For the kind attention of the Gambling sites , a small suggestion

[fiulpro]

Hello

I wanted to write this post because I recently stumbled across an article where apparently a minor was accidentally allowed in an offline casino and it got me thinking how it would be easier for kids to reach the gambling sites online.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/15/australia/australia-casino-underage-gambling-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

This happened in Australia.

I do know of wonderful online casino sites who are taking care of people who are struck by the pandemic at the same time creating a support helpline for the customers.

Few things I would like to discuss here:

1) If KYC along with other information is needed to make sure Minors cannot access the gambling sites , I do think we should support it , until and unless the company agrees to take care of the privacy and data of their customers that I know they happily will.

2) I do think we have to seriously take this matter in consideration , Gambling is a sport , an activity , a leisure for people , I do support it when done in moderation but when it comes to kids , I do think each and everyone of us is entitled to look into this matter seriously.

I want to open this thread to engage the attention of the esteemed online Gambling sites here , so that they can at least give this a thought.

Maybe we need to think beyond KYC, but then again there is a thin line between privacy and regulation , but I do think this matter is of utmost importance.

Please share your thoughts and suggest how we can tackle this issue.

[Eugenar]

This is important. Gambling is not something which allows everyone to engage into it. There's that risk of being addicted into it. If ever kids will not be prohibited to enter or play in  gambling sites, not to be exaggerated, but this might push young people to steal in order for them to play. They don't have source of income more likely, so it is really possible.

Gambling sites should really pay attention into this matter by strengthening the requirements for a player to be able to enter the room. KYC sometimes is not enough and I hope there would be a way to regulate and avoid this possibility. And if there is already, I would like to know how it is done.

[wxa7115]

While I approve the age restrictions as it is known that your brain is not fully formed until your mid-20s, this means a kid and anyone underage is not ready to take responsible decisions with their money and they need to be restricted to get access to casinos.

In the case of physical casinos this is very easy to do as you could ask people to show you an identification in the case they seem to be too young to be there, but when it comes to online casinos this gets more complex, many fiat casinos allow you to play without forcing you to go through KYC and they only do that once you try to cash out, this allows minors to gamble all they want as long as they do not want to withdraw and when you add cryptocurrencies to the mix this seems like one of those issues that has no easy solution.

[target]

Having kids in the environment not fit for them is always not good epsecially casinos.

While I approve the age restrictions as it is known that your brain is not fully formed until your mid-20s, this means a kid and anyone underage is not ready to take responsible decisions with their money and they need to be restricted to get access to casinos.

In the case of physical casinos this is very easy to do as you could ask people to show you an identification in the case they seem to be too young to be there, but when it comes to online casinos this gets more complex, many fiat casinos allow you to play without forcing you to go through KYC and they only do that once you try to cash out, this allows minors to gamble all they want as long as they do not want to withdraw and when you add cryptocurrencies to the mix this seems like one of those issues that has no easy solution.

Gambling and not withdrawing doesn't make sense. No one wants to come up empty.

But yes its always going to be complicated for an online casino to check their users. Minors can just use anyone's ID especially if the system doesn't use sophisticated AI that wil check faces and documents.

[stomachgrowls]

It would totally remove out the true essence of Cryptocurrency gambling sites when the time they do consider out on having that KYC procedures just for them to avoid those minors to play into the site?
You cant really just say that it would only impose a thin line between privacy and regulation.How can you imply or integrate it because when it comes to verification then you will surely
need to comply on whats being asked.

Lets say you are trying to know on that players identity, then you will surely need corresponding documents, if not then someone can easily bypass it by just giving out false
information which can kids can definitely do.

This is a matter or problem of parenting because even on fiat world, these minors are still prone to this activity.

[goaldigger]

KYC on crypto gambling site is not that strict because of a decentralized system but if those minors will search for a casino gambling site online, I’m sure KYC is there and they wont allow any minors to play. The only way to prevent minors is to educate them and guide them not to gamble because of the risk of losing money. We cannot blame this to the crypto gambling site especially that most of the players still prefer to play anonymously, if you see minors playing on any crypto gambling site better to talk to him and give some reason not to gamble at all.

[theroyalgambler]

Thank you for starting this thread - I believe is important to raise as much awareness as possible and educate everyone in the process.

I also do believe that one of the first people to educate more on this sensitive topic are all the parents that have a children in their family as they are absorbing what the parents do. They are the one that should be taught the importance of not exposing gambling to them. Online Casinos have really not that big power here unless they do ask for KYC right away at the registration (I have seen casinos - even crypto ones that have this process).

The problem is also in the real world, as many bars, pubs in certain countries have games that are available to anyone including the little ones (see this infographic https://www.newcasinos.com/news/the-uk-wants-children-to-gamble/). All of this to say that is up also to each government to have regulated polices on this matters.

I hope this will be one of the last times a child is going to be exposed to such a problem. Utopic? maybe...

[acroman08]

1) If KYC along with other information is needed to make sure Minors cannot access the gambling sites , I do think we should support it , until and unless the company agrees to take care of the privacy and data of their customers that I know they happily will.

I don't have a problem with KYC but a parent should be responsible enough to monitor or limit/block websites(which is possible) they deemed inappropriate for their child. I would not support a KYC just to check my age. these things can be prevented if their parents are responsible enough for their child and I would not trust a company to safely keep my information. there have been cases where important information about their customers/clients have been stolen by the hackers or the company discreetly selling the information of their customers. giving up important information just so I can gamble is not worth it.

ps: the thread would be more appropriate in gambling discussion

[Botnake]

Despite how many regulations the government will make, this would not eliminate the chances that kids could gamble in online casinos particularly the crypto casinos as it's design to cater anonymous gambling. The laws are not necessary anymore, what's necessary is that the parents will be able to guide their kids to prevent from accessing gambling sites, so if these kids could still gamble, they can't blame the government and the casino, but their parents.

[arwin100]

Actually I don't like the KYC to be mandatory due to the reason that minors could possibly reach that since for me this mandatory implementation is not really necessary if this is thing will really be needed in future. The parents itself have obligations on their childs so maybe we are the one oblige to do some certain actions if we see our child doing some nasty plays online.

And also providing KYC online is dangerous and I don't want to give my personal identity to the scammers out there.

[Stedsm]

Is KYC really needed? My only question to you as well as that offline casino where that minor girl was caught gambling -
Were they blind enough to be unable to spot that she could be an underage? How would a 12 year-old girl look? If they can't even spot this thing in front of them, don't you think that today's kids are advanced enough to make a fake ID proof and/or just change their DOB in it in order to gamble anywhere? What difference will KYC make? I have seen many online services which provide fake KYC material for us for just $50 (and some for even less), what change will come after implementing this? Instead of implementing KYC, I believe that strict parental control should be there in order to stop their kids go the gambling way. In online casinos, it'll be much more easier for the kids to enjoy the freedom as they can easily fake out the ID (but here, they'll give someone else's ID like one of their elder ones) and can gamble behind the scenes hiding their real identity.

[stadus]

I don't support KYC especially on gambling sites, they provide the best experience for us gamblers to enjoy, if we allow KYC just to prevent kids from gambling but would result to sacrificing all our private information, I think that is not good and people will not gamble on crypto casinos as there's no difference on fiat casinos. There's no perfect rule, but all the time it's the interest of the business will be a priority.

[traderethereum]

KYC can be an option for a gambling website because we don't know how old people visit on the gambling site.
If we are afraid if kids will access the gambling site by free, then the parents must take care of their children while kids use the internet, even on their mobile phones.
The kids will not know about KYC or share their information with the website, but they can use their parent's information to access the website.
Without protection from the parents, the kids will easily browse the internet, and they will not be easy to visit on the gambling website, but they will easily visit the porn website.
Privacy and regulation will be needed, but the role of parents will be necessary for their kids. The parents need to have responsibility for their kids to guide their kids while they browse the internet.

[Hamphser]

KYC can be an option for a gambling website because we don't know how old people visit on the gambling site.
If we are afraid if kids will access the gambling site by free, then the parents must take care of their children while kids use the internet, even on their mobile phones.
The kids will not know about KYC or share their information with the website, but they can use their parent's information to access the website.
Without protection from the parents, the kids will easily browse the internet, and they will not be easy to visit on the gambling website, but they will easily visit the porn website.
Privacy and regulation will be needed, but the role of parents will be necessary for their kids. The parents need to have responsibility for their kids to guide their kids while they browse the internet.

There are lots of ways and kids on todays generation are really that knowledgeable or able to adapt too fast into tech where they can really find out ways and they are smart enough on how thing works even on
a very young age.I agree that this one goes or does matter with parenting.We cant really blame of gambling sites into this and even how hard they do try to impose regulation and laws there would be still
kids that can able to play and also they would be thinking on how badly it will affect their revenue since people do really hate KYC specially into this market.In solution to this then it will really be
on parents hands on how they do handle out their kids.

[GeorgeJohn]

It's understandable that gambling is the source of some peoples surviving,getting income, hobbies .And without gambling chanced of surviving will be very difficult to them,while matured people enjoyed gambling based on finance or income attach to it,but some gamble because of money which make present kids today to be interested in gambling.
This time kids are very smart to adopt things that surrounds their environments, but is not legal to some extent for a children to adventure into gambling,because from my observation gambling will make them to involves into criminality.
I directly advice to restrict children in some gambling site's because gambling is meant for adults.

[maxreish]

While I kinda agree that kids shouldn't be tolerated and need to pass kyc for restrictions, but things can not be controlled right now. What I mean is, even offline gambling apps and sites doesn't even need some kyc to access and to play with. They are easily access because theh are not centralized enough to do that.

We also know that it has been an old issue about that KYC, age restrictions are disregarded in reality because most of the casinos are not even requiring IDs to check whether their new player is a minor or not. But if in the future, they will gonna implement such kyc to prevent kids from gambling, I will definitely support this idea. It's for the sake of their mindset and probably their future.

[Kupid002]

While I kinda agree that kids shouldn't be tolerated and need to pass kyc for restrictions, but things can not be controlled right now. What I mean is, even offline gambling apps and sites doesn't even need some kyc to access and to play with. They are easily access because theh are not centralized enough to do that.

We also know that it has been an old issue about that KYC, age restrictions are disregarded in reality because most of the casinos are not even requiring IDs to check whether their new player is a minor or not. But if in the future, they will gonna implement such kyc to prevent kids from gambling, I will definitely support this idea. It's for the sake of their mindset and probably their future.

Even they will required KYC it will also reduce the players who want to use their gambling casino website ,Due to the fact that many of us do not want to give any of our credentials  to unknown website casino, even they told us that its secured to its hand.

We need to accept that it is different now and we cannot watch all young people because gambling now a days can be play online, its the parents responsibility To watch their child  to avoid gambling and addiction .

[Bezobraznike]

   I made my first sports bet around that age! That was almost 30 years ago, back then you could buy alcoholic drinks and cigars
without any problems, and I don't think there's something wrong with me. Back then there was a lot more freedom for all of us.
   Now there are too many regulations, but I don't think they do the thing. Parents are the ones who should be responsible and
they should take care of their kids, and there will be kids who will start gambling earlier, kids that grow up faster than other kids.

[traderethereum]

KYC can be an option for a gambling website because we don't know how old people visit on the gambling site.
If we are afraid if kids will access the gambling site by free, then the parents must take care of their children while kids use the internet, even on their mobile phones.
The kids will not know about KYC or share their information with the website, but they can use their parent's information to access the website.
Without protection from the parents, the kids will easily browse the internet, and they will not be easy to visit on the gambling website, but they will easily visit the porn website.
Privacy and regulation will be needed, but the role of parents will be necessary for their kids. The parents need to have responsibility for their kids to guide their kids while they browse the internet.

There are lots of ways and kids on todays generation are really that knowledgeable or able to adapt too fast into tech where they can really find out ways and they are smart enough on how thing works even on
a very young age.I agree that this one goes or does matter with parenting.We cant really blame of gambling sites into this and even how hard they do try to impose regulation and laws there would be still
kids that can able to play and also they would be thinking on how badly it will affect their revenue since people do really hate KYC specially into this market.In solution to this then it will really be
on parents hands on how they do handle out their kids.

I see that too because I have a nephew at a young age who can understand something faster than his aunt or uncle.
When they are online, we need to watch and beside them, and if they want to ask about something, we can tell them, and the good thing is we can prevent them from clicking a strange advertisement link that will appear in front of them.
The gambling site will not know who the visitor, and the site will think that the visitor is an adult people who want to enjoy the games.
The KYC itself will not protect the kids from the rules because they can use their parent's identities.

[nelson4lov]

The rate at which kids are getting involved with technology and stuffs that are way above their levels is alarming. For adults, it might be easy to control the addiction or greed to keep playing but for kids, Its a little more difficult. However, I don't think enforcing KYC on gambling websites is the way to go. That would just be doing more harm than good as privacy is our most valuable asset in the internet. The viable solution right now is just to raise more awareness for parents to restrict their children from certain online activities including gambling.

   I made my first sports bet around that age! That was almost 30 years ago, back then you could buy alcoholic drinks and cigars
without any problems, and I don't think there's something wrong with me. Back then there was a lot more freedom for all of us.

You turned out just fine but there are other kids when exposed to gambling, they can easily get addicted and can go as far as stealing just to fill their gambling hunger. By law, no one under 18 should be allowed to gamble.