Anyone know a dice game that is actually fair?

[arbmarket]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

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[Ucy]

If by Statistically Fair Games you mean games that fully apply the real provable fair feature, then I wonder what it has to do with withdrawal fund(cash anything out?) or maybe you mean something else?
If you notice that things don't look fair with bigger bets, you could verify that the betting site actually apply the provable fair feature properly. I believe there are tutorials on verifying the provable fairness posted here before... Or maybe you could search on the web  "how to verify my bets provable fairness" or something...

[imstillthebest]

when you cash out i supposed that means to withdrew . how can they rape you if your gonna withdrew ? betting bigger does not also make the system cheat you unless they are built to do that . never has beaten the house but you can win more the moment you already won , that is if you got lucky  .

 so many dice games now are provably fair but  not to the point that they are actually fair to give you more winning easily .

[Lakai01]

If by Statistically Fair Games you mean games that fully apply the real provable fair feature -snip-

What exactly do you mean by "real provably fair feature" here?
"Provably Fair" has absolutely nothing to do with statistical probabilities of how often you win or lose. It only means that the outcome of the bets is traceable and can be calculated. Here is the statement from Bustadice:


(Link is embedded in the image, just click it)

There are scripts and browser add-ons that calculate the outcome of the bets and check if they are really "fair" and if the casino is not cheating you. Here I can also recommend BTCGosu.com, they also offer such calculators. Definitely worth a look.

[stadus]

The thread title seem to be off with your explanation.

Can clarify what you really meant, if you are asking if dice games are actually fair? My answer is yes if you are playing in a reputable gambling site as they have provably fair and that doesn't mean also that you'll win easily because though it's fair, the house always has the edge, they don't need to cheat to win, the advantage is already enough.

[Mauser]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

So far I haven't come across any completely fair dice game. It was either a scam or the casino is taking some fees. A casino offering games without any fees at all seems a it unrealistic. Running a casino cost money, you need servers and infrastructure, technicians, IT and general support. I would always expect something to be wrong if there is no rake or house edge.

[swogerino]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

I think you are referring to online dice sites and anything online is software controlled by an algorithm.It is common to win more with the lowest bet than with the high one.When you raise the bet rarely you see winning outcomes and this applies to all software controlled games.

It is also normal for casinos to ask for withdrawal fees but the big ones make sure to pay our withdrawal fees.

[iv4n]

Luckily, or maybe luck doesn't have anything with that, in crypto gambling we have provably fair, and we can verify are the bets provably fair or not! I will share with you "Provably Fair Verifier – Verify Your Bets" tool at BTCGOSU. You can check the choice of the best places where you can play dice game, you can compare the sites, and if you don't like their choice you can try any site and try to check fairness of the few random bets by yourself!

[Tipstar]

There are many dice and gambling sites that sticks to their house edge and does not change anything depending on the users or results.
Every sites with a legit crypto gambling foundation badge are provably fair and some others well know sites that are not on the foundation yet know for their fairness. An unfair site would not survive for long and if you encountered any old gambling site with a good number of users, you could be sure it's provably fair.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

There are many dice and gambling sites that sticks to their house edge and does not change anything depending on the users or results.
Every sites with a legit crypto gambling foundation badge are provably fair and some others well know sites that are not on the foundation yet know for their fairness. An unfair site would not survive for long and if you encountered any old gambling site with a good number of users, you could be sure it's provably fair.

You have a point. A gambling site will not take long if some users already find out that the gambling site that they are playing is not fair enough to play. I think every dice game in a gambling site always stick on their house edge and its all a game of chance, so it seems fair that they are giving every player an equal probability of winning.

[kryptqnick]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

While a certain amount of skepticism towards casinos is, of course, a good thing, if a casino is reputable and has a provably fair mechanism implemented, you shouldn't think they're scamming you. The whole point of 'provably fair' is that you can check to make sure anytime. And reputation is good to know that you'll be able to withdraw your winnings when the time comes. If you're losing and you think it's because the casino's unfair, it's probably not the reason. Purely mathematically, it's how dice works. You cannot beat the odds, and there's a very low probability of systematically winning. If you take a website like Primedice or Stake, I don't think they're scamming people.

[Taskford]

There are many dice and gambling sites that sticks to their house edge and does not change anything depending on the users or results.
Every sites with a legit crypto gambling foundation badge are provably fair and some others well know sites that are not on the foundation yet know for their fairness. An unfair site would not survive for long and if you encountered any old gambling site with a good number of users, you could be sure it's provably fair.

You have a point. A gambling site will not take long if some users already find out that the gambling site that they are playing is not fair enough to play. I think every dice game in a gambling site always stick on their house edge and its all a game of chance, so it seems fair that they are giving every player an equal probability of winning.

This is simple to think since if we are worried about the fairness of the casino then we should go to old with huge number of players as tipstar said since we can assure that they will not wreck their players and they will also protect their casino for any of bad comments to the users since they have a reputation that they need to protect. We simply avoid those new casinos since we don't know their fairness yet and they are the one who mostly scam their users.

[Coin_trader]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

It's very rare to see a success story here in dice game. Most of the high roller are rare to post something about there personal stats in the game. I don't know what is your measurement to be consider as high roller but during my gambling days way back 2017 in bitsler. I won 4BTC total for a 1 month game and I withdraw and deposit multiple times. I just stop playing DICE when I lose half of my profit which is 2BTC within a day only.

[AicecreaME]

I'm afraid fair DICE GAME (gambling site) doesn't exist, I mean they may be put " Probably Fair" but they are just sugarcoating it so that many players will think that it's safe to play Dice game on them, but the truth is, they are not. Gambling sites would never let you off the hook that easy when you won big amount of money, you might be lucky for one day, but the revenge will be worst.

The most safest way I think is to lielow for a day when you won a big profit then explore other gambling site and play on them, then go back the other day to your original turf gambling site.

[Questat]

I'm afraid fair DICE GAME (gambling site) doesn't exist, I mean they may be put " Probably Fair" but they are just sugarcoating it so that many players will think that it's safe to play Dice game on them, but the truth is, they are not. Gambling sites would never let you off the hook that easy when you won big amount of money, you might be lucky for one day, but the revenge will be worst.

There's only two answers, it's fair or not, if you believe it's not fair, they are cheating and we don't want a gambling site that cheats.. but look at how progressive the gambling site now, even those who started solely on dice, they grew overtime, that is because people believe they are fair and they understand the house edge as well.

[posi]

I'm afraid fair DICE GAME (gambling site) doesn't exist, I mean they may be put " Probably Fair" but they are just sugarcoating it so that many players will think that it's safe to play Dice game on them, but the truth is, they are not.

No hard feels.
I will count you as ignorant gambler because the probably fair procedures is obvious but doesnt guarantee the winning level of gambler when playing games it just a way to verify if the gambling site are honest with their results. Mind you, the chance of winning in very gambling games is 1%.

Gambling sites would never let you off the hook that easy when you won big amount of money, you might be lucky for one day, but the revenge will be worst.

Loosing a game was not revenge cause every game are already program on the system used by gambling which the reason probably fair was introduced so that gamblers can know the site that cheat.

The most safest way I think is to lielow for a day when you won a big profit

It good to skip the game for sometime even when loosing either.

[mindrust]

They are designed to fuck you over because they have a house edge.

It is their business model.

If you want to be on the winning side, be the investor of a casino (be the house)

[milewilda]

I'm afraid fair DICE GAME (gambling site) doesn't exist, I mean they may be put " Probably Fair" but they are just sugarcoating it so that many players will think that it's safe to play Dice game on them, but the truth is, they are not. Gambling sites would never let you off the hook that easy when you won big amount of money, you might be lucky for one day, but the revenge will be worst.

There's only two answers, it's fair or not, if you believe it's not fair, they are cheating and we don't want a gambling site that cheats.. but look at how progressive the gambling site now, even those who started solely on dice, they grew overtime, that is because people believe they are fair and they understand the house edge as well.

Fairness is one of the biggest or main factors on where people do really choose up on where they would tend to play and its normal that they do easily skip out when they do saw that theyve been ripped off with the site
gradually.Majority do only make out generalization when it comes on telling that the site is fair if they do saw that there are lots of people who do play on it.There are tools which can be used on where you can
verify those bets if you are in doubt and some of them had already integrated on the site itself which you can prove it out yourself.

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

It doesnt matter because everything would happen randomly neither you do make big bets or small ones.Talking about dice game which is purely depending on luck.Even if you do bet on micro level just
because you do believe that the risk is lesser then think again twice because it doesnt really work that way.About on beating the house and getting crushed on the second time?
Its not an uncommon thing yet you can either be on greens or deep reds everytime you do play.

[Sadlife]

Dice games are really by chance, unless you can predict the outcome of every single roll. You should have just cash out when you're in a winstreak. Although there's really a control panel to increase difficultly. As in what i've seen in the past thread here. I think there's certain algorithm's they use like "double bet then loss" and many more one of the dev offers this types of services.

[shield132]

Games aren't created and implemented in casino like: Hey, this game sounds pretty good, let's create it. There is math behind every game. Casino isn't a charity or donator to help poor people to make money. It offers services, a place where you can play. Amount of money is your choice, whether it will be some bucks or even lower or serious amount of money. You are an adult who can find difference between 0.001 and 1 usd or bitcoin. You can analyze how much to bet and how much can you afford.

If you can't beat the house it doesn't mean that game isn't actually fair. You can't beat house anyway, only luck can help you.

[ryzaadit]

Wanna real fair and not skeptical with "Dice Game" from the written code, then go to "Live" gambling. If you do not believe on SHA-256 provably fair and still overthinking about the result. Why not playing on "Real Live" Dice, you can try to look "Lightning Dice" from Evolution Gaming as you know it they roll the dice live so the resul was really fair not gonna complain anymore.

[pakhitheboss]

I have not heard any online gambling game which is actually fair, I only know that they are all probably fair. Being fair does not affect a game outcome. Dice games are easy to understand but are the most tricky one. Withdrawl on most gambling sites are instant if you achieve the minimum amount they have nothing to do with fairness.

[arallmuus]

I'm afraid fair DICE GAME (gambling site) doesn't exist, I mean they may be put " Probably Fair" but they are just sugarcoating it so that many players will think that it's safe to play Dice game on them,

You should probably restrain yourself to write anything about this in the future. Look, It is PROVABLY FAIR and not PROBABLY and this means it is PROVABLE to be fair. The result will still be random but you have the ability to prove if it is actually random (fair) or rigged. It is silly to read this but I do feel the urge to correct it

I have not heard any online gambling game which is actually fair, I only know that they are all probably fair. Being fair does not affect a game outcome.

It is PROVABLY fair and its not probably. Yes fair/ provably fair doesnt mean that you will win the game but atleast you have the ability to check the result. I'd rather lose but it is actually a fair game rather than not

[arbmarket]

I know they all have an edge. I am talking about a game where the stated odds are 49.7% meaning a house edge on of 0.3%. In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

I should preface this with that I did have a couple incredible runs on this game in the past. Variance just catching up?

[harizen]

I know they all have an edge. I am talking about a game where the stated odds are 49.7% meaning a house edge on of 0.3%. In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

Are you are questioning why should a gambler experience consecutive losses for numerous streaks? Or how often should it happen?

It really happened as both sides do have % to happen. Let's put it like this, as long as you can confirm and verify the fairness each of those rolls, should be no question asked about the output and results even losing 20+ in a row.

It really happened and that's the reality in playing against the house.

[cabron]

If you lose to a bet, there are ways to verify the result of the dice. I'm sure you have found how way to learn the provably fair system which most casinos will provide the encrypted hash. Here's a good page for it www.provablyfair.me/verify-bets/

There is also this thread here seems to have detailed it all regarding those seeds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227525.0

[PhilEilhart]

This might appear like nit-picking, but there are really classes you'll be able take in Las Vegas that give tips to slide instead of roll dice to force a certain result. This can be why casinos require that you just bounce the dice off the back bumper of a craps table.

[adzino]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

-snip- So far I haven't come across any completely fair dice game. It was either a scam or the casino is taking some fees. -snip-

Casino taking fees doesn't mean that they are scamming. If they take fees without letting anyone know (might include in their ToS or FAQ), then you can call them a scam. But I doubt anyone does that.
I seriously doubt that you "never" came across a real casino. I mean you are advertising for a casino in your signature and avatar. Aren't they completely fair?

[shoreno]

-snip- So far I haven't come across any completely fair dice game. It was either a scam or the casino is taking some fees. -snip-

Casino taking fees doesn't mean that they are scamming. If they take fees without letting anyone know (might include in their ToS or FAQ), then you can call them a scam. But I doubt anyone does that.

every gambling site does require a fee and that fee is withdrawal fee . house edge can also be another form of fee because this is the way that casino earns .

 as long as both of the withdrawal fees and house edge are not too much and add in if the site is provably fair ,  i still think that the casino is worth it to spend money  on

[arbmarket]

If you lose to a bet, there are ways to verify the result of the dice. I'm sure you have found how way to learn the provably fair system which most casinos will provide the encrypted hash. Here's a good page for it www.provablyfair.me/verify-bets/

There is also this thread here seems to have detailed it all regarding those seeds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227525.0

Thanks Carbon. That explainer threat is the closest to what I was looking for in this thread. 

All you guys were helpful I am just not very technical. Learning.

[MCobian]

In my opinion, gambling sites that are popular and have a good reputation are actually fair, but what you mean is fair doesn't mean
you are playing dice easy to win. Then every time you make a withdrawal, of course there is a fee, it doesn't mean they will rob us.
Just like exchanges are going to make a withdrawal, there must be a fee too. And there are many ways to check the gambling sites that
we use to play dice games, fair or not. You can search this forum or search the internet, there are many ways to check the fairness of
gambling sites. So during this time I played dice games on several gambling sites there was no problem with fairness.

[suzanne5223]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

Gambling is a game of chance the best to do control ones buzz and when to stop. The new dice site i know is chips.gg and they offer good probably fair game. However, the best part is that gambler always win even when lost the game cause they give players chips according to game played and the chips can be used for receiving dividends from the site profit if unlock.

[chaser15]

In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

No one can say as each bet is following a certain random algorithm.

It will really create doubts about fairness if someone got hit 5 times, 10 times, 15 times losing in a row but as mentioned above, if we are able to verify those bets are true then we don't have a choice but to accept the loss. That's how risky dealing in a gambling game against the house.

I advise you to learn how provably fair works so that you will be aware of those.

[Pamadar]

In my opinion, gambling sites that are popular and have a good reputation are actually fair, but what you mean is fair doesn't mean
you are playing dice easy to win. Then every time you make a withdrawal, of course there is a fee, it doesn't mean they will rob us.
Just like exchanges are going to make a withdrawal, there must be a fee too. And there are many ways to check the gambling sites that
we use to play dice games, fair or not. You can search this forum or search the internet, there are many ways to check the fairness of
gambling sites. So during this time I played dice games on several gambling sites there was no problem with fairness.

I agree to that, most of those reputable dice house can be trusted as they are caring about the future of their business.

Every dice house wanted to have a good relationship with every gamblers who uses their platform making sure that customer have
a satisfying stay and not to feel being cheated. They always benefited with this kind of treatment and for sure they will take care of it.

[dimonstration]

If you lose to a bet, there are ways to verify the result of the dice. I'm sure you have found how way to learn the provably fair system which most casinos will provide the encrypted hash. Here's a good page for it www.provablyfair.me/verify-bets/

There is also this thread here seems to have detailed it all regarding those seeds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227525.0

There are casinos who also provide provably fair calculator, though I'm not sure if many use it when they lose in playing sometimes it's just an add ons of the casino to show they are offering provably fair calculator for some legit check. Links above can help those who are very particular in fairness of playing. But for me, I prefer to jsut play and test my luck in dice that makes my head aches in studying its fairness. I don't think also there is actually fair as the house controls the casino and games.

[goinmerry]

I know they all have an edge. I am talking about a game where the stated odds are 49.7% meaning a house edge on of 0.3%. In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

We can't determine this beforehand. Even by a higher winning chance, consecutive losing is always possible.

That's how random hashes work. We think we are being cheated because of several losing streaks but in reality, it's a product of fair random seed.

Not new for a dice player to think like this. Before, there are even threads complaining a 10 roll losing streak that was played on a reputable, famous and big site.

[Astvile]

I know they all have an edge. I am talking about a game where the stated odds are 49.7% meaning a house edge on of 0.3%. In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

It is basically a 50/50 game almost, so no one can predict what are the odds of you losing more than 11 in a row but it may happen. Those results are randomly generated so we cant really know. I once lose 9x in a 80% chance so anything may happen specially in dice games.

They are designed to fuck you over because they have a house edge.

It is their business model.

I agreed to this, I already tried experimenting on different odds available and ended up losing in the long run no matter how much odds are on my side, no casino is fair in these kind of games. Casinos are not made for players to get rich remember that.

[maydna]

If you lose to a bet, there are ways to verify the result of the dice. I'm sure you have found how way to learn the provably fair system which most casinos will provide the encrypted hash. Here's a good page for it www.provablyfair.me/verify-bets/

There is also this thread here seems to have detailed it all regarding those seeds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227525.0

Thanks Carbon. That explainer threat is the closest to what I was looking for in this thread. 

All you guys were helpful I am just not very technical. Learning.

I suggest you not think much about provably fair because that can make you spend much time to verify, and you can't enjoy and have fun in the game. If you only want to check the provably fair on every gambling site, you need to visit one by one at the site to check it. I won't do that because my reason for playing dice games is to have fun and enjoy the game without thinking about the provably fair.

But in the dice games, you will need more chances to win, which means you need the luck to win, no matter if the site is provably fair or not. Perhaps, you can explain more details of what you want to know to get a detailed answer.

[Wexnident]

I know they all have an edge. I am talking about a game where the stated odds are 49.7% meaning a house edge on of 0.3%. In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

I should preface this with that I did have a couple incredible runs on this game in the past. Variance just catching up?

Plain luck, Variance plays no matter in this imo. The moment you think of that, you'd start thinking that luck actually follows a logical path and would then start making logical decisions for it, thinking that it's luck, but it's not. A game may have a 50/50 chance, but losing 20 times or more in a row is completely understandable. A dice game does not increase your chance of winning based on the amounts of loss you've had, it's always a 50/50 chance per round. Thinking that because you've had lost multiple times in a row is because of variance catching up is stupid.

Just don't play in the long run, that always guarantees a loss no matter what due to the casino has a house edge. Other than that, there's not much you can do in terms of actually playing luck-based games. That is if you can negotiate with casinos to decrease your losses so that you have the edge instead of them, though that mostly just happens on physical casinos and mostly famous gamblers are the ones that get introduced to such benefits.

[Johnyz]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

The house will always win so no matter what strategies you are using they will still find a way to collect money from you but of course many are still offering at least a fair gambling site.

You can try to play on Roobet and Bustadice, they are one of the reputable gambling site and I played with them so far I didn't experience any problem on playing with them. Fair gambling site is a must, so its good that you play with them and I suggest to still have your self-control so you wont regret losing money and stop being greedy.

[maxreish]

You mean, dice are being so rigged after you withdraw some coins?
 If you wanted to check if your bets are fair, you can always verify bets so you may know if it's really a fair dice game or not. I've been experiencing many worst losses after withdrawing, but that has nothing to do with the fairness of dice, I think.
 As you know, we tend to win in a casino. It's just that, most of us don't know when to stop after winning ended up losing.
 
 Check this out, it may help you understand how probably fair dice explained and work as fair.

[Rengga Jati]

The house will always win so no matter what strategies you are using they will still find a way to collect money from you but of course many are still offering at least a fair gambling site.

I think it's too much to say that. Because, if this always happened, then no one would want to play at Dice.

The chance to win at Dice is still there. We may indeed have a smaller chance than the house. However, that does not mean "never".
Whatever the strengths and weaknesses in this Dice should really be considered. I think the main factor here is probably about "luck", the rest is strategy and opportunity.

We can see various sites with trusted and professional dice gambling. Many gamblers can enjoy and play very well. But, once you don't believe in Dice gambling, never come to them again and never gamble at dice again. because, if you force to do so, you will get hurt every time you lost.

[Google+]

You mean, dice are being so rigged after you withdraw some coins?
 If you wanted to check if your bets are fair, you can always verify bets so you may know if it's really a fair dice game or not. I've been experiencing many worst losses after withdrawing, but that has nothing to do with the fairness of dice, I think.
 As you know, we tend to win in a casino. It's just that, most of us don't know when to stop after winning ended up losing.
 
 Check this out, it may help you understand how probably fair dice explained and work as fair.

well the problem is that when you have benefited from the winnings you get it will be difficult to stop and keep trying to get more profit, but sometimes gambling places have installed several scrpits which may not be easy to know by making the user who already has profit from the capital used will be made to lose and always lose, I think when you get 50% profit, it's better to leave and don't use that account again.

[Ucy]

What exactly do you mean by "real provably fair feature" here?

Sites can definitely pretend to be using actual provable fair feature, while they don't. So any site that implement the fair/good provable feature can be said to be using the real feature. That is what I mean above.

Provably Fair" has absolutely nothing to do with statistical probabilities of how often you win or lose.

I didnt say that^. Read my post carefully to understand it.
I think what Op means by statistically fair games, are games he thinks are fair, probably with his own/sites measurement of fairness. A real Provable Fair feature would be a proper way to check a betting site's provable fairness

[mu_enrico]

I think the problem with all the accusations is about the wrong understanding of provably fair. Let's say there is no HE so that the odds would be 50:50. People like to think that after ten bets, the result would be five highs and five lows. That's not the case. People should think that every bet is an independent event.

Provably fair guaranteed after users change the seeds, the outcome of the next bet would be unknown (even to the casino operator if users use their own client seed). It doesn't matter if the result would be ten consecutive highs or lows.

[Amel]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

The first thing you need to keep in mind here is which site you are betting on. First of all you need to prioritize a good betting site to find out. The dice games are on the many betting site but you need to know better about the betting site first. But if you can choose the right site, then there is no chance of being cheated.

[leea-1334]

I will not talk about yolodice since it is obvious I am a supporter and investor there of course I will be biased about it. I also will not talk about any other site where I have investment but my experience has actually been,,, if the site has a provably fair algorithm and it does check out, I have never had problems.

I overall lost money of course, but at some sites overall I am in profit, so obviously in long term I know I must lose to house edge. Which is also why overall I see profit in investments.

Many dice sites here on this forum are fair. Everyone of them has people complaining but you cannot challenge mathematics.

[Ridwan Fauzi]

Did you get this situation when you play dice only?

I play dice a couple of times in a week but until now I never feel that I was rigged or whatever it says although I got lost many times. Because I play gambling which has a decent percent to get win and the rest it all about my luck. Yeah, I often, and until now even I always use my strategy in all my bet but the chance to get win is smaller than I got loss. This is why I never have a high expectation to get win, just play and use money that I can afford to lose, and that is enough to me.

[Shasha80]

Even if gambling sites prove fair in dice games, it's still impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. So if you have managed
to get a large enough profit, don't continue playing dice with that account. That's what I did when playing dice games, but from several
gambling sites that were promoting on this forum. All proved fair when I checked.

[matchi2011]

Even if gambling sites prove fair in dice games, it's still impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. So if you have managed
to get a large enough profit, don't continue playing dice with that account. That's what I did when playing dice games, but from several
gambling sites that were promoting on this forum. All proved fair when I checked.

The management manage to advertise around the forum to attract gamblers, providing ways to let gamblers to check their
system in terms of fairness.
And like what you have said, in the long run even how fair the house was H.E will kill you if you played longer, you need to
quit while you are still in positive.

[South Park]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

There are many websites like that, I am not going to recommend you one of them because they are very easy to find, just look for dice sites that are popular and that have been around in the market for years, if they were cheating their customers then we will know by now, however I do not know if you have a mistaken idea of what it means probably fair, that does not mean you have the same winning chance than the house, those games still have a house edge and you will still lose your money over the long term.

[dothebeats]

Provably-fair has nothing to do with your odds of winning or losing. It’s there for you to check whether the session that you are playing currently is valid and legitimate by checking the hash and see if the expected outcome is the same as what the site displays. Withdraws have nothing to do with your luck, and perhaps those are just coincidences that happen at the same time. Same with increasing the size of your bet. These are completely unrelated to the outcome of the dice session, and if it is rigged then people would have noticed and have investigated immediately and these sites would be down by now.

[Saint-loup]

I know they all have an edge. I am talking about a game where the stated odds are 49.7% meaning a house edge on of 0.3%. In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

I should preface this with that I did have a couple incredible runs on this game in the past. Variance just catching up?

Losing 11 times in a row at a dice game is something that happens very rarely.
You should think about a tree diagram
You have 50.3% chances to lose at the first round, 50.3% x 50.3% the 2 first rounds, 50.3%³ to lose the 3 first rounds etc.
It means you have (50.3%)¹¹=0.052% chances to lose 11times in a row

           win (49.7%x49.7%)
 win (49.7%)
           lose (49.7%x50.3%)

           win (50.3%x49.7%)
 lose (50.3%)
           lose (50.3%x50.3%)

[Viscore]

Have you said that winning over the house is fair for you? It is likely not. They will make gambling as a milking place from every player. Yes, someone won the jackpot but don't we think that they collected more than the jackpot prize. It actually, gambling can't be fair, they are benefiting from this and they run their business successfully because of what they did. Isn't a way fo scamming, we don't have luck all the time that is why our winning chances are very slim but they are (always)?

[danherbias07]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

There's no such thing.
The house always wins.
It's like you want to rob them away with their business. Gambling sites will always have the upper hand.
But if you want to try your luck then you might really have it.
As long as you stop when you make profits. It will still depend on you.

[k@suy]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

There's no such thing.
The house always wins.
It's like you want to rob them away with their business. Gambling sites will always have the upper hand.
But if you want to try your luck then you might really have it.
As long as you stop when you make profits. It will still depend on you.

Nobody can tell of the game you are up into is legit or not because the cheats or the hidden are cannot be seen by our eyes co'z usually the game masters are good at manipulating the game and most of the games are literally manipulated by the game operator and they are just tricking us to earn a great amount of money.

[semobo]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

Here is a complete guide to find the fairness of your dice site : https://dicesites.com/provably-fair

But it seems you are not sure about the fairness in the crypto gambling sites where the sites cannot change the results which could beneficial for them, its just your factor and when you got luck then the bet will be on your side.

[Twinkledoe]

Have you said that winning over the house is fair for you? It is likely not. They will make gambling as a milking place from every player. Yes, someone won the jackpot but don't we think that they collected more than the jackpot prize. It actually, gambling can't be fair, they are benefiting from this and they run their business successfully because of what they did. Isn't a way fo scamming, we don't have luck all the time that is why our winning chances are very slim but they are (always)?

That's gambling business. The reason why casinos are thriving and we already know it. And yet, gamblers still play even if they know the odds of winning. Casinos have the advantage, the house edge. So if you don't want to lose money in gambling, then don't play. I guess, as simple as it is. And dice is a pure luck-based game, so don't expect that you will get rich from this game.

[Saint-loup]

I know they all have an edge. I am talking about a game where the stated odds are 49.7% meaning a house edge on of 0.3%. In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

I should preface this with that I did have a couple incredible runs on this game in the past. Variance just catching up?

CMIIW but it's the union of all the 6 out of 7 losing bets.
That is to say
LLLLLLW
LLLLLWL
LLLLWLL
LLLWLLL
LLWLLLL
LWLLLLL
WLLLLLL

The probability to get LLLLLLW is (50.3%)⁶x49.7%=0.8%
The probability to get LLLLLWL is (50.3%)⁵x49.7%x50.3%=0.8%
And it's the same for the 5 other combinations.

So the chances to get 6 losing bets out of 7 are 0.8%+0.8%+0.8%+0.8%+0.8%+0.8%+0.8%=7x0.8%=5.6%

[Ayiranorea]

Every Casino promote their service to be provably fair. Every Casino too have their own procedure to check the fairness of the roll. Just on the coincidence people believe in it. No one is sure, to what extent this is fair. With the trusted gambling site, it is good to spend unlike the fair functioning.

[Insanerman]

Every Casino promote their service to be provably fair. Every Casino too have their own procedure to check the fairness of the roll. Just on the coincidence people believe in it. No one is sure, to what extent this is fair. With the trusted gambling site, it is good to spend unlike the fair functioning.

Most of the casinos these days, the online casinos, are very fair. The probably fair of their casino is stated on their documents. There's nothing to worry if you will choose and stay on those casinos that are highly recommended and has a lots of good reviews. That is most the most case for online casinos. They are following a guideline about fairness between them and their players, but always, the house has the edge. That's still fair.

[pakhitheboss]

Every Casino promote their service to be provably fair. Every Casino too have their own procedure to check the fairness of the roll. Just on the coincidence people believe in it. No one is sure, to what extent this is fair. With the trusted gambling site, it is good to spend unlike the fair functioning.

That is correct every casino has its own definition of fairness and that is why they use the word probably fair as according to them they are fair to the gamblers. Playing on a trusted exchange only gives confidence in their fairness policy and nothing more.

[Darkelf11]

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That's gambling business. The reason why casinos are thriving and we already know it. And yet, gamblers still play even if they know the odds of winning. Casinos have the advantage, the house edge. So if you don't want to lose money in gambling, then don't play. I guess, as simple as it is. And dice is a pure luck-based game, so don't expect that you will get rich from this game.

Or if you want to earn quick money then play. The house might have the edge however, that does not mean they lose is guaranteed to the player. The fact that the house has the edge, makes the player lose in the long run if he/she will chose to play for many consecutive times without quitting or holding before playing again. Getting rich from gambling is not easy, but it's possible if you are too lucky.

[virasog]

Every Casino promote their service to be provably fair. Every Casino too have their own procedure to check the fairness of the roll. Just on the coincidence people believe in it. No one is sure, to what extent this is fair. With the trusted gambling site, it is good to spend unlike the fair functioning.

That is correct every casino has its own definition of fairness and that is why they use the word probably fair as according to them they are fair to the gamblers. Playing on a trusted exchange only gives confidence in their fairness policy and nothing more.

Every casino will claim to be "probably fair", even if they are not. I only prefer to play gambling on the old trusted casinos because everyone is sure about their fairness. Many new casinos may also be fair but it will take time when majority of the gamblers will trust them.

[FontSeli]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

Choose online casinos that have a good reputation and have been operating for a long time. It is there that you can be sure of the integrity of the game and everything will depend only on your luck. I don't want to advertise any one casino, you just need to read a few topics about casinos to find the site that you like the most.

[StephenJH]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

Choose online casinos that have a good reputation and have been operating for a long time. It is there that you can be sure of the integrity of the game and everything will depend only on your luck. I don't want to advertise any one casino, you just need to read a few topics about casinos to find the site that you like the most.

I have tried many dice game versions on different crypto gambling platforms but the best ones are Fortunejack and Roobet. The fairness button for changing the player and server seed is enough to convince myself I am not cheated by casino. Maybe trying one by one will give an idea which casino suits the OP's needs.

[FontSeli]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

Choose online casinos that have a good reputation and have been operating for a long time. It is there that you can be sure of the integrity of the game and everything will depend only on your luck. I don't want to advertise any one casino, you just need to read a few topics about casinos to find the site that you like the most.

I have tried many dice game versions on different crypto gambling platforms but the best ones are Fortunejack and Roobet. The fairness button for changing the player and server seed is enough to convince myself I am not cheated by casino. Maybe trying one by one will give an idea which casino suits the OP's needs.

I would be surprised if you didn't mention the Fortunejack site. 
I can't single out someone for various reasons, one of which is that I don't play dice very often. I don't like those games where everything depends entirely on luck.

[jrrsparkles]

Crypto gambling sites are actually fair so there is no way to cheat as you are assuming but in general you have less chance of winning which means all the other odds in the aide of house that is why you are losing more times than you won.

[Quidat]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

Choose online casinos that have a good reputation and have been operating for a long time. It is there that you can be sure of the integrity of the game and everything will depend only on your luck. I don't want to advertise any one casino, you just need to read a few topics about casinos to find the site that you like the most.

I have tried many dice game versions on different crypto gambling platforms but the best ones are Fortunejack and Roobet. The fairness button for changing the player and server seed is enough to convince myself I am not cheated by casino. Maybe trying one by one will give an idea which casino suits the OP's needs.

Majority wont really matter much on verifying as long they do stick out on the best or current popular dice sites then it wont matter but there are really people who are really serious when it comes to fairness issues.
Most of sites now do have their own verifiers but if still had in doubt then you can make use on other verifiers.I also agree that Roobet and FJ does have the things also in Crypto.games too where you can
verify bets if you do have those questions in mind but basing of into their reputation then i dont think that it would really be that much of an issue except on other fellas as well.

Crypto gambling sites are actually fair so there is no way to cheat as you are assuming but in general you have less chance of winning which means all the other odds in the aide of house that is why you are losing more times than you won.

You cant say that they would be fair anytime specially if theres a new one who do join in the market then its no surprising that you will surely find out if those bets that you had made is on the fair side.
When you do prove it out then thats the time would build up some trust and when time comes then recognition will comes next.

[TopT3ns]

Crypto gambling sites are actually fair so there is no way to cheat as you are assuming but in general you have less chance of winning which means all the other odds in the aide of house that is why you are losing more times than you won.

I think if everything is completely fair it will be difficult to make the gambling place rich because so far if you realize that the gambling place can be inserted with some scripts that are used to make the players lose and at a certain time later can provide a script to win so that it can trigger players to be more enthusiastic about depositing and spending their money at gambling venues.

[Ryker1]

Crypto gambling sites are actually fair so there is no way to cheat as you are assuming but in general you have less chance of winning which means all the other odds in the aide of house that is why you are losing more times than you won.

I think if everything is completely fair it will be difficult to make the gambling place rich because so far if you realize that the gambling place can be inserted with some scripts that are used to make the players lose and at a certain time later can provide a script to win so that it can trigger players to be more enthusiastic about depositing and spending their money at gambling venues.

Well, perhaps for surely that dice gambling has really provavbly fair are those who have license on their casino. Because licensed gambling sites have a regulation and it is monitored by the despatched who monitor you if you are doing standard procedures upon running busieness. Dice is actually fair, the had called on it RNG that you can verified.
Learn more about provably fair is very crucial thing, you need to ve very careful, ^{[ https://dicesites.com/provably-fair ]}

[Amel]

Gambling sites are usually used by scammers as a tool. Of course I wouldn't say all gambling sites are bad. But as far as I know, the dice game is actually fair. And even if you withdraw from all these sites, it will be credited to your account very quickly. But here you can win is not very easy.

[Serious475]

Dice are the game which is actually have the chance of winning for me is 25 percent, so why not 50 percent because not all the time the same outcome on the dice will come into higher or lower.
Also there are some humors about playing the dice which is when you lose a game on dice, you need to double your wage and bet on the opposite side of your last choice. For me this is not good because there is a possibility that it will fail not all the time it works but mostly they are using this same routine because their mindset it's looks like effective.

[mezzaluna]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

If you are exchanging the meaning of the word fair into "always has a chance to win" within a dice game, that is actually unfair. Dice games are a game of probability and its always 1/6 or 1/12 or whichever die you are playing with. These games can be played by thinking of what probability is closest to one so you have a better chance of it coming out.

[Saint-loup]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

If you are exchanging the meaning of the word fair into "always has a chance to win" within a dice game, that is actually unfair. Dice games are a game of probability and its always 1/6 or 1/12 or whichever die you are playing with. These games can be played by thinking of what probability is closest to one so you have a better chance of it coming out.

Which dice game are you talking about Mezzaluna?
I've never heard of a dice game with 1/6 or 1/12 chances to win. What's that? 

[Debonaire217]

There are tons of dice games available in the online gambling sites right now, some are even customize in a casino itself. But what I found upon searching which dice games are the best and fair, I saw these results:

1- craps
2 - hazard
3 – Chuck A Luck
4 – Klondike
5 – Banka Francesca
6 – Sic Bo
7 – Simplified Craps

These are no ordinary dice game, and you can look to this reference to see how these dice games are being played.

[South Park]

I know they all have an edge. I am talking about a game where the stated odds are 49.7% meaning a house edge on of 0.3%. In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

I should preface this with that I did have a couple incredible runs on this game in the past. Variance just catching up?

Losing 11 times in a row at a dice game is something that happens very rarely.
You should think about a tree diagram
You have 50.3% chances to lose at the first round, 50.3% x 50.3% the 2 first rounds, 50.3%³ to lose the 3 first rounds etc.
It means you have (50.3%)¹¹=0.052% chances to lose 11times in a row

           win (49.7%x49.7%)
 win (49.7%)
           lose (49.7%x50.3%)

           win (50.3%x49.7%)
 lose (50.3%)
           lose (50.3%x50.3%)

While you are right that something like that will happen very rarely the more you play the bigger the chances you begin to see events like that, for example a person that has never gambled has very low probabilities to see something like that on his first 11 tries at playing a dice game and it will be very remarkable if that happened to him, but if you have played dice hundreds of thousands of times then the chances you see something like this happening to you go up significantly.

[DarkDays]

I'd say practically all of the most popular dice sites are "actually fair."

Where are you seeing that these sites try to screw with players when they cash out? The only reason I could see that happening is if the player has clearly breached the rules, e.g. if they are multi-accounting where it isn't allowed, or playing from regions that are not allowed to use the platform.

Most famous dice sites, like crypto.games, wolf.bet etc use the provably fair system. You can check after the bet to see whether they cheated you out of your money.

You sound like someone who lost a big bet and suddenly think that the universe is conspiring against you...

[Mahdirakib]

Almost every popular casino have fair dice game at their site. Casino isn't a charity, they have house edge system so that they won't get bankrupt. It also helps casino to gain profit in the long run. Actually the problem isn't in a casino. Gambler have the bad habit of winning addiction. And they doesn't loss for placing big bet, this thought comes from emotion after losing unexpectedly.

Don't forget there is a house edge, and learn the gambling odds. Finally avoid being greedy. But if you really think that a specific casino cheating you then you should share it to us with proper proof without raising question against all dice site.

[Reid]

If you create a business, isn't profit the first thing that will come to your mind.
The same goes for this gambling businesses. There is always the house edge and profits come from that.
It ain't really that huge.

But, I would still prefer the trusted ones.
You might see one that is super fair but how long could they stay?
A worse scenario is losing all your deposits rather than losing it while playing the game.

[StephenJH]

If you create a business, isn't profit the first thing that will come to your mind.
The same goes for this gambling businesses. There is always the house edge and profits come from that.
It ain't really that huge.

But, I would still prefer the trusted ones.
You might see one that is super fair but how long could they stay?
A worse scenario is losing all your deposits rather than losing it while playing the game.

The provably fair dice games are the best ones that we can find as a gambler. It has been proven many times that without a house edge it is not possible to survive in the gambling business. This business model requires to make money by attracting new gamblers and taking the portion of their losses. In the long run, house always wins.

[Oilacris]

If you create a business, isn't profit the first thing that will come to your mind.
The same goes for this gambling businesses. There is always the house edge and profits come from that.
It ain't really that huge.

But, I would still prefer the trusted ones.
You might see one that is super fair but how long could they stay?
A worse scenario is losing all your deposits rather than losing it while playing the game.

The provably fair dice games are the best ones that we can find as a gambler. It has been proven many times that without a house edge it is not possible to survive in the gambling business. This business model requires to make money by attracting new gamblers and taking the portion of their losses. In the long run, house always wins.

Zero house edge is just good for temporal and no business will survive on having no commission on each bet that had been made by its player and we know that this is business and primary target is to make out profits.

They do countless promotions that would hooked up players and do end up on the profiting side of things and as you said house do always win in the end.When it comes on choosing which place we do play

then we do usually end up into those popular or known ones which is normal for us to do so.

Almost every popular casino have fair dice game at their site. Casino isn't a charity, they have house edge system so that they won't get bankrupt. It also helps casino to gain profit in the long run. Actually the problem isn't in a casino. Gambler have the bad habit of winning addiction. And they doesn't loss for placing big bet, this thought comes from emotion after losing unexpectedly.

Don't forget there is a house edge, and learn the gambling odds. Finally avoid being greedy. But if you really think that a specific casino cheating you then you should share it to us with proper proof without raising question against all dice site.

When someone do notice some odd results or fairness issue then they would normally make out some accusations or complaints towards it.Usually these kind of issues can be found in non so popular sites

on the market as of today thats why majority would just simply stick into those preferrable ones because they do know that they are dealing with a fair site rather than risking up your

satoshis into unknown ones.

[pixie85]

Every Casino promote their service to be provably fair. Every Casino too have their own procedure to check the fairness of the roll. Just on the coincidence people believe in it. No one is sure, to what extent this is fair. With the trusted gambling site, it is good to spend unlike the fair functioning.

That is correct every casino has its own definition of fairness and that is why they use the word probably fair as according to them they are fair to the gamblers. Playing on a trusted exchange only gives confidence in their fairness policy and nothing more.

Every casino will claim to be "probably fair", even if they are not. I only prefer to play gambling on the old trusted casinos because everyone is sure about their fairness. Many new casinos may also be fair but it will take time when majority of the gamblers will trust them.

Did you guys just change provably into probably and start talking about it like it's the casino's definition of fairness?  I just had to ask even though I know what i'm reading. It's so funny.

Provably fair is not their definition or anything. It's simply a way of making the rolls random and visible to the player but encrypted so that the player cannot cheat.
The rolls are fair but people rarely are able to stop playing after a good one.

If you registered on a site and put $100 in a single roll and won would you walk away? You'd probably try to bet the 100 again because you'd knew that if you lose you're back to your starting money.

[Shasha80]

If you create a business, isn't profit the first thing that will come to your mind.
The same goes for this gambling businesses. There is always the house edge and profits come from that.
It ain't really that huge.

But, I would still prefer the trusted ones.
You might see one that is super fair but how long could they stay?
A worse scenario is losing all your deposits rather than losing it while playing the game.

The provably fair dice games are the best ones that we can find as a gambler. It has been proven many times that without a house edge it is not possible to survive in the gambling business. This business model requires to make money by attracting new gamblers and taking the portion of their losses. In the long run, house always wins.

I agree that without being provably fair it will be very detrimental to gamblers, therefore it is very important to choose a gambling site
that has provably fair, for those who like playing dice games. With the provably fair presence at these gambling sites, it will attract new
gamblers to play dice at these gambling sites. But gambling sites need profit to keep their business afloat. So the role of the house edge
is very important to make the gambling site survive. Thats why in the long run house always wins.

[Twinkledoe]

If you create a business, isn't profit the first thing that will come to your mind.
The same goes for this gambling businesses. There is always the house edge and profits come from that.
It ain't really that huge.

But, I would still prefer the trusted ones.
You might see one that is super fair but how long could they stay?
A worse scenario is losing all your deposits rather than losing it while playing the game.

The provably fair dice games are the best ones that we can find as a gambler. It has been proven many times that without a house edge it is not possible to survive in the gambling business. This business model requires to make money by attracting new gamblers and taking the portion of their losses. In the long run, house always wins.

I agree that without being provably fair it will be very detrimental to gamblers, therefore it is very important to choose a gambling site
that has provably fair, for those who like playing dice games. With the provably fair presence at these gambling sites, it will attract new
gamblers to play dice at these gambling sites. But gambling sites need profit to keep their business afloat. So the role of the house edge
is very important to make the gambling site survive. Thats why in the long run house always wins.

This is the reason why casinos survive in business, they have house edge on their side. You can't expect anything much from dice game. Most reputable casinos here has their provably fair tab if you want to check the fairness of their game. But even if they have this provable fairness, don't expect that your chance of winning is high because it's not. This is luck-based game so it really depends on your luck to win this game.

[mindrust]

This is the reason why casinos survive in business, they have house edge on their side. You can't expect anything much from dice game. Most reputable casinos here has their provably fair tab if you want to check the fairness of their game. But even if they have this provable fairness, don't expect that your chance of winning is high because it's not. This is luck-based game so it really depends on your luck to win this game.

Exactly. I don't really understand why people look for a fair casino. In a fair casino, you are guaranteed to lose in the long term anyway.   A casino has no reason to put a hidden script behind its code to win against you. Mathematics do that job for the casino just fine.

I'd rather look for a dishonest casino with a broken script that's leaking money. 

[freedomgo]

This is the reason why casinos survive in business, they have house edge on their side. You can't expect anything much from dice game. Most reputable casinos here has their provably fair tab if you want to check the fairness of their game. But even if they have this provable fairness, don't expect that your chance of winning is high because it's not. This is luck-based game so it really depends on your luck to win this game.

Exactly. I don't really understand why people look for a fair casino. In a fair casino, you are guaranteed to lose in the long term anyway.   A casino has no reason to put a hidden script behind its code to win against you. Mathematics do that job for the casino just fine.

I'd rather look for a dishonest casino with a broken script that's leaking money. 

Very well said, if you can see that opportunity then you can make money, if they are fair that means they are winning against the majority due to the house edge, and there's no reason for them to cheat if they are already winning as they are risking their future if ever they get caught, imagine a big casino making millions per month and caught cheating, it's a goodbye to millions of income per month, so.. they would not do that for sure.

They are fair, they need to be fair.

[Saint-loup]

I know they all have an edge. I am talking about a game where the stated odds are 49.7% meaning a house edge on of 0.3%. In that environment what are the odds of losing 11 in a row? 17 in a row? or 6 out of 7 bets repeatedly?

I should preface this with that I did have a couple incredible runs on this game in the past. Variance just catching up?

Losing 11 times in a row at a dice game is something that happens very rarely.
You should think about a tree diagram
You have 50.3% chances to lose at the first round, 50.3% x 50.3% the 2 first rounds, 50.3%³ to lose the 3 first rounds etc.
It means you have (50.3%)¹¹=0.052% chances to lose 11times in a row

           win (49.7%x49.7%)
 win (49.7%)
           lose (49.7%x50.3%)

           win (50.3%x49.7%)
 lose (50.3%)
           lose (50.3%x50.3%)

While you are right that something like that will happen very rarely the more you play the bigger the chances you begin to see events like that, for example a person that has never gambled has very low probabilities to see something like that on his first 11 tries at playing a dice game and it will be very remarkable if that happened to him, but if you have played dice hundreds of thousands of times then the chances you see something like this happening to you go up significantly.

Yes you're right, this is the probability to lose 11times in a row when you play 11times in a row AFAIK but if you play many times odds to get a losing streak of 11 loss will be different IMO.

[worldofcoins]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

Used to be a hardcore gambler but left a few years back after losing a good chunk of BTCs,
Games I played were mostly Dice and Slots.
Slots were in my favor but Dice gave a bad hit and I lost most of my balance on dice.

[Stalker22]

...
I'd rather look for a dishonest casino with a broken script that's leaking money.  

If you find one, don't be shy, pass that information on to me too.  

Joke aside, I once stumbled upon some sort of virtual poker where it was played against bots. They were so poorly programmed that you could easily predict their every move and win every deal. I naively informed the administrator with my evidence and instead of thanking or possibly rewarding the bug detection I just got banned and the site was soon shut down.

The moral point of the story: "no good deed goes unpunished!"

[finaleshot2016]

This is the reason why casinos survive in business, they have house edge on their side. You can't expect anything much from dice game. Most reputable casinos here has their provably fair tab if you want to check the fairness of their game. But even if they have this provable fairness, don't expect that your chance of winning is high because it's not. This is luck-based game so it really depends on your luck to win this game.

Well, it's obvious at start that a casino is a business and it makes the owner richer than the gambler. Casino's have tricks on their sleeves and it will be always a business model. We shouldn't expect that we will have winnings because it's always 50-50 and the worst case scenario is you will lose a lot of money. It will be one-sided even if you win a huge pot, there's a percentage of it goes into the owner. All of those earnings and salary of the workers are from the gamblers, that's why some casino house have many luxuries item and display because they're earning hundred thousands per month.

[KTChampions]

Yes you're right, this is the probability to lose 11times in a row when you play 11times in a row AFAIK but if you play many times odds to get a losing streak of 11 loss will be different IMO.

This is not just your opinion, its mathematical fact. This is described by Bernoulli's law. If I remember correctly, if you flip a coin 100 times, you get a sequence of 6-7 heads in a row with 100% probability. With 1000 tosses, you are guaranteed a sequence of 9-10 heads or tails. And so on.

[bitzizzix]

This is the reason why casinos survive in business, they have house edge on their side. You can't expect anything much from dice game. Most reputable casinos here has their provably fair tab if you want to check the fairness of their game. But even if they have this provable fairness, don't expect that your chance of winning is high because it's not. This is luck-based game so it really depends on your luck to win this game.

Well, it's obvious at start that a casino is a business and it makes the owner richer than the gambler. Casino's have tricks on their sleeves and it will be always a business model. We shouldn't expect that we will have winnings because it's always 50-50 and the worst case scenario is you will lose a lot of money. It will be one-sided even if you win a huge pot, there's a percentage of it goes into the owner. All of those earnings and salary of the workers are from the gamblers, that's why some casino house have many luxuries item and display because they're earning hundred thousands per month.

I agree that casinos are businesses for owners that make their owners richer and all the games are organized in such a way that gamblers lose more than they win, because casinos have to pay workers, taxes, electricity, buildings and much more to pay.
and all of that from losing gamblers, and if you don't want to accept losing, then you have to stop when you're in a winning position and don't be tempted or ambitious to keep on playing that will lose everything in the end.

[Question123]

There is more gambling sited that's offet a dice game with fair game but we know that the team of the online gambling is always win or let just say they always getting profit. We know that once we said gambling there is  chance for the player to win a money and take note a lot of money but there is probability that you losing money for the short period of time only. Only the team or the creator of the gambling sites will earn money guaranteed because that is systematic that is my opinion only and or what I think. I play dice games and it is one of my favorite and if you want to try it just play to the trusted gambling sites because it is the way for you to see if the dice games is fair .

[maydna]

There is more gambling sited that's offet a dice game with fair game but we know that the team of the online gambling is always win or let just say they always getting profit. We know that once we said gambling there is  chance for the player to win a money and take note a lot of money but there is probability that you losing money for the short period of time only. Only the team or the creator of the gambling sites will earn money guaranteed because that is systematic that is my opinion only and or what I think. I play dice games and it is one of my favorite and if you want to try it just play to the trusted gambling sites because it is the way for you to see if the dice games is fair .

We know that gambling sites will profit in the end, no matter if the gambler can win in any gambling game. The gambling website will not let the gamblers take the win money from them, but they still fair to the gamblers because they let one or two gamblers win on the games.

But the probability of losing money in the gambling games will be bigger, especially if many gamblers played on all the gambling games on that site. We can imagine from 100 gamblers played 10 gambling games, only less than 5 people who can win much money while losing their money.

If we play dice games on the recommended gambling websites, I think they are fair enough to their members, so I guess we don't have to worry about fair or not.

[Reatim]

There is more gambling sited that's offet a dice game with fair game but we know that the team of the online gambling is always win or let just say they always getting profit.

Fair in terms of now cheating or with good percent of winning chances but that doesn't mean they will allow players to win over them lol.
gambling sites are there to take money and not to give.

We know that once we said gambling there is  chance for the player to win a money and take note a lot of money but there is probability that you losing money for the short period of time only.

it is better to say that In gambling you only have 20% chance of winning and 80% of losing so better think about that.

Only the team or the creator of the gambling sites will earn money guaranteed because that is systematic that is my opinion only and or what I think. I play dice games and it is one of my favorite and if you want to try it just play to the trusted gambling sites because it is the way for you to see if the dice games is fair .

They are the one who created the games so they will always win that is the reality.

[glowing10]

This is the reason why casinos survive in business, they have house edge on their side. You can't expect anything much from dice game. Most reputable casinos here has their provably fair tab if you want to check the fairness of their game. But even if they have this provable fairness, don't expect that your chance of winning is high because it's not. This is luck-based game so it really depends on your luck to win this game.

Well, it's obvious at start that a casino is a business and it makes the owner richer than the gambler. Casino's have tricks on their sleeves and it will be always a business model. We shouldn't expect that we will have winnings because it's always 50-50 and the worst case scenario is you will lose a lot of money. It will be one-sided even if you win a huge pot, there's a percentage of it goes into the owner. All of those earnings and salary of the workers are from the gamblers, that's why some casino house have many luxuries item and display because they're earning hundred thousands per month.

I agree that casinos are businesses for owners that make their owners richer and all the games are organized in such a way that gamblers lose more than they win, because casinos have to pay workers, taxes, electricity, buildings and much more to pay.
and all of that from losing gamblers, and if you don't want to accept losing, then you have to stop when you're in a winning position and don't be tempted or ambitious to keep on playing that will lose everything in the end.

Indeed, they will and have to make money because they are here not to do any free kind of service. So, they have house edge as well and good thing for casinos owner is since people easily get addicted as it involves money so in longer term it helps them to make money for them. For those it is beneficial who have amazing time while playing games rather than worrying much about the profit/loss from it.

[bitbollo]

unless you can't verify your roll you're playing a fair dice game.
however this doesn't means that win will be more easier catch a win, but just that you can verify your rolls after you play.
I can suggest to use site like coinpot dice game since has 0% house edge. Other dice game have an high edge up to 4-5 %, you can see the difference after a lot of bets.
However despite this high fees (or house edge) you can get some extra advantage like cashback on your bets or free ticket for lottery.

[UmerIdrees]

If you create a business, isn't profit the first thing that will come to your mind.
The same goes for this gambling businesses. There is always the house edge and profits come from that.
It ain't really that huge.

But, I would still prefer the trusted ones.
You might see one that is super fair but how long could they stay?
A worse scenario is losing all your deposits rather than losing it while playing the game.

The provably fair dice games are the best ones that we can find as a gambler. It has been proven many times that without a house edge it is not possible to survive in the gambling business. This business model requires to make money by attracting new gamblers and taking the portion of their losses. In the long run, house always wins.

I agree that without being provably fair it will be very detrimental to gamblers, therefore it is very important to choose a gambling site
that has provably fair, for those who like playing dice games. With the provably fair presence at these gambling sites, it will attract new
gamblers to play dice at these gambling sites. But gambling sites need profit to keep their business afloat. So the role of the house edge
is very important to make the gambling site survive. Thats why in the long run house always wins.

This is the reason why casinos survive in business, they have house edge on their side. You can't expect anything much from dice game. Most reputable casinos here has their provably fair tab if you want to check the fairness of their game. But even if they have this provable fairness, don't expect that your chance of winning is high because it's not. This is luck-based game so it really depends on your luck to win this game.

You cannot beat the house in a dice game. You will win few games and lose some but if you play for an extended time period, only the house will win.
All the sites which offer provably fair are actually fair and you can also verify the bets on their sites too. If any site does not allow you to verify the bets, then you should not play at those sites.

[stadus]

You cannot beat the house in a dice game. You will win few games and lose some but if you play for an extended time period, only the house will win.
All the sites which offer provably fair are actually fair and you can also verify the bets on their sites too. If any site does not allow you to verify the bets, then you should not play at those sites.

You can if they don't put a limit and you have a big amount of capital. Unfortunately for us gamblers, we have no chance to win in the long run, we maybe lucky now but tomorrow when we come back, we will be playing again with disadvantage, that 1% advantage they have is already huge enough for them to stay profitable regardless on how many gamblers are playing in their sites.

[bobyhodob]

There is more gambling sited that's offet a dice game with fair game but we know that the team of the online gambling is always win or let just say they always getting profit. We know that once we said gambling there is  chance for the player to win a money and take note a lot of money but there is probability that you losing money for the short period of time only. Only the team or the creator of the gambling sites will earn money guaranteed because that is systematic that is my opinion only and or what I think. I play dice games and it is one of my favorite and if you want to try it just play to the trusted gambling sites because it is the way for you to see if the dice games is fair .

well I really agree with what you say, therefore stay alert when gambling anywhere, if you have gotten a lot of profit then you can make withdrawals as quickly as possible because if you don't do that the profit you have earned will return to the gambling place because maybe you will be set to lose again.

[South Park]

We know that gambling sites will profit in the end, no matter if the gambler can win in any gambling game. The gambling website will not let the gamblers take the win money from them, but they still fair to the gamblers because they let one or two gamblers win on the games.

But the probability of losing money in the gambling games will be bigger, especially if many gamblers played on all the gambling games on that site. We can imagine from 100 gamblers played 10 gambling games, only less than 5 people who can win much money while losing their money.

If we play dice games on the recommended gambling websites, I think they are fair enough to their members, so I guess we don't have to worry about fair or not.

Exactly, casinos do not get mad if a player wins once in a while, in fact this plays to their advantage as most people describe their experiences of success to their friends and not the times in which they have lost money, the winners give free promotion to the casino and many of those that listen to those stories will try their luck in their casino as well, however what they care about is that over the long term and a huge number of bets they earn money and this is a mathematical certainty as long as they have a house edge and their risk of bankruptcy is zero.

[Wawa2013]

If we play dice games in the short run and we win a few times, I think the gambling site is fair enough.
Because don't expect to beat gambling sites by playing dice, their system is designed so that we often lose.
Therefore, don't play dice games for too long, and if you manage to win several times, don't continue playing again.
Immediately withdraw the profit you get.

[maydna]

~snip~

Exactly, casinos do not get mad if a player wins once in a while, in fact this plays to their advantage as most people describe their experiences of success to their friends and not the times in which they have lost money, the winners give free promotion to the casino and many of those that listen to those stories will try their luck in their casino as well, however what they care about is that over the long term and a huge number of bets they earn money and this is a mathematical certainty as long as they have a house edge and their risk of bankruptcy is zero.

Besides that, that will be a little promotion to the gambling website to get more members in the future, especially if that winner can invite many friends to visit on that site. The gambling website will get more advantages from that, and they will serve them or visit on their site with better.

Dice games as a popular gambling game will attract many people to spend their money and time on their sites. But people need to have control of themselves because playing any gambling games can take their money.

[butcherme]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

I don't really understand your question here how could they rape you when you are already cashing out?
There are so many trusted dice site that proven to be fair maybe you are just unlucky that you lose every time you decide to go big actually I also happen to question it too back then but I also experience winning big so it is all just a theory and they have proven to be fair.
There are so many gamblers who have won in dice site and there are dice site that allows us to look for the gamblers profile to see how much they have spent and how much did they win/lose on the site.
I think you could see some gamblers having a positive account with a huge winning in some high rollers.

[hulla]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

I don't really understand your question here how could they rape you when you are already cashing out?

People have a reason to believe the site owners or game operator cheated when the game result seems to be switched and when the site owner doesn't provide the adequate seed with a link to verify the algorithms of each game. However, the OP makes a good point cause some provably fair site does cheat but I will advise him to always check the fairness information site before using it.

[ethereumhunter]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

I don't really understand your question here how could they rape you when you are already cashing out?

People have a reason to believe the site owners or game operator cheated when the game result seems to be switched and when the site owner doesn't provide the adequate seed with a link to verify the algorithms of each game. However, the OP makes a good point cause some provably fair site does cheat but I will advise him to always check the fairness information site before using it.

If he really cares about his bet, I am sure he will always check the provably fair, but if he only bet without thinking much about provably fair, I think he will play the game. But if the reputable gambling site really cheats their members, I am sure that it will take too long to see their reputations will ruin because of that. I am sure that the gambling site will not play with that because they concern about their members and their website.

[iv4n]

If we play dice games in the short run and we win a few times, I think the gambling site is fair enough.

Link to the new update from BTCGOSU: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5262141.msg55321294#msg55321294 Direct link to BTCGOSU page: https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

If you really wish to be sure in the fairness of the casino you can check them by yourself! And it's the only way for anyone to be completely sure! At BTCGOSU you can choose 26 casinos that offer provably fair dices!
I check sites when I start gambling for the first time in their casinos! I don't do that often after that, but maybe I should, I know some people who do that on weekly on monthly basis! Again I know many people who change their seeds after every session, people who use bots have that on automatic, but I do that rarely, I didn't see many benefits from changing seeds.

[pankowri]

There are many dice and gambling sites that sticks to their house edge and does not change anything depending on the users or results.
Every sites with a legit crypto gambling foundation badge are provably fair and some others well know sites that are not on the foundation yet know for their fairness. An unfair site would not survive for long and if you encountered any old gambling site with a good number of users, you could be sure it's provably fair.

You have a point. A gambling site will not take long if some users already find out that the gambling site that they are playing is not fair enough to play. I think every dice game in a gambling site always stick on their house edge and its all a game of chance, so it seems fair that they are giving every player an equal probability of winning.

This is simple to think since if we are worried about the fairness of the casino then we should go to old with huge number of players as tipstar said since we can assure that they will not wreck their players and they will also protect their casino for any of bad comments to the users since they have a reputation that they need to protect. We simply avoid those new casinos since we don't know their fairness yet and they are the one who mostly scam their users.

Explained well. The new dice can be risky and mostly created to fuck the people by advertising lucrative things and the new people and sometimes the old one got fucked by them. Always go for renowned Dice (gambling site) for your investment.

Dice is a model where they run it for their extra income besides house. So for less risk, go for old one.

[Renampun]

I don't really hope it's fair or not, as long as I can withdraw there is nothing to worry about...
however online casinos are run with programming but trusted gambling developers are definitely doing honest things to run their business. It is important for you to be more selective in choosing the site where you are gambling dice so as not to be fooled by malicious developers.

[target]

I don't really hope it's fair or not, as long as I can withdraw there is nothing to worry about...
however online casinos are run with programming but trusted gambling developers are definitely doing honest things to run their business. It is important for you to be more selective in choosing the site where you are gambling dice so as not to be fooled by malicious developers.

There is a way to check whether the system is provably fair. The system though is just popularized in the crypto casino, there is no organization that will check which one is fair or not.  But you can understand it because the odds will always favor the house.

If you are not very techy enough to check the server-side and the client seed and whatnot, you'd just give up and accept they are fair even when you experienced 5-day losing streak.

[STT]

I know the feeling and its a reason why you should try a different game rather then blame the game itself, dice never fills me with confidence that I can come out with a lucky profit.    If I win I expect to lose soon after as surely luck goes and comes back around and if I lose it just feels like I'll always keep losing and thats not fun for me.   Always totally preferred to go with slots or other types of betting.  
  Lots of the dice games are fair in theory even in practice if you realize it has to give a house cut in there but you may just not find it suits you and thats 100% normal tbh.

[Mahanton]

I don't really hope it's fair or not, as long as I can withdraw there is nothing to worry about...
however online casinos are run with programming but trusted gambling developers are definitely doing honest things to run their business. It is important for you to be more selective in choosing the site where you are gambling dice so as not to be fooled by malicious developers.

There is a way to check whether the system is provably fair. The system though is just popularized in the crypto casino, there is no organization that will check which one is fair or not.  But you can understand it because the odds will always favor the house.

If you are not very techy enough to check the server-side and the client seed and whatnot, you'd just give up and accept they are fair even when you experienced 5-day losing streak.

5-day losing streak? that will really put me into that state of mind on having that question on why the hell im experiencing this. Yeah gambling is really ending up to lose but
there are instances which you cant really just accept on what happen specially if you had notice that something is happening specially if streaks are just too much or already
not realistic at all.I cant blame out people to have those questions in mind and next will be targeting or making issue about fairness.Majority wont really bother out on making
verification if bets are indeed fair since they would just stick out into those known sites and they presume that they are on the right place.Its normal that you would find a place
that had been played by lots then telling that they do had fair games.

[FontSeli]

If we play dice games in the short run and we win a few times, I think the gambling site is fair enough.
Because don't expect to beat gambling sites by playing dice, their system is designed so that we often lose.
Therefore, don't play dice games for too long, and if you manage to win several times, don't continue playing again.
Immediately withdraw the profit you get.

Each dice player chooses coefficients and multipliers before the roll, so you can adjust your own chances of winning. The smaller the amount of potential winnings, the greater the chance that you will win. The higher the winning amount, the less chance of winning.
I believe that everything is fair. You choose your own chance to win and your victory depends on your luck.

[South Park]

5-day losing streak? that will really put me into that state of mind on having that question on why the hell im experiencing this. Yeah gambling is really ending up to lose but
there are instances which you cant really just accept on what happen specially if you had notice that something is happening specially if streaks are just too much or already
not realistic at all.I cant blame out people to have those questions in mind and next will be targeting or making issue about fairness.Majority wont really bother out on making
verification if bets are indeed fair since they would just stick out into those known sites and they presume that they are on the right place.Its normal that you would find a place
that had been played by lots then telling that they do had fair games.

A five day losing streak is completely possible however I will be suspicious of it if that was my first time playing in a casino and I will try to verify the results but if you play daily as many people do then getting a 5 day losing streak is completely normal, what you need to do at that point is to not try to recover your money during the next day since many times that ends up being a recipe for disaster as people lose their patience and try to recover all the money they lost in a single day and that is when massive losses are incurred.

[serjent05]

I don't really hope it's fair or not, as long as I can withdraw there is nothing to worry about...
however online casinos are run with programming but trusted gambling developers are definitely doing honest things to run their business. It is important for you to be more selective in choosing the site where you are gambling dice so as not to be fooled by malicious developers.

There is a way to check whether the system is provably fair. The system though is just popularized in the crypto casino, there is no organization that will check which one is fair or not.  But you can understand it because the odds will always favor the house.

If you are not very techy enough to check the server-side and the client seed and whatnot, you'd just give up and accept they are fair even when you experienced 5-day losing streak.

Indeed, often times, casino itself offers to check the provability fair of the hashes and how fair it is.  If someone is suspicious of the provably fair test of a casino, there is always an independent third party provably fair checker such as https://www.provablyfair.me/

5-day losing streak? that will really put me into that state of mind on having that question on why the hell im experiencing this. Yeah gambling is really ending up to lose but
there are instances which you cant really just accept on what happen specially if you had notice that something is happening specially if streaks are just too much or already
not realistic at all.I cant blame out people to have those questions in mind and next will be targeting or making issue about fairness.Majority wont really bother out on making
verification if bets are indeed fair since they would just stick out into those known sites and they presume that they are on the right place.Its normal that you would find a place
that had been played by lots then telling that they do had fair games.

A five day losing streak is completely possible however I will be suspicious of it if that was my first time playing in a casino and I will try to verify the results but if you play daily as many people do then getting a 5 day losing streak is completely normal, what you need to do at that point is to not try to recover your money during the next day since many times that ends up being a recipe for disaster as people lose their patience and try to recover all the money they lost in a single day and that is when massive losses are incurred.

If you play nonstop 24/7 not only 5 days losing streak but entire life losing streak may happen.  I don't know how the gambling program works but I noticed especially in slots, the longer a player play, the lesser the chance of a winning combination to appear. So it seems that the longer a player play the more likely he get busted in a casino.

[BuNga_cute]

There have been many articles on the internet that explain how to check whether the system on the gambling site is fair or not.
But it is also difficult if we are indeed among those who do not understand technical things, My advice is to choose gambling sites
that are popular and have a good reputation. So there is no need to check the fairness of the gambling site, because usually gambling
sites that have a good reputation are fair.

[Saint-loup]

Yes you're right, this is the probability to lose 11times in a row when you play 11times in a row AFAIK but if you play many times odds to get a losing streak of 11 loss will be different IMO.

This is not just your opinion, its mathematical fact. This is described by Bernoulli's law. If I remember correctly, if you flip a coin 100 times, you get a sequence of 6-7 heads in a row with 100% probability. With 1000 tosses, you are guaranteed a sequence of 9-10 heads or tails. And so on.

100% probability? No it can't be 100%
It's the number of 100items combinations with at least 6 heads in a row divided by the total number of combinations ie 2¹⁰⁰.
There are many combinations with at least 6 heads in a row, but not 2¹⁰⁰.

[fullhdpixel]

This is the reason why casinos survive in business, they have house edge on their side. You can't expect anything much from dice game. Most reputable casinos here has their provably fair tab if you want to check the fairness of their game. But even if they have this provable fairness, don't expect that your chance of winning is high because it's not. This is luck-based game so it really depends on your luck to win this game.

Exactly. I don't really understand why people look for a fair casino. In a fair casino, you are guaranteed to lose in the long term anyway.   A casino has no reason to put a hidden script behind its code to win against you. Mathematics do that job for the casino just fine.

I'd rather look for a dishonest casino with a broken script that's leaking money.  

You are right but the broken casino might later lock your funds just how luckygames did if I remember correctly a player was able to win a lot of money so they made him loose intentionally or something like that happened. I would always rather like to play on a fair casino by playing a 1-2% house edge rather than playing at a broken or rigged casino that maybe sometimes give me profit but has twice as more chances to make me loose  and obviously the casino would be rigged towards the owners, right ?

Since we are talking about broken casino I heard recently that a casino made a welcome offer that leaked a lot of money to it's users and actually the casino could not even stop it before a certain time despite knowing the problem because being a licensed casino they have to pay the user what they promised.

[Maotezi]

There have been many articles on the internet that explain how to check whether the system on the gambling site is fair or not.
But it is also difficult if we are indeed among those who do not understand technical things, My advice is to choose gambling sites
that are popular and have a good reputation. So there is no need to check the fairness of the gambling site, because usually gambling
sites that have a good reputation are fair.

There are many sites that are just promoted and thus become popular, but they are not fair at all, my advice is similar to yours, I would rather choose a site that has existed for a long time, in my opinion it is the best reputation that the site is fair. Sites that are visited by a lot of people is a good indicator that the site is fair.

[xenon131]

All of these supposedly statistically fair games seem to rape you when you cash anything out or just when you decide to bet bigger than some micro level.

Curious if anyone has ever beat one without getting crushed the second they take some off the table?

Have a look on dicepoolbtc.com They  claim to be provably fair and charge relatively miserable fee of  3000 sat to winner of each round. This is p2p platform for dice gaming and, IMO, it is better that centralized one though even this is nor fully decentralized  and you should use it on your own risk.

[Chrystora123]

I am sure some trusted sites, especially gambling sites that hold a signature campaign on this forum, provide a "fair" dice game..  but for me personally, dice and slots are not so fair because I can't win the game with my own strategy and just surrender to fate (the numbers that come out of the machine) This is one of the reasons I don't really like Dice and slots..  I prefer skill-based gambling because my winnings depend on 30% strategy, 30% analysis, and 40% luck..

[btc78]

I am sure some trusted sites, especially gambling sites that hold a signature campaign on this forum, provide a "fair" dice game..  but for me personally, dice and slots are not so fair because I can't win the game with my own strategy and just surrender to fate (the numbers that come out of the machine) This is one of the reasons I don't really like Dice and slots..  I prefer skill-based gambling because my winnings depend on 30% strategy, 30% analysis, and 40% luck..

Most probably those who had been here for long,having their signature legitimately because there are also some Signature campaign wearing company but ended scammers or having issue of not being trusted.
regarding slot and dice game?of course there are more lose than win because those game are Luck based gambling that you must be lucky to win,things that is harder to have,I sometimes win in Dice specially in local gambling in which the dice has Color instead of numbers and i am lucky on that.

[mindrust]

. I naively informed the administrator with my evidence and instead of thanking or possibly rewarding the bug detection I just got banned and the site was soon shut down.

The moral point of the story: "no good deed goes unpunished!"

He must have panicked big time. If somebody else had found out that shitty design he would have lost everything he got there probably. You did the right thing by informing him but not everybody as honest as you. Some people would have ruined that casino not because it is right or wrong, just to punish his stupidity and teach him a valuable lesson. These things happen all the time. Actually that's the mindset of all hackers probably. They hack it because they can. Be smarter and build your system hack-proof. 

[matchi2011]

There have been many articles on the internet that explain how to check whether the system on the gambling site is fair or not.
But it is also difficult if we are indeed among those who do not understand technical things, My advice is to choose gambling sites
that are popular and have a good reputation. So there is no need to check the fairness of the gambling site, because usually gambling
sites that have a good reputation are fair.

There are many sites that are just promoted and thus become popular, but they are not fair at all, my advice is similar to yours, I would rather choose a site that has existed for a long time, in my opinion it is the best reputation that the site is fair. Sites that are visited by a lot of people is a good indicator that the site is fair.

Using old game site and being comfortable with how the team manage the business will give you enough confidence that you are playing the game without any doubt of being rigged.

All of us wanted to have a good ambience and a good treatment while playing the game, especially with how the team manage to give good assurance that they are not manipulating the outcome of every dice rolls.

[DoublerHunter]

I am sure some trusted sites, especially gambling sites that hold a signature campaign on this forum, provide a "fair" dice game..  but for me personally, dice and slots are not so fair because I can't win the game with my own strategy and just surrender to fate (the numbers that come out of the machine) This is one of the reasons I don't really like Dice and slots.  I prefer skill-based gambling because my winnings depend on 30% strategy, 30% analysis, and 40% luck..

^ Nah, that is not how works. Provably fair can be verified in every bet you had through the hash they given to the user. That is not mean that you never win they don't have provably fair. Probably you are not lucky enough to win on that kind of game because of the fact that they are based on luck games. Nevertheless, as long as you can verify every bet you had, that is probably fair enough for the user that they can evaluate what is provably fair on the system.

[johhnyUA]

^ Nah, that is not how works. Provably fair can be verified in every bet you had through the hash they given to the user. That is not mean that you never win they don't have provably fair. Probably you are not lucky enough to win on that kind of game because of the fact that they are based on luck games. Nevertheless, as long as you can verify every bet you had, that is probably fair enough for the user that they can evaluate what is provably fair on the system.

There some ways to manipulate with hashes too as i remember. For example, with predetermined things, where hash and result determined before it's given to you (i can be a little mistaken here, you know)

[malcovi2]

^ Nah, that is not how works. Provably fair can be verified in every bet you had through the hash they given to the user. That is not mean that you never win they don't have provably fair. Probably you are not lucky enough to win on that kind of game because of the fact that they are based on luck games. Nevertheless, as long as you can verify every bet you had, that is probably fair enough for the user that they can evaluate what is provably fair on the system.

There some ways to manipulate with hashes too as i remember. For example, with predetermined things, where hash and result determined before it's given to you (i can be a little mistaken here, you know)

If that is known then why arent the gambling websites are still up and running?

[perfect999]

Did you guys just change provably into probably and start talking about it like it's the casino's definition of fairness?  I just had to ask even though I know what i'm reading. It's so funny.

It is actually funny how lack of knowledge dragged the discussion from how provably works to how the casinos are probably fair .

Provably fair is not their definition or anything. It's simply a way of making the rolls random and visible to the player but encrypted so that the player cannot cheat.

You know what I tried to explain this many times but guys who are reluctant and don't want to understand always tell me that all these calculations can be manipulated and I remember how some guy at a casino once told me that the casino might have the the tool to decode sha and I actually left the chat after that because it was beyond my energy to explain him once he said that.

People enjoy calling probably fair as such casinos are promising they are fair but if they understand the concept they would never even question it again.

[Assface16678]

You only have two options whether you will wage into a higher roll into the lower roll.
You have two outcome winners or lose and choosing a fair game is too quite hard.
All you need to have is luck and probability to become a winner.

Every game has a different algorithm of high and low if you mastered those also I think there is a chance you will have a fair or win game.

I think its better to choose a gambling that gives a fair game and choose the best.

[Reatim]

You only have two options whether you will wage into a higher roll into the lower roll.
You have two outcome winners or lose and choosing a fair game is too quite hard.
All you need to have is luck and probability to become a winner.

and besides Gambling site owner will not allow having really fair because the chance of winning is 50% in which against their business rules.

Every game has a different algorithm of high and low if you mastered those also I think there is a chance you will have a fair or win game.

I think its better to choose a gambling that gives a fair game and choose the best.

And you cannot find those in slot machines,roulette and dice games.maybe other games like cards that will gives a fair chance.

[safari88]

don't quite understand what you are saying but i think most of the dice game have their verifier tools to check if they are fair or there's a guide on how to verify them and maybe you could use other website's tool to check if they are fair.

[South Park]

A five day losing streak is completely possible however I will be suspicious of it if that was my first time playing in a casino and I will try to verify the results but if you play daily as many people do then getting a 5 day losing streak is completely normal, what you need to do at that point is to not try to recover your money during the next day since many times that ends up being a recipe for disaster as people lose their patience and try to recover all the money they lost in a single day and that is when massive losses are incurred.

If you play nonstop 24/7 not only 5 days losing streak but entire life losing streak may happen.  I don't know how the gambling program works but I noticed especially in slots, the longer a player play, the lesser the chance of a winning combination to appear. So it seems that the longer a player play the more likely he get busted in a casino.

This is called the law of large numbers, basically what this means is that as the number of tries go up the closer you will get to the expected probability of a particular game, what this means is that if you only roll a dice 100 times then you are bound to see huge differences between your results and the expected probability of the game but if you roll the dice one million times then the results will be incredibly close to the expected values, this is the way casinos make money and as you can guess it is what it makes players lose money over the long term.

[dunfida]

You only have two options whether you will wage into a higher roll into the lower roll.
You have two outcome winners or lose and choosing a fair game is too quite hard.
All you need to have is luck and probability to become a winner.

Every game has a different algorithm of high and low if you mastered those also I think there is a chance you will have a fair or win game.

I think its better to choose a gambling that gives a fair game and choose the best.

This is where people should stick into known or reputable sites and they would really get rid of this problem where they do end up on shady sites.When we do stick into known ones then we can presume out
that were dealing with fair stuff on here.I cant say 100% safe or fair but at least the entire community does know that theyre doing the right thing.You can eventually differentiate if theres something
wrong into your best.About probability then we can adjust it out since on a dice game we can hover it out depending on what multiplier we do prefer but the thing what makes it hard where
house edge do comes in which is normal yet this is the main source of revenue of gambling sites and this is the reason the longer time you do spend the more risk you are putting yourself into.

[jostorres]

If we play dice games in the short run and we win a few times, I think the gambling site is fair enough.

Not really because if the rolls are rigged they might make you win initially to feel you assured and once you start betting big, you get wrecked by the casino with rigged rolls.

don't expect to beat gambling sites by playing dice, their system is designed so that we often lose.

True but there have been instances in past like dicebitco.in scammed their players by rigging rolls so you never know if despite playing against the edge the house is still fair or not. They used to skip winning rolls and make gamblers lose.

don't play dice games for too long, and if you manage to win several times, don't continue playing again.
Immediately withdraw the profit you get.

That's correct in general as what you withdraw is the only profit basically but this has nothing to do with rigged casino. I bet on known casinos but even then I suddenly verify few rolls randomly to make sure the casino is legit and fair.

[ReiMomo]

don't quite understand what you are saying but i think most of the dice game have their verifier tools to check if they are fair or there's a guide on how to verify them and maybe you could use other website's tool to check if they are fair.

That's right, you can check on your own if the dice is legitimately operating and giving the correct hash and it's not manipulated by the gambling operators.

When you start rooling the dice, the site will provide you a server seed and string converted to become hash which is players can able to verify on it. In you browser, it will generate randomly a hash per bet and it should not repeatedly have result, 1 roll per 1 hash provided. So, if you know how to verify provably fair system works, you will I guess easily identify the true essence of provably fair in dice gambling.

[Sadlife]

when you cash out i supposed that means to withdrew . how can they rape you if your gonna withdrew ? betting bigger does not also make the system cheat you unless they are built to do that . never has beaten the house but you can win more the moment you already won , that is if you got lucky  .

 so many dice games now are provably fair but  not to the point that they are actually fair to give you more winning easily .

Dice games are built with programs using algorithms, in fact someone posted here in this section those algorithms because he was looking to get hired with his development skills, So the results are not completely random, we do not know if the house or game is completely legit. Or they just want to milk all your money out of you. That's why skill based games are more preferred or sports betting because its much more trustworthy.

[arwin100]

when you cash out i supposed that means to withdrew . how can they rape you if your gonna withdrew ? betting bigger does not also make the system cheat you unless they are built to do that . never has beaten the house but you can win more the moment you already won , that is if you got lucky  .

 so many dice games now are provably fair but  not to the point that they are actually fair to give you more winning easily .

Dice games are built with programs using algorithms, in fact someone posted here in this section those algorithms because he was looking to get hired with his development skills, So the results are not completely random, we do not know if the house or game is completely legit. Or they just want to milk all your money out of you. That's why skill based games are more preferred or sports betting because its much more trustworthy.

The question is not based on difference of sports betting and dice but the one asked by OP is the fair dice games available. And for that matters it's good for us to go with casino's which have large number of communities,active support and also exist for such a long time since on that casino we can rely a little bit that they are legit and fair.

[Eureka_07]

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The question is not based on difference of sports betting and dice but the one asked by OP is the fair dice games available. And for that matters it's good for us to go with casino's which have large number of communities,active support and also exist for such a long time since on that casino we can rely a little bit that they are legit and fair.

And the house edge of casinos are most probably enough for them to win over their players in a long run.
If they happen to do some kind of cheating, sooner or later their company will be sued and taken down.
It's hard to hide anything in cyberspace specially if it is cheating.

Compromising their legitimacy over some kind of cheating will absolutely result to huge decline over the trust of players on their casino.
So better to rely on their house edge.

[ShowOff]

The question is not based on difference of sports betting and dice but the one asked by OP is the fair dice games available. And for that matters it's good for us to go with casino's which have large number of communities,active support and also exist for such a long time since on that casino we can rely a little bit that they are legit and fair.

Proving to be fair is one of the must-have features of a gambling site. This is the best way to make customers believe that the site is fair to all players. I think if the site doesn't have this then I dare not say that the site is fair to all players. All player on the site can verify that they are really getting justice in the game.
Fairness is not on the popularity of a gambling site, but on sites that uphold the trust of customer in it. So in my opinion site fairness is a must for all player.

Roobet offers this, I guess you can check it out too. https://roobet.com/fair
The same is true of the Duelbits website. https://duelbits.com/fairness

[FontSeli]

don't quite understand what you are saying but i think most of the dice game have their verifier tools to check if they are fair or there's a guide on how to verify them and maybe you could use other website's tool to check if they are fair.

The best way to check the integrity of a gambling site is to study its history and reputation. You should find out how long this site has been in existence and study all possible reviews about it. First of all, you need to pay attention to negative reviews and how site representatives react to them. If a gambling site has been around for a long time and has few bad reviews, then this is the best test of honesty.
Scammers will not be able to exist for a long time, cheating quickly becomes noticeable.

[bitcoin31]

Many gambling sites are offer fair dice games where you good to play but you need to know what is legit among them.
Actually we did not know what is fair or not because we did not see the system behind, but I'm pretty much sure that they did not lose the owner of the gambling sites because it is a system already that they input only the players is possible to lose and to win but for them are not.

[AliMan]

when you cash out i supposed that means to withdrew . how can they rape you if your gonna withdrew ? betting bigger does not also make the system cheat you unless they are built to do that . never has beaten the house but you can win more the moment you already won , that is if you got lucky  .

 so many dice games now are provably fair but  not to the point that they are actually fair to give you more winning easily .

Dice games are built with programs using algorithms, in fact someone posted here in this section those algorithms because he was looking to get hired with his development skills, So the results are not completely random, we do not know if the house or game is completely legit. Or they just want to milk all your money out of you. That's why skill based games are more preferred or sports betting because its much more trustworthy.

The question is not based on difference of sports betting and dice but the one asked by OP is the fair dice games available. And for that matters it's good for us to go with casino's which have large number of communities,active support and also exist for such a long time since on that casino we can rely a little bit that they are legit and fair.

That's very important to determine which casinos that have active followers who patronized dice games. Unknown sites is potentially dangerous for us, so it's better to be picky on selecting them before entrusting our betting funds. There's a lot of feedbacks that scammers also used betting sites that replicates the legit one, and unfortunately people used to deposit their money but suddenly lost it all after account was breach by hackers.

[livingfree]

Actually we did not know what is fair or not because we did not see the system behind, but I'm pretty much sure that they did not lose the owner of the gambling sites because it is a system already that they input only the players is possible to lose and to win but for them are not.

You can know which is fair and which is not.

There's provably fair for most dice sites and you can verify it. But if you're not confident knowing it, just go with the flow and the crowd where they are mostly playing dice.

A crowd that's legitimate and not just a bunch of shills that are directing you where to play.

[South Park]

Actually we did not know what is fair or not because we did not see the system behind, but I'm pretty much sure that they did not lose the owner of the gambling sites because it is a system already that they input only the players is possible to lose and to win but for them are not.

You can know which is fair and which is not.

There's provably fair for most dice sites and you can verify it. But if you're not confident knowing it, just go with the flow and the crowd where they are mostly playing dice.

A crowd that's legitimate and not just a bunch of shills that are directing you where to play.

This, if people do not want to go through the trouble of verifying that each one of their bets was won or lost legitimately they can just move to some of the most reputable casinos in the forum and for the most part they will be safe from casinos modifying the results after the fact or trying to scam them, and yet for the most part people do not follow this simply recommendation and follow links on social media that leads them to a casino that no one knows about which eventually scams them.