[SCAM]LEDU CAMPAIGN

[cryptoaddictchie]

What Happened
Ive just saw this post from Murat bounty thread of Ledu. With title changed to LEDU STRAIGHT UP SCAM, DID NOT PAY FOR BOUNTY MANAGEMENT So I guess it means the team double cross the payment for the campaign. Sorry for those who joined the campaign but maybe Murat can still talk out with the team since we all knew that Ledu is a legit altcoin campaign.

Website: https://ledu.education-ecosystem.com/

Bounty Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253674.0

archived: https://archive.st/archive/2020/7/bitcointalk.org/i242/bitcointalk.org/index.html

Here is Murat message:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253674.msg54897453#msg54897453

Now I do hope there would be information or good update by Murat for the participants to joins but if not then sorry they really double cross the participants and tricked.

Here is additional info:

Here is what happened with LEDU.

They hired me to run their signature ad campaign.

Paid me for first month. No issues

They (Ledu team) Agreed to pay for the 2nd month & asked me to start asap.

I started the campaign & sent the payment address for 2nd month.

they sent the tokens for participants, when i asked about my payment. they stared giving excuse (Checking with team etc)

The CEO SAID they don't give a shit on Bitcointalk flags or Bitcointalk.

I paid the participants the tokens for 2nd month as they send the payment for participants & didn't get the my payment for 2nd month. which is 1k USD. The CEO sent some threating PM a few months ago & i blocked him. Now I really don't give a fuck about the payment now & the flag will stay after all of this.

Update - Everyone Received their token (Deducted transaction fees)

Tx- https://etherscan.io/address/0x129e28db2bc5eae7454df8ba8e194929c52bbd72#tokentxns

Best Regards
Murat

Thanks murat for the information.

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[Raflesia]

But will Murat send tokens to participants before August 12, meaning the participants will be paid in full until now?
Why is the LEDU team doing this when this was a legitimate project when the bounty was launched and now they are breaking or leaving SCAM.

But I hope that before the specified date the distribution of this problem is quickly resolved and the participants receive their tokens properly.

[Rikafip]

But will Murat send tokens to participants before August 12, meaning the participants will be paid in full until now?

Based on his last message on the bounty thread he made, seems like he will distribute bounty tokens. Might be an additional expenditure for the him if those tokens are erc20, considering the current transaction prices.

LEDU TEAM IS STRAIGHT UP SCAM, DID NOT PAID US FOR BOUNTY MANAGEMENT. We have the token for bounty participants & We will send the tokens soon Before AUGUST 12. Please REMOVE YOUR SIGNATURE ASAP

Why is the LEDU team doing this when this was a legitimate project when the bounty was launched and now they are breaking or leaving SCAM.

That is a good question but only Murat can probably give us an answer to that. Maybe they weren't satisfied with the results, maybe they planned that from the beginning. Who knows...

What surprises me though is that such an experienced bounty manager accepted campaign without getting money up front, or at least escrowed it.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Maybe they weren't satisfied with the results, maybe they planned that from the beginning. Who knows...

Its not a good stance if thats the case. The one will suffer with that consequence is no other than Murat, he will paid the participants for their participation and the fees will be at his expenditures surely. Knowing the gas fee is high now for eth? He could actually post something against this project.

What surprises me though is that such an experienced bounty manager accepted campaign without getting money up front, or at least escrowed it.

Curious also that his payment werent paid, but the team only give the payment for participants. Whats that? A test if he pass management, now people know how they deal with negotiation.

[Raflesia]

Means that only the empty hand that can be obtained by Murat if the team only pays for the participants while he with the initial approval only at the end is not appropriate from the team so this should be paid early normally for a bounty manager like that and why in the end getting disagreed

Of course Murat will bear the higher gas costs because the guarantee was not given by the team.

[Rikafip]

Curious also that his payment werent paid, but the team only give the payment for participants. Whats that? A test if he pass management, now people know how they deal with negotiation.

Most likely that was part of the deal, for bounty manager to distribute the bounty tokens. It is a lot of responsibility, and in this case it might even be extra expense for bounty manager, since he wasn't paid for the job done.

Anyway, tough situation, as bounty hunters will expect their tokens and will cry and moan if they don't get them. Most of the times they don't even care whether project is legit or not, as long as they get the tokens.

[Murat]

What happened is they paid me full for First month.

For 2nd month they sent only bounty pariticipants payment. when i asked about my payment they keep giving different excuses & they are not willing to pay me. So I  closed the campaign (Not really interested to give them free Managment).

Pariticipant will be paid in full (Gas price from my own pocket).

EDIT - Please support the flag - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2184

[btc_angela]

Kudos to Murat for taking actions here and even paying it out of his pocket. But clever trick for these scammers, this time, paying only for a month and then after that making lots of excuses. At least though bounty participants got their payment here, but if these is a scam then I guess the tokens will not worth anything and that is the risk of being a bounty hunter.

Edit: supported the flag as well.

[cryptoaddictchie]

For 2nd month they sent only bounty pariticipants payment. when i asked about my payment they keep giving different excuses & they are not willing to pay me.
Pariticipant will be paid in full (Gas price from my own pocket).

Thats awful dude. Sorry for your loss. If its okay can you share here some evidence or any form of conversation that they really refusing to pay you for the works you did. This will be a strong cause for everyone to tag the project even more and warn that the team dont pay such due.

Also can I quote this message of you and add on the OP? for additional details on this case against Ledu.

^{Supporting the flag}

[acroman08]

What happened is they paid me full for First month.

For 2nd month they sent only bounty pariticipants payment. when i asked about my payment they keep giving different excuses & they are not willing to pay me. So I  closed the campaign (Not really interested to give them free Managment).

Pariticipant will be paid in full (Gas price from my own pocket).

EDIT - Please support the flag - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2184

damn, that was unexpected, seeing that they paid you for the first month. I wonder why they suddenly decided to get cheap and stop paying you that could badly affect their "project"

flag supported

[Aqualung89]

I support it, I can say that it was sad to make such a situation. At least when we get our shares for us, we will more or less guess how the campaign will end.

[Little Mouse]

What surprises me though is that such an experienced bounty manager accepted campaign without getting money up front, or at least escrowed it.

This is not much of surprise because most of the times, if a project is established or somewhat known which looks a serious project, any campaign manager would trust their words I think. Murat is a long experienced manager here but still there are people whom anyone can trust easily what Murat did trusting Ledu project. And there are some campaign managers who never learn, although I do not think Murat is such manager.

[coin-investor]

damn, that was unexpected, seeing that they paid you for the first month. I wonder why they suddenly decided to get cheap and stop paying you that could badly affect their "project"

flag supported

Supported the flag Murat doesn't deserve this kind of treatment he is a good and considerate manager I hope it will never happen to independent managers like Murat, we should all work together bounty managers and hunters to clean the community of scammers and dubious projects.

[seven.71]

For 2nd month they sent only bounty pariticipants payment. when i asked about my payment they keep giving different excuses & they are not willing to pay me.
Pariticipant will be paid in full (Gas price from my own pocket).

Thats awful dude. Sorry for your loss. If its okay can you share here some evidence or any form of conversation that they really refusing to pay you for the works you did. This will be a strong cause for everyone to tag the project even more and warn that the team dont pay such due.

Also can I quote this message of you and add on the OP? for additional details on this case against Ledu.

^{Supporting the flag}

I agree to provide evidence of some of their conversations or proof of transactions that you say that you pay with a fee from your own pocket money, events like this often occur if the results they want are bad and pay them as they wish

[aioc]

Title should be changed to scam instead of possible scam because he scam manager Murat he worked with the project to maximize the promotion so it can attract investors then left him without acknowledging his effort, investors should be aware of this kind of action.

[sujonali1819]

A project which excuses to pay the campaign manager can not be a good project (it's not a big amount for project IMO). Actually, sometimes some managers agree to keep in risk his own management cost but always keep secure the bounty participant's payment. And when a project the bounty token upfront, in this case, it's it's common that manager thinks maybe they will no do any shady behavior to pay the management cost.

BTW I will support the flag and ask the bounty participants to remove the signature as soon as possible.

[cryptoaddictchie]

I agree to provide evidence of some of their conversations or

Let's just wait. Im sure Murat will clear things off and do this when its time. I bet he still with some discussion on the team to fix or come up with arrangement.

Title should be changed to scam instead of possible scam because he scam manager Murat he worked with the project to maximize the promotion so it can attract investors then left him without acknowledging his effort, investors should be aware of this kind of action.

Ive already explained in the context. I put possibly cause as Ive talked with Murat he still on negotiation with the team and still trying to settle the score on his payment. What if they paid him? Should I put scam all the way? Anyway I will update it once Murat told me or inform here that there is no chance. Dont worry, I will make sure everyone aware of this case.

[Krislaw]

This isn't the first time I'll see this happen to a project bounty manager. They always think they are smart. Now the bounty manager has to pay for gas fee for a token that may worth nothing.
A project that violates agreement shouldn't be trusted. They deserve the negative tagging.

[meanwords]

It is most likely that they aren't going to do anything about the project since looking at the above scenario, they'll scam their investors too. Murat did a good job with managing and still sending the tokens but I doubt those tokens will have value after this incident.

Supported the flag.

[Mpamaegbu]

What surprises me though is that such an experienced bounty manager accepted campaign without getting money up front, or at least escrowed it.

That surprised me too that he didn't get paid upfront. Well, may be his payment was to be in two parts — Bitcoin and the project token, and they did pay him only the project token leaving out that of Bitcoin. But if at all they didn't pay him any, that will be poor negotiation on Murat's part. However, the good thing about the whole situation is the escrow part and this is why every BM should have projects' tokens escrowed to them as part of the negotiations. Good one, Murat. All isn't lost at all.

[btc_angela]

What surprises me though is that such an experienced bounty manager accepted campaign without getting money up front, or at least escrowed it.

That surprised me too that he didn't get paid upfront. Well, may be his payment was to be in two parts — Bitcoin and the project token, and they did pay him only the project token leaving out that of Bitcoin. But if at all they didn't pay him any, that will be poor negotiation on Murat's part. However, the good thing about the whole situation is the escrow part and this is why every BM should have projects' tokens escrowed to them as part of the negotiations. Good one, Murat. All isn't lost at all.

It could be that case, but as you have said Murat is an experience bounty manager so he knows what he is doing. And the moment that he was screwed by the campaign, then he called them scammers and the community supported him. So I'm sure that LEDU tokens will slowly break into pieces and won't be a success because of this accusations. So in the end, it was not Murat lost, but the project itself.

[Murat]

Here is what happened with LEDU.

They hired me to run their signature ad campaign.

Paid me for first month. No issues

They (Ledu team) Agreed to pay for the 2nd month & asked me to start asap.

I started the campaign & sent the payment address for 2nd month.

they sent the tokens for participants, when i asked about my payment. they stared giving excuse (Checking with team etc)

The CEO SAID they don't give a shit on Bitcointalk flags or Bitcointalk.

I paid the participants the tokens for 2nd month as they send the payment for participants & didn't get the my payment for 2nd month. which is 1k USD. The CEO sent some threating PM a few months ago & i blocked him. Now I really don't give a fuck about the payment now & the flag will stay after all of this.

Update - Everyone Received their token (Deducted transaction fees)

Tx- https://etherscan.io/address/0x129e28db2bc5eae7454df8ba8e194929c52bbd72#tokentxns

Best Regards
Murat

[willsey89]

Why do projects order bounty campaigns from third parties in 2020?  In the majority of cases, it ends badly for both of the parties.

[Odalv]

Why do projects order bounty campaigns from third parties in 2020?  In the majority of cases, it ends badly for both of the parties.

Probably the project lacks knowledge to hold a bounty campaign. 

[willsey89]

Do you really need so much knowledge to do that? It’s easy, the project needs just one manager for that, and you can order bounty signatures from a freelancer.   

[Odalv]

Do you really need so much knowledge to do that? It’s easy, the project needs just one manager for that, and you can order bounty signatures from a freelancer.   

Then why would they hire a manager for temporary work if a freelancer can do all of the job?
Please reply with quotes.

[willsey89]

Do you really need so much knowledge to do that? It’s easy, the project needs just one manager for that, and you can order bounty signatures from a freelancer.   

Then why would they hire a manager for temporary work if a freelancer can do all of the job?
Please reply with quotes.

It’s unlikely that an employee will go public with disagreements.   

[Odalv]

Do you really need so much knowledge to do that? It’s easy, the project needs just one manager for that, and you can order bounty signatures from a freelancer.   

Then why would they hire a manager for temporary work if a freelancer can do all of the job?
Please reply with quotes.

It’s unlikely that an employee will go public with disagreements.   

I worked on many bounty campaigns for projects and didn’t have any problems with most of them!

[willsey89]

I worked on many bounty campaigns for projects and didn’t have any problems with most of them!

As we can see from this topic, problems can take their toll both on a freelancer and a project. The point isn’t that you didn’t have problems with most of the projects you worked with, the point is that one disagreement can trigger so many consequences.

[Odalv]

I worked on many bounty campaigns for projects and didn’t have any problems with most of them!

As we can see from this topic, problems can take their toll both on a freelancer and a project. The point isn’t that you didn’t have problems with most of the projects you worked with, the point is that one disagreement can trigger so many consequences.

There won’t be any disagreements if everyone fulfills their obligations!

[willsey89]

I worked on many bounty campaigns for projects and didn’t have any problems with most of them!

As we can see from this topic, problems can take their toll both on a freelancer and a project. The point isn’t that you didn’t have problems with most of the projects you worked with, the point is that one disagreement can trigger so many consequences.

There won’t be any disagreements if everyone fulfills their obligations!

It’s not clear who is to blame in this case. Freelancers often act in bad faith and use fake accounts to get tokens. 

[Rikafip]

Why do projects order bounty campaigns from third parties in 2020?  In the majority of cases, it ends badly for both of the parties.

Beside the fact that projects hire bounty manager simply because they have more experience, bounty managers are also hired in order to attract more bounty hunters. The more reputable manager is, more bounty hunters will join.

From what I noticed, bounty managers often have their own telegram groups too with thousands of bounty hunters that basically join every single bounty campaign that manager hosts. Number of bounty hunters that they can attract is probably one of the arguments they use when negotiating with the poential client.

[willsey89]

thousands of bounty hunters that basically join every single bounty campaign that manager hosts. Number of bounty hunters that they can attract is probably one of the arguments they use when negotiating with the poential client.

Thousand hunters is good but a potential client can't check it's fake or real users.

[Odalv]

I worked on many bounty campaigns for projects and didn’t have any problems with most of them!

As we can see from this topic, problems can take their toll both on a freelancer and a project. The point isn’t that you didn’t have problems with most of the projects you worked with, the point is that one disagreement can trigger so many consequences.

There won’t be any disagreements if everyone fulfills their obligations!

It’s not clear who is to blame in this case. Freelancers often act in bad faith and use fake accounts to get tokens. 

But Murat accuses the project of not fulfilling its obligations.   

[willsey89]

But Murat accuses the project of not fulfilling its obligations.   

Now, we can’t find out who’s to blame because a lot of users here support Murat, probably they are his friends or followers.     

[Odalv]

But Murat accuses the project of not fulfilling its obligations.   

Now, we can’t find out who’s to blame because a lot of users here support Murat, probably they are his friends or followers.     

Why do you think they are his friends?   

[willsey89]

But Murat accuses the project of not fulfilling its obligations.   

Now, we can’t find out who’s to blame because a lot of users here support Murat, probably they are his friends or followers.     

Why do you think they are his friends?   

Because they post messages together in several topics. Also, the project claims that Murat had already received negative reviews before they started cooperating.     

[oliverlott]

Then why did they hire a freelancer who has negative reviews? 

[willsey89]

Then why did they hire a freelancer who has negative reviews? 

Maybe they found it out after they started working with him. 

[Odalv]

Freelancers often have nothing to do with bounty hunters and don’t know that they practise deception. Don’t baselessly accuse a bounty manager.

[willsey89]

Freelancers often have nothing to do with bounty hunters and don’t know that they practise deception. Don’t baselessly accuse a bounty manager.

I actually don’t do that, I just express my opinion on the situation.

[Odalv]

Freelancers often have nothing to do with bounty hunters and don’t know that they practise deception. Don’t baselessly accuse a bounty manager.

I actually don’t do that, I just express my opinion on the situation.

I believe that the projects need the help of bounty managers, and bounty managers shouldn’t be responsible for bounty hunters even if the latter violate some rules.   

[willsey89]

Freelancers often have nothing to do with bounty hunters and don’t know that they practise deception. Don’t baselessly accuse a bounty manager.

I actually don’t do that, I just express my opinion on the situation.

I believe that the projects need the help of bounty managers, and bounty managers shouldn’t be responsible for bounty hunters even if the latter violate some rules.   

I don’t agree, I believe the project should deal with it on its own.   

[Odalv]

Freelancers often have nothing to do with bounty hunters and don’t know that they practise deception. Don’t baselessly accuse a bounty manager.

I actually don’t do that, I just express my opinion on the situation.

I believe that the projects need the help of bounty managers, and bounty managers shouldn’t be responsible for bounty hunters even if the latter violate some rules.   

I don’t agree, I believe the project should deal with it on its own.   

Maybe you’re right, but few projects have profound knowledge about how bounty programs work. 

[willsey89]

Freelancers often have nothing to do with bounty hunters and don’t know that they practise deception. Don’t baselessly accuse a bounty manager.

I actually don’t do that, I just express my opinion on the situation.

I believe that the projects need the help of bounty managers, and bounty managers shouldn’t be responsible for bounty hunters even if the latter violate some rules.   

I don’t agree, I believe the project should deal with it on its own.   

Maybe you’re right, but few projects have profound knowledge about how bounty programs work. 

I think one can learn about that quickly because a lot of bounty programs have been held over the last years.   

[Odalv]

Freelancers often have nothing to do with bounty hunters and don’t know that they practise deception. Don’t baselessly accuse a bounty manager.

I actually don’t do that, I just express my opinion on the situation.

I believe that the projects need the help of bounty managers, and bounty managers shouldn’t be responsible for bounty hunters even if the latter violate some rules.   

I don’t agree, I believe the project should deal with it on its own.   

Maybe you’re right, but few projects have profound knowledge about how bounty programs work. 

I think one can learn about that quickly because a lot of bounty programs have been held over the last years.   

It may take you a lot of time to gain profound knowledge about how to hold a bounty program, and that can be bad for a project

[willsey89]

It may take you a lot of time to gain profound knowledge about how to hold a bounty program, and that can be bad for a project

However it’s better than to trust a stranger and then be attacked by the alts    

[Odalv]

It may take you a lot of time to gain profound knowledge about how to hold a bounty program, and that can be bad for a project

However it’s better than to trust a stranger and then be attacked by the alts    

Probably it’s better to be attacked by the alts than to lose the most valuable resource in life – time.   

[willsey89]

It may take you a lot of time to gain profound knowledge about how to hold a bounty program, and that can be bad for a project

However it’s better than to trust a stranger and then be attacked by the alts    

Probably it’s better to be attacked by the alts than to lose the most valuable resource in life – time.   

I would agree with you if you didn’t defend the alts that belong either to bounty hunters or bounty managers so vigorously   

[Odalv]

It may take you a lot of time to gain profound knowledge about how to hold a bounty program, and that can be bad for a project

However it’s better than to trust a stranger and then be attacked by the alts    

Probably it’s better to be attacked by the alts than to lose the most valuable resource in life – time.   

I would agree with you if you didn’t defend the alts that belong either to bounty hunters or bounty managers so vigorously   

I don’t defend alts, I just want to say that it’s not as bad as holding a bounty program unskillfully.   

[willsey89]

I don’t defend alts, I just want to say that it’s not as bad as holding a bounty program unskillfully.   

It feels like you do defend them. Alts are the evil, Bitcointalk forum doesn’t need them.   

[Odalv]

I don’t defend alts, I just want to say that it’s not as bad as holding a bounty program unskillfully.   

It feels like you do defend them. Alts are the evil, Bitcointalk forum doesn’t need them.   

You haven’t been here on the forum long enough to judge what is good and what is not.   

[willsey89]

You haven’t been here on the forum long enough to judge what is good and what is not.   

You judge me by the number of messages? It’s no right.

[Odalv]

You haven’t been here on the forum long enough to judge what is good and what is not.   

You judge me by the number of messages? It’s no right.

I don’t get it why you’re so confident. It feels like you have just joined the forum and already try to decide what the forum needs and what it doesn’t need.   

[In the silence]

I have the same experience with a project, and now probably abandoned by the team.

Murat is a trusted person and is not his fault the outcome. Very professional to sent the tokens using his own gas in his pocket.

[willsey89]

You haven’t been here on the forum long enough to judge what is good and what is not.   

You judge me by the number of messages? It’s no right.

I don’t get it why you’re so confident. It feels like you have just joined the forum and already try to decide what the forum needs and what it doesn’t need.   

Don’t judge by the number of messages. I read the forum for a long time, read may sections.   

[Odalv]

You haven’t been here on the forum long enough to judge what is good and what is not.   

You judge me by the number of messages? It’s no right.

I don’t get it why you’re so confident. It feels like you have just joined the forum and already try to decide what the forum needs and what it doesn’t need.   

Don’t judge by the number of messages. I read the forum for a long time, read may sections.   

Why didn’t you post messages?

[willsey89]

Why didn’t you post messages?

Because I didn’t want to. I’m just surprised to see that someone still uses the services of bounty managers after the 2017-2018 wave of scams.   

[Odalv]

Why didn’t you post messages?

Because I didn’t want to. I’m just surprised to see that someone still uses the services of bounty managers after the 2017-2018 wave of scams.   

Bounty managers have nothing to do with the 2018 wave of scam, they are just people who work with their brains without deceiving anyone.

[willsey89]

Why didn’t you post messages?

Because I didn’t want to. I’m just surprised to see that someone still uses the services of bounty managers after the 2017-2018 wave of scams.   

Bounty managers have nothing to do with the 2018 wave of scam, they are just people who work with their brains without deceiving anyone.

The projects don’t think so.

[Odalv]

Why didn’t you post messages?

Because I didn’t want to. I’m just surprised to see that someone still uses the services of bounty managers after the 2017-2018 wave of scams.   

Bounty managers have nothing to do with the 2018 wave of scam, they are just people who work with their brains without deceiving anyone.

The projects don’t think so.

Not all of them. Most of the projects held bounty campaigns without any problems

[willsey89]

Why didn’t you post messages?

Because I didn’t want to. I’m just surprised to see that someone still uses the services of bounty managers after the 2017-2018 wave of scams.   

Bounty managers have nothing to do with the 2018 wave of scam, they are just people who work with their brains without deceiving anyone.

The projects don’t think so.

Not all of them. Most of the projects held bounty campaigns without any problems

Anyway, I think you defend those who have alts on the forum. Once again, there shouldn’t be any Alts on bitcointalk.