Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody

[BADecker]

"New Transcripts Detail Last Moments for George Floyd"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/george-floyd-body-camera-transcripts.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/7070-exhibit-final07072020/4b81216735f2203a08cb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

"Lane: your getting in the squad.

George Floyd : want to lay on the ground ! I'm going down, going down, I'm going down.

Kueng: Take a squat

George Floyd: I'm going down

Speaker 9: Bro, you about to have a heartattack and shitman, get in the car!

George Floyd: I know I can't breathe. I can't breathe crosstalk 00:10:18 ] .

Lane: Get him on the ground .

George Floyd: Let go ofmeman , I can't breathe. I can't breathe.

Lane: Take a seat"


These transcripts from the body cams were just released. As you can tell from the text, it is abundantly clear George Floyd was having trouble breathing well before he was even on the ground. The autopsy results showed several types of contraband in his system, along with a COVID diagnosis. This seems to be clear evidence whatever disease he was suffering, it began well before he was even on the ground.

Yep. Which is why they should have been more careful with him and didn't need to kneel on him for so long. Killing a weakened person is still murder.

The point is, "innocent until proven guilty." Even if a person admits guilt straight forward to the cops, he is still innocent in the eyes of the law until he gets his time in court... and is adjudicated guilty. But if he is guilty in court, punish him as he deserves.

Same with the cops. Innocent until proven guilt in a court of law. They might admit being guilty, there might be all kinds of videos and audio recordings. There might be dozens of witnesses who will swear to what they saw. But until the court says "guilty," they are innocent. Treat them that way, even though they didn't treat Floyd that way.

What's important is, if the judge messes with us all by freeing some guilty cops, we need to take the judge to trial.

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[TECSHARE]

Yep. Which is why they should have been more careful with him and didn't need to kneel on him for so long. Killing a weakened person is still murder.

You start with the presumption they killed him, and work backwards to justify your position. This is known as confirmation bias and has no basis in logic. Evidence comes out that is counter to your beliefs, and then you simply turn it around and act as if it is further confirmation of your stance. The transcripts clearly demonstrate he was a known violent felon acting erratically and resisting arrest. Later it was proven he was also intoxicated with drugs that could have easily killed him alone. Ruining these men's lives over a violent felon drug addict who was resisting arrest on the minuscule chance they maybe might have potentially contributed to his death is asinine. Lets go down a list of all the things George Floyd did to contribute to his own death.

-A convicted violent felon
-Substance abuse with drugs causing epidemic levels of fatal overdoses
-Resisting arrest
-Not complying with police orders

It amazes me with all the wrongful deaths police are ACTUALLY fully responsible for, no one seems to give a fuck about any of those cases, especially if the victims are not black. Instead, the cases that are brought out with the loudest voices are the ones where career criminals, drug addicts, and otherwise generally violent people get themselves killed. Of course this racial bias narrative serves Marxist ticks such as yourself, so the facts are irrelevant.

[madnessteat]

I read that Floyd was a criminal and had served time for various crimes, but was almost always released early. A lot of people think he cooperated with the police so his time was shorter than expected. Also, some people think that this murder is a lie.

[Spendulus]

....Killing a weakened person is still murder.

Last I heard accidentally killing someone was not murder.

[TwitchySeal]

....Killing a weakened person is still murder.

Last I heard accidentally killing someone was not murder.

'Murder' means different things in different jurisdictions. The word just refers to someone dying as a result of something that you did.

In Georgia, for example, if you're the getaway driver during a bank robbery and while you're sitting in the car waiting one of your guys kills someone, you could be charged and convicted of felony murder.

[TECSHARE]

....Killing a weakened person is still murder.

Last I heard accidentally killing someone was not murder.

'Murder' means different things in different jurisdictions. The word just refers to someone dying as a result of something that you did.

In Georgia, for example, if you're the getaway driver during a bank robbery and while you're sitting in the car waiting one of your guys kills someone, you could be charged and convicted of felony murder.

"609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

Clearly this instance doesn't even meet the standards of 3rd degree murder under Minnesota statutes.

[TwitchySeal]

....Killing a weakened person is still murder.

Last I heard accidentally killing someone was not murder.

'Murder' means different things in different jurisdictions. The word just refers to someone dying as a result of something that you did.

In Georgia, for example, if you're the getaway driver during a bank robbery and while you're sitting in the car waiting one of your guys kills someone, you could be charged and convicted of felony murder.

"609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

Clearly this instance doesn't even meet the standards of 3rd degree murder under Minnesota statutes.

Seattle is not in Minnesota.

[TECSHARE]

Seattle is not in Minnesota.

No, it isn't. I would say you are confused, but you aren't ever wrong are you?

[TwitchySeal]

Seattle is not in Minnesota.

No, it isn't. I would say you are confused, but you aren't ever wrong are you?

Confused why you're citing Minnesota statutes. Yes.  Most likely you was the first thing that looked good on google so you just copy pasted without reading.  I could be wrong though.

[coins4commies]

....Killing a weakened person is still murder.

Last I heard accidentally killing someone was not murder.

'Murder' means different things in different jurisdictions. The word just refers to someone dying as a result of something that you did.

In Georgia, for example, if you're the getaway driver during a bank robbery and while you're sitting in the car waiting one of your guys kills someone, you could be charged and convicted of felony murder.

"609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

Clearly this instance doesn't even meet the standards of 3rd degree murder under Minnesota statutes.

That is why it was the incorrect charge and the charge was upgraded.

[TECSHARE]

Seattle is not in Minnesota.

No, it isn't. I would say you are confused, but you aren't ever wrong are you?

Confused why you're citing Minnesota statutes. Yes.  Most likely you was the first thing that looked good on google so you just copy pasted without reading.  I could be wrong though.

What state is Minneapolis in TwattySqueal?

[TwitchySeal]

Seattle is not in Minnesota.

No, it isn't. I would say you are confused, but you aren't ever wrong are you?

Confused why you're citing Minnesota statutes. Yes.  Most likely you was the first thing that looked good on google so you just copy pasted without reading.  I could be wrong though.

What state is Minneapolis in TwattySqueal?

Minnesota.  I meant Minnesota statutes not Minneapolis statutes - my mistake.

[PrimeNumber7]

"New Transcripts Detail Last Moments for George Floyd"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/george-floyd-body-camera-transcripts.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/7070-exhibit-final07072020/4b81216735f2203a08cb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

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These transcripts from the body cams were just released. As you can tell from the text, it is abundantly clear George Floyd was having trouble breathing well before he was even on the ground. The autopsy results showed several types of contraband in his system, along with a COVID diagnosis. This seems to be clear evidence whatever disease he was suffering, it began well before he was even on the ground.

When I watched the video several weeks ago, I saw someone (Floyd) basically begging for his life, while a police officer (Chevron) has his knee on Floyd's neck, eventually killing Floyd (even though I had no knowledge of the possibility of choking someone via pressure on the *back* of a person's neck).

The fact that Floyd was saying that he couldn't breathe before he was on the ground, the fact that Floyd has > the amount of fentanyl in his blood that is considered an "overdose", the fact that Floyd intentionally hit his head on the glass in the police car, all change my view on the above.

Pinning Floyd's head to the ground (via pressure on his neck) may seem excessive, Floyd also just intentionally hit his head on glass, presumably with the intention of hurting himself and to avoid going directly to jail, and he may have intentionally smashed his head against the concrete if his head was not pinned down.


There was a police-involved shooting of an armed black man in late September 2016, just before the election, and riots started not long after. At the time, there was a lot of misinformation being spread by BLM, and the victim's family, saying that the victim was unarmed, and was holding a bible (both are lies). The governor quickly sent in the national guard and stopped the riots before the weekend (they started on a Tuesday), which removed any legitimacy to any riots that may have been organized elsewhere in the country, as happened in 2020.

The similarities between what happened in 2016 and what is happening now are striking. In both cases, riots started immediately after the victim had died, before there was any kind of investigation, let alone any kind of trial to hold those responsible accountable. In both cases, there was a lot of BLM propaganda being spread on social media that was outright lies, and misleading when not an outright lie.

The key difference is the national guard was not called into Minnesota, but rather, a police station was abandoned, which made the situation worse. My guess is this was intentional.

[Spendulus]

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The key difference is the national guard was not called into Minnesota, but rather, a police station was abandoned, which made the situation worse. My guess is this was intentional.

Good points. For me, anytime it's a toss up between stupidity and intentional, I'll err on the side of stupidity, though.

But here, it certainly is odd that no news media has mentioned that the George Floyd events occurred in the Congressional district of the very anti-American Rep. Ilhan Omar.

[TwitchySeal]

Pinning Floyd's head to the ground (via pressure on his neck) may seem excessive[...]

Pinning his head to the ground can be rationally defended, it's what he did afterwards that is the problem.  For almost 7 minutes of Flloyd begging for his life followed by 3 minutes while he appeared unconscious or dead he kept his knee on his neck.

If they were alone together and struggling for a weapon a few feet away (like in the movies) or something, that would be different...but he knew Flloyd wasn't armed and he had his partner helping him with Flloyd while 2 more cops watched their back.

But here, it certainly is odd that no news media has mentioned that the George Floyd events occurred in the Congressional district of the very anti-American Rep. Ilhan Omar.

Whoever is telling you this is lying.  It's been mentioned plenty of times all over the place.  

[PrimeNumber7]

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The key difference is the national guard was not called into Minnesota, but rather, a police station was abandoned, which made the situation worse. My guess is this was intentional.

Good points. For me, anytime it's a toss up between stupidity and intentional, I'll err on the side of stupidity, though.

I think it has been intentional. The number of people that were arrested while rioting being let off basically without consequence solidifies this argument.

Pinning Floyd's head to the ground (via pressure on his neck) may seem excessive[...]

Pinning his head to the ground can be rationally defended, it's what he did afterwards that is the problem.  For almost 7 minutes of Flloyd begging for his life followed by 3 minutes while he appeared unconscious or dead he kept his knee on his neck.

If they were alone together and struggling for a weapon a few feet away (like in the movies) or something, that would be different...but he knew Flloyd wasn't armed and he had his partner helping him with Flloyd while 2 more cops watched their back.

As mentioned above, Floyd first started saying that he could not breathe before he was on the ground. The transcript posted above also reflects that the officers responded to Floyd's claim that he cannot breathe, saying that Floyd was talking (implying they thought he was breathing while talking).

Also, as mentioned above, pinning Floyd to the ground, including his head was not a means to protect the officers from Floyd, it was a means to protect Floyd from himself. Keep in mind that Floyd had apparently just intentionally slammed his head against the glass in the police car, intentionally harming himself.

[Spendulus]

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The key difference is the national guard was not called into Minnesota, but rather, a police station was abandoned, which made the situation worse. My guess is this was intentional.

Good points. For me, anytime it's a toss up between stupidity and intentional, I'll err on the side of stupidity, though.

I think it has been intentional. The number of people that were arrested while rioting being let off basically without consequence solidifies this argument.
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I can certainly see a Democratic mayor taking marching orders from a Democratic congresswoman whose district is basically that mayor's city. And can see her calling in to help her fellow Marxists at BLM.

Bingo, riots in larger Democratic controlled cities.

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Also, as mentioned above, pinning Floyd to the ground, including his head was not a means to protect the officers from Floyd, it was a means to protect Floyd from himself. Keep in mind that Floyd had apparently just intentionally slammed his head against the glass in the police car, intentionally harming himself.

What, Facts Lives Matter?

How many ways do you spell "ORCHESTRATED?"

We had Airport Security Theater, then COVID_Theater, now Riot_Theater.

[BADecker]

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The key difference is the national guard was not called into Minnesota, but rather, a police station was abandoned, which made the situation worse. My guess is this was intentional.

Good points. For me, anytime it's a toss up between stupidity and intentional, I'll err on the side of stupidity, though.

I think it has been intentional. The number of people that were arrested while rioting being let off basically without consequence solidifies this argument.
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I can certainly see a Democratic mayor taking marching orders from a Democratic congresswoman whose district is basically that mayor's city. And can see her calling in to help her fellow Marxists at BLM.

Bingo, riots in larger Democratic controlled cities.

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Also, as mentioned above, pinning Floyd to the ground, including his head was not a means to protect the officers from Floyd, it was a means to protect Floyd from himself. Keep in mind that Floyd had apparently just intentionally slammed his head against the glass in the police car, intentionally harming himself.

What, Facts Lives Matter?

How many ways do you spell "ORCHESTRATED?"

We had Airport Security Theater, then COVID_Theater, now Riot_Theater.

^^^ Because people love the movies, and it is exciting getting one that really affects our lives.

 

[Smartvirus]

I believe strongly that the crimes against black are as a result of fear of being dominated and a hard stigma and inferiority problems.
Untill we see ourselves as one, black and white, this problem can not be resolved. Imagine how you guys look so good when dressed in white and black fabrics. Such is the beauty nature designed for us and we made out of it a discriminating factor.
Say no to racism

[TwitchySeal]

Pinning Floyd's head to the ground (via pressure on his neck) may seem excessive[...]

Pinning his head to the ground can be rationally defended, it's what he did afterwards that is the problem.  For almost 7 minutes of Flloyd begging for his life followed by 3 minutes while he appeared unconscious or dead he kept his knee on his neck.

If they were alone together and struggling for a weapon a few feet away (like in the movies) or something, that would be different...but he knew Flloyd wasn't armed and he had his partner helping him with Flloyd while 2 more cops watched their back.

As mentioned above, Floyd first started saying that he could not breathe before he was on the ground. The transcript posted above also reflects that the officers responded to Floyd's claim that he cannot breathe, saying that Floyd was talking (implying they thought he was breathing while talking).

Also, as mentioned above, pinning Floyd to the ground, including his head was not a means to protect the officers from Floyd, it was a means to protect Floyd from himself. Keep in mind that Floyd had apparently just intentionally slammed his head against the glass in the police car, intentionally harming himself.

Yeah, I have no idea how you can read the transcript and watch the footage and conclude that Flloyd was trying to hurt himself and the cop kneeled on his neck for 10 minutes to protect him.  I haven't found anything about bashing his own head intentionally though, it's possible I'm missing something I guess.

He was having a panic attack (it's common to feel like you can't breathe when this happens), he was terrified of the cops, he made it clear he had no intention of hurting them, he asked to lay on the ground and he begged them over and over to not hurt him and then to stop hurting him.