Anyone know a dice game that is actually fair?

[xenon131]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

Have a look on dicepoolbtc.com They  claim to be provably fair and charge relatively miserable fee of  3000 sat to winner of each round. This is p2p platform for dice gaming and, IMO, it is better that centralized one though even this is nor fully decentralized  and you should use it on your own risk.

[Chrystora123]

I am sure some trusted sites, especially gambling sites that hold a signature campaign on this forum, provide a "fair" dice game..  but for me personally, dice and slots are not so fair because I can't win the game with my own strategy and just surrender to fate (the numbers that come out of the machine) This is one of the reasons I don't really like Dice and slots..  I prefer skill-based gambling because my winnings depend on 30% strategy, 30% analysis, and 40% luck..

[btc78]

I am sure some trusted sites, especially gambling sites that hold a signature campaign on this forum, provide a "fair" dice game..  but for me personally, dice and slots are not so fair because I can't win the game with my own strategy and just surrender to fate (the numbers that come out of the machine) This is one of the reasons I don't really like Dice and slots..  I prefer skill-based gambling because my winnings depend on 30% strategy, 30% analysis, and 40% luck..

Most probably those who had been here for long,having their signature legitimately because there are also some Signature campaign wearing company but ended scammers or having issue of not being trusted.
regarding slot and dice game?of course there are more lose than win because those game are Luck based gambling that you must be lucky to win,things that is harder to have,I sometimes win in Dice specially in local gambling in which the dice has Color instead of numbers and i am lucky on that.

[mindrust]

. I naively informed the administrator with my evidence and instead of thanking or possibly rewarding the bug detection I just got banned and the site was soon shut down.

The moral point of the story: "no good deed goes unpunished!"

He must have panicked big time. If somebody else had found out that shitty design he would have lost everything he got there probably. You did the right thing by informing him but not everybody as honest as you. Some people would have ruined that casino not because it is right or wrong, just to punish his stupidity and teach him a valuable lesson. These things happen all the time. Actually that's the mindset of all hackers probably. They hack it because they can. Be smarter and build your system hack-proof. 

[matchi2011]

There have been many articles on the internet that explain how to check whether the system on the gambling site is fair or not.
But it is also difficult if we are indeed among those who do not understand technical things, My advice is to choose gambling sites
that are popular and have a good reputation. So there is no need to check the fairness of the gambling site, because usually gambling
sites that have a good reputation are fair.

There are many sites that are just promoted and thus become popular, but they are not fair at all, my advice is similar to yours, I would rather choose a site that has existed for a long time, in my opinion it is the best reputation that the site is fair. Sites that are visited by a lot of people is a good indicator that the site is fair.

Using old game site and being comfortable with how the team manage the business will give you enough confidence that you are playing the game without any doubt of being rigged.

All of us wanted to have a good ambience and a good treatment while playing the game, especially with how the team manage to give good assurance that they are not manipulating the outcome of every dice rolls.

[DoublerHunter]

I am sure some trusted sites, especially gambling sites that hold a signature campaign on this forum, provide a "fair" dice game..  but for me personally, dice and slots are not so fair because I can't win the game with my own strategy and just surrender to fate (the numbers that come out of the machine) This is one of the reasons I don't really like Dice and slots.  I prefer skill-based gambling because my winnings depend on 30% strategy, 30% analysis, and 40% luck..

^ Nah, that is not how works. Provably fair can be verified in every bet you had through the hash they given to the user. That is not mean that you never win they don't have provably fair. Probably you are not lucky enough to win on that kind of game because of the fact that they are based on luck games. Nevertheless, as long as you can verify every bet you had, that is probably fair enough for the user that they can evaluate what is provably fair on the system.

[johhnyUA]

^ Nah, that is not how works. Provably fair can be verified in every bet you had through the hash they given to the user. That is not mean that you never win they don't have provably fair. Probably you are not lucky enough to win on that kind of game because of the fact that they are based on luck games. Nevertheless, as long as you can verify every bet you had, that is probably fair enough for the user that they can evaluate what is provably fair on the system.

There some ways to manipulate with hashes too as i remember. For example, with predetermined things, where hash and result determined before it's given to you (i can be a little mistaken here, you know)

[malcovi2]

^ Nah, that is not how works. Provably fair can be verified in every bet you had through the hash they given to the user. That is not mean that you never win they don't have provably fair. Probably you are not lucky enough to win on that kind of game because of the fact that they are based on luck games. Nevertheless, as long as you can verify every bet you had, that is probably fair enough for the user that they can evaluate what is provably fair on the system.

There some ways to manipulate with hashes too as i remember. For example, with predetermined things, where hash and result determined before it's given to you (i can be a little mistaken here, you know)

If that is known then why arent the gambling websites are still up and running?

[perfect999]

Did you guys just change provably into probably and start talking about it like it's the casino's definition of fairness?  I just had to ask even though I know what i'm reading. It's so funny.

It is actually funny how lack of knowledge dragged the discussion from how provably works to how the casinos are probably fair .

Provably fair is not their definition or anything. It's simply a way of making the rolls random and visible to the player but encrypted so that the player cannot cheat.

You know what I tried to explain this many times but guys who are reluctant and don't want to understand always tell me that all these calculations can be manipulated and I remember how some guy at a casino once told me that the casino might have the the tool to decode sha and I actually left the chat after that because it was beyond my energy to explain him once he said that.

People enjoy calling probably fair as such casinos are promising they are fair but if they understand the concept they would never even question it again.

[Assface16678]

You only have two options whether you will wage into a higher roll into the lower roll.
You have two outcome winners or lose and choosing a fair game is too quite hard.
All you need to have is luck and probability to become a winner.

Every game has a different algorithm of high and low if you mastered those also I think there is a chance you will have a fair or win game.

I think its better to choose a gambling that gives a fair game and choose the best.

[Reatim]

You only have two options whether you will wage into a higher roll into the lower roll.
You have two outcome winners or lose and choosing a fair game is too quite hard.
All you need to have is luck and probability to become a winner.

and besides Gambling site owner will not allow having really fair because the chance of winning is 50% in which against their business rules.

Every game has a different algorithm of high and low if you mastered those also I think there is a chance you will have a fair or win game.

I think its better to choose a gambling that gives a fair game and choose the best.

And you cannot find those in slot machines,roulette and dice games.maybe other games like cards that will gives a fair chance.

[safari88]

don't quite understand what you are saying but i think most of the dice game have their verifier tools to check if they are fair or there's a guide on how to verify them and maybe you could use other website's tool to check if they are fair.

[South Park]

A five day losing streak is completely possible however I will be suspicious of it if that was my first time playing in a casino and I will try to verify the results but if you play daily as many people do then getting a 5 day losing streak is completely normal, what you need to do at that point is to not try to recover your money during the next day since many times that ends up being a recipe for disaster as people lose their patience and try to recover all the money they lost in a single day and that is when massive losses are incurred.

If you play nonstop 24/7 not only 5 days losing streak but entire life losing streak may happen.  I don't know how the gambling program works but I noticed especially in slots, the longer a player play, the lesser the chance of a winning combination to appear. So it seems that the longer a player play the more likely he get busted in a casino.

This is called the law of large numbers, basically what this means is that as the number of tries go up the closer you will get to the expected probability of a particular game, what this means is that if you only roll a dice 100 times then you are bound to see huge differences between your results and the expected probability of the game but if you roll the dice one million times then the results will be incredibly close to the expected values, this is the way casinos make money and as you can guess it is what it makes players lose money over the long term.

[dunfida]

You only have two options whether you will wage into a higher roll into the lower roll.
You have two outcome winners or lose and choosing a fair game is too quite hard.
All you need to have is luck and probability to become a winner.

Every game has a different algorithm of high and low if you mastered those also I think there is a chance you will have a fair or win game.

I think its better to choose a gambling that gives a fair game and choose the best.

This is where people should stick into known or reputable sites and they would really get rid of this problem where they do end up on shady sites.When we do stick into known ones then we can presume out
that were dealing with fair stuff on here.I cant say 100% safe or fair but at least the entire community does know that theyre doing the right thing.You can eventually differentiate if theres something
wrong into your best.About probability then we can adjust it out since on a dice game we can hover it out depending on what multiplier we do prefer but the thing what makes it hard where
house edge do comes in which is normal yet this is the main source of revenue of gambling sites and this is the reason the longer time you do spend the more risk you are putting yourself into.

[jostorres]

If we play dice games in the short run and we win a few times, I think the gambling site is fair enough.

Not really because if the rolls are rigged they might make you win initially to feel you assured and once you start betting big, you get wrecked by the casino with rigged rolls.

don't expect to beat gambling sites by playing dice, their system is designed so that we often lose.

True but there have been instances in past like dicebitco.in scammed their players by rigging rolls so you never know if despite playing against the edge the house is still fair or not. They used to skip winning rolls and make gamblers lose.

don't play dice games for too long, and if you manage to win several times, don't continue playing again.
Immediately withdraw the profit you get.

That's correct in general as what you withdraw is the only profit basically but this has nothing to do with rigged casino. I bet on known casinos but even then I suddenly verify few rolls randomly to make sure the casino is legit and fair.

[ReiMomo]

don't quite understand what you are saying but i think most of the dice game have their verifier tools to check if they are fair or there's a guide on how to verify them and maybe you could use other website's tool to check if they are fair.

That's right, you can check on your own if the dice is legitimately operating and giving the correct hash and it's not manipulated by the gambling operators.

When you start rooling the dice, the site will provide you a server seed and string converted to become hash which is players can able to verify on it. In you browser, it will generate randomly a hash per bet and it should not repeatedly have result, 1 roll per 1 hash provided. So, if you know how to verify provably fair system works, you will I guess easily identify the true essence of provably fair in dice gambling.

[Sadlife]

when you cash out i supposed that means to withdrew . how can they rape you if your gonna withdrew ? betting bigger does not also make the system cheat you unless they are built to do that . never has beaten the house but you can win more the moment you already won , that is if you got lucky  .

 so many dice games now are provably fair but  not to the point that they are actually fair to give you more winning easily .

Dice games are built with programs using algorithms, in fact someone posted here in this section those algorithms because he was looking to get hired with his development skills, So the results are not completely random, we do not know if the house or game is completely legit. Or they just want to milk all your money out of you. That's why skill based games are more preferred or sports betting because its much more trustworthy.

[arwin100]

when you cash out i supposed that means to withdrew . how can they rape you if your gonna withdrew ? betting bigger does not also make the system cheat you unless they are built to do that . never has beaten the house but you can win more the moment you already won , that is if you got lucky  .

 so many dice games now are provably fair but  not to the point that they are actually fair to give you more winning easily .

Dice games are built with programs using algorithms, in fact someone posted here in this section those algorithms because he was looking to get hired with his development skills, So the results are not completely random, we do not know if the house or game is completely legit. Or they just want to milk all your money out of you. That's why skill based games are more preferred or sports betting because its much more trustworthy.

The question is not based on difference of sports betting and dice but the one asked by OP is the fair dice games available. And for that matters it's good for us to go with casino's which have large number of communities,active support and also exist for such a long time since on that casino we can rely a little bit that they are legit and fair.

[Eureka_07]

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The question is not based on difference of sports betting and dice but the one asked by OP is the fair dice games available. And for that matters it's good for us to go with casino's which have large number of communities,active support and also exist for such a long time since on that casino we can rely a little bit that they are legit and fair.

And the house edge of casinos are most probably enough for them to win over their players in a long run.
If they happen to do some kind of cheating, sooner or later their company will be sued and taken down.
It's hard to hide anything in cyberspace specially if it is cheating.

Compromising their legitimacy over some kind of cheating will absolutely result to huge decline over the trust of players on their casino.
So better to rely on their house edge.

[ShowOff]

The question is not based on difference of sports betting and dice but the one asked by OP is the fair dice games available. And for that matters it's good for us to go with casino's which have large number of communities,active support and also exist for such a long time since on that casino we can rely a little bit that they are legit and fair.

Proving to be fair is one of the must-have features of a gambling site. This is the best way to make customers believe that the site is fair to all players. I think if the site doesn't have this then I dare not say that the site is fair to all players. All player on the site can verify that they are really getting justice in the game.
Fairness is not on the popularity of a gambling site, but on sites that uphold the trust of customer in it. So in my opinion site fairness is a must for all player.

Roobet offers this, I guess you can check it out too. https://roobet.com/fair
The same is true of the Duelbits website. https://duelbits.com/fairness