Police Raids and kids involving spider betting.

[Ucy]

Spider betting is just a normal game and sometimes it's called a kid's game because there are many kids in the province playing that game. Betting on spider game makes the game thrill, similar to cockfighting and I know that it's still illegal because they're just kids.

 But in this case, social distancing is the main problem, not the spider betting because we aren't allowed to have a social gathering.

Well, as long as it doesn't involve encouraging the creatures to fight and kill each other and then betting on the event. Maybe "spider racing" will be tolerable.
Oh, so the raiding is just about Social Distancing and not that they bet on spiders?

We should be aware that we have different cultures and norms.

Ofcourse, we all have! But not all our norms and cultures are good. None of the worldly cultures that currently exist has more "good way of life" than bad.

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[Kupid002]

I think this is the matter of social gathering rather than the spider betting itself.

Physical distancing might be a factor but most probably spider betting is not allowed and it is illegal as mandated by the environmental law.

Unless gambling is banned in your place, I don't think spider betting is that bad. As a kid, we've been doing that for years and we don't have a problem with that to the authorities. The barangay captain of our place even joins with our fun by cheering with us. It is just we are hard-headed and loves letting these spiders fight, that is just it.

That is certainly a big problem and even the barangay leaders are playing and betting as well. They have supposed the one that should give a warned to them before it goes to the police but it was unlikely to happen.
This is a lesson to learn for the rest of the spider collectors and bettors. This will cause no good for them and better should stop it before someone gets into jail or better wait that it becomes legal.

there is also a penalty for them if they are found to have violated the protocol and they can be fired for it as brgy captain if it's proven that they are doing that. What ever the reason is ,it's illegal so they are the one who should first follow the law before before their constituency complied . As as a leader you should be a good example for everyone

[erikoy]

Ofcourse, we all have! But not all our norms and cultures are good. None of the worldly cultures that currently exist has more "good way of life" than bad.

It will depend on the perception of every individual that is being influenced by the norms of the society. We have different cultures and standards that has been followed and since the audience of this forum coming from different countries around the world I expected already different replies. I have read some post that others were glad on spider fight betting but not on those childs involve. Others too did not understand why or what is good in this game involving insects.

All I learn is that we have different perceptions and glad to post this thread for me to visualize the event on what could it be improve or not really needed to include in gamblers gambling list.

[Janation]

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But not in our days now because of Physical distancing,yeah Spider gambling is enjoyable but this isd very much need to be close together
 since the Stick that where Spider fight is to small so people need to look closer together to find out the status of each fight.

Maybe after the Pandemic everything in gambling will back soon and not only local gambling like this but all
 the games involved in betting.

Some of them are still doing that.

I contacted my family in the province and most of my nieces are boys and they have these spiders which they brag to me and even let me watch the fights of it. They are not using a stick but these little plastic box where they could see what is happening inside. They live in one house so I don't see any problems to that in terms of social distancing.

[peter0425]

Ofcourse, we all have! But not all our norms and cultures are good. None of the worldly cultures that currently exist has more "good way of life" than bad.

It will depend on the perception of every individual that is being influenced by the norms of the society. We have different cultures and standards that has been followed and since the audience of this forum coming from different countries around the world I expected already different replies. I have read some post that others were glad on spider fight betting but not on those childs involve. Others too did not understand why or what is good in this game involving insects.

All I learn is that we have different perceptions and glad to post this thread for me to visualize the event on what could it be improve or not really needed to include in gamblers gambling list.

we all have perception in gambling and some don't find this cool but we did,Spider gambling ahs been in some countries for long.
And believe me this is good and entertaining.
The problem is if being abused like what these kids did and all those who organized the game.
How i hope that they will wait for the Quarantine to end before having this same gambling again.

[South Park]

I agree, the parents would probably do to something different with their money than having their kids gamble it all away. One good thing has it in my opinion, once the police kicks down the doors at your home, you will probably not forget it anymore. It might be a good way to scare them straight in the long run. Every time they gamble now they should be afraid of the police coming through the door again.

No not really, because these kids are aware that they are protected by law and by that they do not afraid anymore on the police getting caught. In fact some of them had tried out of curiosity and their parents had no idea of their activities until such they were called by the officers to settle the and submit their affidavit or explanation for their kids getting caught.

This is the new trend here and I think there is a need for the lawmakers to revise these law becase kids abuses this one already like they were already aware of everything that will going to happen on them and that they think that they are always safe with the law protecting them.

Whenever a group is excluded from facing the consequences of their actions that group becomes even more reckless as time passes, even if this is done by kids if they are violating the law then some kind of punishment must be applied, I think going to jail will be too harsh but maybe community service will be the right punishment for kids engaging in this activity, and while this is not going to stop those that are too into this at least it will show all of those that were there just out of curiosity that there are consequences for their actions and with luck they will not do it again.

[Quidat]

Ofcourse, we all have! But not all our norms and cultures are good. None of the worldly cultures that currently exist has more "good way of life" than bad.

It will depend on the perception of every individual that is being influenced by the norms of the society. We have different cultures and standards that has been followed and since the audience of this forum coming from different countries around the world I expected already different replies. I have read some post that others were glad on spider fight betting but not on those childs involve. Others too did not understand why or what is good in this game involving insects.

All I learn is that we have different perceptions and glad to post this thread for me to visualize the event on what could it be improve or not really needed to include in gamblers gambling list.

we all have perception in gambling and some don't find this cool but we did,Spider gambling ahs been in some countries for long.
And believe me this is good and entertaining.
The problem is if being abused like what these kids did and all those who organized the game.
How i hope that they will wait for the Quarantine to end before having this same gambling again.

Anything can really be tied up and can really be a medium for someone to gamble as long it do involved money then it would be considered to be one.
It doesnt matter on what thing it would be as long it would be entertaining and susceptible on making it as a gambling then people will surely do it
and this situation isnt an exclusion and i agree that this had already been a while now when it comes to spider bets where there are people who do make
this as a form an entertainment on letting those spiders do fight.It might not be that appealing for most people but there are places on the world
which do really have some fun on this one but these fellas had done it on the wrong time.

Whenever a group is excluded from facing the consequences of their actions that group becomes even more reckless as time passes, even if this is done by kids if they are violating the law then some kind of punishment must be applied, I think going to jail will be too harsh but maybe community service will be the right punishment for kids engaging in this activity, and while this is not going to stop those that are too into this at least it will show all of those that were there just out of curiosity that there are consequences for their actions and with luck they will not do it again.

Its no about curiosity but rather they havent put into their consideration on the new laws and prohibitions that had been set by the government and instead
they had just neglect it out and do continue on the thing on what they do want to do.For kids that do violate the law and since they are still minors then
putting them on jail is not possible but having that community service would really do for them to at least learn that they had done the wrong thing
and on next time they are much aware that it is really prohibited specially to be done on these days.

[Saint-loup]

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We usually bet on it.

We don't care what other people say at that time but when we do those matches, there are a lot of people surrounding us and when the spiders are unto it, the crowd are shouting. We even received  some punishment by cleaning because of the loudness of the matches. We bet on it but we didn't acutally got in trouble by betting on it but because of how we enjoy the match.

We bet in terms of those efforts or some times there's also prize when someone ask us to fight with their spider.
I uses to remember those early morning haunts, looking for trees that may be possible for spiders to build their house. Doing this
with cousins or friends really adds up the fun, plus those small amount of bets since from that time it's really not all for the money
but for the pride and the time that we spent chasing those spiders.
Sharing memories! but back to the topic it's annoying seeing this people wo deal with this in this time of pandemic.

Wow it's not dangerous to chase those spiders?
You're using some special equipment for that? Like gloves helmet and suit?

[DoublerHunter]

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Its no about curiosity but rather they havent put into their consideration on the new laws and prohibitions that had been set by the government and instead
they had just neglect it out and do continue on the thing on what they do want to do.For kids that do violate the law and since they are still minors then
putting them on jail is not possible but having that community service would really do for them to at least learn that they had done the wrong thing
and on next time they are much aware that it is really prohibited specially to be done on these days.

^ Spider is a kind of insects that protected to the animal wildlife group and the government as well. Because that insects the spider was help people to reduce from other harmful insects like flies and mosquitos, this spider has great help to our ecosystem to maintaining balance and reduce number of the pest. Catching this will probably have an effect to our ecosystem. If in your country this is prohibited, that is a good idea and no one will exemption kids or adults should be penalized who involve this kind of betting. Nevertheless, good thing to hear this news about that their government take an action regarding this matter.

[Quidat]

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Its no about curiosity but rather they havent put into their consideration on the new laws and prohibitions that had been set by the government and instead
they had just neglect it out and do continue on the thing on what they do want to do.For kids that do violate the law and since they are still minors then
putting them on jail is not possible but having that community service would really do for them to at least learn that they had done the wrong thing
and on next time they are much aware that it is really prohibited specially to be done on these days.

^ Spider is a kind of insects that protected to the animal wildlife group and the government as well. Because that insects the spider was help people to reduce from other harmful insects like flies and mosquitos, this spider has great help to our ecosystem to maintaining balance and reduce number of the pest. Catching this will probably have an effect to our ecosystem. If in your country this is prohibited, that is a good idea and no one will exemption kids or adults should be penalized who involve this kind of betting. Nevertheless, good thing to hear this news about that their government take an action regarding this matter.

Every animal on this world does really have corresponding usage into the ecosystem for maintaining the balance but to think that there are lots of species or types of it
and basing of n some research then only a few species are considered endangered https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_endangered_spiders. Identifying them would be impossible
if you are just a casual spider catcher on a certain place.Once you've caught that you do catch out these endangered ones then expect that there would be a corresponding
violations of it aside from pandemic quarantine violation.

Kids shouldnt really be going outside specially to this pandemic situation they arent just making themselves go to prison but also they do risk out their health as well.
Its not really worth to do gambling at the moment specially when social distancing isnt present.

[LogitechMouse]

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Kinda funny though that even gamblers are gambling to these kind of fight. Spider fighting.
I assume that we are from the same place because there is a time where we are doing spider fights too back in the old days but with no money involved. I would like to see any article that they are still doing this in the middle of the pandemic.

Overall, lets face the truth. There are people in our place which are hard-headed and undisciplined people. Probably there are still some places that are doing this spider fighting right now because of boredom too but to bet with it and with many people around it, that is another story already.

[Janation]

Wow it's not dangerous to chase those spiders?
You're using some special equipment for that? Like gloves helmet and suit?

Your reactions are really great.

I think you live in a wilder environment like maybe Australia or the US with your reactions but I could link a picture here of what it really looks like:

this one
and this one

We usually see them in that leaf sleeping or in their web if we are actually lucky. It is cool though since it is not like the other spiders that is venomous or so big that it could fit in your hand. They are actually amazing since they are not hostile that would bite you if you hold them, you could even pick them up and blow them softly to make them sleep like that in the picture. We don't have suits or gloves, heck we even go to mountain sides without even wearing any tops. The only thing we should worry about is snakes and this leaf called "lipa", also called here in our country, "lipang kalabaw", "alingatong" or in english, tropical wood nettles based on google. Oh and yeah, I should add our mothers in there since they would be really furious when they knew we did that.

[AicecreaME]

Unless gambling is banned in your place, I don't think spider betting is that bad. As a kid, we've been doing that for years and we don't have a problem with that to the authorities. The barangay captain of our place even joins with our fun by cheering with us. It is just we are hard-headed and loves letting these spiders fight, that is just it.

Even if the baranggay captain joins you, that doesn't mean it's right. We all know that any form of gambling (that is illegal) will not be tolerated by the authority, and your baranggay captain know that but always ignored it since he has the power in your baranggay and no one will tell the police (hope so). Given the situation we are in right now, gambling is never the right thing to do especially to the kids, because they are prone to the virus like the senior citizens.

[shamimal93]

Spider bet!!! Sounds really ridiculous.  In the end, we are betting on spiders! This is really very ridiculous. Although it sounds ridiculous to hear, there are reasons for concern here.  It's really scary news for the future that little boys are getting involved in gambling.  At the age when they will be busy with field games, at that age they will be busy with spider betting.  Can anyone guarantee that they will not gamble in the future?

[Fredomago]

Unless gambling is banned in your place, I don't think spider betting is that bad. As a kid, we've been doing that for years and we don't have a problem with that to the authorities. The barangay captain of our place even joins with our fun by cheering with us. It is just we are hard-headed and loves letting these spiders fight, that is just it.

Even if the baranggay captain joins you, that doesn't mean it's right. We all know that any form of gambling (that is illegal) will not be tolerated by the authority, and your baranggay captain know that but always ignored it since he has the power in your baranggay and no one will tell the police (hope so). Given the situation we are in right now, gambling is never the right thing to do especially to the kids, because they are prone to the virus like the senior citizens.

That's the thing! not just the gamble that people should be concerned but the situation where virus can easily be transferred.

The gambling part is also scary as even in a small form of gambling this young generation can be exploit with more ways or forms of gambling their minds will be open for much bigger risk in coming future.

In part where government official is tolerating such acts he should be reported and be the first one to be jailed with his participation.

[TopTort777]

Spider bet!!! Sounds really ridiculous.  In the end, we are betting on spiders! This is really very ridiculous. Although it sounds ridiculous to hear, there are reasons for concern here.  It's really scary news for the future that little boys are getting involved in gambling.  At the age when they will be busy with field games, at that age they will be busy with spider betting.  Can anyone guarantee that they will not gamble in the future?

What if they dont have other games to play or toys and spider betting is the only way to be entertained. Remember what were you doing in your childhood when you were bored. Im sure that those who wrote here that these kids must be punished and gambling at their age is bad and can turn into addiction in future, had made worse things during their childhood. For these kids, spider betting is a sort of social competing.

[Mahanton]

Spider bet!!! Sounds really ridiculous.  In the end, we are betting on spiders! This is really very ridiculous. Although it sounds ridiculous to hear, there are reasons for concern here.  It's really scary news for the future that little boys are getting involved in gambling.  At the age when they will be busy with field games, at that age they will be busy with spider betting.  Can anyone guarantee that they will not gamble in the future?

Whats ridiculous about spider betting? Havent you heard out other way of gambling which do involves not only on spiders? How about some doggo fight?
For sure you have just only listened up for the first time but these games do actually exist and thats what make it called gambling yet all sorts of things that
do put up some money for them to bet then its considered to be one.Even on simplest decision in life do require it.This do talks as a whole about gambling addiction and with these youngsters who do get involved then theres no question that tendency of gambling addiction is there but it depends on how theyre fully
aware on the risk behind it.We do have our own will though and its up to them on how they do gonna handle theirselves.

[electronicash]

Spider bet!!! Sounds really ridiculous.  In the end, we are betting on spiders! This is really very ridiculous. Although it sounds ridiculous to hear, there are reasons for concern here.  It's really scary news for the future that little boys are getting involved in gambling.  At the age when they will be busy with field games, at that age they will be busy with spider betting.  Can anyone guarantee that they will not gamble in the future?

What if they dont have other games to play or toys and spider betting is the only way to be entertained. Remember what were you doing in your childhood when you were bored. Im sure that those who wrote here that these kids must be punished and gambling at their age is bad and can turn into addiction in future, had made worse things during their childhood. For these kids, spider betting is a sort of social competing.

there are worse gambling games we do when we were kids. apart from flipping coins and spider fights, we also bet to guess the dates like year when the coin was made. coins normally have year like 1990, 1995, 1998 and so on. we bet it on our palms and just bet and open the coin to check the year. spider fight is normal when you are in the Philippines. playing cards or mahjong is learned by kids as early as 12 in my town. but i guess it changed these days. this was back when there is no internet yet.

[hahay]

Stubbornness is certain, apart from ignoring the health protocols of gambling in a time like this pandemic, gambling itself is basically illegal in some countries and I don't know whether gambling in your place is legal or not. Whether it's betting involving animals or any media, gambling will always be a common activity in society, so it's no wonder that many minors are involved in such cases. I personally just don't like bets in the form of animal fights because it would be better like horse races and / or other animal races, not about fighting animals for a fight.

[STT]

Spiders are so tiny, sounds funny but I guess it fits for kids.    Sounds similar to coin throw or marble game people bet on sometimes and when I was younger we just did cards for small amounts.    People will always bet on something as risk is a natural factor in life, the government only misses out on possible revenue and taxes by not regulating the industry and providing some positive to oversight rather attempting to prevent the idea and achieving little.