Not enough Corona Virus Vaccine until 2024, at earliest

[FlightyPouch]

it looks like the economy is becoming more and more dangerous.  We haven't gone through the 10-year cycle of economic collapse yet so I think it will happen in the near future.
That is a wake-up call for those dreaming about bitcoin that could rise to $ 20k this year, wake up and look at the market honestly. 

Without vaccine we will for almost sure not see Bitcoin at $20k this year. Next year we for almost certainly will. A lot of things would need to happen for Bitcoin not reach $20k in 2021.

Do the vaccine and the price of bitcoin has this correlation? Or maybe it is not just the the vaccine but the economy as a whole being affected that might affect the crypto currency market?

[bryant.coleman]

Without vaccine we will for almost sure not see Bitcoin at $20k this year. Next year we for almost certainly will. A lot of things would need to happen for Bitcoin not reach $20k in 2021.

The economy has been restarted in most countries and if the trend continues, then the market recovery will start from early next year. In that case, the introduction of the vaccine is not going to have much impact. Also, even if the vaccine is available, it is going to take at least 6 months to vaccinate all the 7.5 billion people who are living in this planet.

[jademaxsuy]

It could be by controlling the number of vaccines and a high demand from different countries around the world high chances that they could control too the market price of the vaccine in favor for themselves. This is not ideal though in these tryinh times of pandemic but we do not have choice if they will going to act like this for their self interest. Still saving humanity considered as business for them. It so sad but yeah this is still business for them to take care off.

Hopefully tha one day all will return back to normal and not like this.

[lixer]

And who said everyone will be needing the vaccine? They have not even released any vaccine yet and we don’t know how the vaccines works and what might possibly be the after-effects, if there are any.

So, they should stop all these talks of how many vaccines should be enough for the whole world. And moreover, the way I am seeing it most of them manufacturers are after making money with this covid-19 and nothing more, because I have seen someone talk about their planned outrageous prices when they know for sure that not everyone will afford that kind of amount, unless the ones that will be coming foundations that are giving out for free.

[Vishnu.Reang]

And who said everyone will be needing the vaccine? They have not even released any vaccine yet and we don’t know how the vaccines works and what might possibly be the after-effects, if there are any.

So, they should stop all these talks of how many vaccines should be enough for the whole world. And moreover, the way I am seeing it most of them manufacturers are after making money with this covid-19 and nothing more, because I have seen someone talk about their planned outrageous prices when they know for sure that not everyone will afford that kind of amount, unless the ones that will be coming foundations that are giving out for free.

I don't agree with this statement. From what I have seen, most of the pharmaceutical companies are pricing their vaccines at around $3 per dose. Only Moderna and a few others have said that their vaccines would cost more. In the end, the governments will be paying the bills and the ordinary citizens will be getting the vaccines free of cost. Availability is the concern for me, not the cost.

[Sapphire915]

The CEO might be the head of the world largest vaccine producer but not the fastest vaccine producer, because the first line/fastest vaccine a Human has is their immune and nature.

All the talks of the vaccines distribution when no vaccine has been cleared by all stages officially like some wishes floating on the air, the world can not be crawling and be anticipating the realise of a vaccine which is not Sure if the after affect of it won't be worse than the virus.
I won't debate about if the pharmaceutical industry want to use this vaccination as a money making adventure, because it obvious that every business want to make money.
Also how would they distribute their vaccine, highest bidder method? Am guessing. the global economy can not lay down in wait for a vaccine for that long.

A lot of pharma industries are in this race to produce vaccine because we all know that they are in it for money.  But until 2024? Guess a lot of population are already gone by that time. They said, Chinese vaccine will be out this year and others. We will see how effective these vaccines are. For sure, how they will distribute is which country has the highest bid. So more than likely, a lot of first world countries will have the opportunity to have access on this vaccine.

Yes, there are lots of pharmaceutical industries who are now in the race to create and produce more vaccines for the whole world. We dont need to worry, I guess it wont take that long to release more vaccines in the market. But, I am sure that the rich countries will be the first priority as expected.

[South Park]

Yes, because in 2024 we will all be inmuned. According to WHO, more than 10% of the population of the world is already immune, and i think this is going to be the real vaccine for 2021

Even if the vaccine arrive in the year 2021 then it will be the fastest vaccine developed by the mankind against any virus because the fastest vaccine was developed for mumps and that also took four years, even if the vaccine against COVID is developed in the next year then the vaccination of general public all around the world will take a lot of time, also then there will be the problem of vaccinating the people in the poor parts of the world.

I think this is an important wake up call for everyone, I think there was a huge expectation that the vaccine will be developed very quickly and then this would have been over before this year ended and now we are realizing this is impossible, in the case of a pandemic which is more aggressive we would have no way to stop it and it is important that new protocols are devised to allow for a faster development of a vaccine in the case a new virus appears that is more lethal than the coronavirus, we are still in time to do this but if we let this opportunity to pass any kind of will to enact this will diminish and the next time this happens we will most likely not be as lucky.

[dunfida]

Yes, because in 2024 we will all be inmuned. According to WHO, more than 10% of the population of the world is already immune, and i think this is going to be the real vaccine for 2021

Even if the vaccine arrive in the year 2021 then it will be the fastest vaccine developed by the mankind against any virus because the fastest vaccine was developed for mumps and that also took four years, even if the vaccine against COVID is developed in the next year then the vaccination of general public all around the world will take a lot of time, also then there will be the problem of vaccinating the people in the poor parts of the world.

I think this is an important wake up call for everyone, I think there was a huge expectation that the vaccine will be developed very quickly and then this would have been over before this year ended and now we are realizing this is impossible, in the case of a pandemic which is more aggressive we would have no way to stop it and it is important that new protocols are devised to allow for a faster development of a vaccine in the case a new virus appears that is more lethal than the coronavirus, we are still in time to do this but if we let this opportunity to pass any kind of will to enact this will diminish and the next time this happens we will most likely not be as lucky.

People will surely learn after this pandemic but actually no matter how hard pharmaceuticals on trying to discover some cure on various disease or virus which there would be always that something new will come out
which cant really be treated up immediately knowing that viruses or diseases can really mutate out into something new that we havent been seen before where its normal that creating a vaccine will surely takes time.
On this corona virus pandemic situation and the vaccine we've been hoping for then its no surprise that this might take a while but talking about 2024 then it would already be too long.Majority of them are on
2-3 stage as of this moment but we cant deny that clinical trial would really be needed out first before it would be produced to masses not just on hurrying up into releasing something which is unsure if it would
really cure or just worsen up the situation.

[ropyu1978]

Still have not vaccine for covid 19 or give chance for many countries to make business for selling vaccine with higher price, how their way to make many people waiting with their condition without can't go any where because have allowed from government to stay at home. I think bad moment if least year government and world health organization couldn't get vaccine because will give terrible problem how long people always use mask and keep ready at home without can't go anywhere, how many companies will stop for working after impact from pandemic of covid 19.

[carlisle1]

For me personally?i don't care how many vaccine will be created and supplied because it is still the people who will be the responsible for their sickness.

There are what we called asymptomatic who can stand the virus for 2 or 3 weeks ,so they don't need vaccine actually and all they need is to be rehabilitated to prevent the spreads of the said virus.
In this case only the Older people who needs really the vaccine will be given and so the lesser the volume we need.

[bryant.coleman]

For me personally?i don't care how many vaccine will be created and supplied because it is still the people who will be the responsible for their sickness.

This is a very irresponsible statement. COVID 19 has infected even those who took proper precautions such as mask and facial shield. And a large number of the infected are from the medical sector, including doctors and nurses. Are you saying that these people are responsible for their sickness? So what they could have done? Should they refrain from treating COVID 19 patients, in order to keep themselves safe from this virus?

[South Park]

For me personally?i don't care how many vaccine will be created and supplied because it is still the people who will be the responsible for their sickness.

There are what we called asymptomatic who can stand the virus for 2 or 3 weeks ,so they don't need vaccine actually and all they need is to be rehabilitated to prevent the spreads of the said virus.
In this case only the Older people who needs really the vaccine will be given and so the lesser the volume we need.

The problem with what you are proposing is that you do not know how the virus will affect you, we know there are people that are not affected significantly by the virus but we know of even young people dying because of it, what you are proposing at least to me seems similar to playing Russian roulette and that is simply unacceptable, the vaccine needs to be developed as fast as possible and given to those that are the most vulnerable at first and then the vaccine needs to be administered to the rest of the population.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The problem with what you are proposing is that you do not know how the virus will affect you, we know there are people that are not affected significantly by the virus but we know of even young peopled dying because of it

Yes, but that's also true of seasonal influenza--it has the capability to kill anyone, though there are certain groups at higher risk of dying from it.  As far as COVID goes, we're starting to see that our reaction to it was so overblown.  We were anticipating ICUs crowded with patients dying on ventilators, and what happened?  Trump just said ventilators were being donated to other countries that need them more.  I don't know a single person who's had COVID-19, and the big names on TV who've gotten it have survived it just fine.

Therefore I'm not worried about how fast we can get a vaccine, because I suspect that after the US election the hysteria will burn itself out along with the virus. 

[electronicash]

the government can first allocate the vaccines to those who badly needed it first like the elderly and the affected ones because its on the news that the 2nd time they get infected by covid its going to be fatal. kids with low immune system. slowly the government can buy more vaccines til we all survive on 2024. thats a long wait.

i still think there will still be lockdown even after 2024, there are still areas that are covid free, they' remain covid free til all I guess will be vaccinated.

[Vishnu.Reang]

the government can first allocate the vaccines to those who badly needed it first like the elderly and the affected ones because its on the news that the 2nd time they get infected by covid its going to be fatal. kids with low immune system. slowly the government can buy more vaccines til we all survive on 2024. thats a long wait.

i still think there will still be lockdown even after 2024, there are still areas that are covid free, they' remain covid free til all I guess will be vaccinated.

I don't agree. The government should first allocate vaccines to those who are at a greater danger of contracting the infection. Elderly are mostly staying at home and they don't need to step outside frequently. That is not the case with working age population. They have no other option other than to go out to work. And they are at the greatest risk of catching the infection.

[Assface16678]

Yes, because in 2024 we will all be inmuned. According to WHO, more than 10% of the population of the world is already immune, and i think this is going to be the real vaccine for 2021

May I know where's the source to this claim? Immune means will not be afftected by the virus, which is a bold claim if this is true. All I know is that our immune system is adapting to the environment and is becoming stronger, but not totally immune.

Without vaccine we will for almost sure not see Bitcoin at $20k this year. Next year we for almost certainly will. A lot of things would need to happen for Bitcoin not reach $20k in 2021.

The economy has been restarted in most countries and if the trend continues, then the market recovery will start from early next year. In that case, the introduction of the vaccine is not going to have much impact. Also, even if the vaccine is available, it is going to take at least 6 months to vaccinate all the 7.5 billion people who are living in this planet.

Once the vaccine is introduced, it will generate bigger impact to the world. Why? because the sense of fear will be lessen, that is something they would look forward to. There are regulations and guidelines being followed at this moment and for sure, there is a strong reason from doing so. The vaccine will be limited to some countries at first, but once the idea of its existence is available to the masses, things could more improve that at this moment actions are mostly the "alternative" in order to just continue living.

[exstasie]

Yes, but that's also true of seasonal influenza--it has the capability to kill anyone, though there are certain groups at higher risk of dying from it.  As far as COVID goes, we're starting to see that our reaction to it was so overblown.  We were anticipating ICUs crowded with patients dying on ventilators, and what happened?

If the epidemic went completely unabated. Most of the country was locked down for weeks, not to mention the slew of restrictions (masks and social distancing) that came during and afterwards. You're talking as if those had no effect on the trajectory of the disease.

Keep in mind, Europe is heading towards lockdowns again. Parts of the UK already have.

Trump just said ventilators were being donated to other countries that need them more.

Trump is up for reelection in a few weeks. Everything he says has a political agenda.

Therefore I'm not worried about how fast we can get a vaccine, because I suspect that after the US election the hysteria will burn itself out along with the virus. 

My concern is the markets have been too reliant on this idea that a silver bullet vaccine will be available by early next year. The V-shaped recovery in stocks wasn't purely based on QE and stimulus. Institutions bought the dip because the narrative being pushed was "vaccine by 2021." Not sure how long that narrative is going to hold up.

It took the Spanish Flu 3 waves and a whole lot more infections (in terms of percentage of the population infected) to burn out. Let's not be too hasty. And even if we do follow the course of the 1918 Flu, the second wave coming next will be the most brutal one by far.

[7788bitcoin]

Without vaccine we will for almost sure not see Bitcoin at $20k this year. Next year we for almost certainly will. A lot of things would need to happen for Bitcoin not reach $20k in 2021.

Two vaccines that are approved are from Russia and there is skepticism about the safety and efficiency of the vaccine and i am not even sure they have entered clinical trials and with that kind of situations how come we can expect a vaccine this year and that too with two months to end this dreadful year.

It took the Spanish Flu 3 waves and a whole lot more infections (in terms of percentage of the population infected) to burn out. Let's not be too hasty. And even if we do follow the course of the 1918 Flu, the second wave coming next will be the most brutal one by far.

There is a major difference in the mortality rate between the Spanish Flu and Covid 19, i am expecting second and third wave but the mortality rate is not that alarming and with proper care and medication you will be alright.

[shield132]

Some people can feel free from Bill Gates microchips for 4 years. Btw the most curious thing for me is that don't they think that B vitamin shots that they take contain microchips? Only vaccine has to contain them? Not any other injectable vitamin/substance? Or maybe nanotechnology is on so higher level even their Benadryl or C vitamin tablets contain microchips? Oh my god, what do these people think about, why? I have no idea what's in their mind.

Btw if we have to wait until 2024, personally I think that almost whole population will have an illness at least once during this years because it's impossible to hinder or prohibit communication between people and one can get this virus so easily... But in any way, it will be good to have a vaccine, even in 2024. It's very dangerous to be in a hurry cause without proper procedures and tests about side effects, no one knows what will happen in future and these side effects can be very harsh. It's like playing Russian roulette.

[Cling18]

There's no vaccine yet but there are countries that don't have any recent covid records these days. Despite the absence of the vaccine, they are still able to handle the covid situation in their country which means that its symptoms could be treated so I don't think we'll still be in a worse situation because of it. Things are getting quite better these days.