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September 29, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
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I'm constantly seeing posts by new members asking for help because they have been banned for breaking the rules here. Now i shouldn't really have to start a thread like this, but please read the rules before you get chucked out of the forum. You should also know that you shouldn't plagiarise other people's work. That included images as well as text. I know it is tempting to post a startling revelation that you have read, but don't just copy it. Provide a link, and add a comment to explain why the concept is so interesting. This rule is common to most forums on the net.

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September 29, 2020, 12:48:35 PM
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This is something done by a lot of newbies as either they really don't know what to post or they aren't aware what they are doing is counted as plagiarism. The latter mainly involved people who still paraphrase or just copy the whole content without providing any links both of which will just merit you a violation for plagiarism. When I say the word "paraphrase" they aren't really paraphrasing the text they have copied but they just simply switch words with other similar words just to make it look like their own which isn't really the right way of doing paraphrasing. Paraphrasing in a sense must be done after you have understood the text and then explaining it in your own words, for me this is much easier compared to looking for synonyms and then just replacing it.
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September 29, 2020, 12:57:11 PM
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Actually those ban users are the old users who were here before doing copy and paste posts but are now getting reported and ban. As I had check the altcoins and bounty section most of the users joining in the campaign are newbies that could do social media bounty. Barely I can see a jr. member rank and up doing bounty reports. Most reports nowadays are not done in the forum too where thet required to use the google form in their bounty reports. It seems like there is huge improvement from the day the rank and merit system was implemented. Active online members are few and so does the activity here in the forum. I do not know if it is a good indicator for the forum or not but only I can say that rank and merit system has made a great impact to reduce activity traffic in the forum.
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September 29, 2020, 12:58:07 PM
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I also read the content of a member who is asking help for his /her account, well, in fact, he had admitted that he committed plagiarism, so basically, he/she doesn't even read first the rules of the forum because he/she has the courage to post that appeal. He made a mistake by committing a violation which resulted in the banning of the account.

Being a beginner is not an excuse to be free from violating the rules, we should obey or follow it because it will make our forum organized. We should also respect our moderators because they are just doing their job for our forum.

Just to help beginners, here are the good links to help them:
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September 29, 2020, 12:59:03 PM
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Plagiarism and spamming belongs to the same illegitimate categories, it is usually done by people that do not want to learn but to copy and paste other peoples contents. Some people even do not know where the rules are, all they want to do is to post, some people are clearly seeing the link to the rules but they do not want to read it at all until they make mistake. But, normally, why are newbies like copying, this is wrong, and at least, there is an option to include the link, but they will still not. I too will advise them to read the rules, and they should not copy and paste, even if it a a single line they copied from another source, the link must be added to it, they should go on the forum easy, it is not only about posting, but also about posting quality contents that are authentic and meritable.

The best newbies can do is to first learn, not only thinking about the merit, but learning how merited posts are, with time, they will get to know the forum better, instead of rushing. If they know about the forum to and extent, they will see the forum so interesting. But, the start may not be easy as they have to learn a lot rather than plagiarizing and spamming what could get them into trouble all because they want to earn merits. If they learn, merit will come there ways.

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September 29, 2020, 02:41:38 PM
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Please give me one post to advertise my topic [TIPS] to avoid plagiarism

In last one month, plagiarism violations and ban appeals are increasing.

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September 29, 2020, 02:49:33 PM
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Although this topic has been discussed multiple times, reminding a good thing will help newbies to realize the result of plagiarism. To be honest, the main problem is newbies aren't encouraged to read forum rules and eventually ending up with the ban. Most newbies have been joining on the forum just for earning money and they do not care about contributions. Who copy-pasting other's work, they know that's it's a crime since they copy-pasting it consciously. But they don't know that they would get a ban for this.

No one can help us if we don't like to help ourselves. We should have the sense to realize which is wrong and which is right. There are so many things we should learn on the forum including forum rules. Although we can't help others we can save our own account by avoiding plagiarism.

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September 29, 2020, 02:54:07 PM
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They are too lazy to embrace the power of change, most of them don't care much about the forum rules but will care to make complaints after account BAN for plagiarism. Basically, the forum has given many options in this regard but yet noobs don't want this soft landing: do the copy and ensure to include the links to the content isn't much to ask of.

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September 29, 2020, 03:01:47 PM
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To add to what others have said, the rules require you to add a link for it not to be plagiarism, but sometimes adding just a link after copying the original post or article verbatim is somewhat plagiarism (even if you'll likely not be banned), and could get your account nuked or banned temporarily, if a user keeps up with that style of posting.

It's a pretty easy way for lazy users to make posts and Increase their activity, especially in the press board and other sections of the forum, but if you are sharing someone's article, you should put it in a way other users can discuss on the subject, and you should likewise share your opinion for other users to discuss, as only a link is most times hardly enough.

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September 29, 2020, 03:14:00 PM
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I also read the content of a member who is asking help for his /her account, well, in fact, he had admitted that he committed plagiarism, so basically, he/she doesn't even read first the rules of the forum because he/she has the courage to post that appeal. He made a mistake by committing a violation which resulted in the banning of the account.

Being a beginner is not an excuse to be free from violating the rules, we should obey or follow it because it will make our forum organized. We should also respect our moderators because they are just doing their job for our forum.

Just to help beginners, here are the good links to help them:
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
Newbies - Read before posting



Plagiarism is also illegal in other websites and other platforms, so a newbie can't reason anything if they are committed plagiarism.

I guess the main thing here in newbies are just lazy to read the rules here in the forum but its also difficult to find where the rules if your just a newbie, but still a lot of members help newbies to know what is the rules of the forum and its no brainer to not read the rules first when stating in a forum so you can't really make an excuse to the moderators.

In my observation newbies are lazy to make their own post so they copy something in google and make it their own without putting links or any acknowledgment.

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New users always don't read forum rules so they are always banned from forums because they follow existing regulations, about content plagiarism now there is a lot of happening even discussions shared with their links don't think what is being discussed I think they just copy without thinking about anything else that posts like that are wrong, and obviously I think beginners should be able to see how to post with existing sources

I think this needs action to prevent them from committing plagiarism and it violates forum rules.

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September 29, 2020, 04:18:08 PM
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New users always don't read forum rules so they are always banned from forums because they follow existing regulations, about content plagiarism
With regards to this quote and in light with OP, I like to ask this question:
Is it that, the pinned post/sticky thread isn't click bait enough? Or
New users don't really understand the rules and so choose to ignore or just wants to test it?

It's actually a problem as the trend can continue if not treated.
The pinned post or sticky thread had been made that way, as the top posts on every board so as to be, the first point of contact upon access to any board.

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Last edit: September 30, 2020, 06:19:38 AM by DdmrDdmr
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Perhaps a gentle reminder in a place nobody can avoid could go a long way … although probably still rendering mild results, but you can’t really beat about the bush with someone who does not take the explicit hints, such as is exemplified in the image below (see text in red):



Note:  I’m pretty sure that, in all likelihood, this has been proposed before, although I do not recall if and when (*). It could be a message that displays constantly, or only for certain ranks and/or time.

(*) found it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5054399.msg47116912#msg47116912
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September 29, 2020, 04:58:16 PM
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I'm constantly seeing posts by new members asking for help because they have been banned for breaking the rules here. Now i shouldn't really have to start a thread like this, but please read the rules before you get chucked out of the forum.
There are some types of them:
- They know the rules but still don't believe the punishment
- They do not know and do not want to know
- They are in hurry to post something that they see/think/feel
- They only follow other, make posts (no matter what)
- They really don't know and they are lazy

Well, we may not say all of the newbies are doing this, but some of them did those.
Shitposters and plagiarism, very common to be found here  Grin

I also read the content of a member who is asking help for his /her account, well, in fact, he had admitted that he committed plagiarism,
They will admit doing so because they have been punished and will still do the same if they are not yet punished.

or sometimes, they also don't know what meant by "plagiarism"?? Grin Grin

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September 29, 2020, 05:33:23 PM
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Everyone in the forum is obliged to obey the rules properly, it is made to ensure a safe, stable, and peaceful community. Associated with the rules is the punishment, so once you have committed some mistakes when it comes to the rules then you have to accept the responsibility wholeheartedly because you chose that path. If you are thinking of copying other people's work, think of the time, effort, and the work he poured just to finish it.
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Last edit: September 29, 2020, 07:42:31 PM by Lordhermes
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As I was reading your post, I felt the anger in you Jet cash, to be sincere,  you are not supposed to be creating this type of thread, but I think you need to make it clear that enough is enough. It's really pained to see series of ban appeals on meta board because of plagiarism mistakes which however mod kept dumb ears to them and that's perfect.

There was a specific reason why the pinned post of beginners and help board is titled  "newbies-read before posting" that is to help secure new registrants from performing plagiarism and copy pasting contents habit, but instead they ignore those thread and start posting uninstructively. It's really good as you came in B&H board to lay your concern because the fault specifically comes from here. I hope this could be reduced in due time.
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As I was reading your post, I felt the anger in you Jet cash, to be sincere,  you not supposed to be creating this type of thread, but I think you need to make it clear that enough is enough.

Probably we both are reading a different thread because I see no atom of anger in the post above instead it sounds like a concerned forum user airing his views on the current trending topic and just giving some friendly advise as bonus. From my observation the rate of plagiarism is steadily reducing or probably I'm been decieved with the lack of frequent appeals in their numbers as we had before. Forgive my ignorance though if none of the above statements are accurate since I barely spend much time on meta board this days. There's enough captivating discussion going on, on other board than that of the meta board.

Plagiarism isn't a new word so we all should be familiarize with it by now. It's that simple that if you genuinely what to contribute to a discussion, you should do so without having to copy someone else works to pass it as yours. The rules has been on the forum for a very long time that no one has the excuse of not seeing them as a reason to go plagiarism someone else work.

If you're to understand plagiarism as 'Stealing' then you'll get the reason behind it having a huge punishments as permanent ban for most cases. It pains me too that brilliant minds are getting blinded by wanting to impress others in hurting for merit as a result, ends up plagiarizing brilliant works from the web to pass it as theirs. Just maybe if some pressure are reduce from this new members in creating high standpipe posts, then the rate of this crime on the forum will reduce. That's let's just let the new members been themselves instead of pressuring them into what they aren't.

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Perhaps a gentle reminder in a place nobody can avoid could go a long way …
I doubt it would bring any of good benefits at all as they don't care actually. Plagiarist always thought they could get away from forum mods or they don't care. There are very few plagiarist who plagiarize without knowing how much stupid work it is. More or less plagiarism is known to everyone and they are well aware of plagiarism in other places too.

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Note:  I’m pretty sure that, in all likelihood, this has been proposed before, although I do not recall if and when. It could be a message that displays constantly, or only for certain ranks and/or time.

Yeah it has been proposed before but I can't find the thread at the moment.

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Many people don't know what is plagiarism and the forum maybe the first place from which they learn the word plagiarism. Its cost to learn here is not good, permanent ban as a person not as a user or member.

In developing nations, plagiarism is not a problem, governments don't care, universities don't care or if they care, tools to detect plagiarism and rules for plagiarism are not clear, not well discussed and composed.

I read some members say the forum is the only one forum that has permanent ban if members do plagiarism. Is this info correct?

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As I was reading your post, I felt the anger in you Jet cash, to be sincere,  you not supposed to be creating this type of thread, but I think you need to make it clear that enough is enough.

Probably we both are reading a different thread because I see no atom of anger in the post above instead it sounds like a concerned forum user airing his views on the current trending topic and just giving some friendly advise as bonus. From my observation the rate of plagiarism is steadily reducing or probably I'm been decieved with the lack of frequent appeals in their numbers as we had before. Forgive my ignorance though if none of the above statements are accurate since I barely spend much time on meta board this days. There's enough captivating discussion going on, on other board than that of the meta board.


Yes, you are right. The plagiarism rate has decreased. But instead, plagiarism appeared, which is very difficult to detect. Instead of really expressing their thoughts, the newcomers began to paraphrase previously published texts. The saddest thing is that the beginners themselves do not want to understand what they are doing wrong.
At the moment I'm interested in two accounts, which for some reasons are not prohibited by moderators.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55263911#msg55263911
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55284592#msg55284592
 Any topic they create is simply paraphrased.

Therefore, it is still too early to talk about the success of eliminating plagiarism on the forum. Yes, we should be lenient with newbies, but only when it is not about direct violations.


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