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Solicitors told how to draw up Sharia-style wills penalising widows and non-believers

Islamic law is to be effectively enshrined in the British legal system for the first time under guidelines for solicitors on drawing up “Sharia compliant” wills.

Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances and exclude unbelievers altogether.

The documents, which would be recognised by Britain’s courts, will also prevent children born out of wedlock – and even those who have been adopted – from being counted as legitimate heirs.

Anyone married in a church, or in a civil ceremony, could be excluded from succession under Sharia principles, which recognise only Muslim weddings for inheritance purposes.

Nicholas Fluck, president of The Law Society, said the guidance would promote “good practice” in applying Islamic principles in the British legal system.

Some lawyers, however, described the guidance as “astonishing”, while campaigners warned it represented a major step on the road to a “parallel legal system” for Britain’s Muslim communities.

Baroness Cox, a cross-bench peer leading a Parliamentary campaign to protect women from religiously sanctioned discrimination, including from unofficial Sharia courts in Britain, said it was a “deeply disturbing” development and pledged to raise it with ministers.

“This violates everything that we stand for,” she said. “It would make the Suffragettes turn in their graves.”
The guidance, quietly published this month and distributed to solicitors in England and Wales, details how wills should be drafted to fit Islamic traditions while being valid under British law.

It suggests deleting or amending standard legal terms and even words such as “children” to ensure that those deemed “illegitimate” are denied any claim over the inheritance.

It recommends that some wills include a declaration of faith in Allah which would be drafted at a local mosque, and hands responsibility for drawing up some papers to Sharia courts.

The guidance goes on to suggest that Sharia principles could potentially overrule British practices in some disputes, giving examples of areas that would need to be tested in English courts.

Currently, Sharia principles are not formally addressed by or included in Britain’s laws.

However, a network of Sharia courts has grown up in Islamic communities to deal with disputes between Muslim families.
A few are officially recognised tribunals, operating under the Arbitration Act.

They have powers to set contracts between parties, mainly in commercial disputes, but also to deal with issues such as domestic violence, family disputes and inheritance battles.

But many more unofficial Sharia courts are also in operation.

Parliament has been told of a significant network of more informal Sharia tribunals and “councils”, often based in mosques, dealing with religious divorces and even child custody matters in line with religious teaching.

They offer “mediation” rather than adjudication, although some hearings are laid out like courts with religious scholars or legal experts sitting in a manner more akin to judges than counsellors.

One study estimated that there were now around 85 Sharia bodies operating in Britain. But the new Law Society guidance represents the first time that an official legal body has recognised the legitimacy of some Sharia principles.

It opens the way for non-Muslim lawyers in High Street firms to offer Sharia will drafting services. The document sets out crucial differences between Sharia inheritance laws and Western traditions.

It explains how, in Islamic custom, inheritances are divided among a set list of heirs determined by ties of kinship rather than named individuals. It acknowledges the possibility of people having multiple marriages.

“The male heirs in most cases receive double the amount inherited by a female heir of the same class,” the guidance says. “Non-Muslims may not inherit at all, and only Muslim marriages are recognised.

Similarly, a divorced spouse is no longer a Sharia heir, as the entitlement depends on a valid Muslim marriage existing at the date of death. This means you should amend or delete some standard will clauses.”

It advises lawyers to draft special exclusions from the Wills Act 1837, which allows gifts to pass to the children of an heir who has died, because this is not recognised in Islamic law.

Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said: “This guidance marks a further stage in the British legal establishment’s undermining of democratically determined human rights-compliant law in favour of religious law from another era and another culture. British equality law is more comprehensive in scope and remedies than any elsewhere in the world. Instead of protecting it, The Law Society seems determined to sacrifice the progress made in the last 500 years.”

Lady Cox said: “Everyone has freedom to make their own will and everyone has freedom to let those wills reflect their religious beliefs. But to have an organisation such as The Law Society seeming to promote or encourage a policy which is inherently gender discriminatory in a way which will have very serious implications for women and possibly for children is a matter of deep concern.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html


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Solicitors told how to draw up Sharia-style wills penalising widows and non-believers

Islamic law is to be effectively enshrined in the British legal system for the first time under guidelines for solicitors on drawing up “Sharia compliant” wills.

Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances and exclude unbelievers altogether.

The documents, which would be recognised by Britain’s courts, will also prevent children born out of wedlock – and even those who have been adopted – from being counted as legitimate heirs.

Anyone married in a church, or in a civil ceremony, could be excluded from succession under Sharia principles, which recognise only Muslim weddings for inheritance purposes.

Nicholas Fluck, president of The Law Society, said the guidance would promote “good practice” in applying Islamic principles in the British legal system.

Some lawyers, however, described the guidance as “astonishing”, while campaigners warned it represented a major step on the road to a “parallel legal system” for Britain’s Muslim communities.

Baroness Cox, a cross-bench peer leading a Parliamentary campaign to protect women from religiously sanctioned discrimination, including from unofficial Sharia courts in Britain, said it was a “deeply disturbing” development and pledged to raise it with ministers.

“This violates everything that we stand for,” she said. “It would make the Suffragettes turn in their graves.”
The guidance, quietly published this month and distributed to solicitors in England and Wales, details how wills should be drafted to fit Islamic traditions while being valid under British law.

It suggests deleting or amending standard legal terms and even words such as “children” to ensure that those deemed “illegitimate” are denied any claim over the inheritance.

It recommends that some wills include a declaration of faith in Allah which would be drafted at a local mosque, and hands responsibility for drawing up some papers to Sharia courts.

The guidance goes on to suggest that Sharia principles could potentially overrule British practices in some disputes, giving examples of areas that would need to be tested in English courts.

Currently, Sharia principles are not formally addressed by or included in Britain’s laws.

However, a network of Sharia courts has grown up in Islamic communities to deal with disputes between Muslim families.
A few are officially recognised tribunals, operating under the Arbitration Act.

They have powers to set contracts between parties, mainly in commercial disputes, but also to deal with issues such as domestic violence, family disputes and inheritance battles.

But many more unofficial Sharia courts are also in operation.

Parliament has been told of a significant network of more informal Sharia tribunals and “councils”, often based in mosques, dealing with religious divorces and even child custody matters in line with religious teaching.

They offer “mediation” rather than adjudication, although some hearings are laid out like courts with religious scholars or legal experts sitting in a manner more akin to judges than counsellors.

One study estimated that there were now around 85 Sharia bodies operating in Britain. But the new Law Society guidance represents the first time that an official legal body has recognised the legitimacy of some Sharia principles.

It opens the way for non-Muslim lawyers in High Street firms to offer Sharia will drafting services. The document sets out crucial differences between Sharia inheritance laws and Western traditions.

It explains how, in Islamic custom, inheritances are divided among a set list of heirs determined by ties of kinship rather than named individuals. It acknowledges the possibility of people having multiple marriages.

“The male heirs in most cases receive double the amount inherited by a female heir of the same class,” the guidance says. “Non-Muslims may not inherit at all, and only Muslim marriages are recognised.

Similarly, a divorced spouse is no longer a Sharia heir, as the entitlement depends on a valid Muslim marriage existing at the date of death. This means you should amend or delete some standard will clauses.”

It advises lawyers to draft special exclusions from the Wills Act 1837, which allows gifts to pass to the children of an heir who has died, because this is not recognised in Islamic law.

Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said: “This guidance marks a further stage in the British legal establishment’s undermining of democratically determined human rights-compliant law in favour of religious law from another era and another culture. British equality law is more comprehensive in scope and remedies than any elsewhere in the world. Instead of protecting it, The Law Society seems determined to sacrifice the progress made in the last 500 years.”

Lady Cox said: “Everyone has freedom to make their own will and everyone has freedom to let those wills reflect their religious beliefs. But to have an organisation such as The Law Society seeming to promote or encourage a policy which is inherently gender discriminatory in a way which will have very serious implications for women and possibly for children is a matter of deep concern.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html


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Caught this earlier.

Unbelieveable.

My $.02.

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March 24, 2014, 06:15:02 PM
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As far as I understand, aren't people already allowed to designate whoever they want as their beneficiary in their will? Seems like the tools are there already for someone to designate that all their assets be inherited by a male heir, or not inherited by an "unbeliever".

That being said, it's absurd that religious legal terminology and precedents should be getting incorporated into the UK's legal system.
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March 24, 2014, 06:29:48 PM
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As far as I understand, aren't people already allowed to designate whoever they want as their beneficiary in their will? Seems like the tools are there already for someone to designate that all their assets be inherited by a male heir, or not inherited by an "unbeliever".

That being said, it's absurd that religious legal terminology and precedents should be getting incorporated into the UK's legal system.

You may be right. If I write my daughter is half of a human being compared to her brother regarding my wealth, then this shall be the law of the land.
I did not know the tools for discrimination of any kind were legally binding thanks to a simple will.

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March 24, 2014, 06:33:32 PM
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Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs

No it isn't.
This title is completely wrong.
No law has been changed, all that has happened is that advice has been given on how to write wills within the current laws.

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March 24, 2014, 06:35:47 PM
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You may be right. If I write my daughter is half of a human being compared to her brother regarding my wealth, then this shall be the law of the land.
I did not know the tools for discrimination of any kind were legally binding thanks to a simple will.

You wouldn't write your daughter is half of a human being.

But if you wrote in your will that your son inherits 67% of your estate and your daughter inherits 33% of your estate, that is already allowable and your prerogative under current laws. There is no law stating that you must split your estate, or a portion thereof, equally among your children or other heirs.
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March 24, 2014, 06:40:47 PM
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there is nothing wrong in this. all this does is allow people to leave what is leave out favoritism and give to who what is in their rights. Unlike with british law. Such as. if someone is related by blood ties to someone then by Islamic law they deserve to have some of that persons assets after death. and cant be denied it. However if that relationship is broken then there is nothing to give. All thats being said there is within the british law while also within islamic teachings. nothing more nothing less

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March 24, 2014, 06:42:24 PM
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there is nothing wrong in this. all this does is allow people to leave what is leave out favoritism and give to who what is in their rights. Unlike with british law.

What 'british law' exactly is it that you think prevents this?
All that has happened is that guidance has been issued on how to write wills following British Law. It hasn't changed the law at all.

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March 24, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
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u took it out of context read again. British law allows people to say what everyone gets and what they can't by following both islamic law too. people do actually get what they deserve

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Yeah lay off the Faux News mate, can imagine all the islamophobes foaming at mouth at this non-story.
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To be fair, the deliberately misleading headline is directly from the Torygraph.

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March 25, 2014, 02:43:04 AM
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Oh Willy you're at it again... Is there nothing you enjoy more than posting hysterical headlines out of context?

TLDR:

- It is legal in many countries, including the UK to specify exactly who gets your money when you die

- Many muslim citizens wish to distribute their money according to sharia law

- Sharia 'law' has no legal standing whatsoever in the UK legal system, despite near-continuous assertions by paranoid right-wingers that "the muslamics" will be sneaking it through Parliament any day now.

- A professional association of lawyers (which also has no legal standing in the UK) has recently issued guidance to help lawyers write wills of this kind when clients ask for it.

All that being said, I would condemn people who choose to discriminate against their female relatives based on their backward religion.



Oh my dear Doggy,
I do enjoy your reactions to my threads for sure, as nothing in the world forces you to read and react to them. For the time you take to do this, away from your busy life I am grateful. But out of context? Nope. I usually copy paste an article that get my attention and, maybe I would add a personal reaction separated with a -------------from the original article.

Obviously you may have issues with the author of an article as I post articles I like AND articles I hate.

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Good step. Around 20% of the British schoolchildren are Muslim, and it will go up to 50% in 2050. So this step is welcome.  Grin
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Oh my dear Doggy,
I do enjoy your reactions to my threads for sure, as nothing in the world forces you to read and react to them. For the time you take to do this, away from your busy life I am grateful. But out of context? Nope. I usually copy paste an article that get my attention and, maybe I would add a personal reaction separated with a -------------from the original article.

Obviously you may have issues with the author of an article as I post articles I like AND articles I hate.

Don't worry, I enjoy it. Wink

But fair point, "out of context" isn't the right phrase to use. The author of the piece intended for the headline and opening statements to be misleading, and you are aiding/abetting by uncritically reposting it. And your '-----' response was to ask whether 'the UK' is capitulating to a terrorist attack by allowing private citizens to write wills.

No matter how insane my posts may be for some, we are all bitcoin lovers (excluding the NSA spooks and bankster pawns here on this forum). That is, after all, the real Big Picture  Grin
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I believe the controversy is that Sharia is the opposite of where the modern world wants to be and we are humouring those who wish to abide by it rather than ridiculing them. No?

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OP is idiotic.

Sharia law, like all religious doctrines is ridiculous, but either you accept religion exists or you don't. The power to draw up a Shariah compliant will is already granted under UK probate law. This is guidance on how to do it.

This isn't about enshrining Islamic law, this is about catering for the needs of a diverse society. We allow Muslims to be married by Imams, is this a parallel legal system? We have halal food - a parallel system? Islamic compliant financial institutions - a parallel system?

Even Israel, which has some of the worst anti-Muslim racism in the world, has state funded Sharia law courts and actually enforces parts of Shariah law.

And guess what - Bitcoin is very close to being Shariah compliant, and is actually more Sharia compliant than paper money. OMG - it's an Islamic conspiracy!!

I repeat: OP is idiotic.

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And guess what - Bitcoin is very close to being Shariah compliant, and is actually more Sharia compliant than paper money. OMG - it's an Islamic conspiracy!!

What sort of BS is this? Bitcoin is Shariah compilant? Perhaps Satoshi Nakamoto did a honors in Islamic theology before creating the Bitcoin. Just keep religion out of Bitcoin.  Angry
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What sort of BS is this? Bitcoin is Shariah compilant? Perhaps Satoshi Nakamoto did a honors in Islamic theology before creating the Bitcoin. Just keep religion out of Bitcoin.  Angry

Just pointing out the idiocy in the OP.

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OP is idiotic.

Sharia law, like all religious doctrines is ridiculous, but either you accept religion exists or you don't. The power to draw up a Shariah compliant will is already granted under UK probate law. This is guidance on how to do it.

This isn't about enshrining Islamic law, this is about catering for the needs of a diverse society. We allow Muslims to be married by Imams, is this a parallel legal system? We have halal food - a parallel system? Islamic compliant financial institutions - a parallel system?

Even Israel, which has some of the worst anti-Muslim racism in the world, has state funded Sharia law courts and actually enforces parts of Shariah law.

And guess what - Bitcoin is very close to being Shariah compliant, and is actually more Sharia compliant than paper money. OMG - it's an Islamic conspiracy!!

I repeat: OP is idiotic.

Yes, OP is idiotic. The article posted is not Smiley
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April 22, 2014, 11:44:34 PM
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What sort of BS is this? Bitcoin is Shariah compilant? Perhaps Satoshi Nakamoto did a honors in Islamic theology before creating the Bitcoin. Just keep religion out of Bitcoin.  Angry

Just pointing out the idiocy in the OP.

Bitcoin is not sharia compliant. Everybody knows that.  Grin
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