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October 08, 2020, 01:35:32 PM
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Please join with us in solidarity in kicking this scamming freerolling sportsbook off of the internet for good (let's start with bitcointalk)



Leave a flag here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154563
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October 09, 2020, 02:47:48 PM
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It's because they have been getting away with this so long.  The guy who made the video is a genius and a warrior for the bitcoin wagering community.  The fact that he made this video 4 months ago and people still are depositing to this site is telling. Bitcointalk needs to take action against Cloudbet if they continue to not pay out Efxes and other people they are scamming that is coming to light.

"Cloudbet Casino Scam Exposed Do Not Play At Cloudbet Casino Cloudbet Casino Review Casino Scam"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwrfQSJVJXU

He made this video 4 months ago warning people about Cloudbet!  But clearly more will need to be done to fight them stealing from the bitcoin community.

And then he made this video:

Cloudbet Scams Customer For $15,000 Cloudbet Scam Exposed Cloudbet Review DO NOT PLAY AT CLOUDBET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sqZqdsVNEU
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October 09, 2020, 09:35:39 PM
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I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit

1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/bc45fb9115e5ecbed7b7dad9e451c17199af77fc4c9f7f2271dca4184b3c6d48
2BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/85681098d5a25c32d13c51594b16be6c7eb5719f75778fed1fefc760583f4f03
3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a710344ff678329f51768902280147

I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cf139d036a7b561e940ccf9e0e2419a70838805b302771192100e49070c04d8b

and a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b1e4b40416eb4f471ed66ee7c5fd5679cee39f38b7240660ad5e0db6bd854528


From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.

At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.

I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:

124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cfafbb8455234532e8a25dd849d26b4755ab7c5e87e6acc0e3552e26b870ce2d

I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).

Those final deposits the final day can be found here:

24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c

20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a83

16 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b1

3 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa

11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3



So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.

Then I receive this:

Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

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Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:

I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet





NOTE:  MODS, I have removed any links to any other sites besides transaction histories
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October 09, 2020, 10:16:58 PM
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I'm almost positive this is the guy who owns cloudbet.  He's tracking the stuff down all over the web and freaking the F out.  His busines is going down in flames.
Sorry to link this thread over at the other site but it's very relevant.  These guys are the worst type of scum on earth, fighting to steal money from the community.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p4.html




Bitcointalk, I will be back in 48 hours once this thing settles.  I need a break for the sake of my sanity.  Never going to let this rest until I'm paid or they stop accepting deposits.  One of the two.
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October 09, 2020, 10:22:29 PM
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I've seen related cases from CloudBet before and they usually give the winnings to their bettors back even if they are living in the US, but your case is different in a way that you are just a US resident playing in Mexico and I think what got you in trouble is providing US documents and not in anyway proving that you are playing in Mexico. I think the solution here is for you to follow-up a document showing proof that your are indeed domiciled in Mexico during those periods like a Utility bill named after you or maybe a hotel receipt showing that you are staying in Mexico during those bets. Also for Cloudbet I think we have seen several of these cases already so I think you need to find a solution on handling US players/residents entering and playing your site.
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October 09, 2020, 10:25:27 PM
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I've seen related cases from CloudBet before and they usually give the winnings to their bettors back even if they are living in the US, but your case is different in a way that you are just a US resident playing in Mexico and I think what got you in trouble is providing US documents and not in anyway proving that you are playing in Mexico. I think the solution here is for you to follow-up a document showing proof that your are indeed domiciled in Mexico during those periods like a Utility bill named after you or maybe a hotel receipt showing that you are staying in Mexico during those bets. Also for Cloudbet I think we have seen several of these cases already so I think you need to find a solution on handling US players/residents entering and playing your site.

Harlot, I sent them in hotel receipts, a utility bill/statement with my address in mexico, I sent them even a note from my temporary month to month landlord in spanish signed.  I tried everything, but the truth is they have a history of stealing from winning sports bettors.

I've sent them everything they need.  They simply are a scam operation that steals from winning sports bettors, and also from the sounds of it they rig their casino and even use replayed live casino betting where you're not even betting on a live dealer, it's a recording.

The evidence is insurmountable against this scam operation.

Here's another piece of evidence against them.  They have been stealing for YEARS.
https://www.realscam.com/f9/cloudbet-ponzi-style-scam-sportsbook-do-not-play-there-5438/
For those who don't know, Cloudbet.com is a bitcoin sportsbook/casino. For a small bettor and most bettors they would seem like a legit book because most of them are losing bettors and if they pay out the small to medium bettors. But if you are a long term winning bettor they will find every excuse to not only keep your winnings but also your original deposit. They change their terms on conditions on the go as they please to justify their decisions.

I am a success full bettor and i follow a successful syndicate tipster Max XXXXXX from maxXXXXXX.com. Entire 2018 my go to book was pinnacle and betcris and I had no problem betting and getting paid there. But the limits in those books for some of the college football/basketball games are only $3000. This is when I decided to check out cloudbook since they tout themselves as the highest limit sportsbook. During the the final 2 weeks of december, college basketball bowl season, Max XXXXXX, posted all 6 of his 5 unit plays well ahead of time since the lines were out. This was a great opportunity for me to go heavy because he usually has only 2 to 3 five unit tips each month. I wanted to bet all 6 big and also play a parlay. Cloudbet already has sent me an offer earlier in 2018 where they offered 100% matching bonus for max of 5 bitcoins. This means they will match my deposit for up to 5 bitcoins. I decided try it and opened an account with cloudbet and deposited 5bitcoin and my account was credit extra 5 bitcoin for a total of 10 bitcoin. I went ahead and placed 1.5 bitcoin bet on each of the 6 bets and 1 bitcoin bet on a 6 team parlay. All 6 games won including the parlay and I i won total of 53 bitcoins and my total balance in my account now is 63 bitcoin. On the first week of January, I requested a withdrawal of 40 bitcoins into my bitcoin wallet and it was never processed. Customer service that responded almost instantly when i asked questions about depositing now took days to respond. They kept saying they are investigating few things and the payment will be processed upon completion. During the investigation they asked so many things for identification (nonsense because as a bitcoin book they tout themselves as a book to play anonymously) but i complied and gave them everything. THey concluded that I broke their terms and conditions and closed my account without any payment, not even my original deposit. I didn't break any rules. Only thing that I did was follow a tipster and no where in their terms and condition it says that I cannot follow syndicate tipsters. This month i found out that I was not alone. There is a complaint of a heavy hitter, probably another maxXXXXX client, complaining about cloudbet holding 338 of bitcoins after he deposited 112 bitcoins and ran up it up to 338 with winnings. You can find his story in bitcointalk forum adn as well as ask gamblers forums and few blogs/media covered his story as well. There are numerous other complaints.

cloudbet is a scam. if you are a winning bettor or big bettor, stay away.




and watch this video made four months ago with all of the various scam accusations against their casino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwrfQSJVJXU 

I don't bet casino i just bet sports and i generally win at tennis and they don't like that so they steal from you and boot you out of the casino like scum.
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October 09, 2020, 10:30:12 PM
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I've seen related cases from CloudBet before and they usually give the winnings to their bettors back even if they are living in the US, but your case is different in a way that you are just a US resident playing in Mexico and I think what got you in trouble is providing US documents and not in anyway proving that you are playing in Mexico. I think the solution here is for you to follow-up a document showing proof that your are indeed domiciled in Mexico during those periods like a Utility bill named after you or maybe a hotel receipt showing that you are staying in Mexico during those bets. Also for Cloudbet I think we have seen several of these cases already so I think you need to find a solution on handling US players/residents entering and playing your site.

i gave them all teh documentation they need to process the cashout. 

Whether I"m in Mexico or not, I'm tired of dealing with that argument that they use to selectively scam winning bettors out of money.  If it wasn't USA it was going to be something else:  please trust me.
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October 09, 2020, 10:32:09 PM
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taking this break now.  i will respond to whatever, but please don't tell me they shouldn't pay me.  it's insulting.  for whatever reason, TOS violations, whatever.  they need to pay me back the deposits.  Please don't go there.

See you all on Sunday or Monday.

I'm almost positive this is the guy who owns cloudbet.  He's tracking the stuff down all over the web and freaking the F out.  His busines is going down in flames.
Sorry to link this thread over at the other site but it's very relevant.  These guys are the worst type of scum on earth, fighting to steal money from the community.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p4.html




Bitcointalk, I will be back in 48 hours once this thing settles.  I need a break for the sake of my sanity.  Never going to let this rest until I'm paid or they stop accepting deposits.  One of the two.
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October 10, 2020, 05:32:28 AM
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I've seen related cases from CloudBet before and they usually give the winnings to their bettors back even if they are living in the US, but your case is different in a way that you are just a US resident playing in Mexico and I think what got you in trouble is providing US documents and not in anyway proving that you are playing in Mexico. I think the solution here is for you to follow-up a document showing proof that your are indeed domiciled in Mexico during those periods like a Utility bill named after you or maybe a hotel receipt showing that you are staying in Mexico during those bets. Also for Cloudbet I think we have seen several of these cases already so I think you need to find a solution on handling US players/residents entering and playing your site.

It really is that simple. Problem is that he has lied all the way through.

He had a post here on September 23rd that read:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55251268#msg55251268
"I just sent in all my verifying documents.  I could really really use the funds and I really like the site.  I've lost a lot of money to you guys, like a lot of BTC over the years, I just forget what my old logins are.  and I mean a LOT of bitcoin lol.  But i still keep coming back."

Then when Cloudbet sent their response with their decision, reasoning, and his avenue to get paid
"In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet"

he wrote:
So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.

They just want to steal the money.


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He's being so unfair and lying at every turn. Total smear campaign that shouldn't be allowed. No I don't own Cloudbet. Yes I am a poster on SBR. There is a thread on there that will outline most of the real details of what has happened here.
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October 10, 2020, 09:35:48 AM
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Again, guys. Cloudbet obviously wants this argument to be whether or not I was in the USA or Mexico. It plays in their favor. Red Apples is so blatant in having some sort of financial gain in me not being paid or smushing my power to speak up against Cloudbet.

But in the end, USA or not doesn't matter. Because I should be at least owed the decency of being returned my last deposits. Not freerolled.

Again: I should at least have the decency of being returned my last deposits on the account, and not freerolled- so return the account balance now.
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October 10, 2020, 10:23:53 AM
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Cloudbet last login since forever, coincidence that it lines up with RedApples creating an account shortly after?  I think not.  It gets deeper just return the money cloudbet.  My time is more valuable than this.

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https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3600843-need-help-betcoin-ag-industry-feedback-appreciated.html#post29429714
This is a post RedApples made bashing Betcoin for their policies.  So what changed with Cloudbet?  Looks like a competitor to me.


You're not very slick are you, Cloudbet.  Go start another scambook this one is ruined.
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October 10, 2020, 02:52:13 PM
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This isn't a joke.  This is my deposit address, I want the money I deposited to your site back in this address NOW.  
bitcoincash:qzv3tckrxlqu7fx5pywl34xvrvwe4ps0zy754zgsua

You are playing with my time, and everyone else's.  The community does not need to see this immaturity from a big company like yours.

From above post to quote YOU talking about Betcoin, your competitor:



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"...all money in the account will evaporate, is that simply 'within their rules' and not stealing?  Surely it would still be stealing.  It's too gross and abusive and predatory" -red apples
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So you know what you do to people scamming the USA bitcoin community and you continue to do it because you get off on it.  Hmm, really awesome.  You must have so much deep love for yourself.  Such a stand-up operator.  cloudbetscamsDOTCOM is totally in the right for wanting expose you to protect the community we all enjoy and respect.






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He also seems to be an expert on sportsbook laws and federal crimes in the USA and world gambling law.



Quite the expert in gambling law eh my man?  just pay the money, make this all stop.  please.  that's all i ask.


https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/3622916-there-any-legitimate-honest-trustworthy-offshore-sportsbooks-out-there-now.html#post29742496

pay me what i deposited.  just pay it.  Mr. owner of Cloudbet

Red Apples = Owner of Cloudbet

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He's also an expert in running a sportsbook, talking about automatic grading, clicking a button to grade bets, and you won't even believe this:

turning scams into profitable marketing opportunities




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Remember how obsessed Cloudbet is with betting odds for USA politics and how obsessed they are in general with USA politics?  You won't find a shortage of Red Apples political posts either!  Dude is obviously jealous AF of USA citizens and likely scared AF about the feds.  Expert in all of it.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/politics-economics/3131459-donald-trumps-us-president-odds-improving-p2101.html#post29303352
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October 10, 2020, 04:07:21 PM
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I need the deposits back.  I'm destitute, broke.  Cloudbet broke me.  I need the money because I don't have any.  I'm broke.  I need it back, it's unfair what they are doing, they stole from not just me but from the community.  

I'm not the one with the website, I just have given my info and story to him, he's been helping me.  I think he'll continue on after this to make sure more people are paid and also stopping people from being scammed by this site that will never ever change their ways.

Cloudbet: I am advising you to get in touch with SBRforums immediately in order to have my rep Brad work with you in order to get me paid. Let's get this done. SBR are my boys they know what to do, they side with books but also with players let's please do what we can to get this done. You have insulted Sportsbookreview by not responding to the requests to talk to senior management.
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October 10, 2020, 09:27:32 PM
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It really is that simple. Problem is that he has lied all the way through.

To be clear I am not siding with Cloudbet here since the OP clearly have shown evidence that he is just a US citizen playing in Mexico during his bets which clearly doesn't make him violate anything with regards to his winnings. If he was only in US soil while betting could give Cloudbet locking his account some justice.

Harlot, I sent them in hotel receipts, a utility bill/statement with my address in mexico, I sent them even a note from my temporary month to month landlord in spanish signed.  I tried everything, but the truth is they have a history of stealing from winning sports bettors.

I've sent them everything they need.  They simply are a scam operation that steals from winning sports bettors, and also from the sounds of it they rig their casino and even use replayed live casino betting where you're not even betting on a live dealer, it's a recording.

The evidence is insurmountable against this scam operation.


If that is the case then I see no reason why they are holding up your winnings until now. But like I said I've seen similar cases before and it usually takes weeks for them to be resolve so I think you have to wait for Cloudbet's slow response with your concern and lets just hope that they give your winnings back.
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October 10, 2020, 10:14:10 PM
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Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean.  I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside.  I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean.  I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head.  But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life.  So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way.  Money doesn't come easy to me.


1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2.  I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen.  Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports.  I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam.  I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there.  I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF.  $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff. 


5.  The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years.  A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis.  I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk).  I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000.  I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that).  When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again.  I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6.  I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid.  The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things.  I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me.  I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community.  Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players.  So I'm not really fearing anything.  I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys).  So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them.  Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at.  And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet:  feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life.  I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker. 

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid.  I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start.  Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me.  I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified.  I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair.  Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back. 

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information.  Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making.  Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety.  I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that.  It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff. 


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.
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October 11, 2020, 01:34:45 PM
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Another confession: I have mistaken the last deposits, I thought the last 3 BCH and 11 BCH were from cloudbet they were not but you can see here my last 4 deposits and they add to 84 BCH.

On the last day within 2 hours I send three successive deposits of 60 BCH total (24, 20, 16)
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv

This is the BCH wallet address.  I added on with each of those BCH deposits to the balance with the previous day's BCH balance I believe, though I know for sure the 60BCH wasn't because I lost, those were all basically one deposit.

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I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.

You don't need to answer any more you have given everything now you have two threads here with a similar topic here and on Cloudbet official thread your posts have become redundant and I don't know long can you keep up with this, but you have done a good job ruining Cloudbet, this is by far their biggest accusation and it will stand for years to come.



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October 11, 2020, 02:09:01 PM
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I am extremely disappointed after reading this confession. I will not be posting in this thread again.

Regardless of what the truth actually is - you seem to have lied multiple times and now cannot be trusted at all.

I have removed my support of the flag against Cloudbet and have removed my negative trust for them too because I am no longer interested in this drama.

I even sent them a PM yesterday asking for them to release the funds as it was affecting your mental well-being but since all that was exaggerated I will not be participating in your issue again:

Hello,

Kindly resolve the issue with efxes because the whole thing is beginning to affect his mental well being as can be seen in this post here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55351948#msg55351948

I hope you can return his funds to him without accepting responsibility or liability for what happened and you can continue to claim you were within the rights of your ToS to do it and he can make a promise to not post about Cloudbet again or play at your website again. I will make a personal request to the owner of the Cloudbet scam website to take it down too.

Kindly consider this request please because your reputation is getting damaged and also the fact efxes is suffering.

Thank you






Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean.  I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside.  I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean.  I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head.  But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life.  So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way.  Money doesn't come easy to me.


1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2.  I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen.  Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports.  I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam.  I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there.  I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF.  $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff. 


5.  The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years.  A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis.  I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk).  I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000.  I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that).  When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again.  I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6.  I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid.  The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things.  I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me.  I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community.  Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players.  So I'm not really fearing anything.  I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys).  So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them.  Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at.  And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet:  feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life.  I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker. 

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid.  I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start.  Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me.  I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified.  I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair.  Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back. 

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information.  Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making.  Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety.  I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that.  It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff. 


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.

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