Second COVID-19 wave is coming...Infinite loop?

[Mauser]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Unfortunately the second wave will likely be followed by a thrid wave. With vaccines still not available for the most people we will see corona around next year.

WHO is now stating that the pandemic could be over within two years similar to the last big pandemic the Spanish flu of 1918 which took around two years to overcome. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53870798

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[thesmallgod]

New Zealand too is already suffering from the covid19 second wave with the continuous increase in the number of confirmed cases while Malaysia, a few days ago discovers a deadlier strain of the virus https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/malaysian-scientists-discover-ten-times-deadlier-coronavirus-strain-making-it-more-infectious-heres-what-it-means/photostory/77586987.cms while we are all waiting for the success from the vaccines being developed in countries such as India, Russia, and co, it is still very much important people are keeping save and avoid crowded places.

[yulchatar]

Yes, indeed, I heard opinions that a second wave of the epidemic is expected in September, but for some countries it came earlier. The number of cases is growing rapidly, perhaps because people have already relaxed a little and have ceased to take care of themselves, as before. Many countries were quick to relax measures quarantine. While this can also be understood, the pandemic has hit all industries, and small and medium-sized businesses have had the hardest time. Therefore, everyone hastened to resume work, but as it turned out, it was still very early.

[beerlover]

Well, just like everyone said it can't have an infinite loop because at one point having covid wouldn't mean too much, you would have covid like you would have the flu, it is all quite easy to understand yet very hard to predict how to fix it and make it all go away. Think about it, even the common flu which we can recover from very easily even if it takes a week of us with red nose and so forth it is still easy to cure it and get back to health.

So, I would say it is quite important to realize we are going to live with covid forever from now on, but it just won't be as big of a deal as it is right now, all humanity will have it once or twice in their life first, if we get the vaccine to the whole world it will be recovered a lot easier and eventually it would be just like common cold and not be important.

[tyz]

Afaik in math you cannot decide a repeating thing is infinite only from 2 "loops".
Iirc from shool (loong ago) you need "reduction to absurdity" for this.

You got that right. The question was also whether we will get an infinite loop (not that we are already in an infinite loop), which is similar to the annual flu. The flu comes every year to cold season in a slightly different variant, so that every year the vaccination pot has to be adjusted. The same could happen with Covid-19, so that the virus becomes part of our permanent life. Or will it be (largely) eradicated at some point, like the plague.

[Sanitough]

Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

That depends on how they would handle the situation, covid-19 will just stick around as long as we are not immune with this through a vaccine, so we shold expert more infections if we are not responsible in facing this big threat to our lives. Actually our president even told that the 2nd wave will make our country suffer more as we have already spent all the budget in the current crisis, so I'm just hoping that soon the vaccine will be release.

[Vishnu.Reang]

WHO  estimates that it will be two years before effective and harmless vaccine comes into reality and this is the most favorable forecast. I don't trust the government which turns a blind eye to killing people at airports...period.

To be honest, I don't trust the WHO anymore. They are comprised of a bunch of incompetent people. If they had warned initially that human-to-human transmission was possible for COVID 19, then the other countries would have closed their borders to the Chinese travelers and the pandemic would have remained confined to China. It was because of the incompetence of these people that we lost almost a million lives.

[shoreno]

I don't think there will be a second or third wave.

right, totally agree that it is unthinkable that there will be a second wave pandemic and so on.

but the op said the second wave already happened on europe  while the rest of the countries are still on the first wave  .

 we cant say that this is an infinite loop yet but is there such thing as infinite loop when it comes to pandemic ? never witness any , only first and second wave as far as i remember .  that would take a long time if the virus leaks on its second wave and experts already come up with a solution between those time  .

[Vishnu.Reang]

That is too long to get an effective vaccine, and I can not imagine how many people will suffer and die again, especially in this new normal, which many people can not be careful in the public area. We can only wait until the government can release the vaccine. Meanwhile, we need to take care of ourselves from anything, so at least we can still be healthy and don't infect.

I agree. In two years time, almost everyone in this world may get infected from the virus and 99.9% may naturally acquire antibodies against it (the remaining 0.1% may lose their lives). So what is the point in going for the vaccination after two years, when everyone will be having the antibodies in their body? A vaccine is needed now, not two years later.

[NeuroticFish]

The question was also whether we will get an infinite loop (not that we are already in an infinite loop), which is similar to the annual flu. The flu comes every year to cold season in a slightly different variant, so that every year the vaccination pot has to be adjusted. The same could happen with Covid-19, so that the virus becomes part of our permanent life. Or will it be (largely) eradicated at some point, like the plague.

OK. I don't see flu as something in loops. It's here and when the weather conditions help, it becomes stronger.
Indeed, sars-cov-2 has a chance to become like flu, but how big that chance is .. that's hard to assess now, this is something to be discussed after the vaccination will start. And then we'll see how effective the vaccines are, how big will be the part of population that'll take the vaccine and what happens in the following "season" after vaccination. If that'll be ineffective in a year, then probably we'll have the same story as with flu.

[teosanru]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

This was bound to happen. Technically nothing can contain COVID in this rapid advanced environment where it takes minutes to travel from one place to another. Our only hope is a reliable vaccine or else we will see number of waves coming after one another until herd immunity kicks in. Technically compared to another companies Covid didn't affect that much people but it inflicted huge number of deaths so you might see hell lot of cases in Europe in upcoming days.

[mirakal]

We are more ready now even if the 2nd wave will come, in fact it has already come to other countries so it's not new.
The fear is already gone, people have already learn how to manage themselves to still continue to live and make a living despite of the virus.

Therefore, we should not worry, if this word is bound to end there we have to accept as there's nothing we can do but let's face the current situation, we can win on this battle, our economy is not dead yet, it just struggle because it's movement is pretty much limited.

[Vishnu.Reang]

We are more ready now even if the 2nd wave will come, in fact it has already come to other countries so it's not new.
The fear is already gone, people have already learn how to manage themselves to still continue to live and make a living despite of the virus.

Therefore, we should not worry, if this word is bound to end there we have to accept as there's nothing we can do but let's face the current situation, we can win on this battle, our economy is not dead yet, it just struggle because it's movement is pretty much limited.

Well.. this is even more dangerous IMO. If the fear is gone from the minds of the people, then they will be under a false impression of safety. They will engage in non-essential travel and disregard social distancing and other preventive measures. In the end, we will be having a second wave, which is going to be much more deadly when compared to the first wave.

This has happened in human history once, during the 1918-20 Spanish Flu pandemic. Back then, the second wave was much more deadlier when compared to the first wave.

[nasipadang]

A significant increase in the number of infections requires these countries to close their economic stripes, so surely they will experience a decline in economic value. If the economy is forced to continue running, the infection will continue to increase and can cause big problems in the future, so as long as the problem is still small and not yet big then it is better to solve it immediately. Like it or not it has to happen, plus there are many conspiracy theories that make me even more confused about whether this is really a virus or just a government plan. Continue regarding the vaccine for covid-19 not yet 100% viable and in a forced development pace.

[Bezobraznike]

I agree. In two years time, almost everyone in this world may get infected from the virus and 99.9% may naturally acquire antibodies against it (the remaining 0.1% may lose their lives). So what is the point in going for the vaccination after two years, when everyone will be having the antibodies in their body? A vaccine is needed now, not two years later.

Yeah. Our bodies will create new immunes to against the virus, and I think the process already starts from this new normal. Although we don't know who the person who has that antibody, sooner or later is, people will see that in the end, they might don't need that vaccine because their body can produce the immune to against the virus. I think the virus, in the end, will almost the same as cough and fever.

   2 years is a log period, and not just that, I doubt that all infected people can survive
Covid-19 virus. If you calculate current death rate and consider that in this world lives
over 7 billion people, that would be many deaths.
   Now we have to trust in people that have a job to produce the vaccine. That will happen faster than to infect the whole world and wait people to become immune.

[justdimin]

The great part right now which is sad that it happened but thankfully it happened is the fact that doctors learned how to cure it, they are not all powerful and just click their fingers and cure you, but at least they know the method, they know that how a person could get better, will they get better or not the same way is unknown but the method is there. That is a huge deal because thanks to that we are talking about people recovering a lot faster and leaving a lot more places for the sick people, hospitals do not get clogged like our bitcoin blockchain does .

So, even if second wave comes the whole world is a lot more prepared for it, the first wave was a shock, nobody expected something this huge, so they weren't really ready for such a drastic change in life, now that we know we are ready for it.

[Vishnu.Reang]

2 years is a log period, and not just that, I doubt that all infected people can survive
Covid-19 virus. If you calculate current death rate and consider that in this world lives
over 7 billion people, that would be many deaths.
   Now we have to trust in people that have a job to produce the vaccine. That will happen faster than to infect the whole world and wait people to become immune.

The death rate from COVID 19 is not yet accurately calculated. The reason is that in almost all the countries, the great majority of the asymptomatic cases are not added to the total. Therefore an over-estimation of the fatality from this pandemic will be there. And this is one of the reasons why there is so much variation in death rate from country to country. For example, the mortality rate from COVID 19 is 4% in countries such as the United States and Brazil, while it is less than 0.2% in countries such as Qatar and Iceland.

[Romanianz]

only in my assumption,
human immunity will defeat this virus, have you ever know Herd Immunity?
yes, it's only human immunity that can defeat the virus at the moment.
the vaccine will be available in the next 5 month or a year after the virus spread,
so stay safe and keep healthy, eat vitamin if necessary

[wiss19]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Was having a discussion of this Coronavirus with some people and someone said that the Coronavirus will turn out to be something normal and by then there will be a vaccine or something that will be used to control it just like vaccine is being used to control other kinds of sickness.

I do not know about that, but I really wish that there would be a way to end this Coronavirus once and for all. I don’t want it to continue to exist, I want it to end for good because it’s a serious threat . For long now I have not looked at the chart to know the number of cases in my country, I am no longer talking about it, because I hate to.

[Ozero]

The world's economy is already on its knees during the first wave. It hasn't recovered yet since then, although it is already on its way, albeit slowly. A second wave would certainly stunt any progress of recovery.

This is going to be very bad for every country's economy. Unemployment and poverty rate would certainly continue to increase along with the increase of infected individuals. The ripple effect of this pandemic would extend up to a country's education, human rights, productivity, psychological health, and so on and so forth. 

All of this will only stop upon the release of effective vaccines or medications.

It seems to me that the hype around the coronavirus is raised and artificially whipped up. Someone benefits from unprecedented measures to combat the coronavirus to dramatically lower the level of economies of most countries and lead to poverty for a significant number of the world's population. It is no coincidence that some states are now refusing to impose tough restrictions again, despite the announcement of the second wave of this coronavirus.
It seems that it is not the coronavirus itself that is terrible, but the fight against it.