Working online for bitcoin - would you give this up?

[Vod]

Let's say I can offer you a minimum of $1USD an hour (in crypto) just for being online and available.

Examples would include:
- voting on various items
- updating/ verifying information
- real time ($$) vs time period ($)
- gaming tournaments

My new project is committed to building infrastructure with security, anonymity and automation at it's core.  You only need to be a club member and a real person to participate, and I do not care where you are from, how old you are or what your nature/nurture system is (gender/religion/etc)

I would have a third party verify the same person is always doing the work, using biometric liveness.    By using Amazon lifecycle rules, you can publicly verify that any data is destroyed after being processed.   

So as long as I got a heartbeat from this service that your account number is available, you would start earning crypto and I would have no idea who you are - just that you are unique.  You will gain experience points in individual areas, and could be paid more during "surge events" ($$$) where a company needs data processed in bulk and speed.

I will have this service create a GUI that allows you to make yourself available/unavailable easily, with obvious indication - but your camera would need to be uncovered when you are available.

Would you give up this private info temporarily to an anonymous/automated service in exchange to working at home when you want?  If no, what are your concerns?

Comments/questions welcome. 

[target]

Hire me Vod. I wouldn't mind $1 an hour as long as I can work along while staying also in bitcointalk and can browse somewhere else too. Is it going to be in BTC?

I have no idea about the biometric liveness though  

Also keep in mind that Vod has a history of posting personal information of users on this forum.

KYC would be a problem indeed. I just read the description thoroughly.
A $1 may not be huge for some but its worth good for the country where I am. People needs job in times like this.

[joniboini]

I'd be interested if not for the access for my camera, or if that's required I won't do that for $1/hour. My current freelance project does not need any personal data except e-mail and stuff like that but I got around $5/hour, so that rate is definitely not interesting. I understand the necessity to make sure it's not a bot though.

What if you insert a captcha every once in a while or after each task is done? Don't know how feasible it is though.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

The "access to your camera" is a big concern obviously, and as we all know, webcam hijacking is another mode of attack, i.e. spying. What if this GUI itself gets hack?

[Vod]

KYC would be a problem indeed. I just read the description thoroughly.
A $1 may not be huge for some but its worth good for the country where I am. People needs job in times like this.

There will be no KYC.  There is a third party that simply validate you are in front of your computer.  I would have no access to anything, other than the code they give you that shows you are available.   You attach that code to your Club profile, to start receiving actual BTC. 

You need to get away from the idea of trust that never works with humans.  Even the most honest of people can be forced (violence, blackmail, bribery etc) to reveal information. Cryptography allows information to be automatically accessed and destroyed in a controlled, provable way.   Even if someone sent me 10 bitcoin, I could not access information other than this number did work at this time. 

$1/hour is the minimum this service will pay.  I'm looking at spreading the wealth around - I'm hoping thousands of people will consider $1/hour in crypto to be worth answering questions.

Those who are old enough may remember All Advantage, which paid $1.25US/hour, plus referral bonuses.  Great idea, but it relied on advertising income.  My GUI is just a browser extension with a noticeable indication you are available.   Jobs could flash, open a new tab, etc.  The task would have a scenario and some resolutions for example.  The majority wins and in some cases winning/losing increases certain attributes.  For example, one incorrect answer is worth less than one correct answer.

Hire me Vod.

I'll send you a member sponsorship when I launch. 

The "access to your camera" is a big concern obviously, and as we all know, webcam hijacking is another mode of attack, i.e. spying. What if this GUI itself gets hack?

I agree with you, which is why I will recommend you cover your camera except for when you are at your computer actively available for work.   I will not be doing any programming myself, but the extension I release will access the camera only through the OS and not directly.   

What if you insert a captcha every once in a while or after each task is done? Don't know how feasible it is though.

Feasible, but it just proves you are not a bot.  I don't care about your IP, email, etc - so a bad actor could make hundreds of accounts and eventually control the voting automation.

There are facial captchas, but again you'd be uncovering your camera after every task.   I don't see any other way of proving you are unique without requiring any PII.

[target]

Hire me Vod.

I'll send you a member sponsorship when I launch. 

Great. I can work that out. I'll wait for the launch.  I haven't been on the internet during the time when AllAdvantage reign but I have some experience with Paid to Surf jobs.  

There are facial captchas, but again you'd be uncovering your camera after every task.   I don't see any other way of proving you are unique without requiring any PII.

A captcha every once in awhile sound a little better to me than having a camera that will scan our faces every task. If you are allowing bad actors to have hundreds of accounts, how are the accounts and votes going to be unique?

[Harlot]

Depends on how you define "available" for being online. If being available means to you being focused solely on doing the tasks given to the users I believe 1$ won't cut it for example you will just be earning 8$ for 8 hours worth of work and that's only 240$ for a month. But if "available" means to you is it doesn't intrude on other tasks such as their main work I think people will find it attractive. It will be a bonus if they can choose what type of work they want to handle as it will be much easier for them to manage it as a side income.

[LeGaulois]

Considering the number of people using Amazon Mechanical Turk and the number of people trying to apply to join the platform I would say the rate won't be a problem.

I used myself platforms similar to what you're thinking and the KYC was mandatory (although a light verification), yet it didn't stop people to work on it (Sometimes the webcam was used to study eyes movements or facial expressions) and I'm talking about over 100k persons.

So don't worry about that, I can guarantee you won't have a problem finding people to complete the jobs.

#Moneymatters

[Vod]

Depends on how you define "available" for being online.

Great question!  "Available" just means you are in front of the computer available to do quick tasks that may pop up.  You can do anything you normally do while being available.

So don't worry about that, I can guarantee you won't have a problem finding people to complete the jobs.

Thanks for that insight - I'll take your guarantee.   What compensation do I Get if you are wrong?   

[rhomelmabini]

Any estimates how many works to be done within an hour? Why does camera still needed when you are online and doing some stuff, does it falls on the biometric liveness kind of thing? Was it only fix $1/hour or it will still varies depending on the work you're working?

[Harlot]

Depends on how you define "available" for being online.

Great question!  "Available" just means you are in front of the computer available to do quick tasks that may pop up.  You can do anything you normally do while being available.

If that is the case then I think a lot of people will see it attractive as long as it doesn't disturb on what they are doing. Also are these task as soon as it pops out in their computer would the users have some kind of deadline/allotted time for them to finish it before the task disappears and becomes invalid in your part? I see that this is also an important part for people who can't do the task right away.

[Vod]

Also are these task as soon as it pops out in their computer would the users have some kind of deadline/allotted time for them to finish it before the task disappears and becomes invalid in your part? I see that this is also an important part for people who can't do the task right away.

Most would be "micro tasks" that require a response within 15 seconds or so, or it moves to the next person.  I would need an example of someone who would be "Available" but could not do a task right away.

[Vod]

No, i would find better paying jobs which have better privacy.

Can I ask what privacy is lacking?  My method gives up no information all your utilities don't know - you are at home using power, water, etc.  They can deduce how often you shower, what temp you like your home at, etc.  The only privacy you give up is that you are available to work, and that isn't even stored - only the tasks you do.

I'm not interested with the job, but are there any rough estimation how many hours you could work (on average) in a day?

Not yet - I'm still working out the numbers.  My goal is to increase crypto usage, so the number of services I can offer will determine how many hours per day a person can work.

[LoyceV]

I will have this service create a GUI that allows you to make yourself available/unavailable easily, with obvious indication - but your camera would need to be uncovered when you are available.

This is a deal breaker for me.

There will be no KYC.  There is a third party that simply validate you are in front of your computer.  I would have no access to anything, other than the code they give you that shows you are available.

I'd have a very hard time trusting the third party will keep the video absolutely private, and for $1 per hour I certainly won't risk it.

My goal is to increase crypto usage, so the number of services I can offer will determine how many hours per day a person can work.

Can you give an example of a task that would be worth paying $1 for someone sitting at his computer for an hour?

But many people from 3rd world find $1/hour is good offer.

Top 20 countries with the lowest wages shows several countries in which $1/hour is above average. They won't turn a profit from advertising (they can't afford to buy most products), so I'm curious what kind of tasks pay for this. If you're paying $1/hour, you'll potentially have millions of employees.

[Vod]

Top 20 countries with the lowest wages shows several countries in which $1/hour is above average. They won't turn a profit from advertising (they can't afford to buy most products)

Right now it looks to cost about $0.09 (0.000 007 5 Bitcoin) to have something manually verified.  I'm developing partnerships to have a certain number of tasks coming in per hour - I'm not going to be relying on advertising income.

If you're paying $1/hour, you'll potentially have millions of employees.

Club membership is for crypto enthusiasts.   There are a number of requirements, and the invitations are private to start.   I want to attract people that use crypto and are willing to spend it on other online services.  I don't want to attract people that don't care about crypto and just want to make money.  

I'd have a very hard time trusting the third party will keep the video absolutely private, and for $1 per hour I certainly won't risk it.

I'd be interested in figuring out a way they could not access the videos - seeing as there is no human interaction needed. 

[hatshepsut93]

Well, I think most people who visit this board are some sort of skilled workers who won't lift their finger for $1/hour, myself included. This shouldn't discourage you, because there's a lot of people out there who do grueling data entry or captcha jobs for even smaller payments. If you'll find a way to reach out this audience, you won't have any problem with getting users.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

The "access to your camera" is a big concern obviously, and as we all know, webcam hijacking is another mode of attack, i.e. spying. What if this GUI itself gets hack?

I agree with you, which is why I will recommend you cover your camera except for when you are at your computer actively available for work.   I will not be doing any programming myself, but the extension I release will access the camera only through the OS and not directly.   

I remember joining such groups years ago, but it didn't require any facial recognition, so I guess it really evolved. Anyhow, how about another options similar to odesk or what we now today as upwork? Wherein your screen are being recorded doing the job? I guess it is much worst as far as security is. I will subscribe to this thread and wait for any release or update.

[ABCbits]

No, i would find better paying jobs which have better privacy.

Can I ask what privacy is lacking?  My method gives up no information all your utilities don't know - you are at home using power, water, etc.  They can deduce how often you shower, what temp you like your home at, etc.  The only privacy you give up is that you are available to work, and that isn't even stored - only the tasks you do.

Just like everyone, the usage of camera. I know we don't have much privacy these days, but i won't make it any worse.

If you're paying $1/hour, you'll potentially have millions of employees.

Club membership is for crypto enthusiasts.   There are a number of requirements, and the invitations are private to start.   I want to attract people that use crypto and are willing to spend it on other online services.  I don't want to attract people that don't care about crypto and just want to make money. 

IMO crypto enthusiasts usually also privacy enthusiasts who likely to reject your invitation due to privacy concern.

[examplens]

There will be no KYC.  There is a third party that simply validate you are in front of your computer.  I would have no access to anything, other than the code they give you that shows you are available.

I'd have a very hard time trusting the third party will keep the video absolutely private, and for $1 per hour I certainly won't risk it.

yes, this pretty much violates privacy. there are already applications that track the activity on the computer, may freelance services use it to control working hours. Vod says they haven't access to anything, hackers also haven't access to anything, but almost every day we hear about a new hack and certain complications that as result. for example the last thing with the Twitter hack, who put a lot of money into a security.
I don't think the information is safe there, especially if your program comes out of anonymity, become famous and pay attention to possible available data.

although when I think about it, I'm not sure what anyone could do with my video of me sitting at a desk.

[SFR10]

I don't see any other way of proving you are unique without requiring any PII.

I'm not a coder/developer but perhaps there might be a way in the extension itself to assign unique digital signature/print for each computer/device.
<sup>- I do know it won't completely eliminate this issue but it'll significantly reduce the chances of someone abusing it.
- AFAIK, it'll have only a minor impact when it comes to deanonymizing.</sup>

Great question!  "Available" just means you are in front of the computer available to do quick tasks that may pop up.  You can do anything you normally do while being available.

Most would be "micro tasks" that require a response within 15 seconds or so, or it moves to the next person.  I would need an example of someone who would be "Available" but could not do a task right away.

• If a certain task moves to the next person ^{[even though they were available but somehow couldn't deliver it]}, they won't be receiving anything. Am I right?
• What I'm also trying to understand is how the timer works?
  ^{- Does it count only when we're doing the tasks?}