justice is served in the Floyd case, by rushing the charges on Chauvin. Makes you feel good, right? That knee hold looked awful.  Unpleasant truth is, Chauvin will be found not-guilty of murder. Because most of the public is ignorant of US law.

What conspiracy?  Oh, the BLM thing?   Take a look and you can find the truth, it can be found everywhere, you just refuse to look.

The cops ARE the law.  They change as the law changes.  Their entire job is literally enforcement of established law, regardless of personal feelings or beliefs. Humans doing a robots job. And things are set in stone, until they change the stone. Up until 1985, ANY felon fleeing from the law in Tennessee could be shot in the back, and they were.  That was the law.  Then in 1985, the Tennessee vs Garner case was heard by the US Supreme Court, and the law changed, now the fleeing felon must pose a risk of harm to others in order for deadly force to be used. That law changed, the cops changed with the law.

Here, you missed his one because the guy wasn't black, but same circumstances http://foxsanantonio.com/news/local/suspect-shot-dead-by-cop-after-taking-officers-stun-gun-tasing-him
   Your point is moot.

Meanwhile in the "multicultural" UK https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaVL-BxXsAEEMTg?format=jpg&name=small

The taser has a second shot to it. I also believe most tasers allow you to dry stun after the taser's shot has been deployed without the cartridge in place at the end of the taser (meaning you can hold the taser to the skin directly). Over 1,000 people have died after tasers were used on them since 2000, 150 of these autopsies show the taser having a significant impact on the cause of death. Also, tasers can be dangerous if you have any sort of heart condition. Also, if the taser is deployed near your face, the prongs can blind you.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-taser-911/

You have two elements -

1.) The taser itself causes extreme bodily harm or potential death.
2.) The taser incapacitates the officer which might result the suspect inflicting further bodily harm of potential death.

That's why the officer shot and it isn't unreasonable to say from a moral perspective that for the officer's safety, he had a right to defend himself. You put yourself in his shoes, you have someone that fought you and resisted arrest, stole a taser, then fired it at you. Would you not worry about your safety at that point given the circumstances? On a side note, I'm not even sure if the DA's office in Atlanta is going to let this go. I read an article stating that prosecutors are floating the idea of charging the officer who fired rounds probably to cave into the mob who's demanding the officer be charged. You then have an acquittal and people start the rioting cycle over again because they feel justice was not served.

You are exactly correct. Depending on the type of Taser (there are several). Some have a second shot in the primary cartridge. Some have single shot cartridges. If the single shot cartridge type is used, officers usually have either; 2 spare cartridges on their belt, or, 1 spare cartridge attached to the Taser battery, which inserts into the grip of the Taser.

Another notable fact. You do not need to WAIT to be assaulted/shot/tasered before defending yourself or others.

So if the taser is so dangerous then the police officer had no business taking it out in the first place.  That means Rayshard Brooks had reason to fear for his life, defend himself and also flee.   Secondly, don't chase a man that closely if you are afraid he's about to take your life.  Thats just dumb.    Police have no concept of defensive positioning when they are allegedly so scared for their lives.  We've seen officers drive up 2 feet away from a boy they thought was threatening their lives with a toy gun. 

If you think theres danger, you'd keep a distance.   They are creating the very threat to their lives they are killing people over.  These cowards have no business being police officers.

That's called finessing your way out of BEING murdered not committing murder. Assault on a police officer is pretty serious time. Weird how you are willing to make every assumption of innocence for the convicted child beater violently attacking police, but they are the bad guys for not letting themselves or others become victims. This is all of course while you don't even live here and don't have to deal with any of this. Of course you don't mind others paying for your cult membership, it is not your blood.



Clearly the only answer is systemic sexism. It is the only possible explanation.




Wait, so he is free to assault the police, and they had no business taking out a tazer to stop him? So poor Mr. child beater Brooks had a legitimate fear for his life, but not the police? Do you eat paint chips or are you just totally and unabashedly full of shit?

   Unfortunately, your opinion does not matter.  Established law does.  Feelings do not overrule facts.
You're arguing yourself in a never-ending circle of stupidity.

   Tasers can incapacitate. There is always one known firearm in any encounter, the cops gun. A cop cannot be allowed to become incapacitated, otherwise he can lose control of his firearm. This particular criminal already demonstrated he's got no hesitation in feloniously taking an officer's weapon. He demonstrated nothing but criminal activity. There's no reason to believe he would not also take an officer's firearm if he was able to incapacitate the officer.

  Your problem is you keep blaming cops for the criminal's actions. And you just cant see it, or even consider being objectively reasonable, because you have been conditioned to follow the herd.

  Maybe this guy can explain a little better. I think I've mentioned all of his points, but here they are written by a professional.
  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-police-shooting-of-rayshard-brooks-in-atlanta-was-tragic-but-justifiable

Unfortunately these people have reached a point in their mental degradation where they put emotion in equivalence with or above logic. You can't use logic to prove a point to some one who thinks emotions equal facts. Emotions are the doorway through which they are conditioned to believe their feelings equal logic, opening them to be easily manipulated. On some level they know how absolutely full of shit they are, but their cognitive dissonance won't allow them to admit it. Even if they can admit it to themselves quietly, they believe the ends justify the means, and because they "feel" it is right, by virtue of their good will, their actions become logical and right. These people aren't going to stop until they end up in a bloody pile. This is the inevitable result any time logic exits the equation.

Since PopoJeff doesn't realize that the thing he is calling law, is really policy, what he says doesn't matter. The problem is that most people don't know the difference between law and policy - just like PopoJeff - so they succumb to the policy-makers in court.

8)

Some people, IE you. If that was a civilian he would have been absolutely justified in the same use of force. Your default freeman replies aren't going to cut it here. Common law has clear standards about use of force. When you become violent and victimize others, you legally have all the rights of a rabid animal under common law.

Yes, I forgot Mr Decker has his own law. So for your purposes I can extrapolate a wee bit further....

APD policy is in tune with established case law. And... well, that's about all it takes.  Department policies must adhere to current US and state law, not BADecker's version of law.

You seem to forget all the hundreds of cases where a verdict was handed down through the ignorance of the people within the case. Anybody can find dozens of cases that, if the defendant or his attorney had know or used some simple law or court case that they didn't use, the whole case would have changed.

The point? If all you want to do is rely on the ignorance of the people, you are way worse than the people being tried.

8)

You seem to forget we aren't talking about other cases, we are talking about this case.

What if the cops, while shooting at the running/fleeing dude missed and the bullet shot/killed a bystander (imagine a pregnant white woman).
Whose fault is that?  How does the situation get dealt with ?

Maybe cops are trained at shooting moving target, maybe they are good at shooting, but an error is always possible, and the consequences can be dramatic.
Lethal force, should always be put in the balance and chosen only in last resort (regardless of the guy was a multi recidivist felon, child beater and drunk).

Cops are trained to evaluate the situation. This doesn't make it always easy.

The point for you and me is that we never know for a fact that some accident, even death, isn't going to happen to us in the next minute. So, we should always be prepared for death as much as we can.

Cops evaluate the crowded street. They won't shoot except if the crook is killing people right and left... or if they have a clear, accurate shot.

Accidents happen, but cops are far, far, far, less likely to cause them than the crook. I sure don't want to get in my car a little later, and get killed by somebody running a red light. But it happens. And so do stray bullets.

8)

Couldn't agree more. One of the cardinal rules of firearms is to know your target, it's surroundings, and what's beyond it.
   In this case, I don't know what the officer saw

To me it seems that all this violence happened just because of incompetence of the country president. 4 years of bullshit has to show somehow.

The funny thing that I am noticing is that suddenly black in USA are realising they are actually "racist" feeling they are better then black people that live in Africa. All this revealings will open many yes.  

    This has absolutely nothing to do with the current President. The person in that seat has very little influence on how any cop does his job. If any President influenced police relations for the worse, it was Obama who started the war on cops and added fuel to the fire, making it OK to judge all cops by the actions of a few. The same thing no racial group wants to happen to them.
    If you watch anything other than the leftist controlled media, you'll find out this President has actually accomplished more for more people, regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation. Probably the only President in my lifetime to do what he said he would, and not just blow smoke. Reagan is the last one I remember being this effective at getting things accomplished.
   If only our current President didnt tweet so much and get suckered into engaging trolls.

   But if you've ever watched The Wizard of Oz.... you should be looking for the man behind the curtain. Everything you see happening now leads back to a huge political financial giant.

It has nothing to do with one cop. Or 10 cops. People just had it enough. When you become president you become president of whole country. Trump simply failed there. And was just adding more shit month over month. It all get packed with covid-19 lockouts and then, ....    This riots would happen sooner or latter. And if by some miracle Trump stays president for longer and continue what he is doing there will be more and in way bigger scale.

Where did Trump fail?   I'm listening.

Each State's Governor was responsible for their state's lockdown.
Each Officer is following Use of Force Rulings that have been in effect since 1985.

But, Trump's fault?   Please.... do tell....

I'm not arguing about what the law is.  I know the law and disagree with it. That is why we are protesting to begin with.  I don't think police should have firearms at all unless they are responding to a firearm.  Maybe keep it in the trunk.  Weak cops who cannot keep their weapons away from a drunk man two on 1, should not be carrying weapons at all.  

I'm not blaming cops for anyone's actions but their own.  People do bad shit in these interactions but rarely does it justify execution and its cops escalating the whole while and eventually pulling the trigger.  I hold the cops responsible for the results and ensuring the safety of everyone involved because that is their job. If the job is unreasonable then we should change the job and that is exactly the solution I'm suggesting.  I'm not following the herd either.  I've been suggesting police reform and taking away guns from beat cops   for over ten years.  
A person who uses logic with no emotions is a psychopath.  Emotions are the only way to incorporate empathy and compassion into decision making. A psychopath might think killing off all of the disabled would benefit society, but anyone with emotions and compassion would easily see the moral downside of an extreme decision like that and make the moral (not logical) argument against it.  

As I have said many times before, either you are a fucking moron or a liar. Nothing you suggest makes any God damned sense even if you manage to jam that last square neuron into that round role in that peanut you call a brain. Having a gun in the trunk is worth FUCK ALL. Yes, lets ask the homicidal maniac nicely if he would please not shoot you for a moment so you can go unlock the trunk.

Emotions are not equivalent to morals. Morals are a code of conduct, AKA logic. You should get a refund for your playskool psychology degree. Also, there are plenty of logical arguments against fucking eugenics dipshit, even if you are spending too much time drooling to think of them. Good try at an over the top straw man though, gold star for effort.

I would say it is exactly the opposite.  Psychopaths tend to be expert at using emotion.  At least the high-functioning ones do.  Since they are, by definition, lacking in some of the normal emotions (esp, empathy) they tend to study intently what makes normal people tick and thus obtain unique insights into how emotion works.  A characteristic of psychopaths IS that they use emotive methods and often extremely effectively.

A 'truther' would tend to lean most heavily on logic and reason.  Since they are usually not psychopaths emotion does get the better of them fairly often though.  When I think of what the psychos have done to ordinary people with their 'waves' ('covid-19' scamdemic, staged Floyd killing, etc) I go through brief periods of rage.  I actually do get 'triggered'.  But it only lasts a few seconds before I get it under control because I know (from experience) how detrimental blind rage is toward a goal of accomplishing anything productive.

There it is. The single most ill-conceived notion Ive seen on the internet today.

Guess how many people will sign up to be a cop when you take away their right of self defense?

Congratulations, you just allowed criminals to win.


And this, from the same party that wants to ban private gun ownership by saying, "only the cops should have guns."

He simply dont have a character to be a president. Not everyone can be a country president, so that is not a fail. It is a fail for those that nominated and elected him. He is simply guy that people and press dont like. And he is incapable to fix that.

IMO the response to Floyd's tragic murder has been on-net rather positive. I don't like the focus on race, but the ability of police to literally get away with murder (and even more easily get away with a bit less than murder) has long been a huge problem. As an ancap, I love the fact that "defund police!" is becoming a war cry of some, even if most of the people behind this aren't thinking about it in nearly the same way I am.

That said, I recently learned that the family of George Floyd is being represented by the lawyer Ben Crump. Ben Crump also represented the family of Trayvon Martin, and is responsible for successfully spreading a huge amount of false information in that case. Most people think that Zimmerman in that case was unfairly acquitted, when in fact Zimmerman was clearly acting in self-defense, and most of the arguments offered by Crump were complete fabrications which the media ate up but which the jury correctly and thankfully rejected. He even got away with a crazy witness-swap thing; see The Trayvon Hoax by Joel Gilbert. Since Crump is involved here, we're all probably about to hear a whole lot of complete bullshit fabricated by Crump and amplified by the media, if we haven't already. I think that Floyd actually was murdered by the police, so it's a real shame that Crump is going to turn this into the biggest circus he possibly can.

Positive indeed.

"Police Morale TANKING, Officers Find RAZOR In Food, NYPD Report Bleach Like Substance In Shakes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGyPyGzFUbE

people hate the police, because the police protects the people from themselves.

I've had this deleted along with some other posts so will re post without comment this time so I cannot be accused of infringing terms and conditions and not complying with posting rules.If it is deleted again it means someone is moderating with personal bias ;) ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaewMJtXkAIA-DV?format=jpg&name=small

It wouldn't be the first time. This place is a bastion of free speech, until the moderators decide to selectively interpret the rules. Your post is clearly on topic regarding police violence and the Minneapolis riots, but I can already hear Flying Hellfish say "Yeah but gender wasn't related to this case. Gender is just a social construct anyway."

It would be exciting to hear how many of those males are black as compared with the females that are black, etc.

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Update to this story - The DA announced 11 charges on the officer involved, including felony murder. The second officer involved in this incident also faces 3 charges.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/fulton-county-da-announces-charges-in-death-of-rayshard-brooks

Got this in an email. So, somebody show me if the following statistics are wrong, and where.

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According to the “ FBI Uniform Crime Report and the Washington Post “  last year 2019 there were 10 million arrests by police...   yes ...    10  MILLION

Out of those 10 MILLION arrests there were  1,004  police officer involved fatalities.

Out of those 1,004 police officer involved fatalities   41   were unarmed individuals.

Out of those  41  police officer involved unarmed fatalities -  now you might find it hard to believe I know, but out of 41 deaths, now hear this...


Now one is one too many but  41 out of  10  million is remarkable !

 
Now...  how many police officers were killed in the line of duty — take a wild guess. ?

89  POLICE officers were killed - but where is the media on that one ?

Just to bring it home to you.   Take another guess at how many people were shot in CHICAGO just this pass weekend.

In Chicago  82   people were shot within a 48 hour period.   Of those 82 people  19  people died !

Yes you got it.   In Chicago alone - last weekend alone there were more black people killed by (wait for it...) more black people, than were killed by police officers - in all of last year - 2019

The radical democrat and lying media hypocrisy is unbelievable - their message to the American public is completely and utterly “ FALSE “ -  “ DISHONEST “ and “ DISGUSTING “ on every level !

Do not believe these facts - please research and see for yourself !  

Thank you to Bernard Kerik, Former NYPD Pokice Commissioner for sharing this information.  



 :)

None of these facts have been denied, contradicted, or ignored by the media or politicians.  In fact, they are part of why we are angry.

1. More unarmed white people are killed than blacks.  

This is true because there are more white people.  The issue is the proportion seen in the graphic below.   This stat should also alarm people who don't even care about black lives.  Everyone should be concerned about police brutality.  There is an underlying problem with general policing.  Racism is an additional problem embedded into the entire system so just like any other systemic failure (such as COVID, diabetes, etc), black people will be affected disproportionately.  
https://thesocietypages.org/toolbox/files/2020/05/Screen-Shot-2020-05-26-at-10.57.03-AM-1024x721.png

2. Chicago (like many american cities) has a high violent crime rate.

This is true and also more reason for police reform/defunding/abolition.  The police are responsible for fighting crime so when crime is high, the police have failed and nowhere is that history of failure documented as much as Chicago.  The police department has a deep history of corruption, organized crime, and racism.  Who do you call when the police are criminals?  no one.   When people don't trust the police, criminals can operate freely and that is what you have in Chicago.  

Its time to take a ton of money out of police departments and put it towards the many things we know will help prevent crime instead of perpetuate it.

I received messages that 3 of my comments on this thread were deleted.  Upon review, they are all factual information. So the bias is apparent, facts don't matter. 2 decades of actual experience in this subject don't matter.

No reason to post truths here anymore.  Y'all have fun.

But to keep this one 'on topic'......  I believe Minneapolis can burn. Riot and wreck your community you fools

And to address the above post, of course more black males age 18-35 are killed by police, in disparity from population make up,  they are responsible for +/- HALF of all violent crime although comprising only 1.4% of the US population.
   If HALF of ALL VIOLENT crime Police respond to is being committed by black males age 18-35, then they are making up 50% of all police contacts, but yet more white boys get killed.  Seems the whiteys should be rioting.

Yep, everything in the world is looking pretty turbulent right now.

The statistic argument is only a part of the picture here. By implying that black people are just lazy because they're black, or commit crime because they're black, or shouldn't complain about racism because they're black you are implying that black people are generally inferior to white people.  Or, in other words, White people are superior to black people.  Or, to put it bluntly, these are white supremacist arguments.

Yeah this is true and its part of the problem so you're close to getting it.  You just need to ask "why?" for any stat that doesn't match the population graph.  The answer almost always ties back into systemic racism. 

Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.


Facts^^^^^^^

The real enemy are those stoking divisions between people so if those who are blindly following the mass hysteria herd,step back and look at the facts,the whole truth and not just the selected truth to suit the current hashtag narrative,they should be able to make rational based decisions and not be consumed by this hysteria designed in the end to exploit their emotional based nature and in the end create something that is neither in the interest of ordinary Black or White people.It is the common masses of ALL races that are being deceived right now.

~respectfully submitted

  Moderate observer :)

This type of crap pisses me off.  This was not a racist situation, this was a situation where an officer of the law broke the law and killed a man and there is no reason that this should have turned violent like it did. Now they are taking down flags and statutes, taking programming off television, and removing products from the shelves that have been a mark on our society for generations. I am so sick of people turning things racist. I could go on and on, but I just want to voice my disgust at this time.

Ok, be explicit then.  Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?

If not, then what is your explanation for the facts. (white vs black crime, income, education, health, etc)

I see you are back to using your favorite logical fallacy, the style of "Are you still beating your wife?"

Typical leftist ideology and theory..... if you dont like the truth, blame it on racism.

The supply of real racism has dwindled so badly in the recent years, yet the liberals have such a high demand for racism....this is what you get.

Interesting how you never heard of Systemic or Institutional racism a dozen years ago. Apparently we needed to come up with a new theory, which in itself, I believe is racist.
  For the liberals to see racism in everything, they are implying that they believe the black race is not able succeed on their own, so they need little white liberals help.

The system here in the US is SOOOOOO racist, that it prevented a black man from being President of the US over a decade ago..... oh wait.


You say .... BS PopoJeff, you're full of it.  Ok then, why do these issues only show up at election time?
Nothing more than liberal propaganda. And you youngsters are drinking the koolaid.

Growing up in the '70s and '80s, we didnt have this BS. We could actually find humor in the old racist ways. We got along without just assuming someone was racist based on their skin color. Watch Blazing Saddles, or the 1975 SNL interview skit with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor.

Yeah this is true and its part of the problem so you're close to getting it.  You just need to ask "why?" for any stat that doesn't match the population graph.  The answer almost always ties back into systemic racism...
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Can you explain something to me?

How do the new orders for each day's new talking points get delivered to you?

What is the truth then?  How do you explain those statistics?

I'm not questioning the numbers here, I'm curious why you think they are what they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States


Is racism the explanation for a black person killing another black person? Did white people make a black person kill another black person?
Is racism the explanation for 'thug life' and the perpetuation of criminal activity?
Is racism the explanation for Chicago's unreal homicide rate?
"Street Cred" ?

The statistics are only part of the problem, yet it is a big part of the problem, and one Postmodernist Marxists such as yourselves avoid at all cost, because it would require not only self examination, but personal responsibility. Everyone knows Marxist victim culture race hustling dies in the light of personal responsibility, and you can't have that now can you?

You people are complaining about some one throwing a firecracker into some ones yard while the supposed victims are carpet bombing themselves. Your focus is irrelevant in the larger context of ACTUAL REALITY, not just the myopic context erasing hyper-focus you depend on to perpetuate your Marxist race hustling.

Marxism has a simple formula. Either find or manufacture victims, teach them that they are justified in victimizing others to create "equality", which then results in even more victims, which can then be utilized in a giant carcinogenic feedback loop of human centipede like fecal consumption of victim-hood. They find actual genuine causes, infiltrate them, then subvert the efforts from their original goals into Marxist goals until the now decaying husk of an organization has its reputation ruined, then they move on to the next.

This is done with organizations focused on minority rights, LGBT rights, poverty issues, education, environmental issues, migrant groups, etc, anything where victims can be found or created. These victims are then used as human shields to perpetuate their political goals, and anyone against their political goals are now automatically racist/sexist/homophobic/deniers/etc. None of you give a good God damn about these people you use as political pawns, you only care that they are a means to your end. If you cared about these people you wouldn't CONSTANTLY struggle to hide the underlying causes and core facts of these issues, preventing them from being effectively addressed. Of course if the real causes are addressed, you don't get to keep your human shields now do you?

Lets look at some facts:

Blacks or African Americans account for 12.6% of the US population.

https://archive.vn/20200213004951/https://factfinder.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/ACS/15_5YR/DP05/0100000US


"According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf



93% of African American murder victims are killed by other African Americans.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf


"While young black males have accounted for about 1% of the population from 1980 to 2008, they have made up an increasing proportion of homicide victims, going from 9% of all homicide victims in 1980 to 18% in 1994...
By 2008, young black males made up about a quarter of all homicide offenders (27%)"

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf



"...errors in police deadly force decision making (cases in which police shoot unarmed, non-attacking citizens) occur at a rate of about one in a million."

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/



"...between 90 and 95 percent of civilians shot were attacking police or others. "

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/



"Researchers also found that 90 percent of civilians shot by the police in 2015 were “armed.”  Notably, the definition of “armed” did not include civilians attempting to take an officer’s gun."

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/



"The factor that correlated most strongly to the race of the person fatally shot was the violent crime rate of their racial group."

https://www.forcescience.org/2019/08/researchers-find-no-racial-disparity-in-police-deadly-forceand-thats-just-the-beginning/




I look forward to the incessant screeching of "REEEEEEEEEEEEEECISM!" in response to these facts.

I think the disproportional crime rates, education levels, overall health is all due to the gap in income, especially poverty levels.

8.9% of Whites under 18 live in poverty compared to  28.5% of Blacks.

https://i.gyazo.com/33ff7811bcd72e3625927bff178c4d9c.png

I think this can be directly attributed to the fact that 156 years ago black people had zero rights and it's only been 56 years since the civil rights act.

Things are definitely better now than they were in 1964 and in 1964 they were definitely better than they were in 1865, but I don't think that kind of systemic racism can just go away over the course of a few generations, and those stats you keep posting are , in my opinion evidence of that.

What is your opinion on why the stats are so different for white and black people?  I'm honestly curious.

Weird, you would think that since young Asians have a higher poverty rate than whites in the US, that they would have a higher rate of criminal activity if your explanation has any basis, but the opposite is true. This is exactly why shithustlers like you avoid statistics at all costs, because you reply completely upon assumptions, emotional appeal, and just flat out being full of shit.

Ah stop being so ridiculous.Nobody is generalizing any race or claiming superiority.Your retorts are like that of any other Left Wing Extremist who slanders anyone who has a differing opinion to this media frenzy,as a white supremacist.You obviously have a personal bias towards the "movement" whereas I don't.

There are many good productive people from BOTH races as there are many highly qualified professionals,academics,and general decent people from BOTH races.Likewise there are many lawless,criminal and degenerate types from BOTH races however poverty,disadvantage or lack of privilege is NEVER an excuse for Violent crime or reason to infringe upon the constitutional rights of others.

Yes the cop who killed Mr Floyd was a perfect example of police brutality but black people and white snowflakes ignoring the fact that white people suffer under this same brutality are diverting the attention away from the whole issue and causing target fixation on only a part of it.This in itself is a disservice to society and also allows the instigators of the collapse of a peaceful legitimate protest get away with what they are doing and some the media are collaborators with their co conspirators who want to make this into a divisive race matter when it should simply be a police brutality matter.In fairness then,Black people ignoring injustices suffered by white people killed unjustly at the hands of the police are being "racist" and "their silence is ALSO violence".


You need to focus your attention on the gangbangers selling drugs murdering other black people while being glorified by celebrity gangster rappers for their "lifestyle choices" and stop blaming society for their bad choices.Many black and white under privileged people work and educate their way out of poverty and the job of government is to provide plenty of opportunity and jobs for people instead of squandering it on foreign wars and other shit that causes mayhem.

Leftist extremists only want a government that steals from the productive and gives to the unproductive which in the end leaves NO incentive for anyone ..to do shit,while they advocate for people incarcerated for drug offenses be released from prison imediately.Drugs are one of the main causes in areas stricken with poverty and he we have our "social justice warriors" wanting the same people who have caused serious issues among the community to be free to carry on their trade.People who sell drugs do so mainly out of greed while people who steal baby food and bread do so mainly out of desperation.They need to sort out their fucking priorities ;-)

Stop making excuses for violent criminal behavior and lawlessness and indirectly through such excuses support this activity.Next you will be making excuses for the gangs roaming all across south Africa targeting and murdering old white people in their homes,crucifying & raping and pillaging their "way out of poverty".

The people legitimately protesting need to stop colluding with these rioters by remaining silent about the mayhem and evict them from their peaceful protest and at the same time sort out their racist attitude towards white people.

Be gone with your fucking nonsense :-)

I honestly still don't get the point of racism since it seems ridiculous considering there's great people from all races. Where I live and grew up, we're all pretty much something of everything from black to white, latin, asian, etc and there really doesn't feel like many issues here (most people are kind and go out of their way to help you if you need regardless of race). I think more than anything, at least in my eyes is the fact that the cop killed a person. No cop should kill a person when they aren't resisting and aren't in some sort of danger so I really do feel like the cop that killed George had a lot of malice.

Twitch has received his new talking points, and he gonna talk them.

Actually using brain cells is NOT part of the requirement for Internet Democratic Operatives, and in fact is a negative.

seems like fine question by twitch.  i dont get all the personal attacks on him hes being reasonable and just sharing his thoughts and asking about yours isnt that why we come to a forum like this?

I've already made note of the logical fallacy in Twitch's "question", and he's routinely done this before. That's not in the least a personal attack.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html

I agree with pretty much everyone who's attacked me that we have to look at the facts.  And I'm not questioning the facts they've presented.

An American Black person is more likely to commit a crime, live in poverty, be less healthy and less educated than an American White person.

The question I'm asking is why?

I've shared my opinion already (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5251606.msg54650581#msg54650581), but I'm open minded and able to have my mind changed....what do you guys think?

The WHY behind the matter can never be pinned down exactly. We'd love to find the one explanation and blame it on that, but there is no ONE explanation.

We'd love to say 'systemic racism' or 'institutional racism' in the US.... but those are made up theories that are easily disproven when you look outside the US to find very similar racial disparities in other countries and continents.

We'd love to say 'redlining' practices of some cities kept the blacks in poverty areas, but you'll find research that shows there were more white people in those areas.

The so called 'experts' in race shaming whites for the plight of the blacks are actually the biggest racists of them all, including the Democratic Party. Just think how racist it is to think so poorly of black people that you feel the need to speak for their kind and explain why they can't get ahead without your help.


I cant say I have the one answer to your question, and I doubt there is one answer.  There are so many exceptions to the rule, that it's really not a rule anymore.
   There are successful people of EVERY race and gender in every level of the economy and government. We're Sooooooo racist in the US that we had a black President. And we see failures from every race too.

I've seen scientific studies indicating darker pigmented mammals have higher levels of testosterone. Higher levels of testosterone decrease intelligence and increase propensity for violence. I've seen studies of increased breakdown of the family structure being a clue. Absentee fathers. Etc...

There are so any generalizations with shaky evidence, that I doubt most of the theories.

In my opinion, there's no ONE answer, but I put a lot of weight on individual responsibility and the lack of it in the poorer black neighborhoods. When the elitist liberals, entire Democratic Party, and the left-owned media tell you day after day that your life is someone else's fault, the government will pay/feed/save you, you are owed something for doing nothing, and white people hate you......  why the heck should you think any differently and take responsibility for your own life?  

And to keep 'on topic' to avoid biased moderation.... Riots are counterproductive, only reinforcing stereotypes.


But if you think it's all about race, and has nothing to do with one political party manipulating as much as they can to keep themselves in power, you'd be a fool.

A Democratic President's words... not mine.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/15769.Lyndon_B_Johnson

Your use of statistics is incorrect.

Suppose you and I line up with several other people who happen to be black. Of any number of strong statistical factors, making us similar and different, race is a WEAK FACTOR.
I suspect it's a very, very weak factor. Those of us in inter racial marriages and families really laugh at this kind of analysis. But your political environment wants to focus on that as the MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR.

Thus I have to agree with others that the premises on which your questions are based are flawed, but that's only due to your work as a Democratic Operative. I understand, you're not in control of what they tell you to parrot, the talking points for this week.

I understand you don't believe systemic racism exists.  I disagree.  But for arguments sake lets say I agree with you and systemic racism is no longer a possible cause.  What are some possible causes?  One logical explanation would be that White people are just better suited in some biological way to lead a successful life and contribute to society.  I honestly can't think of any others.  Can you?

"Black Lives Matter Co-Founder Says ‘Our Goal Is to Get Trump Out’"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/black-lives-matter-co-founder-says-our-goal-is-to-get-trump-out_3395820.html

We were assuming his opinions were based on racist, white supremacist ideas but that post is full of evidence that makes it much more than an assumption now.  Be wary of anyone whose posts use individual examples to dispel systemic racism.   Systemic racism never implied that every single black person's success was prevented.  

Take leaded water as one piece of the racist pie.  You can have lead leech into a population's water supply and there is a well known mechanism for how this impairs cognitive development and impulse control and then have a generation of children who grow up with higher rates of criminality.  Thats not saying every single child who drinks the water will become a criminal but its an increased likelihood.  Some individuals are so exceptional that they can overcome and many are unaffected.  

So why don't they just move where the water is clean?

This attitude intentionally ignores the history of segregation in the US.  Most black people have parents or grandparents who were forced to live in certain areas; often the most polluted areas of the city, breathe dirty air, drink dirty water, and go to shitty schools.  You can't just "take responsibility" for something that is enforced throughout society.

Then theres non-violent crimes.  You may say "well then don't commit crimte" but  white kids smoke pot (at a higher rate) or commit petty crimes and its just "mischief" they get off for and go on to lead normal lives.  Poor black kids smoke pot (at a lower rate) and police are sent in to catch them (at a much higher rate) and get them involved in the system.  We have a justice system and prison system that is intentionally retributive and makes very little attempt to rehabilitate.  In fact, blacks consistently get harsher penalties for the same exact crimes.    Our prisons take in people who used drugs, turns them into criminals, then puts them back on the street with even LESS opportunities.  

Also, if you're going to use Obama as an example, you might want to look into his family history and upbringing because theres a certain detail that specifically  allowed his family more opportunity which directly affected him.
Yep.  There it is.  Popojeff is a white supremacist.  He had to preface it with about 3 paragraphs of fluff before backing into it, but it came right out.  Of course, he wrote the post in a way where he can back out of it, because he's a closet white supremacist.  

And look at you, following page 2 of the Democrat playbook..... call them racist if you don't know how to discuss facts.

You've proven you refuse to look at facts, or consider anything other than the lies that are pushed down your throat. JUST CALL THEM RACIST IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO !

Are you saying Obama wasn't black, or wasn't successful ?

Tell me what's more racist:
 1. Reading written words on an Internet forum a discussing the facts behind them.
2. Assuming ones skin color and white supremacy by the words they wrote?

You've never seen me, have no idea what my skin color is, and your racist mind assumes I'm white.

^^^^^^^^^^^
There it is internet, the most racist thing you'll ever see. From the ones who scream racism at everything they don't like.

My black brethren thank you for speaking up for us, apparently we are too stupid to do it ourselves.
There it is internet,

I've agreed with all of the facts you posted and have known about them for a long time.  We only differ on why we think those stats are the way they are.  I attribute the current state of things to history.  

Where did I assume your skin color?  Everyone over a certain age in most of this country was indoctrinated into a white supremacist world view from a young age.  Candace Owens is a notable black white supremacist.  The thing about ignorance is that it doesn't need to make sense.

Having a white supremacist world view doesn't mean that your intentions are bad, it just means that you honestly believe the disparities in the statistics exist because people with a darker skin tones have, as a whole, made choices that are inferior to the choices made by people with white skin.  

The alternative to the white supremacist world view is to acknowledge the disparities exist due to the historical fact that black people have been systematically oppressed by the legal, financial, health, housing, labor, education, and criminal justice systems throughout the course of this nation's history and that the residual effects of that historical oppression still linger, and are still being furthered today.  

Overcoming systemic oppression is not about being "stupid" or "smart" because even if we were living in a capitalist system completely absent of racism, family wealth would be the number one factor that determines your future and the racial wealth gap is ever increasing.

And yes, I do believe children are "too stupid" to overcome the effects of generational poverty and give themselves a level playing field in the first 10 years which are the most important developmental years.  

Obama is black and successful but he wasn't the best example because he had the advantage of being raised by people with white privilege.  With that said, there are definitely extremely gifted individuals who came out of nothing with much less than Obama and I want to reiterate the point that outliers do not dispel trends.   If a failure is an outlier, it is an individual problem but if failure is a statistical trend, it is a societal problem.

Absolutely ludicrous to call a black person with a conservative ideology a "white supremacict."

Absolutely irresponsible.

This is where liberals have convinced you to associate conservative/liberal with white/black.
This is where they have failed you.
And you still cant see the hypocrisy

Which is more racist? Addressing the real causes of these issues so they can be addressed, or obfuscating these truths in order to use minority groups as pets, human shields, and puppets for your cancerous Postmodernist Marxist ideological goals?

Look TECSHARE, racial disparities:


What do you think the cause is of these racial disparities?  Everyone claiming systemic racism doesn't exist so far has been unable to provide any sort of opinion on this, other than what's not causing it.

But here are the goals of BLM from their website which also overlap with many of the causes of the disparities and just so happen to align with my goals.  Are you saying that the issues on this list do not address the causes of the statistical disparities?

Racial Injustice
Police Brutality
Criminal Justice Reform
Black Immigration
Economic Injustice
LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights
Environmental Conditions
Voting Rights & Suppression
Healthcare
Government Corruption
Education
Commonsense Gun Laws

You have to admit getting the bold items done is at least start, right?

I am saying you and everyone like you are mentally ill and completely full of shit. I don't care what you tell me your goals are, I see the results of your actions and they acheive the exact opposite.

AGREE WITH US OR ELSE !!!.    We'll burn down your cities, assault your cops, and tear down your statues unless you agree with us.

The most violent people aren't the blacks... they're the liberals of all colors

The statues are coming down regardless of how many people agree with us  ;D

Yes, destroying art, erasing history, preventing people from speaking, keeping books from being published, rioting, looting, mob violence, where have we seen all of this before? One day you little kids LAARPING game is going to turn very real, and all you will be doing is crying for your mommy and wishing you could take it all back, but it will be too late for you.

Peaceful men are peaceful until you push them too far, then God help you because the torment that will be unleashed upon you will make you WISH you were dead. Remember me when this comes to pass Comtard. Remember how the person you considered to be a rival was actually the one trying to warn you about your own destruction.

Here's a painting of Patriots tearing down a statue of King George in 1776.


https://i.gyazo.com/70de29950b81495535e1b0a4aeb8d30c.png

Tearing down monuments is a part of history.

And BINGO, there it is. First the logical fallacy of the loaded questions - both you and Twitch, and now your attempt to entrap people that responded to your shit.

It does seem like popojeff thinks the reason for all the racial disparities is simply because black people are just naturally inferior compared to White people.  I've asked directly several times now: if the reason isn't systemic racism, than what is it?  Nobody seems to be able to come up with a rational explanation and instead resort to personal attacks and trolling.

Yeah after a war of independence. That wasn't history for them, that was their modern day. War for independence from him, mentally ill unwashed comtards pushing Marxism, same thing right?



It does seem like you, having been completely unable to present any kind of logical argument to counter facts, are again forced to resort to accusing anyone who denies your social justice religious cult of racism and white supremacy. You are mentally ill, full of shit, or both.

Let's be honest here. You've crafted loaded questions before, ones that lead answers in directions that you sought. I've pointed this out. This is a real insult to those of us out here who work and live in multi cultural situations, and who are in inter racial marriages. You've politicized issues, and it's all quite obvious. What Popojeff did wrong was taking you seriously. The bigoted, racist, prejudiced person that I'm seeing here is you, but that's a separate issue. Coinsforcommies is just a liar pushing dialectic, but I think you could do better.

We agree on the facts.  I've said this many times, I'm not sure why you keep saying that.  I'm not countering any facts.

It's the WHY the facts are what they are that we're discussing.

I'm also honestly interested in your opinion.

When do you think black people were no longer affected by systemic racism?  Surely it had to be a gradual process right?

Here's the time line:
400 years ago the first slaves were brought over from Africa to Virginia
156 years ago they were no longer considered personal property that could be owned by White Men.
56 years ago the civil rights act was passed.

At what point did systemic racism completely phase out of America?

I gave you a reasonable information, and said my "answer" is that there is no ONE answer
Here's the refresher if you've already convoluted the words in your brain.


You just dismiss it as racism.

We know systemic racism isn't the answer either. That's been proven an incorrect theory created for political influence.  

So if it's not systemic racism, and you think my input is racist. Then what's your theory ?

It's not COMPLETELY phased out, Asian Americans are still facing blatant discrimination in college admissions. They have to have much better test scores than other racial groups such as Blacks to get into the better colleges. This is well known and is accepted method to liberals. Why?

Of course, "systemic racism" as you use it is largely imaginary. But the admissions policies are hard facts, and they actually do incorporate racism against Asians.

I saw his juvenile loaded question.  I knew what he was hoping to hear.
 I didn't bite, and gave him a non-answer answer, and as expected from real racists like him, he believed the non-answer answer was racist, and accused me of white supremacy... literally assuming my skin color based on words written.

His parents must be so proud, he's able to microwave his own pizza rolls now.  

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/08/03/us/affirmative-action-in-colleges-and-representation-of-blacks-and-hispanics-1503525136789/affirmative-action-in-colleges-and-representation-of-blacks-and-hispanics-1503525136789-facebookJumbo-v15.png
Dispelled

Lol, he was just jumping at his puppet master's heels waiting to pop that accusation of "WHITE SUPREMICIST!" out. Yes, it's pretty obvious but these guys don't see it because they're too busy CRUSADING.

My friends in communist block countries just shake their heads and chuckle at how absolutely stupid idiotic, idealistic American "Socialists" are concerning how things actually work.

This reminds me of your 'global cooling is the greatest threat to the planet and global warming is a hoax' argument.

So Asians (a race) are not systematically discriminated against in college admissions?

Affirmative action is only partially offsetting some of the privilege Asian and white students already have (built into the testing scores).  Affirmative action hasn't ended systemic racism but it has decelerated the growth in disparities caused by it.   You asked for solutions to increased crime. Well access to higher education is one of the best ways to offset the underlying causes of the problems we've been talking about.

From the same article as the graphic I posted above...If you interpreted that graph, you'd already see that Asains are now the most overrepresented group at our top colleges and rising.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html

Yes, they are and so are White people.  Education plays a major roll in systemic racism.  Black and Hispanic young adults go to college at a much lower rate than Whites and Asians, accepting more Black and Hispanic students has a long term affect on systemic racism.  Someone with a college education is less likely to live in poverty, commit crime, etc.  And the same goes for their children, grandchildren etc.

You asked me a direct question and I answered it.  Will you answer mine please?

Why do you think there's such a disparity between black and white people with regards to poverty, health and crime?

Anyone that thinks life is fair or can be made fair is a fucking idiot. Now let's start figuring out how to fix the systematic racism against asians at places like Harvard and Yale. Want a hint? It's not by rioting and violence.

Oh I know!  You think they should stop letting so many black people into good schools.

Their grandparents weren't allowed to go to school with White people at all, and their grandparents grandparents were literally slaves so they should appreciate what they have now and stfu about White people making more money and living longer.

Am I close?

What you are is explicitly racist, prejudiced, and operating with blatant stereotypes.

As others have pointed out.

Yeah, according to TECSHARE the KKKK are less racist than me.

I'm also both brainwashed and don't have a brain, suffer from TDS, a little bitch, and I would happily give a nazi a blow job should the opportunity arise.

Just to be clear, " explicitly racist, prejudiced, and operating with blatant stereotypes. " is not an an hominem argument, but purely descriptive of behavior based on your own words and concepts.

There would seem to be no way around this.

Techshare does not, by way of contrast, show " explicitly racist, prejudiced " viewpoints. Such labels applied to him are ad hominem logical arguments. More precisely though, they are part of your scripted dialectic, that which you've been handed and told to work with.

Since the Civil Rights Movement explicit racism has been less and less prevalent in America.

Cases of implicit racism seem to be on the rise recently, especially since the the BLM movement has gone global.

Stereotyping all BLM protesters as thugs and violent criminals, or stating racial crime statistics without any context as a rebuttal to the BLM movement are both examples of implicit racism.

Blacks are much poorer than whites, are less likely to have stable families, are less likely to have high-quality educations, etc. This is caused mostly by past slavery, long-time government oppression, and past racism. A freed slave had no property or education, so they couldn't afford to educate their children or give them much property. Furthermore, they were often basically forced into a pseudo-slavery system by the government. Then due to poor education and racist laws, the next several generations found it very difficult to accumulate much wealth and very easy to have any wealth they did accumulate taken from them. Government, courts, and society were constantly pushing them back in an ever-deeper hole. Even a couple of generations ago, after most of the racism written into law was gone, societal racism was a drag on these people.

However, now the direct racism is mostly gone. There are still a small number of racist people in powerful positions, but IMO it's a minor factor. If you reformed every single one of these people, I don't think you'd see much difference in society. The problem is that many black families were pushed into a very deep hole, and they just haven't had time to dig themselves out yet, even though society is no longer still dragging them back into the hole very much. Generations of oppression isn't going to be undone immediately, even when the oppression stops.

The justice system, business, etc. is biased against poor and uneducated people, which disproportionately affects certain minorities, but this is because these groups are disproportionately poor and uneducated, due for example to the previously-mentioned factors. Poor and uneducated whites are also treated poorly by the justice system.

Blaming the racial inequality on "structural racism" is counter-productive: First, modern racism is IMO not actually a huge part of what's causing this inequality, so you're aiming at the wrong target. Second, a lot of conservatives see this stuff as you calling them racist even when they're not, which prevents you from ever getting their support. Third, policies which are designed to help one race over another (such as racial affirmative action or diversity quotas) in order to balance inequalities are themselves racist and unfair, and a lot of people despise such policies. Instead of complaining about "structural racism", it'd be more effective to support programs that help poor and uneducated people across the board. Since minorities are disproportionately poor and uneducated, any such programs will disproportionately help minorities; it's like affirmative action, but without pissing people off.

Many of the mainstream-left proposals are also simply ineffective: Affirmative action and diversity initiatives help a few individuals, but have little effect on the group as a whole. Many types of welfare encourage dependence on the government and discourage work, just making things worse. Government education sucks in general, and throwing more money at it rarely helps. IMO the solution probably has to do with ensuring stable family lives and good education. Ending the drug war and helping people addicted to drugs would be a good idea. Helping people relocate from inner cities without any good jobs to lower-population-density areas with decent jobs would be a good idea. Ensuring that children are going to good schools, have good nutrition, and are not distracted by home issues would be a good idea. (I'd ideally advocate doing all this through non-profits, not government.)

The BLM "Platform" is explicitly racist.

I notice you are now trying to distinguish between "explicit" and "implicit."

"Implicit" is interesting because by way of this subterfuge you would assign to yourself the ability to judge such a thing.

But it's laughably easy to see through this ruse.

One problem with this "New Trend" which you are parroting is that it ignores many things that were well understood as causative to issues with American blacks. For example, it's been well documented that Johnson's (DEMOCRAT) "Great Society" initiative was a major factor in disintegration of black families, and the huge tracts of low income housing built were totally destined to become ghettos.

Learn from history, and move forward.

Ignore history, blame "implicit racism", see it everywhere, strive to adjudicate it's presence from your own assumed moral authority, and regress.

But taking the latter course assists the attempt to take over the Democratic Party, and the country or sections of it, with the new perverted, authoritarian and totalitarian Left. Facts don't matter, getting power does matter.

Right?

   It's really getting funny how hypocritical the left is... point the finger... point the finger, and everyone looks over there. They pay no attention to what you are doing, just what you point at.
   Implicit racism, institutional racism, systemic racism, this racism, that racism..... they come out with a new type of racism whenever they run out of the last one.

  They keep talking in a circle, but always hit on one point....... poverty.   Now, in the Democrats eyes (yes, this is all political now), the poverty is caused by racism. (Look over there). Whatever type of racism they attribute it to is always disproved, so they'll create a new type of racism next election cycle.  But the poverty is actually caused by Liberal Democrat policies, in Democrat controlled cities, in Democrat controlled states.
    They'll show you propaganda films of black kids being unable to succeed because they couldn't go to a good rich school 2 blocks away because of imaginary lines. But when they'll leave out the part of school funding, and increased funding to poorer schools had ZERO effect. It's proven that throwing money at poverty doesnt work, it just creates dependency, and that's what the Democrats want.
    We see higher crime rates among the poor in every race. The black community fears racism, and when you can control someone's fear, you control them.  Just like their Democratic President LBJ said, they'll keep them voting Democrat for 200 years. The poor communities are being kept poor intentionally. The Democrats give the poor free money, free housing, free food. The poor have literally zero incentive to work, better their lives, or leave their free accommodations. And thats how the Democrats want it.
   And what' the next best voter base they can manipulate?  The young and naive. Shove propaganda down the throats of the young naive kids with feelings via Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and you can make someone born less than two decades ago think they are guilty for something that happened two centuries ago.

  Some of us have been on this earth long enough to see this happen EVERY election cycle. Theres a routine. Theres a pattern.

   But do not fret.... there is a cure for racism. And the Democrats have already found it. It's OPEN BORDERS.  They've already done studies on the Latino vs Black birth rates in the US. The black birth relate is dropping, and the Latino birth rate is rising. Open borders can expedite their plan, and once they feel they can manipulate the larger Latino vote, you will see the switch happen. All of a sudden, you'll see the political battle cry switch from black racism to Latino something. Racism will have been cured.

   Have you not noticed already, the change in the narrative from the last election cycle?   4 years ago, it was just RACISM, RACISM.   That didnt work, so now they want to scream it louder, come up with systemic racism, oh, and this time lets throw in some white supremacy to top it off.   Yes, one talking head in this thread actually called Candice Owes a white supremacist.  

On topic..... George Floyd was a career criminal with a much higher probability of dying while committing crime, than a non-criminal.  

There is a major difference between tearing down a statue of someone who is currently imposing tyranny (or was just forcibly stopped from continuing doing so) upon a group of people, and a statute of a historical figure. The former is a sign that the tyrant's reign has stopped, and the former is destroying history. I actually suspect the intention of tearing down historical statues is going to lead to eventually (not long from now) rewriting history.
The obvious solution would be to increase charter schools in poor areas.

Ineffective public schools have lead to horribly math and reading proficiency scores in poor areas of the country. Charter schools have consistently done a better job at educating students. In New York City, there were 28 classes in which charter schools shared buildings with public schools. Roughly (https://www.wsj.com/articles/charter-schools-enemies-block-black-success-11592520626) 10% of public school students were proficient on statewide tests, while between 81 and 100% of students at charter schools received proficient scores on the same tests.

It would be difficult to do both. It would probably be a good idea to rethink the approach to the drug war. Leniency should be given to very low-level offenders first several offenses, but those who sell drugs should be punished. Drug dealers profit off of people getting addicted to the drugs they are selling, which causes real harm to both their customers and society as a whole. Due to the high-profit margins from selling drugs, drug dealers can afford to extend high-risk credit to their buyers and offer deep discounts to those who cannot afford to pay the full price, which makes it difficult to break addictions.

The attempt to do this is happening now, for example with the 1619 Project.

These are the same people that were pushing Hillary Clinton, that were pushing for Russia Collusion, for impeachment of Trump, and all the other lies and deceits that we've been putting up with.

life is not fair, and it is not even supposed to be fair.
if you think that egalitarianism is gods goal you are wrong, its not even good and it wont even last.

good and evil are idiotic comparisions.

This twitter thread is gold if you take a look at the exchange: https://twitter.com/jk3rd_/status/1274575912202317824

One of the former police officers involved in George Floyd's death was grocery shopping after he was released on bail until he got confronted by some deranged white lady who confronted him and started berating the guy while he just stood there. The former officer, J Alexander Kueng, told the lady he was buying necessaries as he holds Oreo cookies and milk in his hands lmfao.

The guy in the video conducted himself pretty well, good on him. He was a rookie on the job and his charges won't hold up. Apparently people are mad that people they don't like made bail because apparently certain rights and civil liberties can only apply to some, and not all.

There's no major difference between tyranny and slavery, both are cruel and oppressive.

Most of the confederate monuments were erected after the civil war and the end of slavery - evidence that although slavery was technically over, white supremacy was still the norm.  Idolizing White Supremacists encourages White Supremacy.  America has been slowly but surely moving away from the idea of White Supremacy and removing all the monuments of people who fought to keep the idea alive is evidence of that.  History is being written, not rewritten.

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I def feel for that guy.  I think he was a cop for all of two weeks - obviously he was in no position to tell the guy training him how to do his job.  The way he responded makes me think he had the potential to be a decent cop.  That lady recording is an absolute cunt.

Destruction of publicly owned monuments is a felony, and those who did these actions are criminals.

I'm sure you'd agree we should prosecute, convict, and jail them, for 10-20 years. I'd be good with letting a couple off who admitted and provided proof of their chain of command. Kind of doubt it would lead to American Patriots.

All of this is some great inflation of events to puff up your own egos, and a desperate attempt to give your meaningless lives purpose by trying to convince yourselves the LAARPing you are doing is real. You are tools, and history knows you as "useful idiots".

These monuments were there to remember history, not to idolize it. Those that do not learn history are doomed to repeat it, and that is the point. Before history can be repeated, you must first erase it so that people can forget, so the old playbooks can be dug up and used again.

You aren't fighting for equality, freedom, or justice. You are fighting for slavery, racism, squalor, and pain. Unfortunately by the time you figure that out it will be far too late. Even more unfortunate, you are going to impose this upon other people who had nothing to do with your delusions.

You're confusing statues with books.

I am not confusing anything. They already have the books covered, along with the modern equivalent the internet. In addition to erasing history, this is also about creating fear and intimidation among the general population. It is a message, "See what we can do? Resist us and we are coming for you next." This is terrorist activity.

Where was racism disproved? Are you saying that slavery and jim crow were not based on race?  I honestly do not understand what you mean.

Reading comprehension junior.    You missed about 98% of logical reasoning in my post, and got confused on the other 2%.
   I understand you probably haven't been alive long enough to observe the changes, so I'll spell it out for you again.
   The liberals keep changing the definition of racism, defining it, and theorizing different types of racism. They are manufacturing new types of racism to appeal to your feeling, and it's based on weak "facts" and shaky theories.
   There's a new Democrat talking point every 4 years and the naive do nothing but parrot the buzz words.
The new one for this election cycle to make the rounds is "systemic" racism. And when you watch the propaganda films and facts they use to substantiate their systemic racism, they leave out conflicting facts that easily question the theory as being solid.


   Want to see how bad you are being manipulated?

Go to google, and type in "Is ______ racist"

Fill in the blank with whatever comes to mind. Anything. And look at the results.
A few things that google told me were racist:  masturbation, air, water, dogs, knitting, hair, anal sex, cars....



But to keep this thread on topic... I'd suggest we talk about how big of a criminal Floyd was, and what that did do increase his odds of having a police interaction not go his way.

Seems like he had a drug problem from 1996-2007.  Got like 3 years for a 4 separate possession of <1g of cocaine charges, a few petty thefts that got him a few weeks, and then in 2007 armed robbery got him 5 years.

He got out in 2011 and had been holding down a steady job for a while until he was laid off in early spring.  My guess is he relapsed.

Did you read the charging documents?  Because it doesn't seem like you did. http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/ThaoComplaint06032020.pdf

What does that Affidavit have to do with my comment? 

It describes the police interaction...

Why don't you quote that part you believe is relevant?

Go on....

Waiting for the point.

But I think your missing mine or are trying to deflect.

Floyd was unlawfully killed while being arrested. I've never contested that.
But if you look at my comment which you quoted, I said Floyd was a criminal.
What are the odds of a criminal being killed by police vs a non-criminal...... and how do you think those odds exponentially increase with the longer you engage in criminal activity?  I think Floyd demonstrated two decades of criminal behavior, maybe 10 arrests.  Wouldn't he be 10x more likely to have a bad police interaction as someone who only got arrested once?

My point is I think you should read the criminal complaint I linked.  It doesn't make the picture perfectly clear, but he was described as calm and polite after being handcuffed.  Then when they went to put him in the car he explicitly said he wasn't resisting, he was claustrophobic, and he couldn't breath - then he stiffened up and just went down.  The rest is clear from the video.


Pretty sure the last crime he was arrested for happened in 2007.  He'd been out of prison for almost 10 years at the time of his death and steadily employed until he was laid off due to the pandemic a couple weeks earlier.  All signs point to him being a recovering drug addict that relapsed after he lost his job.  


From aged 22-33 he had 9 arrests. (1996-2007)

4 of them for possession or intent to deliver less than 1 gram of cocaine - Sentenced to 36 months in total for them

2 for theft of less than $500
1 for trespassing
1 for failure to identify himself to the police - He got 10 days to a few weeks for each of those.

1 for Robbery with a deadly weapon.  He dressed up like a plumber or something and robbed a woman in her home with some other guys in 2007.  Sentenced to 5 years, paroled out in 2011.

Interesting article that I read examining the incident a bit more closely - https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

TL;DR - Floyd was resisting and refusing to get in the police car probably because he was in an excited delirious state (ExDS), not because he was claustrophobic. There were a range of drugs in his system, including a deadly dose of fentanyl (11 ng/mL with average concentration being 10 ng/mL in an overdose). This explains why Floyd was acting so erratic and also why Derek Chauvin, a 19 year vet of the police department with military training and 4 years of military experience would seemingly do something stupid enough to have Floyd in a neck restraint for so long. Apparently it tends to be department policy to have anyone in a delirious state under full restraint until paramedics arrive on scene until they can inject the patient with loads of ketamine to calm them down.

The article also explores a few instances where people experiencing ExDS tend to die regardless of the restraint they're put in due to drugs and underlying conditions playing a role. The prosecution might try to argue that ExDS isn't a recognized condition by the American Medical Association but being in a delirious tends to have the same sorts of physical signs (agitation, aggression, reduced pain sensitivity, ect.)

Is there any footage out there from when he is removed from the car to when he ends up face down on the ground?  I have only seen the cop struggling to get him out and then the 8 or 9 minutes of him on the ground.

The blog you posted makes no mention of the complaint on cop #2 (http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/ThaoComplaint06032020.pdf), written on 6/3, it only sites the original complaint against cop #1 (https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/bd66c229-4ccc-43c7-b896-6d23e5e8a387/note/3ec397ce-f26a-457a-b3f0-95e3571f0fee.), written on 5/29.  In the 5/29 complaint, Flloyd is made out as more aggressive and less calm than the 6/3 complaint.

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There are a few more, but I'm done reading about this for the night. 

The medium article you cited is short on citations, however, this is one very good example as to why rash decisions or actions are wrong before all the facts are available. It is also why the mayors and governors allowing the lawlessness to continue should be condemned in the strongest way possible.

I would be willing to bet the officers will be found not guilty because of who is prosecuting the case, Keith Ellison. This is someone who allegedly beat his girlfriend, and there is evidence to support this. I also believe him to be corrupt, and would not be surprised if he threw the case for political benefit.

If Floyd has > the OD dose of multiple drugs when he died, I would have serious doubt as to how much Chauvin's actions contributed to Floyd's death. I also have concerns about overcharging the officers, for political purposes.

Look at the dates of the complaints. These were written by the DA's office after all the civil unrest. They very well could have merit, but keep in mind the charges that were levied against the 3 other officers who didn't place Floyd under neck restraint were completely baseless and were solely done to satisfy the mob/protesters. The charges were done for political reasons and I don't think anyone should be inclined to believe the latter reports have more merit than the previous reports. The fact is, we don't have the body cam footage which would provide a lot more context to the entire situation.

With the case in Atlanta with Rayshard Brooks, full bodycam videos were released immediately after the shooting. I have a feeling the bodycam video isn't being released because it will help out the defense because it will show George Floyd resisting.



Here's the autopsy report - https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

Notable traces of drugs from the toxicology report are Fentanyl 11 ng/mL and Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL. This is more than enough drugs to be in a delirious state.

If Chauvin gets off, I don't think it'll be because of the prosecutor's record. I don't think the defense will invoke Ellison's domestic abuse past with all the other evidence that's available. Regardless if he gets off or not, I thought this was a clear cut case of murder when I watched the video. Now it seems more like poor department policy and potential negligence than anything else.

Still not sure what the charging document has to do with Floyd being a longtime criminal.
But sure..if you want to bring up apples in and oranges argument, go for it.  

I still stand by my statement, that a decades long criminal arrested 10x has a 10x greater chance of finding a bad cop than a criminal who has only been arrested once.


And if you want to talk about excited delirium, and positional asphyxiation, I'm sure I mentions both of those really early in this thread. (Page 6 was my first mention of it)

Where does it say 11 ng/mL is safe? Article states "Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved." unless you're talking about something else.

This study offers a different perspective.

https://ndews.umd.edu/sites/ndews.umd.edu/files/ndews-hotspot-unintentional-fentanyl-overdoses-in-new-hampshire-final-09-11-17.pdf


You do not necessarily need a concoction of other drugs for fentanyl to be dangerous. Regardless, I'm not saying that George Floyd died of a drug overdose because both autopsy reports ruled the death a homicide. However, it did play a factor in his death. This is what the first autopsy report plainly stated. It isn't my medical take.

Was an autopsy done? You can get two or more coroners or doctors to disagree on cause of death, sometimes even with an autopsy.

The point is, all these Covid deaths aren't really known to be Covid deaths.

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1. Nope.  Never said that. I guess English wasn't a good subject for you.  Try reading the WORDS again.  I said a criminal with 10 arrests is 10x more likely to encounter a bad cop than a criminal who was arrested once.
  I've never justified the unlawful death of Floyd.  But you seem blind to basic facts, so wrongfully opine away fella.  

2. I have 2 decades of training, education, and experience with excited delirium and positional asphyxiation. No one here has ever heard those words before this Floyd case. I knew it the first time I saw the video. Been there, done that. And, I'll go so far as to say, Chauvin wasn't the primary cause for positional asphyxiation, he's secondary. The primary cause will be the cop that was on Floyd's back, preventing the rise and fall of Floyd's chest cavity.    You can offer dissenting opinion now, or put this in your back pocket and get back to me after trial.


And, I'll be so bold as to add..... go ahead and protest Minneapolis Police policy all you want. Those idiots still had the choke hold as an approved Use of Force technique.  Most every other department in the US removed that policy decades ago for the exact reason of this entire subject.

How exactly can the cop be charged with murder if the technique used was an approved use of force?

(Note that may sound like a dumb question, but we've got here a dumb cop, dump police department...)

You can be charged for just about anything. Doesn't mean the charges will stick. This was clear from the charges against officer Garret Rolfe from the Atlanta police department who got 11 charges for a justified shooting.  It'll be on a jury to determine whether Chauvin acted within guidelines.

Rather than drag on the quote boxes:

Nutildah: I bring it up, because it's factual information.   The more crime you commit, the more you get arrested, the greater the chance you have of finding that bad cop. It's Russian roulette. You pull the trigger enough times, you're likely to find a bullet.  This bullet's name was Chauvin.

Spendulus:  the technique used to have two branches. A choke hold, and a sleeper hold. One was permitted to be used in deadly force situations, one was permitted to be used in only non-deadly force situations. Other departments in the US discontinued the use of both, because an inch or two difference in application can move the applied pressure from the artery to the windpipe, and there were too many unintentional deaths.
   A cop can be criminally charged when the approved policy is used when not warranted. I have a policy that says I can shoot someone who shoots at me.  Me shooting someone is authorized under some conditions. Me shooting someone who does not present a deadly threat is a policy and law violation.  This is what Chauvin (and the other guy on Floyd's back) did. They used approved force techniques when the prerequisite conditions were not present.

GOT IT.

Meanwhile, do YOU want to align yourself with "Black Lives Matter?"

How about chanting "Black Lives Matter?"

What would one be affirming?

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44832

Radical marxism.

I kind of don't think MLK would have liked or approved of this. I think he would have spat on it.

Absolutely not. The BLM movement has demonstrated a very high rate of criminal activity, and by policy, I am not permitted to associate socially or politically with known criminals.

Additionally, my personal belief is that they are narrow-minded, and their movement is counter-productive to their goals.
  "Don't racially profile me, or I'll steal your TV" is a piss poor way to send the message you want.

In the USA, there's a joke that Airport Security has been reduced to Airport Security Theater.

But when "Black Lives Matter" is reduced to "Black Lives Matter Theater", bent to certain Marxist, totalitarian, anti-American interests, it is at it's essence, "Anti-Black."

I personally resent such things, the taking over of one thing for the political purposes of another. Reality is, the group that's doing things for Blacks in the US is Trump, and the Republican Party, with the recent passing of criminal reform law. Did Obama do that? Nope.

You misunderstand.

The people of the land are very slow at standing up and acting like bulls and bears rather than sheep. Nobody, not even Trump, can make the people stand up.

When the average people of the country, those who work and live, get fed up with what BLM and Antifa are doing, they will swarm over these riot-groups, and they will be gone.

Trump couldn't stop the people without destroying them with the military. But the good people need to wake up and do what they need to do to protect themselves, and bring peace to America.

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It's a global problem and the catalysts and their handlers have tentacles embedded all across the societal spectrum that enables dominance.The ANTIFA and all other so called activist groups are only a small visible part of a global "revolution" that enable certain facets required to remove opposition to the end product at the end stage.

The list is not limited to these well known recommendations:

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family
12. Attack the authority of the father, deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.
13. Abolish differences in the education of boys and girls
14. Abolish all forms of male dominance – hence the presence of women in the armed forces
14. Declare women to be an ‘oppressed class’ and men as ‘oppressors’

You are disagreeing here just to disagree and you're playing a game of semantics. Your first link suggested a safe range for anesthesia was 10-20 ng/mL which is a formal medical procedure that will result in death unless supervised by a physician so I'm not sure why you felt inclined to post that number. Your second study stated the average concentration of fentanyl used in natural and overdose deaths. The study I linked demonstrated fentanyl is dangerous alone at a much lower concentration. So yes, a different perspective, a different set of data, a different concentraiton considered safe, whatever you want to call it.


I disagree here, your study is not more relevant at all because George Floyd's other substances included only small amounts of methamphetamine in his system. Furthermore, your study was maybe the second Google search result after you type in words related to fentanyl dosages in overdoses because I saw the same exact study on Google search results prior to you linking it. Your study examines accidental overdoses. An accidental overdose is of course going to have an inflated concentration of fentantyl where someone over consumes drugs and dies. This does not mean any concentration below this number is safe. The alcohol in the study I provided is a confounding variable which are present in all forms of studies, including yours. Your study doesn't mention alcohol, but could have a range of other confounding variables that weren't examined by the authors., Regardless though, 68% of the individuals tested presumably did not have alcohol in their system. You can gather from this that it is utterly untrue to claim 10 or 11 ng/mL of fentanyl is considered safe.

Interestingly enough, your study examines natural deaths and 1/6th of natural deaths in those that tested positive for fentanyl, the cause of death is listed as  Arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD). George Floyd's cause of death in the autopsy report also has natural causes listed as Arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease. This might suggest that fentanyl can exacerbate this condition and potentially highlights the role drugs played in George Floyd's death.


I was wrong here. You're right, the first autopsy report only lists the toxicology results without making any remarks as to whether they contributed to his death.

The charging document however lists fentanyl intoxication and methamphatemine usage as a significant condition - https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf

Also, it'd be hard to find a medical professional that states being on fentanyl does not at all exacerbate heart conditions or make you more susceptible to death under extreme physical restraint. So I guess my "medical take" might not be too far off.

I don’t think it would be appropriate for a judge to allow the defense to bring up personal shortcomings of the prosecutor in a criminal case.

The reason for my prediction is that I believe the DA will intentionally throw the case to push a political narrative that benefits his party. This would also likely create additional riots. Ideally this won’t happen until after the election and Trump will be more willing to institute a zero tolerance policy on rioting.

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Trump recently said (https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/20/exclusive-trump-isnt-sending-national-guard-seattle-catastrophe/) that he decided against sending in the troops to allow Americans to see how badly liberals are running their cities. I strongly disagree with this (this is partly based on my living in a major liberal city), as it is the presidents job to protect all Americans.

"New Transcripts Detail Last Moments for George Floyd"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/george-floyd-body-camera-transcripts.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/7070-exhibit-final07072020/4b81216735f2203a08cb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

"Lane: your getting in the squad.

George Floyd : want to lay on the ground ! I'm going down, going down, I'm going down.

Kueng: Take a squat

George Floyd: I'm going down

Speaker 9: Bro, you about to have a heartattack and shitman, get in the car!

George Floyd: I know I can't breathe. I can't breathe crosstalk 00:10:18 ] .

Lane: Get him on the ground .

George Floyd: Let go ofmeman , I can't breathe. I can't breathe.

Lane: Take a seat"


These transcripts from the body cams were just released. As you can tell from the text, it is abundantly clear George Floyd was having trouble breathing well before he was even on the ground. The autopsy results showed several types of contraband in his system, along with a COVID diagnosis. This seems to be clear evidence whatever disease he was suffering, it began well before he was even on the ground.

Interesting information. Except I don't think it's gonna have much effect since there's no stopping this snowball. I've already heard that in some states, black guys have started robbing white truckers. Somebody's got to fight them back and stop this mess.

The people would rather play with their social devices and watch movies than learn the law and use the options available for them.

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