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June 24, 2020, 08:08:18 PM
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In regards to this topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173082.0

We have provided proof and will provide further proof to fix whatever needs to be fixed. And whether you wish to give us negative trust is up to you, we understand that.

But calling us a scam, claiming our team is photoshopped, even after we have provided proof that we are real people, not "photoshopped" images, as some DT members claim so boldly, goes too far.

We would like to ask the DT members to correct their libelous comments in our reputation on our profile and on the thread in question...

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Your whitepaper was plagiarized. That's what your red trust is based on and that's not a false claim, it's been proven quite conclusively.
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June 24, 2020, 08:21:46 PM
Last edit: June 24, 2020, 08:35:07 PM by irfan_pak10
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In regards to this topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173082.0

We have provided proof and will provide further proof to fix whatever needs to be fixed. And whether you wish to give us negative trust is up to you, we understand that.

But calling us a scam, claiming our team is photoshopped, even after we have provided proof that we are real people, not "photoshopped" images, as some DT members claim so boldly, goes too far.

We would like to ask the DT members to correct their libelous comments in our reputation on our profile and on the thread in question...


Is there a possibility that your team can join a live chat with someone and provide all the proof?

It seems that your whitepaper is plagiarised, but I read your message where you said yourself it was a mistake, so you provided proof that your team isn't professional, included yourself, that you didn't double-check everything before launch. Your main purpose was to collect funds, with whatever means.

Edit:

After going through your ANN, it seems you also bought from someone thread bumping services, which is also against forum rules [thanks to admin, all the members are banned but why not you who hired them in the first place?], again unprofessional behaviors.

Edit 2:

According to Turnitin, your whitepaper is 25% plagiarised where <15% is allowed, So its also against international plagiarism laws, you could be sued, again unprofessional.



Edit 3:

Since 9% is from your site [since you didn't have time to make the new text you just copy-pasted from your whitepaper to your website], it still counts for 16%

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June 24, 2020, 08:25:09 PM
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We have provided proof and will provide further proof to fix whatever needs to be fixed. And whether you wish to give us negative trust is up to you, we understand that.
Its seems you got negative feedback for plagiarism. What you will fix? Are someone your employee on the forum who have exposed your plagiarism? If not then they are the not one who will point out your mistakes and write you on privately. Whoever expose this matter they want to help the community and save forum users from such shady platform. They didn't wrote wrong since they mentioned about your plagiarism and it wouldn't be erased even you rewrite your whitepaper. You should write your whitepaper by your team or hire any professional whitepaper writer who will write your concept perfectly. So don't expect sympathy after correction.

Just forget about team, I don't have enough time to check. Plagiarism itself is enough to leave you negative feedback.

Also, please take a look at the new whitepaper on icoin.ws
It doesn't make sense at all. Change everything after exposed will not change the fact. I told above anyone isn't your employee here.

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June 24, 2020, 08:25:41 PM
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Your whitepaper was plagiarized. That's what your red trust is based on and that's not a false claim, it's been proven quite conclusively.

This comment does not make any sense. As I said, the red trust is your business. But saying our team is photoshopped or fake, or that we are scamming, is not true and has no basis at all.

Also, please take a look at the new whitepaper on icoin.ws

Ps. The only questionable parts of text were filler text. (About the history of Diamonds and so on).

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June 24, 2020, 08:31:42 PM
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Your whitepaper was plagiarized. That's what your red trust is based on and that's not a false claim, it's been proven quite conclusively.

This comment does not make any sense. As I said, the red trust is your business. But saying our team is photoshopped or fake, or that we are scamming, is not true and has no basis at all.

Also, please take a look at the new whitepaper on icoin.ws

I did check plagiarism a few seconds ago, if you want a copy I can send you, so you can remove plagiarism, since you removed some of it, from previous reports  Grin

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June 24, 2020, 08:34:01 PM
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Your whitepaper was plagiarized. That's what your red trust is based on and that's not a false claim, it's been proven quite conclusively.

This comment does not make any sense. As I said, the red trust is your business. But saying our team is photoshopped or fake, or that we are scamming, is not true and has no basis at all.

Also, please take a look at the new whitepaper on icoin.ws

I did check plagiarism a few seconds ago, if you want a copy I can send you, so you can remove plagiarism, since you removed some of it, from previous reports  Grin


Please do. Much appreciated.

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June 24, 2020, 08:35:20 PM
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Your whitepaper was plagiarized. That's what your red trust is based on and that's not a false claim, it's been proven quite conclusively.

This comment does not make any sense. As I said, the red trust is your business. But saying our team is photoshopped or fake, or that we are scamming, is not true and has no basis at all.

The red trust is all based on plagiarism. You copied someone elses work and made it appear like it was your own.

If this doesn't make sense to you than you shouldn't be running an ico.

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June 24, 2020, 08:42:12 PM
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How is a negative feedback about your plagiarized whitepaper a false claim?
Changing the contents of the whitepaper now after getting busted doesn't erase the fact that you plagiarized it in the first place. If it was your mistake as you "claim" then you pay for it, the feedback acts a reference.

It's like you going to a bank as a robber while wearing a mask then after getting busted, you remove the mask and start claiming you are not a robber. Who will believe you?

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June 24, 2020, 08:43:42 PM
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The responsible "professionals" who "helped" us with their "ICO services" will be held accountable by full extent of the law. We can assure you this.

But we should not have let their obscure services slip through the cracks of our inspections. That is our fault, if anything.

But more importantly, our diamond mining operations are already well underway. We are very sad to hear that you are not even going to consider giving us a second chance in all of this.

I hope we will be able to change your minds in the near future, after our token has been listed.

The responsible "professionals" who "helped" us with their "ICO services" will be held accountable by full extent of the law. We can assure you this.

And the red trust is you being held responsible since they're your white papers.  Why would you ever let someone else write the white papers for your project? 

That is fine. All we ask is that you do not make false accusations one after another (for example, that our team is photoshopped)

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The responsible "professionals" who "helped" us with their "ICO services" will be held accountable by full extent of the law. We can assure you this.

And the red trust is you being held responsible since they're your white papers.  Why would you ever let someone else write the white papers for your project? 

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June 24, 2020, 08:48:02 PM
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Your whitepaper was plagiarized. That's what your red trust is based on and that's not a false claim, it's been proven quite conclusively.

This comment does not make any sense. As I said, the red trust is your business. But saying our team is photoshopped or fake, or that we are scamming, is not true and has no basis at all.

Whitepaper plagiarism is a fact. I don't care if it makes sense to you. You don't have to like your red trust but that doesn't make it invalid. And if there are other claims being made - that also doesn't invalidate the fact of plagiarism.

Also, please take a look at the new whitepaper on icoin.ws

Ps. The only questionable parts of text were filler text. (About the history of Diamonds and so on).

Plagiarism is plagiarism regardless of which part of text was copied. It's deception (passing someone's work as your own) and in this case it's deception with the purpose of raising funds for your IEO (fraud).

There might be ways for you to fix the reputation of your project but denying facts isn't one of them.
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June 24, 2020, 08:50:05 PM
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There might be ways for you to fix the reputation of your project but denying facts isn't one of them.

We want to find a way to make this right. We are not denying.  If there is anything we can do, please send us a message. We appreciate the Bitcointalk community for taking their time to talk to us in a straight fashion.

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June 24, 2020, 09:00:51 PM
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There might be ways for you to fix the reputation of your project but denying facts isn't one of them.

We want to find a way to make this right. We are not denying.  If there is anything we can do, please send us a message. We appreciate the Bitcointalk community for taking their time to talk to us in a straight fashion.

How did you end up with bump-spammers in your thread?

After going through your ANN, it seems you also bought from someone thread bumping services, which is also against forum rules [thanks to admin, all the members are banned but why not you who hired them in the first place?], again unprofessional behaviors.

That sort of thing doesn't happen accidentally.
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There might be ways for you to fix the reputation of your project but denying facts isn't one of them.

We want to find a way to make this right. We are not denying.  If there is anything we can do, please send us a message. We appreciate the Bitcointalk community for taking their time to talk to us in a straight fashion.

How did you end up with bump-spammers in your thread?



Most ICOs go into the world of ICOs with little forewarning about obscure "marketing" tactics of these "service providers".

Please believe us, we would love nothing more than to have those spam comments deleted from our ANN. We would delete them if we could. If you take a look on our social media accounts. We have recently deleted these obviously fake commentators wherever we found them. We agree, its not a good look and not fooling anyone. We should not have taken these "ICO service providers" at their word when we first started our IEO. We will be restarting our ICO and we will not make this mistake again.

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June 24, 2020, 09:28:53 PM
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Is there a possibility that your team can join a live chat with someone and provide all the proof?
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June 24, 2020, 09:35:41 PM
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Is there a possibility that your team can join a live chat with someone and provide all the proof?
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Yes, sorry. Must have skipped over that.

We can schedule that, if you wish to talk to the team, should be no problem there....Here is some proof we already posted: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173082.msg54672484#msg54672484

Please be advised that if you wish to see the full mining contracts, personal information (like living residence) of the team or any other such detailled info, we will perhaps need you to provide KYC and sign a NDA.

Please contact us at contact@icoin.ws or on the forum to make plans for a meeting.

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June 24, 2020, 10:26:21 PM
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Most ICOs go into the world of ICOs with little forewarning about obscure "marketing" tactics of these "service providers".

Please believe us, we would love nothing more than to have those spam comments deleted from our ANN. We would delete them if we could. If you take a look on our social media accounts. We have recently deleted these obviously fake commentators wherever we found them. We agree, its not a good look and not fooling anyone. We should not have taken these "ICO service providers" at their word when we first started our IEO. We will be restarting our ICO and we will not make this mistake again.

I find that hard to believe. The thread was up for a year. You could have reported that spam to moderators. In fact, someone did report those spammers - many of them are banned - but you didn't make any effort to clean up your thread.

If you're restarting it now - what happened to the original IEO and to the bounty campaign? Did you stiff bounty participants?
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June 24, 2020, 10:48:39 PM
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The responsible "professionals" who "helped" us with their "ICO services" will be held accountable by full extent of the law. We can assure you this.
That's all well and good, but good luck trying to convince anyone that someone else is to blame for what looks to be a typical case of plagiarism and identity theft, which is rampant within the ICO space. 

As far as complaining about the feedback you got, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.  The evidence was laid out in a pretty clear manner showing both plagiarism and using photos from the internet to represent team members.  And even if you gave evidence that someone else screwed you over with those "ICO services" nobody is likely to care.  You blew it.

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June 25, 2020, 08:15:17 AM
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Most ICOs go into the world of ICOs with little forewarning about obscure "marketing" tactics of these "service providers".

If you're restarting it now - what happened to the original IEO and to the bounty campaign? Did you stiff bounty participants?


The bounty rewards will be given out after the restarted ICO has concluded. The IEO on Latoken has already finished but we have not sold all the tokens yet.

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