Why we should never trust anyone for being the real Satoshi.

[20kevin20]

Bitcoin has been around for more than a decade now, but Satoshi's identity remains a mystery.
Many are still looking to find the truth, but only a handful of people think of the consequences this solution could bring.

THE CREATION OF BITCOIN brought upon various opinions, initially mostly negative especially as the darknet quickly became the narrative of its existence and real purpose. Before the usage of Bitcoin for criminal activity, only few knew about it and Bitcointalk, the main forum for the king of cryptocurrencies, has proven not to be pro-crimes along its journey of existence.

Ross Ulbricht launched The Silk Road back in 2011, when Bitcoin was still known by only few. Using Tor for anonymity and Bitcoin for payments, Ulbricht was able to create a completely censor-free and anonymous website. However, that was only under the ideal usage of it. In fact, Ulbricht, known under the name of "Dread Pirate Roberts", had probably made a few mistakes that cost his privacy, his site and finally - his freedom.

Although The Silk Road did allow criminal activity to happen under an anonymous identity, according to FBI, a CAPTCHA service leaked the real IP under which the uncensored website was running. This, together with a lot of research done by intel agencies, led to the finding of Ulbricht as the owner of it.

However, the finding of Ross Ulbricht by the FBI has sparked controversies as some started to believe that FBI has actually found Ulbricht's identity illegally unlike they made the story look. According to WIRED, something is missing from the story of finding his identity:

As bureau agent Christopher Tarbell describes it, he and another agent discovered the Silk Road's IP address in June of 2013. According to Tarbell's somewhat cryptic account, the two agents entered "miscellaneous" data into its login page and found that its CAPTCHA—the garbled collection of letters and numbers used to filter out spam bots—was loading from an address not connected to any Tor "node," (...) the CAPTCHA data was coming directly from a data center in Iceland, the true location of the server hosting the Silk Road.

But that account of the discovery alone doesn't add up, says Runa Sandvik (...). She says the Silk Road's CAPTCHA was hosted on the same server as the rest of the Silk Road. And that would mean all of it was accessible only through Tor's network of obfuscating bounced connections. If some element of the site were accessible through a direct connection, that would represent a significant flaw in Tor itself (...). "The way [the FBI] describe how they found the real IP address doesn’t make sense to anyone who knows a lot about Tor and how web application security works," Sandvik says. "There's definitely something missing here."

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Just a month earlier, Cubrilovic points out, a Reddit user had posted that he or she had found a vulnerability that would allow a similar attack in the Silk Road's login page. And that early May date matches up with a footnote in the FBI's statement that mentions an earlier "leak" of the Silk Road's IP address.

Does this mean that the FBI has illegally found who Ulbricht is? Anyways, the thing is that, although The Silk Road did indeed help illicit activity operate, I do believe that its existence helped Bitcoin grow up faster and gave it a big spark of hope overall. In all honesty, many of us have actually started researching Bitcoin and Tor starting from the moment we heard of either its insane price growth, the darknet or both.

SATOSHI'S DISAPPEARANCE remains a mystery. Although he mostly operated on clearnet websites to communicate unlike Ulbricht, intel agencies are acting as if they don't have a single idea about who the real identity of Bitcoin's creator truly is. Considering the FBI, NSA and CIA have been able to unlock some great mysteries out there, is it really possible that Satoshi has always operated under the 100% ideal conditions so that not even the best agency out there could get to 'crack the code'?

Controversy about the FBI is not only linked to The Silk Road's case. Only last year did we hear about a former FBI lawyer being accused of altering documents in order to initiate surveillance in Trump's 2016 campaign. According to PJ Media,

Horowitz reportedly found that the FBI employee who modified the FISA document falsely stated that he had “documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis” for the FISA warrant application, the Post reported. Then, the FBI employee allegedly “altered an email” to substantiate his inaccurate version of events. The employee has since been forced out of the bureau.

(...)

Newly released text messages involving text messages between Strzok and former FBI lawyer Lisa Page revealed that Page (...) had apparently made “edits” to the so-called “302” witness report in the case(...). Page told Strzok on February 10, 2017 that she “gave my edits to Bill to put on your desk.”

It obviously doesn't stop here. There are lots of conspriacies surrounding events such as UFOs, JFK's death, Hitler's alleged suicide, 9/11 and many other large-scale events that have not been yet declassified or, if they have, appear to have potentially critical missing information without which the dots cannot be connected. This is conspiracy now, but we have to ask ourselves: once (if ever) someone comes up and proves to be the real Satoshi, how and why do we trust him? What if the so-called "real Satoshi" is a false prophet of Bitcoin, willing to destroy it?

CRAIG WRIGHT is the perfect anti-example of Satoshi. If he was the real one, all he would've proved is that unlike many thought, Satoshi was a liar full of bullshit and, apparently, full of himself. Wright tried forging documents, falsifying e-mails and recently even f***ed up by declaring he owns the address containing Mt. Gox's hacked balances. But what else did he try to do?

Wright launched Bitcoin SV, as in "Satoshi's Vision", as a currency that supposedly follows the real Satoshi's vision unlike what we consider today to be Bitcoin. However, his bullshit fell just as short as everything he said in Court, on social media and everywhere else. Bitcoin SV is only his attempt to take over something that was never his. In fact, he even tried to call Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash creators basically thieves. Had his bullshit ever had a little bit of substance, Bitcoin might have been taken down long time ago already as we all would've thought the real Satoshi has returned.

Therefore, Wright is just an attempt of Thomas Edison, who has been accused of stealing inventions and claiming credits for something he did not really invent. Edison is, interestingly, part of a conspiracy: the fact that he might've been implicated in the mysterious case of the father of cinema who also misteriously disappeared not too long after his invention. However, unlike Satoshi's mystery, we do know who Louis Le Prince was before he vanished. According to Historic Mysteries,

Edison, who couldn’t have been less of a stranger to patent lawsuits – as he regularly incited them himself, including and especially inventions that he obviously came second to creating, but wanted credit for anyways – fought hard. It was the rich and already established company man versus family of a nobody inventor who never lived to see his legacy; I’ll let you take a minute to consider who might have won.

This one sounds very similar to what would've most likely happened if Craig's words were taken for granted. In fact, there is a number of people who do take them for granted and support his coin. But taking a look back at the court history of Craig, it makes me wonder.. considering he still hasn't been punished for all the lies he made up in the court and for the forged papers, could he actually be working with an intel agency and under its protection in an attempt to change the course of Bitcoin's history?

TRUSTING SOMEONE TO BE SATOSHI COULD MEAN THE END OF BTC AS WE KNOW IT. If someone ever proves to be the real Satoshi with real evidence, it could prove to be a big danger for Bitcoin's future. Craig Wright has said multiple times that the actual course Satoshi wanted to take was creating a regulation-friendly coin. By the creation of Bitcoin SV, I would understand that Craig goes against the fundamental ideas of Bitcoin while allegedly following them.

As a lot of people are looking up to the real Satoshi, if anyone ever proves to be him (false prophet of Bitcoin or not), that entity will have a lot of influence over a lot of people.

It is quite well-known that intel has technology +50 years ahead of us. One example is quantum computers - if they became the norm tomorrow, too much of the Internet would become vulnerable to it, possibly including Bitcoin itself. But they own it and they could use it to change or prove things that aren't really true.

2020 is only one decade past Bitcoin's creation. The timeframe is still short enough for us to look for the truth and there are too many witnesses for someone to come up and change history.. but if we ever trust someone for being the real Satoshi, even with the most proof possible, we might fall into someone's trap. Digital means some things could be altered and forged well enough to create a false timeline of false events, unless verifiable.

Obviously, there is a significant difference between being against the law and being against laws that allow abuse. Most of the regulations we see being pushed every now and then go against privacy and against what Satoshi really wanted to create. Trading Bitcoin ETFs? Using third-parties and having to trust them when using a currency that was created to be trustless? Having the governments/companies hold the keys of our own coins when the keys should be our own..

Most of the authorities have shown they do not support Bitcoin by launching regulations and laws that supposedly go for Bitcoin's growth when, in fact, they really go against it. Take it as "attempting to kill the initial Bitcoin by making it non-trustless" - or changing the fundamental ideas of Bitcoin in a slow and steady way. One example I always mention is Know-Your-Customer, the regulation that allowed and still allows a lot of companies to legally seize and steal their own customers' money.

Trusting someone for being the real Satoshi might mean unknowingly trusting an entity who might want to destroy what the initial project meant to turn Bitcoin into and allowing a big change that may end up to be the death of Bitcoin as we know it.

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[Darker45]

Trusting someone for being the real Satoshi might mean unknowingly allowing a big change that may end up to be the death of Bitcoin as we know it.

Not necessarily. Trusting CSW, for example, to be the real Satoshi does not make any change at all. Neither does trusting Dorian Nakamoto to be the real Satoshi cause the death of Bitcoin. Neither does trusting anybody else allow a big change in the Bitcoin universe.

That big change will only take place if the real Satoshi shows any sign of activity.

[serjent05]

Trusting someone for being the real Satoshi might mean unknowingly allowing a big change that may end up to be the death of Bitcoin as we know it.

Or if the real Satoshi comes to the surface and proves that he is really the one, then a possibility of Bitcoin growth can be observed.  We all know, in each circumstance there is always a possible two route.  One that OP believes may lead to Bitcoin death or the opposite which can possibly lead to Bitcoin thriving because there will be this go-to guy whenever a conflict in development occurs.  Thus making it possible for the development of Bitcoin network to be faster. Aside from that, it will also create an explosion in terms of advertisement making Bitcoin as talk of the town during the appearance of its true creator.  This is just an assumption and may or may not happen but I am positive that it will bring a positive impact if ever the real Satoshi comes out.

[The Cryptovator]

Trusting someone for being the real Satoshi might mean unknowingly trusting an entity who might want to destroy what the initial project meant to turn Bitcoin into and allowing a big change that may end up to be the death of Bitcoin as we know it.

Even you trust someone as a real satoshi which he isn't then it wouldn't make any difference. Perhaps some people believe Craig Steven Wright is satoshi but we can't see any effect on bitcoin since this is a false claim. I am sure bitcoin wouldn't ended up this way with false claim. But if we found real satoshi with sign from his address then likely we will encounter huge impact on bitcoin either positive or negative. But still I can't believe it will ended up. Perhaps he is more brilliant than us who have created bitcoin and that's why he know what would happen. I believe he will revealed himself on perfect time.

[DoubleEdgeEX]

If the real Satoshi is wise he keeps a low profile and leave the spotlight to Wright. We already know that he is just a scam artist but he takes away the attention of the real one thus protecting him in a way. What do you think would the FED, the IRS and a boatload of lawyers do with the real Satoshi if he goes public? They will roast him till there is no tomorrow. All those old fashioned banking folks would unleash their rage on him, definately not a pleasant thought. I still think the late Dave Kleiman was the main Satoshi and some others like Wright and Hal Finney, Nick Szabo and the other boys were the lackeys.

[7788bitcoin]

If the real Satoshi is wise he keeps a low profile and leave the spotlight to Wright. We already know that he is just a scam artist but he takes away the attention of the real one thus protecting him in a way. What do you think would the FED, the IRS and a boatload of lawyers do with the real Satoshi if he goes public? They will roast him till there is no tomorrow. All those old fashioned banking folks would unleash their rage on him, definately not a pleasant thought. I still think the late Dave Kleiman was the main Satoshi and some others like Wright and Hal Finney, Nick Szabo and the other boys were the lackeys.

It makes no sense that the real Satoshi will remain idle when there are many players in the market claiming to be Satoshi, he would have already signed a message from the genesis block and stop and end to this speculation that is hurting the bitcoin community. The surprise here is that you knew that Wright is a scam artist and you still think that he has something to do with bitcoin in the initial stages which is really weird.

@OP If anyone could sign the known addresses of Satoshi then you could trust him to be Satoshi.

[famososMuertos]

Actually like trusting something or someone when it is no longer necessary, the cards are drawn, the game has already started, it only remains to play it as best as possible, under the rules and trust of a consensus of users.

Understand me, SN's identity is important to the community! , for bitcoin! or for governments! Which of these three elements is really interested in knowing who is SN?

Anyway, it is worth trusting or not,  today, tomorrow or when it appears (if it happens) if bitcoin already has the confidence it needed and is represented in 17 million bitcoin circulating at a price of almost $ 10,000*.

SN and its million BTC are more a well-thought-out strategy than what bitcoin represents, confidence in the security of funds and anonymity, the main standards that led today's bitcoin to have the value of almost $ 10,000. That in a way represents trust in bitcoin more than an individual.

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*check marketplace for current prices.
SN: Satoshi Nakamoto.

[KrisAlex18]

For security and safety, Satoshi keeps being anonymous, so if someone calls him real Satoshi does not believe him because there would be no people who would let himself. or herself was known by many people because it is such a dangerous activity. There would be many people who will be interested in you and try to attack you because they know that you are so powerful a person and have so much money. Satoshi is so great, wise, and rich person because he made the successful cryptocurrency which is the bitcoin so he chose to be anonymous to protect himself and his family as well.

[Negotiation]

You are right that we should not believe them at all They usually spread these false rumors Satoshi Nakamoto made bitcoin he is there but no one knows his exact information. If he had given his identity long ago he would not have kept the information secret for so long Those who want to identify themselves as Satoshi should stay away from these people They are always doing harm and inventing new scams These should be avoided for your own protection.

[AniviaBtc]

For security and safety, Satoshi keeps being anonymous, so if someone calls him real Satoshi does not believe him because there would be no people who would let himself. or herself was known by many people because it is such a dangerous activity. There would be many people who will be interested in you and try to attack you because they know that you are so powerful a person and have so much money. Satoshi is so great, wise, and rich person because he made the successful cryptocurrency which is the bitcoin so he chose to be anonymous to protect himself and his family as well.

Claiming satoshi's identity is useless, you need to prove a lot of things and probably there's no one like him. He is unique and wise enough when it comes to this kind of activities that involves money. Maybe, Satoshi wants to leave a mark and mystery to us that's why he don't want to become known or famous about his creation.

Bitcoin is now popular and the most outstanding cryptocurrency among all other cryptocurrency, and Satoshi is really successful on making a digital currency that is useful for its users. No one can claim Satoshi's identity, he is one of a kind and if you claim it, probably, your life will become at risk.

[Wexnident]

Can anyone even pose as Satoshi at this point in time? A decade is more than enough for records to be passed down, to be accessed by others, and the like. Proof of Satoshi may even be on the hands of multiple people now, whether it be an intentional release by Satoshi himself or not. Additionally, even if the real Satoshi comes out, not much could be done to the system of Bitcoin. It's been set there and then when it was created, there isn't much difference in what would happen whether Satoshi reveals himself alive, or reveals himself when he dies. Although there is a difference if the one that reveals himself is a faketoshi like CSW, which as you said, brought about a no small amount of negative raves to BTC.

[michellee]

If someone can not prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, why should we trust that person? Without proving to the public, we can consider that he will try to scam many people, especially new people who don't have more information about who is Satoshi. I only think that after Satoshi announcing about blockchain technology and bitcoin, he got an invite to join in another big project, so he decides to keep anonymous and hide his identity to the public, and let them have questions about who is he.

[Debonaire217]

If someone can not prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, why should we trust that person? Without proving to the public, we can consider that he will try to scam many people, especially new people who don't have more information about who is Satoshi. I only think that after Satoshi announcing about blockchain technology and bitcoin, he got an invite to join in another big project, so he decides to keep anonymous and hide his identity to the public, and let them have questions about who is he.

It's plain and simple, sign the wallet address of the first transaction in the genesis block and show it to the public. Though proving that you are the real satoshi will not incur any help, it will just make bitcoin's market in a complicated situation as we know, it is satoshi's decision to remain anonymous, and we should respect that decision for good.

This personality Craig Wright has just proven himself as an impostor and just created hype for his personal interests in bitcoin and cryptocurrency. It doesn't really benefit us, thus, we just waste time reading news about him over time.

[Maus0728]

Let me quote what I always say with regards to the real satoshi topic.

There are lots of rumors and conspiracy who Satoshi really is but none of the proves their claim. Talking about the real identity of satoshi is truly a great entertainment but it doesn't mean that we need to force ourselves in disclosing an identity of a person who doesn't even want a spotlight  .

In fact, satoshi can be an alien, man, woman, a company or a non-binary. Again, it is entertaining but it will never shed some light.

More info here:
[1] Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies on bitcointalk

It will always serve as an entertainment for everyone because of too much conspiracies involved to the real identity of satoshi. The only thing we can for now is to educate ourselves rather than making spotflight to a person called "faketoshi" who doesn't even contribute for the betterment of the bitcoin community. Though, at least, he's making a free advertisement for bitcoin itself.

[davis196]

So you say that if the real Satoshi Nakamoto comes out of the shadows(if he's still alive),this would put Bitcoin in great danger.Why and how?Bitcoin Core is existing without Satoshi Nakamoto for so long.
Do you think that the real Satoshi will try to destroy Bitcoin Core?I don't think so.
Trusting someone to be the real Satoshi without any good evidence is just pure stupidity.
Having trust in this or that person that has or had any role in the creation of Bitcoin is kinda pointless.
We should trust the idea and concept behind Bitcoin Core/blockchain,not Satoshi or some of the fake imposters of Satoshi.

[maxreish]

Let's be realistic. SATOSHI NAKAMOTO remains himself/themselves to be anonymous. I believe there is a good reason behind why he wanted to stayed as a secret identity.

TRUSTING SOMEONE TO BE SATOSHI COULD MEAN THE END OF BTC AS WE KNOW IT. If someone ever proves to be the real Satoshi with real evidence, it could prove to be a big danger for Bitcoin's future.

But what if the REAL Satoshi came up and claimed that he is the real one? Providing all the evidences? Can't we still trust him? If ever one day he comes out, it is for the better progress of this blockchain technology he created.

[DoubleEdgeEX]

If the real Satoshi is wise he keeps a low profile and leave the spotlight to Wright. We already know that he is just a scam artist but he takes away the attention of the real one thus protecting him in a way. What do you think would the FED, the IRS and a boatload of lawyers do with the real Satoshi if he goes public? They will roast him till there is no tomorrow. All those old fashioned banking folks would unleash their rage on him, definately not a pleasant thought. I still think the late Dave Kleiman was the main Satoshi and some others like Wright and Hal Finney, Nick Szabo and the other boys were the lackeys.

It makes no sense that the real Satoshi will remain idle when there are many players in the market claiming to be Satoshi, he would have already signed a message from the genesis block and stop and end to this speculation that is hurting the bitcoin community. The surprise here is that you knew that Wright is a scam artist and you still think that he has something to do with bitcoin in the initial stages which is really weird.

@OP If anyone could sign the known addresses of Satoshi then you could trust him to be Satoshi.

I see your point but I disagree. Satoshi putting out a message would just mean that he is still alive and would motivate people, and regulatory folks, even more to search for him. The damage, if you really want to call it that, of people speculating of a real Satoshi in comparison to class action law suits against its inventor are 1:100000. Speculating is something that has no permanent effect on the price, a law suit and legal actions would have.
As for my idea about Wright being involved, I think he really was but I also think he is not the inventor he claims to be.

[Wind_FURY]

OP, or we should be ready in slowly disowning Satoshi. Bitcoin has moved on, it SHOULD move on. Plus with the expanded technical understanding of the network, and blockchain scaling, I believe Satoshi might admit that using the term "peer to peer cash" in the white paper might be a mistake. It colored our perception.

[gentlemand]

It's plain and simple, sign the wallet address of the first transaction in the genesis block and show it to the public.

That will prove you control those keys, nothing else. It is of course extremely compelling but not definitive. I'm not sure anything is when someone's entire story has taken place via channels that can be passed on to someone else.

And a Satoshi turning up now and attracting a following would be so out of character from everything that has gone before that he'd attract just as much suspicion as our favourite tubby Australian.

[Jating]

It's plain and simple, sign the wallet address of the first transaction in the genesis block and show it to the public.

That will prove you control those keys, nothing else. It is of course extremely compelling but not definitive. I'm not sure anything is when someone's entire story has taken place via channels that can be passed on to someone else.

Right, https://nakamotoinstitute.org/static/satoshinakamoto.asc

And a Satoshi turning up now and attracting a following would be so out of character from everything that has gone before that he'd attract just as much suspicion as our favourite tubby Australian.

He opted to remain out of the limelight for many years as to not attract any attention as compare to the Fake Satoshi who wants everyone's eye and concoct a lot of contradicting stories that you really know he is trying hard to fit and become Satoshi himself.

[BitcoinFX]

I trust that the real satoshi is Nakamoto.

In Crypto we Trust. Vires in Numeris.

N+1

[blockman]

If someone can not prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, why should we trust that person? Without proving to the public, we can consider that he will try to scam many people, especially new people who don't have more information about who is Satoshi. I only think that after Satoshi announcing about blockchain technology and bitcoin, he got an invite to join in another big project, so he decides to keep anonymous and hide his identity to the public, and let them have questions about who is he.

Whoever Satoshi Nakamoto is and claims it to the public that he is through words, there's no way that everybody will believe to him. Unless those people are blind followers, they can easily be fooled by that guy just like the example as stated as we know the known con.
We will never know what's the reason for satoshi's keeping himself to the public and who he is or they are. And that's going to be one of the greatest mystery ever in this community.

[CarnagexD]

You are right that we should not believe them at all They usually spread these false rumors Satoshi Nakamoto made bitcoin he is there but no one knows his exact information. If he had given his identity long ago he would not have kept the information secret for so long Those who want to identify themselves as Satoshi should stay away from these people They are always doing harm and inventing new scams These should be avoided for your own protection.

That's what the true Satoshi Nakamoto wants, he wants to stay anonymous and mysterious and leave a mark to all of us. He used his own creation, the best cryptocurrency in the world to become known and popular. The real Satoshi really influenced all of us and he deserved all the credits that we could give to him.

It is not that easy to claim that you're Satoshi Nakamoto, no one can even do and prove that. If you will try to claim his identity then that's a waste of time and you need to proof and strong evidence for that. And also don't put your life at risk just by saying that you're the one who created bitcoin because many will become triggered with that.

Just give credit to the real Satoshi Nakamoto for his wonderful Bitcoin.

[michellee]

If someone can not prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, why should we trust that person? Without proving to the public, we can consider that he will try to scam many people, especially new people who don't have more information about who is Satoshi. I only think that after Satoshi announcing about blockchain technology and bitcoin, he got an invite to join in another big project, so he decides to keep anonymous and hide his identity to the public, and let them have questions about who is he.

It's plain and simple, sign the wallet address of the first transaction in the genesis block and show it to the public. Though proving that you are the real satoshi will not incur any help, it will just make bitcoin's market in a complicated situation as we know, it is satoshi's decision to remain anonymous, and we should respect that decision for good.

This personality Craig Wright has just proven himself as an impostor and just created hype for his personal interests in bitcoin and cryptocurrency. It doesn't really benefit us, thus, we just waste time reading news about him over time.

That is so simple. Even Satoshi himself doesn't need to show his face to the public if he doesn't want the public to know who he is. By signing the wallet address and show it to the public, that can make the public knows that he still in the crypto world, and he still watches the bitcoin moves. We should use our time for another thing that to read the news about Craigh Wright

If someone can not prove he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, why should we trust that person? Without proving to the public, we can consider that he will try to scam many people, especially new people who don't have more information about who is Satoshi. I only think that after Satoshi announcing about blockchain technology and bitcoin, he got an invite to join in another big project, so he decides to keep anonymous and hide his identity to the public, and let them have questions about who is he.

Whoever Satoshi Nakamoto is and claims it to the public that he is through words, there's no way that everybody will believe to him. Unless those people are blind followers, they can easily be fooled by that guy just like the example as stated as we know the known con.
We will never know what's the reason for satoshi's keeping himself to the public and who he is or they are. And that's going to be one of the greatest mystery ever in this community.

That is why we need to respect his decision to leave from here. I am sure that if he thinks that someday, he needs to come back to here again, he will come and talk with us, and maybe he will explain what he did so far to us. We don't need to chase him because I don't think we can find him hiding. Let him work with his project while we can use his creation for our benefit.

[meanwords]

You are saying that information, history, and identities can be altered in the internet but not the private keys that the REAL Satoshi Nakamoto have. That's the only way to prove his real identities and that is what the community is looking for. He has been hiding for almost a decade now, I'm pretty sure that he won't be appearing. But I'm kind of curious, how can he be the death of his own creation? is he going to go do stupid things like faketoshi by patenting or owning everything about Bitcoin? Because at this point, he doesn't have any reason to do that. He is probably enjoying the fruit of his labor somewhere. He'll only put himself to danger if he does that.

[Wind_FURY]

I trust that the real satoshi is Nakamoto.

In Crypto we Trust. Vires in Numeris.

N+1

I trust that the real Satoshi is NOT some Borat-like character, who lies, who doctors legal documents, and defrauds people. I believe the real Satoshi would want his own myth dead.

[stsfi]

Satoshi is smart man who decided to stay underground, imagine the pressure from law enforcements & banks.


He did us a favour by initiating crypto revolution, BTC may or may not survive to future but its legacy will .

[blockman]

That is why we need to respect his decision to leave from here. I am sure that if he thinks that someday, he needs to come back to here again, he will come and talk with us, and maybe he will explain what he did so far to us. We don't need to chase him because I don't think we can find him hiding. Let him work with his project while we can use his creation for our benefit.

We have no idea if he's alive or not anymore. Many of us are not expecting him anymore to do some surprise comeback and accepts the fact that he's not going to back.
I guess we just have to embrace that and don't expect anything anymore.

[finaleshot2016]

That is why we need to respect his decision to leave from here. I am sure that if he thinks that someday, he needs to come back to here again, he will come and talk with us, and maybe he will explain what he did so far to us. We don't need to chase him because I don't think we can find him hiding. Let him work with his project while we can use his creation for our benefit.

We have no idea if he's alive or not anymore. Many of us are not expecting him anymore to do some surprise comeback and accepts the fact that he's not going to back.
I guess we just have to embrace that and don't expect anything anymore.

Satoshi Nakamoto maybe is having a peaceful right now so I guess we shouldn't be bothered anymore by his personality. The fact that he created Bitcoin with a pseudonym of Satoshi Nakamoto, he don't want to reveal his personality. I guess he already knew that when the time comes, BTC rises, the government will definitely be looking for him to take control of BTC right now. Don't expect of a comeback, everyone deserves a peaceful life, and I guess he doesn't want to be involved in politics.

[MCobian]

In my opinion satoshi nakamoto will always be anonymous, because that is the best for the development of bitcoin. If anyone claims to be
the real satoshi should not be trusted, because none of the people who claim to be the real satoshi can show evidence. Actually, today many
people claim to be real Satoshi Nakamoto's, just to find popularity. So don't give them a stage became famous, because it was the main goal
of faketoshi. I agree with the words in the opening post that trust someone as satoshi nakamoto will endanger the future of bitcoin, because
that person will make bitcoin end. By making projects that he created can replace bitcoin. For example Craig Wright with his creation BSV.

[michellee]

We have no idea if he's alive or not anymore. Many of us are not expecting him anymore to do some surprise comeback and accepts the fact that he's not going to back.
I guess we just have to embrace that and don't expect anything anymore.

I think he still alive somewhere with his work. We don't know if he will come back or not, but we need to keep trying to use his legacy to our benefits. If he thinks that he needs to come out, he will show himself to us, and he will do what is necessary, especially related to the blockchain itself. Meanwhile, we can keep busy to make more profit from bitcoin

[Negotiation]

I don't think there is anyone to say Satoshi Satoshi made bitcoin but no one has been able to identify him so far Whether Satoshi is alive or dead no one knows the real secret behind making bitcoin. Therefore it is not right for us to believe that some people who have Satoshi usually want to introduce themselves as Satoshi in order to scam.

[Leviathan.007]

Actually, I remember just a few months ago someone used an email address belongs to Satoshi himself and asked for some private keys. Maybe because the email address if not under control of Satoshi. Whenever someone claims to be Satoshi always in the first place we should ask him to send a message using PGP encrypted message. Satoshi could be anyone who is currently active in this forum using another account. But, people like Craig Wright have no right to even speak about Satoshi. These days we have many people claim to be Satoshi and they all lying about it.

[shoreno]

In my opinion satoshi nakamoto will always be anonymous, because that is the best for the development of bitcoin. If anyone claims to be
the real satoshi should not be trusted, because none of the people who claim to be the real satoshi can show evidence. Actually, today many
people claim to be real Satoshi Nakamoto's, just to find popularity. So don't give them a stage became famous, because it was the main goal
of faketoshi. I agree with the words in the opening post that trust someone as satoshi nakamoto will endanger the future of bitcoin, because
that person will make bitcoin end. By making projects that he created can replace bitcoin. For example Craig Wright with his creation BSV.

dont know whats the benefits of being anonymous to its project but i can only say that it has some advantage    .  people that claims to be satoshi are already popular personalities so i dont think being famous is thier only goal why they do it   .  maybe they have really a plan to steal the owner ship of btc from the real satoshi but they act like a noob because if they are fake , they cant still show an evidence .  they are only wasting thier time and the time of the users that gets interested to this   . its also obvious that he is fake when he tries to promote other coin aside from btc 

[FlightyPouch]

I trust that the real satoshi is Nakamoto.

In Crypto we Trust. Vires in Numeris.

N+1

I trust that the real Satoshi is NOT some Borat-like character, who lies, who doctors legal documents, and defrauds people. I believe the real Satoshi would want his own myth dead.

I agree on this. Why would he just leave bitcoin and just come back claiming it back again? I don't understand that a genius guy like Satoshi Nakamoto would do that. He is just out there, might be smiling or laughing to those people who claims they are the real one. We never know, he might be reading this post from his mobile phone or PC.

[blockman]

Satoshi Nakamoto maybe is having a peaceful right now so I guess we shouldn't be bothered anymore by his personality. The fact that he created Bitcoin with a pseudonym of Satoshi Nakamoto, he don't want to reveal his personality. I guess he already knew that when the time comes, BTC rises, the government will definitely be looking for him to take control of BTC right now. Don't expect of a comeback, everyone deserves a peaceful life, and I guess he doesn't want to be involved in politics.

It's also what's on my mind. No need to bother him or whether we do bother him, we don't know if he's going to be bothered or he's already used to it that he's the talk of the town.
I'm also not expecting that he'll show someday but if he does, that's a mystery which has been solved. But in these times, a lot of cons are pretending to be him so we shouldn't bother too.

[sheenshane]

I am curious, how should someone prove that he is the real inventor of bitcoin, the mysterious satoshi nakamoto. I do not see a way to prove it that one is the actual founder of bitcoin...

No one proves the real identity of Bitcoin creator and that is Satoshi Nakamoto, even Craig Wright did not prove this upon on his claim that he is the real creator of Bitcoin. If someone can create a Bitcoin message on this address, 12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX, which is the first Bitcoin address of Genesis block which was the first Bitcoin address that received rewards from Bitcoin mining process then, he is the real one.

For me, let's respect of what the decision was made by Satoshi, he wants this from the start to be presumed pseudonymous for his own safety. There's no way to increase the price of Bitcoin even we know who really the real Satoshi is/are.

[coolcoinz]

It's plain and simple, sign the wallet address of the first transaction in the genesis block and show it to the public.

That will prove you control those keys, nothing else. It is of course extremely compelling but not definitive. I'm not sure anything is when someone's entire story has taken place via channels that can be passed on to someone else.

And a Satoshi turning up now and attracting a following would be so out of character from everything that has gone before that he'd attract just as much suspicion as our favourite tubby Australian.

Controlling the private keys would be a solid proof. I know that it would not be definitive, but a good start for sure. Without it I wouldn't even go into details with this new Satoshi, and I'm pretty sure most bitcoiners would treat him like another imposter. If the owner of Satoshi's coins had a plausible explanation of how it all started and why he remained in hiding for so long, people would believe him.
Would it be good for Bitcoin? No. Would it be good for Satoshi? No. Would it make him a target? Probably yes, unless he was under some protection as an agent already...

[target]

50 years later when we are all dead, the people behind Craig Wright may just e successful in brainwashing everyone that indeed he is satoshi just as how Thomas Edison claimed things when it was Nikola Tesla was the first to have introduced the great technology before him.

The proof that satoshi had been here in the forum might all be gone including this forum if not protected from the people behind Craig. 100 years more, the name satoshi may not exist but only Craig Wright because history is created by those who are consistent, and by then they can already patent Bitcoin and blockchain.

[Reatim]

Do not believe if someone calls himself Satoshi, Satoshi is very great and intelligent because he made a successful currency which is the bitcoin so he wouldn't put himself at risk by showing off who is the real him. He is still anonymous and will keep being anonymous because he needs it to protect himself as well as his family.

All those who claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto is also Intelligent and bright People thats why they come to claim things that they don't really deserve in short they are only FUD.

But Thanks for this thread as it was a really great pointers on how and why people cannot be Satoshi and will never have some stupid victims here.


I am sure before the world wide adoption of Bitcoin,these faketoshis will already gone and never bother the Crypto space forever 

[dongosquad]

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For me, let's respect of what the decision was made by Satoshi, he wants this from the start to be presumed pseudonymous for his own safety. There's no way to increase the price of Bitcoin even we know who really the real Satoshi is/are.

I chose to be on this site. Leaving what Satoshi wanted to keep secret was a form of my gratitude for what he/they created. After all, there is no direct benefit we can get if we really can reveal the fact who he really is, right? let the secret be a secret, it will be a unique attraction that will always be discussed by everyone throughout the history of bitcoin.

-- He is still anonymous and will keep being anonymous because he needs it to protect himself as well as his family.

Of course it would have been a different story if Satoshi hadn't kept his identity a secret from the start. It could be that the security of themselves and their families will be threatened. From here I can guess Satoshi's personality which is very visionary and considerate, so he won't carelessly reveal his identity.

[Shasha80]

I agree that don't believe if someone claims to be the real satoshi nakamoto, because until whenever satoshi nakamoto will always be
anonymous. Let's just focus on bitcoin, and respect the wishes of satoshi nakamoto who wants to be anonymous. If we trust someone
as a real satoshi nakamoto, then we will be victims of fraud. This is very detrimental to us.

[shata]

If Satoshi Nakamoto in its first intention wants to be known; well he would not wait 10 years in the first place. If not with Satoshi Nakamoto the goal and vision of Bitcoin will not reflect among what it is right now. So, anybody saying they are Satoshi is considered bizarre.

Once Nakamoto in its entirety, meets with the public: he will become the most famous person in the world, worthy than any hollywood actors/actresses. For sure, he will not do that scene. Unless he is not He but they?

If Satoshi Nakamoto will meet up the public because he realized, he is famous but no one even recognized him (if he wants to become a public figure offcourse) then markets of bitcoin will fly beyond the moon-knowing that there is still hope for another hedge on bitcoins network devs. Will these are only "what ifs".

[BlackHatCoiner]

About the satoshi mystery.

There will be no proof of satoshi. The only way for satoshi to reveal that he is truly him, is to sign a message. We can make many theories about who could be, but the only "proof" is that. End of story. And yes, I believe too that if we find out who is he/she, it will affect the bitcoin's value and price.

I don't know how people have calculated that he/she has more than 1MBTC but if it's true, he is a big threat to the economy. (If those BTC are accessable)

[gamer4156]

There could be many reasons behind this. First of all, it is a big deal. A lot of big power and money matters are involved here. On the one hand, one's own security is involved here, on the other hand, the security of the whole family is also involved. And many will want to claim it for themselves because it is a matter of great honor to him.
But we can't accept anyone in this place because the administration is involved here and all our money can be wasted.

[basicnecromancycr]

Great study but I disagree. Maybe revealing the real identity of Satoshi creates some enormous effects on the crypto world but it doesn't necessarily cause death of Bitcoin since Bitcoin has already become something near a public property.

[pawanjain]

May be the real Satoshi would never show up because he would have never estimated that bitcoin's price would have increase so much.
He knows that if he shows up then people might actually panic and spread the FUD that Satoshi would sell his coins which would drain bitcoin's price.
Anyway, Satoshi has not shown up yet and everybody else who is impersonating him is just fake.
Why we should not trust anybody is because if Satoshi would show up then we would know.
This forum has some great people who are good at identifying identities and I am sure they will be able to tell if the person is actaul Satoshi or not.

[Hypnosis00]

Not necessarily...for that fact that many people would claim to be like him and to proclaim themselves but has nothing proved.
Do we have the DNA test of Satoshi? Not for sure he has the record left and to proves the true identity of Mr. Satoshi. To keep him anonymously will be the benefits of every to (as I think) and this will also imply that crypto will remain anonymous as what the creator projected to be.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Not necessarily...for that fact that many people would claim to be like him and to proclaim themselves but has nothing proved.
Do we have the DNA test of Satoshi? Not for sure he has the record left and to proves the true identity of Mr. Satoshi. To keep him anonymously will be the benefits of every to (as I think) and this will also imply that crypto will remain anonymous as what the creator projected to be.

You don't need his DNA to prove that he is the real one. Just to move a bitcoin from the first or second address. That's enough.

[bitbunnny]

So far we had so many persons who claimed they were Satosho Nakamoto that now even if the real one appeared no one would have believed him.
I don't think that real Satoshi will ever reveal true identity and that is for a reason. But people are so obsessed to know who that person is and that is why we have so many false ones. Everyone of them thinks it will be able to convince people and have some use of it or at least publicity.

[Coin_trader]

The real Satoshi will never reveal his identity. The strong proof here is the blockchain which main objective is to decentralized all the transaction of future money. I believe Satoshi has separate wallet which containing huge chunk of BTC that sufficient for him in his daily needs. There's a lot of danger waiting for him if he will reveal identity and one of it are the founder of banking system and government.

So in conclusion. All people that claim he is Satoshi is a fake, Same with the future claim. I will cut my balls if he really appear and verified. Screenshot this post and PM me once it really happened. 

[Spaffin]

To date, I have heard several times about impostors who call themselves Satoshi Nakamoto. An example is the former DJ from Germany, Jörg Molt, who calls himself the creator of Bitcoin and at the same time creates his own school called the Satoshi School, where he educates people online in everything related to cryptocurrency. There is another example where the Hawaiian fraudster Ronald Kela Kua Maria, quite seriously calls himself Satoshi Nakamoto, and Craig Wright does not even need to talk about the well-known, as this is a very famous person. therefore, due to speculation on the name of Satoshi Nakamoto, I think no cryptocurrency user will believe such people who can’t even give basic evidence of their innocence.

[bearexin]

Well, you’re right in the sense that it Satoshi Nakamoto shows up today he will be able to influence a lot of people.
But, I don’t think he would like to change this invention, he’d rather leave it the way it and only make a few improvements just to fix things that were not done perfectly when he created it. This way you make sense by saying like we should never need to believe into anyone as the real satoshi. I agree with you on this.

I don’t think he will change the way bitcoin works by making it regulation-friendly, unless the government is going to force him to do something like that (if it’s possible). But if he does, a lot of people might decide to stop making use of bitcoin, because there are lots of people that are making use of bitcoin because of the freedom they do get from it.

[Tonteus]

Because the real Satoshi will never reveal his real identity, and it can also be a group of people.

[pixie85]

You don't need his DNA to prove that he is the real one. Just to move a bitcoin from the first or second address. That's enough.

It has been mentioned in the thread that moving coins would not be a proof of someone being Satoshi. It would only prove that this person has access to Satoshi's coins. It wouldn't be the first time that a wallet has changed hands.

If you saw your father's car driving down the street you'd assume it's him, but it could very well be his brother or one of his friends.

The real Satoshi disappeared for a reason. He's either dead or hiding and won't come out for fame like CSW.

[Spendulus]

...
TRUSTING SOMEONE TO BE SATOSHI COULD MEAN THE END OF BTC AS WE KNOW IT.....

Trusting someone for being the real Satoshi might mean unknowingly trusting an entity who might want to destroy what the initial project meant to turn Bitcoin into and allowing a big change that may end up to be the death of Bitcoin as we know it.

You have made numerous good points, but I abbreviate your post to this and have a question.

When the Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer method of e-transaction that can operate WITHOUT TRUST, why does the question of TRUST AS TO IT'S CREATER even arise?

It should be improper on first principles.

[leoagro]

Because Satoshi will never reveal his identity, it's not profitable, it's not safe, never.

[CODE200]

If Satoshi Nakamoto in its first intention wants to be known; well he would not wait 10 years in the first place. If not with Satoshi Nakamoto the goal and vision of Bitcoin will not reflect among what it is right now. So, anybody saying they are Satoshi is considered bizarre.

The intention of him was not to be popular but is a pure innovation for a currency revolution he could've done press conference when he launched it out. We don't need to know him personally anymore, it's his privacy and of course for security. For those people who are claiming that they are Satoshi? I like your boldness but you guys are insane.

Once Nakamoto in its entirety, meets with the public: he will become the most famous person in the world, worthy than any hollywood actors/actresses. For sure, he will not do that scene. Unless he is not He but they?

There is no chance that he'll be out for publicity, he could've also done this in 2017 to make a strong statement to bitcoin.

If Satoshi Nakamoto will meet up the public because he realized, he is famous but no one even recognized him (if he wants to become a public figure offcourse) then markets of bitcoin will fly beyond the moon-knowing that there is still hope for another hedge on bitcoins network devs. Will these are only "what ifs".

Revealing himself will just cause unnecessary events, it is better to keep his/their mouth shut to prevent unwanted conflicts.

[FlightyPouch]

There will be no proof of satoshi.

There are traces of him in the past where he is active. But we can't really prove someone to be him since that is what we have. Private Messages, Emails. In the past, I have this idea of making a thread about the old users using their profile number and asking them about Satoshi, one user replied to me and said that they did not even talk or still don't know each other. That might help since we might be able to check the earlier members of the forum and might be someone close to him but still, they can just always lie, that is why I stop.

[Loomely]

Hiding Satoshi himself was referring to someone who does not want the world to know who he is. Tor has used a lot of ways to protect his IP addresses. His mastery of the English language and his use of a fake name will make it difficult to know his identity.
why do you need to know who he is? Many people do not use Bitcoin not because it is unknown, but rather because it led to speculation with high volatility, most of them do not know who is Satoshi and therefore do not care about that.

[peterurb]

I think, that Satoshi never says who he is. I think, that he is dead now or he has huge willpower, cause I will tell who am I. But in Bitcoin's starts, it was unlegal to make your own money in the USA so it is possible, that he is American and also, cause he was working at American day-time. And there is less offer and people will want to buy BTC so it is a huge probability, that price will rise.