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June 23, 2020, 05:19:49 PM
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Rather than drag on the quote boxes:

Nutildah: I bring it up, because it's factual information.   The more crime you commit, the more you get arrested, the greater the chance you have of finding that bad cop. It's Russian roulette. You pull the trigger enough times, you're likely to find a bullet.  This bullet's name was Chauvin.

Spendulus:  the technique used to have two branches. A choke hold, and a sleeper hold. One was permitted to be used in deadly force situations, one was permitted to be used in only non-deadly force situations. Other departments in the US discontinued the use of both, because an inch or two difference in application can move the applied pressure from the artery to the windpipe, and there were too many unintentional deaths.
   A cop can be criminally charged when the approved policy is used when not warranted. I have a policy that says I can shoot someone who shoots at me.  Me shooting someone is authorized under some conditions. Me shooting someone who does not present a deadly threat is a policy and law violation.  This is what Chauvin (and the other guy on Floyd's back) did. They used approved force techniques when the prerequisite conditions were not present.

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June 23, 2020, 06:09:15 PM
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They used approved force techniques when the prerequisite conditions were not present.

GOT IT.

Meanwhile, do YOU want to align yourself with "Black Lives Matter?"

How about chanting "Black Lives Matter?"

What would one be affirming?

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44832

Radical marxism.

I kind of don't think MLK would have liked or approved of this. I think he would have spat on it.
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June 23, 2020, 06:15:17 PM
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GOT IT.

Meanwhile, do YOU want to align yourself with "Black Lives Matter?"

How about chanting "Black Lives Matter?"

What would one be affirming?

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44832

Radical marxism.

I kind of don't think MLK would have liked or approved of this. I think he would have spat on it.

Absolutely not. The BLM movement has demonstrated a very high rate of criminal activity, and by policy, I am not permitted to associate socially or politically with known criminals.

Additionally, my personal belief is that they are narrow-minded, and their movement is counter-productive to their goals.
  "Don't racially profile me, or I'll steal your TV" is a piss poor way to send the message you want.

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June 24, 2020, 12:42:56 AM
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GOT IT.

Meanwhile, do YOU want to align yourself with "Black Lives Matter?"

How about chanting "Black Lives Matter?"

What would one be affirming?

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44832

Radical marxism.

I kind of don't think MLK would have liked or approved of this. I think he would have spat on it.

Absolutely not. The BLM movement has demonstrated a very high rate of criminal activity, and by policy, I am not permitted to associate socially or politically with known criminals.

Additionally, my personal belief is that they are narrow-minded, and their movement is counter-productive to their goals.
  "Don't racially profile me, or I'll steal your TV" is a piss poor way to send the message you want.

In the USA, there's a joke that Airport Security has been reduced to Airport Security Theater.

But when "Black Lives Matter" is reduced to "Black Lives Matter Theater", bent to certain Marxist, totalitarian, anti-American interests, it is at it's essence, "Anti-Black."

I personally resent such things, the taking over of one thing for the political purposes of another. Reality is, the group that's doing things for Blacks in the US is Trump, and the Republican Party, with the recent passing of criminal reform law. Did Obama do that? Nope.
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June 24, 2020, 01:34:37 AM
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GOT IT.

Meanwhile, do YOU want to align yourself with "Black Lives Matter?"

How about chanting "Black Lives Matter?"

What would one be affirming?

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44832

Radical marxism.

I kind of don't think MLK would have liked or approved of this. I think he would have spat on it.

Absolutely not. The BLM movement has demonstrated a very high rate of criminal activity, and by policy, I am not permitted to associate socially or politically with known criminals.

Additionally, my personal belief is that they are narrow-minded, and their movement is counter-productive to their goals.
  "Don't racially profile me, or I'll steal your TV" is a piss poor way to send the message you want.

In the USA, there's a joke that Airport Security has been reduced to Airport Security Theater.

But when "Black Lives Matter" is reduced to "Black Lives Matter Theater", bent to certain Marxist, totalitarian, anti-American interests, it is at it's essence, "Anti-Black."

I personally resent such things, the taking over of one thing for the political purposes of another. Reality is, the group that's doing things for Blacks in the US is Trump, and the Republican Party, with the recent passing of criminal reform law. Did Obama do that? Nope.

You misunderstand.

The people of the land are very slow at standing up and acting like bulls and bears rather than sheep. Nobody, not even Trump, can make the people stand up.

When the average people of the country, those who work and live, get fed up with what BLM and Antifa are doing, they will swarm over these riot-groups, and they will be gone.

Trump couldn't stop the people without destroying them with the military. But the good people need to wake up and do what they need to do to protect themselves, and bring peace to America.

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June 24, 2020, 02:30:28 PM
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GOT IT.

Meanwhile, do YOU want to align yourself with "Black Lives Matter?"

How about chanting "Black Lives Matter?"

What would one be affirming?

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44832

Radical marxism.

I kind of don't think MLK would have liked or approved of this. I think he would have spat on it.

Absolutely not. The BLM movement has demonstrated a very high rate of criminal activity, and by policy, I am not permitted to associate socially or politically with known criminals.

Additionally, my personal belief is that they are narrow-minded, and their movement is counter-productive to their goals.
  "Don't racially profile me, or I'll steal your TV" is a piss poor way to send the message you want.

In the USA, there's a joke that Airport Security has been reduced to Airport Security Theater.

But when "Black Lives Matter" is reduced to "Black Lives Matter Theater", bent to certain Marxist, totalitarian, anti-American interests, it is at it's essence, "Anti-Black."

I personally resent such things, the taking over of one thing for the political purposes of another. Reality is, the group that's doing things for Blacks in the US is Trump, and the Republican Party, with the recent passing of criminal reform law. Did Obama do that? Nope.

You misunderstand.

The people of the land are very slow at standing up and acting like bulls and bears rather than sheep. Nobody, not even Trump, can make the people stand up.

When the average people of the country, those who work and live, get fed up with what BLM and Antifa are doing, they will swarm over these riot-groups, and they will be gone.

Trump couldn't stop the people without destroying them with the military. But the good people need to wake up and do what they need to do to protect themselves, and bring peace to America.

Cool

It's a global problem and the catalysts and their handlers have tentacles embedded all across the societal spectrum that enables dominance.The ANTIFA and all other so called activist groups are only a small visible part of a global "revolution" that enable certain facets required to remove opposition to the end product at the end stage.

The list is not limited to these well known recommendations:

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family
12. Attack the authority of the father, deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.
13. Abolish differences in the education of boys and girls
14. Abolish all forms of male dominance – hence the presence of women in the armed forces
14. Declare women to be an ‘oppressed class’ and men as ‘oppressors’


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June 24, 2020, 03:57:07 PM
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It's not a "different perspective" -- its just a broader range of data.

You are disagreeing here just to disagree and you're playing a game of semantics. Your first link suggested a safe range for anesthesia was 10-20 ng/mL which is a formal medical procedure that will result in death unless supervised by a physician so I'm not sure why you felt inclined to post that number. Your second study stated the average concentration of fentanyl used in natural and overdose deaths. The study I linked demonstrated fentanyl is dangerous alone at a much lower concentration. So yes, a different perspective, a different set of data, a different concentraiton considered safe, whatever you want to call it.

its just a broader range of data. It also includes a large number of people who tested positive for alcohol (32%) which could very well be weighing down the average concentration of fentanyl in those who died, as that is often a lethal combination of drugs. The study I quoted is more relevant as it doesn't include those with alcohol in their systems.

I disagree here, your study is not more relevant at all because George Floyd's other substances included only small amounts of methamphetamine in his system. Furthermore, your study was maybe the second Google search result after you type in words related to fentanyl dosages in overdoses because I saw the same exact study on Google search results prior to you linking it. Your study examines accidental overdoses. An accidental overdose is of course going to have an inflated concentration of fentantyl where someone over consumes drugs and dies. This does not mean any concentration below this number is safe. The alcohol in the study I provided is a confounding variable which are present in all forms of studies, including yours. Your study doesn't mention alcohol, but could have a range of other confounding variables that weren't examined by the authors., Regardless though, 68% of the individuals tested presumably did not have alcohol in their system. You can gather from this that it is utterly untrue to claim 10 or 11 ng/mL of fentanyl is considered safe.

Interestingly enough, your study examines natural deaths and 1/6th of natural deaths in those that tested positive for fentanyl, the cause of death is listed as  Arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD). George Floyd's cause of death in the autopsy report also has natural causes listed as Arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease. This might suggest that fentanyl can exacerbate this condition and potentially highlights the role drugs played in George Floyd's death.

Actually the first autopsy report doesn't state that at all. The title is "CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION." You can argue that fentanyl played a role in his death, but you're on your own here. So actually it is your "medical take."

I was wrong here. You're right, the first autopsy report only lists the toxicology results without making any remarks as to whether they contributed to his death.

The charging document however lists fentanyl intoxication and methamphatemine usage as a significant condition - https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf

Also, it'd be hard to find a medical professional that states being on fentanyl does not at all exacerbate heart conditions or make you more susceptible to death under extreme physical restraint. So I guess my "medical take" might not be too far off.


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June 24, 2020, 04:20:56 PM
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If Chauvin gets off, I don't think it'll be because of the prosecutor's record. I don't think the defense will invoke Ellison's domestic abuse past with all the other evidence that's available. Regardless if he gets off or not, I thought this was a clear cut case of murder when I watched the video. Now it seems more like poor department policy and potential negligence than anything else.
I don’t think it would be appropriate for a judge to allow the defense to bring up personal shortcomings of the prosecutor in a criminal case.

The reason for my prediction is that I believe the DA will intentionally throw the case to push a political narrative that benefits his party. This would also likely create additional riots. Ideally this won’t happen until after the election and Trump will be more willing to institute a zero tolerance policy on rioting.


Trump recently said that he decided against sending in the troops to allow Americans to see how badly liberals are running their cities. I strongly disagree with this (this is partly based on my living in a major liberal city), as it is the presidents job to protect all Americans.

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July 09, 2020, 01:42:22 PM
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"New Transcripts Detail Last Moments for George Floyd"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/george-floyd-body-camera-transcripts.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/7070-exhibit-final07072020/4b81216735f2203a08cb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

"Lane: your getting in the squad.

George Floyd : want to lay on the ground ! I'm going down, going down, I'm going down.

Kueng: Take a squat

George Floyd: I'm going down

Speaker 9: Bro, you about to have a heartattack and shitman, get in the car!

George Floyd: I know I can't breathe. I can't breathe crosstalk 00:10:18 ] .

Lane: Get him on the ground .

George Floyd: Let go ofmeman , I can't breathe. I can't breathe.

Lane: Take a seat"


These transcripts from the body cams were just released. As you can tell from the text, it is abundantly clear George Floyd was having trouble breathing well before he was even on the ground. The autopsy results showed several types of contraband in his system, along with a COVID diagnosis. This seems to be clear evidence whatever disease he was suffering, it began well before he was even on the ground.

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~snip~

Interesting information. Except I don't think it's gonna have much effect since there's no stopping this snowball. I've already heard that in some states, black guys have started robbing white truckers. Somebody's got to fight them back and stop this mess.

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July 09, 2020, 06:15:20 PM
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GOT IT.

Meanwhile, do YOU want to align yourself with "Black Lives Matter?"

How about chanting "Black Lives Matter?"

What would one be affirming?

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44832

Radical marxism.

I kind of don't think MLK would have liked or approved of this. I think he would have spat on it.

Absolutely not. The BLM movement has demonstrated a very high rate of criminal activity, and by policy, I am not permitted to associate socially or politically with known criminals.

Additionally, my personal belief is that they are narrow-minded, and their movement is counter-productive to their goals.
  "Don't racially profile me, or I'll steal your TV" is a piss poor way to send the message you want.

In the USA, there's a joke that Airport Security has been reduced to Airport Security Theater.

But when "Black Lives Matter" is reduced to "Black Lives Matter Theater", bent to certain Marxist, totalitarian, anti-American interests, it is at it's essence, "Anti-Black."

I personally resent such things, the taking over of one thing for the political purposes of another. Reality is, the group that's doing things for Blacks in the US is Trump, and the Republican Party, with the recent passing of criminal reform law. Did Obama do that? Nope.

You misunderstand.

The people of the land are very slow at standing up and acting like bulls and bears rather than sheep. Nobody, not even Trump, can make the people stand up.

When the average people of the country, those who work and live, get fed up with what BLM and Antifa are doing, they will swarm over these riot-groups, and they will be gone.

Trump couldn't stop the people without destroying them with the military. But the good people need to wake up and do what they need to do to protect themselves, and bring peace to America.

Cool

It's a global problem and the catalysts and their handlers have tentacles embedded all across the societal spectrum that enables dominance.The ANTIFA and all other so called activist groups are only a small visible part of a global "revolution" that enable certain facets required to remove opposition to the end product at the end stage.

The list is not limited to these well known recommendations:

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family
12. Attack the authority of the father, deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.
13. Abolish differences in the education of boys and girls
14. Abolish all forms of male dominance – hence the presence of women in the armed forces
14. Declare women to be an ‘oppressed class’ and men as ‘oppressors’



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I'm not sure why they aren't releasing the full bodycam footage to the public. There's definitely a precedent of releasing body cam video prior to a trial so for them to release a transcript and not the video seems bizarre.

I can't remember where I read this, but according to one of the documents that was released either by the DA's officer or Minneapolis PD, it stated that Floyd was claiming he couldn't breathe prior to being forced on the ground and this transcript clearly confirms that. The disease Floyd was suffering from, potentially, was ExDS, an excited delirious state which is usually caused by illegal drug use.

From the autopsy report, it's clear Floyd had unsafe amounts of fentanyl and small amounts of methamphetamine within his system and this is what most likely the officers believed Floyd was suffering from.

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July 09, 2020, 08:12:59 PM
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"New Transcripts Detail Last Moments for George Floyd"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/george-floyd-body-camera-transcripts.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/7070-exhibit-final07072020/4b81216735f2203a08cb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

"Lane: your getting in the squad.

George Floyd : want to lay on the ground ! I'm going down, going down, I'm going down.

Kueng: Take a squat

George Floyd: I'm going down

Speaker 9: Bro, you about to have a heartattack and shitman, get in the car!

George Floyd: I know I can't breathe. I can't breathe crosstalk 00:10:18 ] .

Lane: Get him on the ground .

George Floyd: Let go ofmeman , I can't breathe. I can't breathe.

Lane: Take a seat"


These transcripts from the body cams were just released. As you can tell from the text, it is abundantly clear George Floyd was having trouble breathing well before he was even on the ground. The autopsy results showed several types of contraband in his system, along with a COVID diagnosis. This seems to be clear evidence whatever disease he was suffering, it began well before he was even on the ground.
Yep. Which is why they should have been more careful with him and didn't need to kneel on him for so long. Killing a weakened person is still murder.
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July 09, 2020, 08:39:28 PM
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"New Transcripts Detail Last Moments for George Floyd"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/george-floyd-body-camera-transcripts.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/7070-exhibit-final07072020/4b81216735f2203a08cb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

"Lane: your getting in the squad.

George Floyd : want to lay on the ground ! I'm going down, going down, I'm going down.

Kueng: Take a squat

George Floyd: I'm going down

Speaker 9: Bro, you about to have a heartattack and shitman, get in the car!

George Floyd: I know I can't breathe. I can't breathe crosstalk 00:10:18 ] .

Lane: Get him on the ground .

George Floyd: Let go ofmeman , I can't breathe. I can't breathe.

Lane: Take a seat"


These transcripts from the body cams were just released. As you can tell from the text, it is abundantly clear George Floyd was having trouble breathing well before he was even on the ground. The autopsy results showed several types of contraband in his system, along with a COVID diagnosis. This seems to be clear evidence whatever disease he was suffering, it began well before he was even on the ground.
Yep. Which is why they should have been more careful with him and didn't need to kneel on him for so long. Killing a weakened person is still murder.

The point is, "innocent until proven guilty." Even if a person admits guilt straight forward to the cops, he is still innocent in the eyes of the law until he gets his time in court... and is adjudicated guilty. But if he is guilty in court, punish him as he deserves.

Same with the cops. Innocent until proven guilt in a court of law. They might admit being guilty, there might be all kinds of videos and audio recordings. There might be dozens of witnesses who will swear to what they saw. But until the court says "guilty," they are innocent. Treat them that way, even though they didn't treat Floyd that way.

What's important is, if the judge messes with us all by freeing some guilty cops, we need to take the judge to trial.

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Yep. Which is why they should have been more careful with him and didn't need to kneel on him for so long. Killing a weakened person is still murder.

You start with the presumption they killed him, and work backwards to justify your position. This is known as confirmation bias and has no basis in logic. Evidence comes out that is counter to your beliefs, and then you simply turn it around and act as if it is further confirmation of your stance. The transcripts clearly demonstrate he was a known violent felon acting erratically and resisting arrest. Later it was proven he was also intoxicated with drugs that could have easily killed him alone. Ruining these men's lives over a violent felon drug addict who was resisting arrest on the minuscule chance they maybe might have potentially contributed to his death is asinine. Lets go down a list of all the things George Floyd did to contribute to his own death.

-A convicted violent felon
-Substance abuse with drugs causing epidemic levels of fatal overdoses
-Resisting arrest
-Not complying with police orders

It amazes me with all the wrongful deaths police are ACTUALLY fully responsible for, no one seems to give a fuck about any of those cases, especially if the victims are not black. Instead, the cases that are brought out with the loudest voices are the ones where career criminals, drug addicts, and otherwise generally violent people get themselves killed. Of course this racial bias narrative serves Marxist ticks such as yourself, so the facts are irrelevant.

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I read that Floyd was a criminal and had served time for various crimes, but was almost always released early. A lot of people think he cooperated with the police so his time was shorter than expected. Also, some people think that this murder is a lie.

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July 10, 2020, 11:53:53 PM
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....Killing a weakened person is still murder.

Last I heard accidentally killing someone was not murder.
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....Killing a weakened person is still murder.

Last I heard accidentally killing someone was not murder.

'Murder' means different things in different jurisdictions. The word just refers to someone dying as a result of something that you did.

In Georgia, for example, if you're the getaway driver during a bank robbery and while you're sitting in the car waiting one of your guys kills someone, you could be charged and convicted of felony murder.

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July 11, 2020, 12:29:44 AM
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....Killing a weakened person is still murder.

Last I heard accidentally killing someone was not murder.

'Murder' means different things in different jurisdictions. The word just refers to someone dying as a result of something that you did.

In Georgia, for example, if you're the getaway driver during a bank robbery and while you're sitting in the car waiting one of your guys kills someone, you could be charged and convicted of felony murder.

"609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

Clearly this instance doesn't even meet the standards of 3rd degree murder under Minnesota statutes.

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July 11, 2020, 12:37:48 AM
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....Killing a weakened person is still murder.

Last I heard accidentally killing someone was not murder.

'Murder' means different things in different jurisdictions. The word just refers to someone dying as a result of something that you did.

In Georgia, for example, if you're the getaway driver during a bank robbery and while you're sitting in the car waiting one of your guys kills someone, you could be charged and convicted of felony murder.

"609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

Clearly this instance doesn't even meet the standards of 3rd degree murder under Minnesota statutes.

Seattle is not in Minnesota.

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