Police Raids and kids involving spider betting.

[Saint-loup]

Wow it's not dangerous to chase those spiders?
You're using some special equipment for that? Like gloves helmet and suit?

Your reactions are really great.

I think you live in a wilder environment like maybe Australia or the US with your reactions but I could link a picture here of what it really looks like:

this one
and this one

We usually see them in that leaf sleeping or in their web if we are actually lucky. It is cool though since it is not like the other spiders that is venomous or so big that it could fit in your hand. They are actually amazing since they are not hostile that would bite you if you hold them, you could even pick them up and blow them softly to make them sleep like that in the picture. We don't have suits or gloves, heck we even go to mountain sides without even wearing any tops. The only thing we should worry about is snakes and this leaf called "lipa", also called here in our country, "lipang kalabaw", "alingatong" or in english, tropical wood nettles based on google. Oh and yeah, I should add our mothers in there since they would be really furious when they knew we did that.

No I'm living in Europe, and your pictures are frightening. Most of people would run away here if you show them this kind of insects.
Our spiders are very small here, and nobody like them, we generally squash them when we see some of them.

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[MFahad]

Stubbornness is certain, apart from ignoring the health protocols of gambling in a time like this pandemic, gambling itself is basically illegal in some countries and I don't know whether gambling in your place is legal or not. Whether it's betting involving animals or any media, gambling will always be a common activity in society, so it's no wonder that many minors are involved in such cases. I personally just don't like bets in the form of animal fights because it would be better like horse races and / or other animal races, not about fighting animals for a fight.

Ignorance may be another major factor and those who play and then bet on animals fights can be called as mentally ill persons and should have a proper treatment. I am against such fights and condemn them. I think government should ban these sports altogether so there will be no such sports and no betting on them too.

[milewilda]

Spiders are so tiny, sounds funny but I guess it fits for kids.    Sounds similar to coin throw or marble game people bet on sometimes and when I was younger we just did cards for small amounts.    People will always bet on something as risk is a natural factor in life, the government only misses out on possible revenue and taxes by not regulating the industry and providing some positive to oversight rather attempting to prevent the idea and achieving little.

It isnt only for kids but also in adults as well.It might look a boring kind of betting but you can see that there are lots who do really enjoy even on the simpliest form of gambling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNsK1TkH_5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dokf_VvEShk
Watching out the video you can really tell that this isnt only a kids game.As mentioned they have just done these activity on a pandemic situation.Also these kind of gambling cant really give out
some significance when it comes to revenue.These are just small time kind of gambling.

[electronicash]

Spiders are so tiny, sounds funny but I guess it fits for kids.    Sounds similar to coin throw or marble game people bet on sometimes and when I was younger we just did cards for small amounts.    People will always bet on something as risk is a natural factor in life, the government only misses out on possible revenue and taxes by not regulating the industry and providing some positive to oversight rather attempting to prevent the idea and achieving little.

not the risk of losing life thru this pandemic though. we can bet just about as much as we'd like but life is just too precious to lose. spiders can multiply more than a hundred to a thousand when its mother lays eggs but for a parent losing a kid is just terrible and all because a spider betting event.

this is as stupid as those college students who risk their lives to bet who will catch corona virus the first thru covid parties. i don't know if you have heard of this news.

[Wawa2013]

Usually kids do gambling like spider betting not to get money, but for fun. I am actually very worried that the spider betting
incident by kids could become a new spread of the corona virus. Because surely these kids violate health protocols, such as
not wearing masks or not doing social distancing. Fortunately the police were able to arrest the kids. Hopefully, after being
returned to their parents, these kids  can be closely monitored by their parents, so they don't repeat it again.

[Rengga Jati]

Actually, there needs some reasons to judge whether it is right or not arresting those kids because of spider betting. Spider betting maybe not fault. But there are some notes:

1. Law in the Country
First, we should know what country is that.
Second, understand also the law of gambling/betting in that country:
- Law of minimal age to gamble/bet (every country has a different minimum age of gambling or betting as what I have example in my post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230360.msg53962700#msg53962700
- Law of gambling or betting itself in that country

2. Spider betting
Sometimes, we should differentiate between playing spider betting and exact doing gambling for that betting. I mean that sometimes kids are playing that ponly for fun. And if they have made it as real betting, it will back to the first point here.

3. Are they really kids?
Is that the real icture and are they really kids? The country must have their rule and law of arresting people under age. If they are just kids, they may be not be arrested, but back to first ppint, deend on the law.

But, whatever the codnition, if that happens now during this andemic, I dn't think it is a good idea to let our kids playing betting together. It agisnt the health protocol. But  also cannot judge whether they are fault or not because I do not know whether the country also faces this similar pandemic or not. And of course, if gambling for kids is still forbidden, it is important for the parents to control our kids and also directing our children not to play betting/gambling.

[maydna]

Spiders are so tiny, sounds funny but I guess it fits for kids.    Sounds similar to coin throw or marble game people bet on sometimes and when I was younger we just did cards for small amounts.    People will always bet on something as risk is a natural factor in life, the government only misses out on possible revenue and taxes by not regulating the industry and providing some positive to oversight rather attempting to prevent the idea and achieving little.

Perhaps, that will fit kids, but I won't take a risk for my kids. I prefer marble games or other games, and not trying to introduce the game that will be used for gambling. They will think or see if that game is for gambling from what adult people did when they played. I played marble games when I was a kid with my friends, and we risk some marble to be given for the winner.

Our life is gambling too because when we decide something, there will always be another option besides what we want to make, and the result will always be different.

[shoreno]

Usually kids do gambling like spider betting not to get money, but for fun.

thats not called betting but call it spider fights if no money is at stake  . kids wouldnt have that idea that spider fights can also be a form of gambling if not because of the adults that influence them.

I am actually very worried that the spider betting
incident by kids could become a new spread of the corona virus. Because surely these kids violate health protocols, such as
not wearing masks or not doing social distancing.

its not like a regular gambling that are available everyday but spiders are seasonal  . if its not thier season , you can rarely see a spider so no activites related to it   . kids are not also excempted to the rule of pandemic .  kids on our place are not playing spiders but only  to kites yet health officials roam to catch these kids if they see them outside .

[finaleshot2016]

Some of the statements here are against animal fighting, well, I value the other culture, but we can not deny that it is common in other countries, such as cockfighting. The main explanation for this is social distancing, since their actions could spread the infection.

Usually kids do gambling like spider betting not to get money, but for fun.

thats not called betting but call it spider fights if no money is at stake  . kids wouldnt have that idea that spider fights can also be a form of gambling if not because of the adults that influence them.

I am actually very worried that the spider betting
incident by kids could become a new spread of the corona virus. Because surely these kids violate health protocols, such as
not wearing masks or not doing social distancing.

its not like a regular gambling that are available everyday but spiders are seasonal  . if its not thier season , you can rarely see a spider so no activites related to it   . kids are not also excempted to the rule of pandemic .  kids on our place are not playing spiders but only  to kites yet health officials roam to catch these kids if they see them outside .

It's likely! It's about the influence of adults, so they may like to risk betting on spiders.
Yes, there's no exemption to any quarantine measures, we've got to follow that to prevent growing cases of COVID-19.

[Janation]

Unless gambling is banned in your place, I don't think spider betting is that bad. As a kid, we've been doing that for years and we don't have a problem with that to the authorities. The barangay captain of our place even joins with our fun by cheering with us. It is just we are hard-headed and loves letting these spiders fight, that is just it.

Even if the baranggay captain joins you, that doesn't mean it's right. We all know that any form of gambling (that is illegal) will not be tolerated by the authority, and your baranggay captain know that but always ignored it since he has the power in your baranggay and no one will tell the police (hope so). Given the situation we are in right now, gambling is never the right thing to do especially to the kids, because they are prone to the virus like the senior citizens.

That is why I am talking about when I was a kid.

Which at that time betting on other things is also a thing, and I think Filipinos would only knew; text money, kara, patubig, even turumpo(top) is being betting on, and if you are a Filipino, I doubt that you never experienced one of those. That is a life we had in the past, we never even looked at it as gambling since we are having fun doing that, we just realized that growing up.

I think gambling is part of our tradition, Most of us Filipinos usually say, "Pustahan tayo"(lets bet on it), when they know they are right, they would even add "sama mo pa bahay mo"(you could even bet your house).

[MickLichz]

Unless gambling is banned in your place, I don't think spider betting is that bad. As a kid, we've been doing that for years and we don't have a problem with that to the authorities. The barangay captain of our place even joins with our fun by cheering with us. It is just we are hard-headed and loves letting these spiders fight, that is just it.

Even if the baranggay captain joins you, that doesn't mean it's right. We all know that any form of gambling (that is illegal) will not be tolerated by the authority, and your baranggay captain know that but always ignored it since he has the power in your baranggay and no one will tell the police (hope so). Given the situation we are in right now, gambling is never the right thing to do especially to the kids, because they are prone to the virus like the senior citizens.

That is why I am talking about when I was a kid.

Which at that time betting on other things is also a thing, and I think Filipinos would only knew; text money, kara, patubig, even turumpo(top) is being betting on, and if you are a Filipino, I doubt that you never experienced one of those. That is a life we had in the past, we never even looked at it as gambling since we are having fun doing that, we just realized that growing up.

I think gambling is part of our tradition, Most of us Filipinos usually say, "Pustahan tayo"(lets bet on it), when they know they are right, they would even add "sama mo pa bahay mo"(you could even bet your house).

As a fellow filipino i agree to you that gambling or "pustahan" become the part of our tradition, in fact when i was in elementary i often join in spider betting and sometimes i am the participant and it was fun but also i know that it is illegal, but also the fact that spider betting in Philippines is not considered as one of the biggest illegal form of gambling but i think why the authority arrest those who do spider betting is because we are in the middle of a pandemic and the worst is that there's a kids involved but I also understand that those people maybe seek for entertainment or to do what they love and their habit but the timing is off.

[Ucy]

Ofcourse, we all have! But not all our norms and cultures are good. None of the worldly cultures that currently exist has more "good way of life" than bad.

It will depend on the perception of every individual that is being influenced by the norms of the society. We have different cultures and standards that has been followed and since the audience of this forum coming from different countries around the world I expected already different replies. I have read some post that others were glad on spider fight betting but not on those childs involve. Others too did not understand why or what is good in this game involving insects.

All I learn is that we have different perceptions and glad to post this thread for me to visualize the event on what could it be improve or not really needed to include in gamblers gambling list.

Well, it's not about cultures being different or respecting a culture. It's about doing what is right/good. We all have different things we practice that are clearly not right. It's important we point them out while recognizing that we may not perfect or may be doing things that are actually not good too. Those who listen will stop them while others won't.
Encouraging animals to fight (possibly to death) is actually not a good thing. It's left for people to judge whether it's good or evil/bad. Should we legalize evil because it's cultural?

[Pamadar]

Ofcourse, we all have! But not all our norms and cultures are good. None of the worldly cultures that currently exist has more "good way of life" than bad.

It will depend on the perception of every individual that is being influenced by the norms of the society. We have different cultures and standards that has been followed and since the audience of this forum coming from different countries around the world I expected already different replies. I have read some post that others were glad on spider fight betting but not on those childs involve. Others too did not understand why or what is good in this game involving insects.

All I learn is that we have different perceptions and glad to post this thread for me to visualize the event on what could it be improve or not really needed to include in gamblers gambling list.

Well, it's not about cultures being different or respecting a culture. It's about doing what is right/good. We all have different things we practice that are clearly not right. It's important we point them out while recognizing that we may not perfect or may be doing things that are actually not good too. Those who listen will stop them while others won't.
Encouraging animals to fight (possibly to death) is actually not a good thing. It's left for people to judge whether it's good or evil/bad. Should we legalize evil because it's cultural?

A question that answerable with different opinions.

We have our own interpretations and we do have legal laws that caters this kinds of illegal act, we should then realized that we are still inside a society that have different house rules. If what's legal to your place may be illegal to other side.

We are not perfect as there's chances that we already being brought to this kinds
of situations where we see people encouraging illegal gambling like this, aware of
illegalities but due to many people are betting we are encourage to participate without
thinking of any consequences that may take place.

[peter0425]

Stubbornness is certain, apart from ignoring the health protocols of gambling in a time like this pandemic, gambling itself is basically illegal in some countries and I don't know whether gambling in your place is legal or not. Whether it's betting involving animals or any media, gambling will always be a common activity in society, so it's no wonder that many minors are involved in such cases. I personally just don't like bets in the form of animal fights because it would be better like horse races and / or other animal races, not about fighting animals for a fight.

Ignorance may be another major factor and those who play and then bet on animals fights can be called as mentally ill persons and should have a proper treatment. I am against such fights and condemn them. I think government should ban these sports altogether so there will be no such sports and no betting on them too.

please don't be stupid,that is not an "Animal' it was "Insect" and why you are against the fight?
or you just don't know what are you saying here?
the issue is about the Kids gambling and not respecting the social distancing .
They're parents must be the one who needs to answer this to the authority as teens cannot be put in Jail.

[Eureka_07]

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those who play and then bet on animals fights can be called as mentally ill persons and should have a proper treatment.
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They're parents must be the one who needs to answer this to the authority as teens cannot be put in Jail.

Spiders are never been an insect lol. Insects mostly do have wings, on the otherhand, spiders do not have any, and are 8-legged animals, they are called arachnids.
Honestly, I've been also playing that spider fights when I was an elementary student.
But there are law that are against it, so better to follow the law. That's why spider betting is an issue, we should not force any animals to fight each other.
But actually, it's the parents responsibility to put their children away from gambling, unfortunately, some of them just make them much near into it, plus it's pandemic they must stay on their homes.

@MFahad, how did you say that they are mentally ill persons, and are needed to take proper treatment?

[erikoy]

Spiders are never been an insect lol. Insects mostly do have wings, on the otherhand, spiders do not have any, and are 8-legged animals, they are called arachnids.
Honestly, I've been also playing that spider fights when I was an elementary student.
But there are law that are against it, so better to follow the law. That's why spider betting is an issue, we should not force any animals to fight each other.
But actually, it's the parents responsibility to put their children away from gambling, unfortunately, some of them just make them much near into it, plus it's pandemic they must stay on their homes.

@MFahad, how did you say that they are mentally ill persons, and are needed to take proper treatment?

Well thank you for the correction. I also intend to use the insect word to describe the spiders which you have mention. But it is not common word to be use to describe the spiders. Most they called it insect because its favorite preys are insect.

Anyway, in regards to law spider fight is illegal and whether we like it or not this gambling type usually done in a venue where authorities could not locate or will be detected when they come for raid. It is usually in hideous place so as to let them enjoy betting illegally.

[peter0425]

Spiders are never been an insect lol. Insects mostly do have wings, on the otherhand, spiders do not have any, and are 8-legged animals, they are called arachnids.

Lol thanks for the correction ,i have just carried away when i read about His post regarding the gamblers the mentally Ill person.

but at least you have gave trivia here like the poster above me who already thought that Spider is a insect 

Edited my post already mate.

[Cratoon]

Crazy world we live in.

Thanks to this topic I realized spiders aren't insect lol

And some people thought Pokemon Go was bad...

[TopTort777]

there are worse gambling games we do when we were kids. apart from flipping coins and spider fights, we also bet to guess the dates like year when the coin was made. coins normally have year like 1990, 1995, 1998 and so on. we bet it on our palms and just bet and open the coin to check the year. spider fight is normal when you are in the Philippines. playing cards or mahjong is learned by kids as early as 12 in my town. but i guess it changed these days. this was back when there is no internet yet.

When I was kid we use to play this "coin and knuckles" games at school or kindergarden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqP3oLmREp8 Here is the short video. You twist the coin, next person needs to hit it with finger so it would continue twisting. Those who failed to do it, get a hit by edge of this coin into the knuckle. If you play like 3-4 persons, in 5 minutes (during a break) you knuckles becomes a bloody mess. We even but bets if next hit will open a wound or not (but betting was not often). This is games is worse than spider betting

[South Park]

there are worse gambling games we do when we were kids. apart from flipping coins and spider fights, we also bet to guess the dates like year when the coin was made. coins normally have year like 1990, 1995, 1998 and so on. we bet it on our palms and just bet and open the coin to check the year. spider fight is normal when you are in the Philippines. playing cards or mahjong is learned by kids as early as 12 in my town. but i guess it changed these days. this was back when there is no internet yet.

When I was kid we use to play this "coin and knuckles" games at school or kindergarden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqP3oLmREp8 Here is the short video. You twist the coin, next person needs to hit it with finger so it would continue twisting. Those who failed to do it, get a hit by edge of this coin into the knuckle. If you play like 3-4 persons, in 5 minutes (during a break) you knuckles becomes a bloody mess. We even but bets if next hit will open a wound or not (but betting was not often). This is games is worse than spider betting

We can always find something that is worse than spider betting but I do not think there could be too much of a point to do so, what it is important is that this seems  to be against the law and if the kids are bored enough to do this then they should find another activity that is more productive than spider betting, also this kind of behaviour could lead to even more reckless bets on the future like illegal car racing in which not only they could put the lives of other people at risk but even their own, so it is better to curb this behaviour as soon as possible.