To all DT1 members | Interesting negative feedback from JollyGood!

[AB de Royse777]

I am waiting for the support of all other DT members if there is a negative answer. I am someone who has done a lot of work in our local forum and has helped many people by producing their own content. I think I do not deserve this negative notification sent for such manipulative and invalid reasons.

It's the same feedback I see that was left for the OP.
I will say this is another invalid feedback and Jolly needs to change it. It's not good to hear about the same case again and again against a user.

He's not removed my negative feedback yet, i need a help from another DT members. It's invalid and he said that he will not remove this feedback. The person uses his trust in the trust system for bad purposes and displays racist behavior.

I have Jolly as distrust in my trust list from long ago.
Sadly this topic now moving to anther direction where I see Jolly, Vod and Techshare are busy teasing each others.

On a side note, it seems Jolly only listen to some specific users who he respects and if they PM or suggest him to remove or add then only he will react. :-D

Yes Loyce, you are well aware I respect and trust you and a couple of users in the forum. One of them sent me a PM asking me to reconsider the original feedback which I said I would.

But again tagging someone for___
1. connected a group of trolls
2. merit abuse and fake trust circle
3.  promote low-life users
___ seems not a proper use of trust rating.

I disagree with the feedback from Lauda too. I think somewhere theymos mentioned that there are no need of tagging for merit about or something.

A red tag is always valid for a proven scam but not for speculation. If was for speculation then we all would tag the questionable account that seems to be handled by game-protect recently.

[muslol67]

But again tagging someone for___
1. connected a group of trolls
2. merit abuse and fake trust circle
3.  promote low-life users
___ seems not a proper use of trust rating.

With the same explanation, negative feedback was given to me by @JollyGood. I PM him and I am waiting for his reply because he says he will make a comeback.

And my defense ;

1. never had a connection between groups, person or trust in this forum. I don't even know anyone here personally! I am discussing people in Turkish and I have trust some of them.
2. I never involved any merit abuse or trust circle. No one can judge my trust list because I am talking with these people in my native. And I understand better than anyone who don't know Turkish. Some of these people had bad communication in global boards. But it is not my problem. If someone has a bad relation with each other, please solve these problems with true person!
JollyGood sent me negative feedback, because I supported @Vispilio in his bounty management thread. Yes I did! Because I know he is capable! He can manage. If JollyGood or any other person believes he couldn't, thread in Services board go and write your opinion. Why are you judging me? I don't know JollyGood, if I knew him and trust him I could support him also. For example, I have really trust with @Hhampuz a lot. And I think he is capable and has justice sense. Don't know him well but I have some ideas about him. So what is the point? Someone may not like with Hhampuz also. Should I send him a negative feedback (which I don't have any DT power)

I will wait for @JollyGood's answer first. He answered my first PM very kind. And I think he is reasonable person. I believe that we can solve this issue easily.

[dragonvslinux]

1. never had a connection between groups, person or trust in this forum. I don't even know anyone here personally! I am discussing people in Turkish and I have trust some of them.
2. I never involved any merit abuse or trust circle. No one can judge my trust list because I am talking with these people in my native. And I understand better than anyone who don't know Turkish. Some of these people had bad communication in global boards. But it is not my problem. If someone has a bad relation with each other, please solve these problems with true person!
JollyGood sent me negative feedback, because I supported @Vispilio in his bounty management thread. Yes I did! Because I know he is capable! He can manage. If JollyGood or any other person believes he couldn't, thread in Services board go and write your opinion. Why are you judging me? I don't know JollyGood, if I knew him and trust him I could support him also. For example, I have really trust with @Hhampuz a lot. And I think he is capable and has justice sense. Don't know him well but I have some ideas about him. So what is the point? Someone may not like with Hhampuz also. Should I send him a negative feedback (which I don't have any DT power)

I will wait for @JollyGood's answer first. He answered my first PM very kind. And I think he is reasonable person. I believe that we can solve this issue easily.

Hi muslol67, glad to see you found this thread that concerns you. I also agree with your assessment of the situation, being tagged simply for endorsing someone's services. I referenced this on Page 2, 6 days ago, but unfortunately JollyGood has chosen to ignore this, instead focusing his attention on gumusi it seems.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855

References:
1. https://web.archive.org/web/20200529232531/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225711.msg53851746#msg53851746
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252627.0
3. https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225711.msg53865312#msg53865312
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252627.0

In references 1&3, there are no references to "merit abuse and fake trust circle" in the referenced posts that endorses Vispilio's campaign services.
In references 2&4, there are no mention of promoting Vispilio in the referenced post. What does Vispilio have to do with these users?

Ironically, the reference used against you is to gumusi's post (the save page link, not the archive), not your post, so not even correctly referenced either x2 (copy&paste error, 502 error) 

He is a skilled, intelligent and dedicated member of the forum. Has information about the forum and the cryptocurrency market. Also knowledgeable about mining.
I think he has the capacity to do every job. I support you too, my friend. I am sure that you will complete every job given to you with great success.

Either way, that post doesn't look tag-worthy to me either, even if the reference was corrected to point to your post.
Best of luck waiting for a response and resolution, but I wouldn't hold your breath. The more I look into these tags, the worse it gets!

[trendcoin]

The negative feedback given for no reason was repeated.

will this nonsense continue forever? Are we going to deal with people's childish whims and meaningless attitudes. damn it.

today mr. holyshit thinks me negative or neutral I wonder bla bla... because he can change his mind without stopping. maybe hourly, maybe minute, maybe instant... The momentary changing decisions of a person who cannot distinguish between black and white ... sounds good.

I worked on the Turkish local forum, carried information, shared information. I've been a part of this forum for more than 2 years. This imbalanced person, he shouldn't judge me for nonsense reasons.

@suchmoon @loycev @theymos and other dt1 members whose name I don't know, please say "stop" to this ridiculous situation!

[Vod]

This imbalanced person, he shouldn't judge me for nonsense reasons.

You judge him, he judges you - it's normal to compare other people's beliefs to your own. 

What is the non nonsense reason you call him imbalanced? 

[trendcoin]

This imbalanced person, he shouldn't judge me for nonsense reasons.

You judge him, he judges you - it's normal to compare other people's beliefs to your own. 

What is the non nonsense reason you call him imbalanced? 

read the whole paragraph please! We are talking about someone who changes their decisions day by day and who knows the truth with the help of others.

Do you think someone like that could make sense?

Come on, say "yes" ... so we have a good reason to unplug the world.


please do not throw messages that deviate from the subject!

[Vod]

This imbalanced person, he shouldn't judge me for nonsense reasons.

You judge him, he judges you - it's normal to compare other people's beliefs to your own. 

What is the non nonsense reason you call him imbalanced? 

read the whole paragraph please! We are talking about someone who changes their decisions day by day and who knows the truth with the help of others.

So if there is a valid reason you call him unbalanced, he might have a valid reason to not trust you as well.

Not everything is trust abuse. 

[JollyGood]

Thank you Vod, you are right - not everything is trust abuse. Just look at the actual feedback I left, it is very much valid and there are reference links as well. I definitely do not trust him and would never recommend others to trust him too.

This imbalanced person, he shouldn't judge me for nonsense reasons.

You judge him, he judges you - it's normal to compare other people's beliefs to your own. 

What is the non nonsense reason you call him imbalanced? 

read the whole paragraph please! We are talking about someone who changes their decisions day by day and who knows the truth with the help of others.

So if there is a valid reason you call him unbalanced, he might have a valid reason to not trust you as well.

Not everything is trust abuse. 

[trendcoin]

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So if there is a valid reason you call him unbalanced, he might have a valid reason to not trust you as well.

Not everything is trust abuse. 

jolygood's attorney, you are diverting the subject. I am aware. please do not divert this matter. go here and divert other issues. I don't want you to distort this issue any more. jollygood can defend himself. I don't think he needs a bad lawyer like you.

Thank you Vod, you are right - not everything is trust abuse. Just look at the actual feedback I left, it is very much valid and there are reference links as well. I definitely do not trust him and would never recommend others to trust him too.

jollygood, you are starting a "witch hunt" on a topic you have given up before. it's not fair what you're doing. if I am to be judged solely for my opinions, so judge me!Take another proof for you...

To all DT1 members | @suchmoon @loycev @theymos and other dt1 members

god is the creator of everything. everything serves god. god loves everything. everything loves god.

ohhh damn it! I made a circle group with god. I admit, God and I are frauds.

give us negative feedback. Does anyone know god's profile link?

please do not throw messages that deviate from the subject!

[LoyceV]

@suchmoon @loycev @theymos and other dt1 members whose name I don't know, please say "stop" to this ridiculous situation!

I am (currently) not a DT1-member, so I literally have no say in this. But I already shared my opinion, which was considered, and I won't exclude JollyGood over this.
DefaultTrust is decentralized, and I don't think there are users who's feedback I agree with 100%. So I'll have to settle for less than that. If I disagree too much, I'll adjust my Trust list, but the reality is that some disagreements will slip through. It sucks for you, but we'll never have a Trust system in which everyone agrees with everyone else.

[dragonvslinux]

This imbalanced person, he shouldn't judge me for nonsense reasons.

You judge him, he judges you - it's normal to compare other people's beliefs to your own.  

The main difference is trendcoin left neutral trust (not malicious), JollyGood appears to have retaliated with negative trust (utilizing that deep-found DT power of his).

Be the bigger man!
With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.
If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.

Sounds like a case of "boo fucking hoo", trendcoin clearly left neutral feedback to JollyGood that he didn't like and got tagged for it, again.

I guess the only honesty here is that JollyGood had already (indirectly) threatened to return the amended neutral feedback, and has now followed through with this threat:

The original feedback has been revised to neutral though it can be revised back to red if any circumstances arise.

Sounds like: If you don't drop this discussion criticizing my actions, I'll neg you. Then he negged him. The only circumstances that changed was trendcoin leaving neutral trust, and continuing to argue his point (that he is entitled to, as it's only an opinion). The reference provided for the negative feedback is the the same as before. There is no new information that has come to light regarding trendcoin and his trust-based actions, only his opinions.

This type of behavior reminds me of mosprognoz: great scam buster, but inconsistent with feedback and incapable of not abusing DT power.

[JollyGood]

Ref: https://web.archive.org/web/20200529232533/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225711.msg53855437#msg53855437

Ref: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.0

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@trendcoin

So what exactly in your opinion is the problem with the feedback I left for you?

[trendcoin]

Ref: https://web.archive.org/web/20200529232533/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225711.msg53855437#msg53855437

Ref: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.0

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@trendcoin

So what exactly in your opinion is the problem with the feedback I left for you?

not being able to find god's profile link.

jolygood I told you before. welcome and read here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.msg54738961#msg54738961

the same answers apply. however, you continue to make unfounded accusations against your abuse of power every time. please stop somewhere.

I traded with vispilio long before these events. I exchanged money. so I believe he will be a reliable organizer. "If we had experienced the same things as you, I would have thought the same things for you."

Look, there may be some misunderstandings. there may be false accusations. there may be false claims. there may be false feedbacks. review your decision. You are not my friend or enemy.

Think a little to review your decision. like 1 day. It's a good time to think 24 hours. then let's discuss this issue again. think again. Evaluate whether the claims you have are weak or strong

I haven't done anything bad...


EDİT:
I will not add a new message to prevent the subject from deviating.

vod, I didn't mean to hurt you. Since I have a bad English, I may have misrepresented myself and my words. Due to the misunderstanding between us, my rightfulness in this matter should not fall below 100%. the world is big enough for us all. thanks.

[Vod]

trendcoin, you are unfair.

I haven't done anything wrong, yet you posted feedback I was an incompetent lawyer.  I want to be remembered for taking down the biggest scammer in bitcointalk history, not for being poor at legal council  :/

I won't post anymore, but obviously you are not 100% innocent in this.

[andulolika]

How is that any different than the scam promotions of parodium even to this day, i'll keep bringing this back up till I see a logical answer, stop hidding like bitches behind few death threats.

[dragonvslinux]

Topic TL:DR Summary

I see this bad practice from users tagging or leaving feedback just because they told something good about user x who they do not like or do not trust somehow.

The OP doesn't deserve red trust. Ignore - fine. Excluding from trust lists - probably advisable. Red trust due to posting in Vispilio's thread? No. That looks like red trust for an opinion.

Red trust is not deserved in my opinion, I don't see a reason why I shouldn't trust OP based on this feedback.

I am not agree with this feedback, reference is too weak comparing what wrote on the comment.

I do not think this is a good use of the feedback system.

I don't think this is correct use of the Trust system, and I don't think this deserves a negative tag.

@Trendcoin certainly does not deserve such a negative feedback.

The original feedback has been revised to neutral though it can be revised back to red if any circumstances arise.

Glad to see some level-headed decision-making.

By the way, thanks for the reconsideration. 

Looks like this has been resolved, which is surprising to me but refreshing.

I revised the feedback simply because LoyceV posted here and because a highly respected member sent a PM asking me to reconsider

edit: I was advised to lock the subject before. I locked the subject because I thought it was a requirement. Now I learned that there is no such obligation.

Unfortunately, I have the same problem as well, although I did not deserve the mentioned person applied me a red trust feedback.

I will say this is another invalid feedback and Jolly needs to change it. It's not good to hear about the same case again and again against a user.

There were 3 negative feedbacks with same reference and same reason (trendcoin, bitcointurk, muslol67). One of them deleted and others are still negative.

With the same explanation, negative feedback was given to me by @JollyGood.

Thank you for the comments, you are right. I think when it comes down to leaving any comments related to any group associated with these attention-seeking members I will not be leaving generic feedback in future. I will be far more specific.

 

[JollyGood]

It is clear trendcoin is attention-seeking on par with gumusi and some others that have been mentioned before.

Me too, I will probably not be posting here further as there is no need to engage with certain individuals and have decided to simply keep them and those that are equally duplicitous users on my IGNORE and distrust list.

trendcoin, you are unfair.

I haven't done anything wrong, yet you posted feedback I was an incompetent lawyer.  I want to be remembered for taking down the biggest scammer in bitcointalk history, not for being poor at legal council  :/

I won't post anymore, but obviously you are not 100% innocent in this.

[trendcoin]

It is clear trendcoin is attention-seeking on par with gumusi and some others that have been mentioned before.

Me too, I will probably not be posting here further as there is no need to engage with certain individuals and have decided to simply keep them and those that are equally duplicitous users on my IGNORE and distrust list.

trendcoin, you are unfair.

I haven't done anything wrong, yet you posted feedback I was an incompetent lawyer.  I want to be remembered for taking down the biggest scammer in bitcointalk history, not for being poor at legal council  :/

I won't post anymore, but obviously you are not 100% innocent in this.

that's all the claim! thinking of things like that(!)

I'm tired of writing the same things. everyone who came here gave a common opinion on the subject. (injustice of negative feedback)

you have always taken the discussion off topic. you did not provide any valid justification. You talked amongst yourself with nonsense claims. You have damaged my reputation with an unfair negative feedback. there is a 2nd class puppet show collaboration for an unfair court and an unfair result.

@theymos thank you.

[JollyGood]

jolygood's attorney, you are diverting the subject. I am aware. please do not divert this matter. go here and divert other issues. I don't want you to distort this issue any more. jollygood can defend himself. I don't think he needs a bad lawyer like you.

Vod is not my advocate or attorney

jollygood, you are starting a "witch hunt" on a topic you have given up before. it's not fair what you're doing. if I am to be judged solely for my opinions, so judge me!Take another proof for you...

I am sorry you feel I am being unfair, I believe I am being very fair.

I feel sorry any and all victims of all scams so when you promote the services a forum member that himself has stated he knowingly wanted to promote a project he knew was a scam via a signature campaign and that any victims of that scam were to blame for being stupid enough to get scammed - then it means you cannot be trusted and deserve negative trust just as the scammer (Vispilio) deserved.

Suppose he scams innocent people by claiming to offer them a campaign or management service, would you say that he would be guilty of scamming them or would you say victims are to blame for being stupid enough to have believed him and losing their crypto?

I am out of this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.msg54799807#msg54799807

[andulolika]

Only thing i ever saw negative about vispillio is that he IN PAST promoted yobit, and so did hundreds of other users and no one said anything.

Obviously changing my trust rating things as everyone does is harming jolly and his group, from my perspective not one of them has a negative missing for whichever reason.

He and they probably desperated by now, just stay strong

I hate scammers and it's how i got my negative rating.

A year ago I was told i should make a new account, I knew i shouldn't. I had declared my alt account as alt and it was banned, could of keept it a secret, krogoth can have two accounts and no one says anything, other known members have two accounts, one for PC and other for phone.

Fairness is just a word for these scumbags.

You aren't any good jolly, neither is your lil group, I genuinely believe you create scams to unveil them and be the good guy.
And destroy reputation of whatever knows too much or you feel as threat.

It worked for enough years its time you go fuck yourself, bitcoin is all about globalization not stupid natzi groups or whatever. Can't wait to have more adoption and your stupid system to go down because the power is in the numbers. Perhaps then a clear and strong position will be taken against scammers by the staff, not having staff members like hilariousandco supporting scammers, even if just with a rating, then having cuntlauda come and tell him all will be fine, just people losing hundreds of bitcoins.
Even to this day, years after parodium is still promoting shady coins.

Yes i called you natzi I can call people fake things too.

Isn't it funny how lauda isn't as active, tman disappeared yet new accounts popping with new scams and plenty of time to do more.

Second time you out of this thread, and second time I read Vispillio scammed with his campaings, I see nothing in his ratings. Even BAC supporting you, all he could bring up was that he once promoted yobit, BAC isn't as stupid as you all to make false claims. And yeah I hate yobit myself enough.

Just in case everyone forgot.

All coins have two sides.