Proof of pure luck

[maydna]

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What you have said mate is right. When you play gambling you need a lot of patience, faith and luck to win the game because you can't win always and there are times that you will also experience loses. This is one of the reasons why I don't see gambling as a part time job or job itself because you can't always win and your lucky day doesn't occurs frequently so you have to take the risk always in order to test your luck.

I agree with you. It is better to use gambling as one of the entertainment, which can give us a fun thing than trying to use gambling as a part-time job because that will be difficult. No matter how much money we use, if we don't have luck, and we will not know when the luck will come, we will not win the games easily. Besides that, the risk of losing all money will always big as we don't know how big our chance to win.

If we already test our luck and can't win on the games, perhaps, it is better to stop gambling for a while and leave the place. We can try to play other gambling games the next day to test our luck again.

[Wexnident]

It shouldn't be that hard to achieve 100% randomness since there are many built-in functions and libraries that programmers can use to generate random numbers.
Collaborating few of the random output to create a string of random of numbers should not be that difficult. But if all the gambling sites start using this then they might not be able to generate profits out of their site. This is risky for their business which is why many gambling sites fake their data so that their users only win a limited number of times.

No, it's not possible. It's at most pseudo randomness, you couldn't even call it truly random due to the fact that the programmer himself was able to create it. Is randomness something that could be tampered or altered with? If it was, then is it still called random? Also I doubt casinos would even bother fake their data, scammy and fake ones for sure, but legit ones? There's absolutely no need to. Especially if their reputation is already well known, there's absolutely no need to fake numbers.

Many players are claiming that some gambling type requires more skills especially on poker. But what if the skilled player faced a very lucky person. Even if the pro player do cartwheel while his cards was bad as hell. He can't change anything about unless risk some money for bluffing(talking about poker).

Thing is, a skilled person could capitalize on his cards and decide whether to quit early or not. A lucky person? He'll just believe on his luck blindly till the end, possibly acquiring more loss compared to the amount he actually won. The difference between a skilled and a lucky person is a skilled one knows whether to play or not, that's basically it imo.

[pawanjain]

It shouldn't be that hard to achieve 100% randomness since there are many built-in functions and libraries that programmers can use to generate random numbers.
Collaborating few of the random output to create a string of random of numbers should not be that difficult. But if all the gambling sites start using this then they might not be able to generate profits out of their site. This is risky for their business which is why many gambling sites fake their data so that their users only win a limited number of times.

No, it's not possible. It's at most pseudo randomness, you couldn't even call it truly random due to the fact that the programmer himself was able to create it. Is randomness something that could be tampered or altered with? If it was, then is it still called random? Also I doubt casinos would even bother fake their data, scammy and fake ones for sure, but legit ones? There's absolutely no need to. Especially if their reputation is already well known, there's absolutely no need to fake numbers.

The programmer creates the code that is necessary to generate the random string not the random string itself.
Basically the code much have higher integrity of generating the random string in such a way that it cannot be tampered/altered while behaving truly random.
Even the legit sites would definitely have a code that invokes the provably fair algorithm to generate the random string.
This doesn't mean that the programmer can tamper the provably fair algorithm and if he does then he is just faking the data anyway.
And yeah, I agree with you that the reputed sites do not have the need to fake their data because they can still be in profit while being provably fair.
I just meant that there are some sites that fake their data just to gain money from their users.

[iamsheikhadil]

My initial goal was to play gambling as entertainment, so I didn't want to bother thinking about whether gambling was cheating or not.
In my opinion, as long as we choose a trusted gambling site with a good reputation, there is no need to worry that gambling sites are
cheating. Because it is impossible for them to sacrifice their long-established reputation by cheating, but it is up to each person. There
are people who do not feel bothered by regularly checking the fairness of gambling sites to make sure they are not fraudulent. But for me,
it is a troublesome job if I check gambling sites too often, so I can't enjoy playing gambling.

Well, in genuine casinos, they don't really need to cheat to make huge money. Just like any genuine good company, there's no need to cheat at all when it's guaranteed that you will make money in the long run!

It's very much in the interest of the casino to stay fair because then players will wager more, and the more they wager, the more profit casinos will make because of the house-edge that gives the a mathematical guarantee of profit in long run all the time

[reliable]

My initial goal was to play gambling as entertainment, so I didn't want to bother thinking about whether gambling was cheating or not.
In my opinion, as long as we choose a trusted gambling site with a good reputation, there is no need to worry that gambling sites are
cheating. Because it is impossible for them to sacrifice their long-established reputation by cheating, but it is up to each person. There
are people who do not feel bothered by regularly checking the fairness of gambling sites to make sure they are not fraudulent. But for me,
it is a troublesome job if I check gambling sites too often, so I can't enjoy playing gambling.

Well, in genuine casinos, they don't really need to cheat to make huge money. Just like any genuine good company, there's no need to cheat at all when it's guaranteed that you will make money in the long run!

It's very much in the interest of the casino to stay fair because then players will wager more, and the more they wager, the more profit casinos will make because of the house-edge that gives the a mathematical guarantee of profit in long run all the time

House edge is the way in which casino do make money and since they are running a business so they need to have an advantage as well since they have to pay salary to staff, security , rentals etc which all involved cost. And for gamblers they try out their luck by playing and thinking that they may win some big money or maybe win a jackpot money etc and due to which they wager it. But only some may make money in the end this needs to be understood by players.

[Reatim]

My initial goal was to play gambling as entertainment, so I didn't want to bother thinking about whether gambling was cheating or not.
In my opinion, as long as we choose a trusted gambling site with a good reputation, there is no need to worry that gambling sites are
cheating. Because it is impossible for them to sacrifice their long-established reputation by cheating, but it is up to each person. There
are people who do not feel bothered by regularly checking the fairness of gambling sites to make sure they are not fraudulent. But for me,
it is a troublesome job if I check gambling sites too often, so I can't enjoy playing gambling.

Well, in genuine casinos, they don't really need to cheat to make huge money. Just like any genuine good company, there's no need to cheat at all when it's guaranteed that you will make money in the long run!

Thats it because Casinos are sure profit in all aspect as long as you will run it legitimate and fair,you are willing to spend money for advertising and willing to pay winners even if you are at losses,that will make the casino popular and successful .

It's very much in the interest of the casino to stay fair because then players will wager more, and the more they wager, the more profit casinos will make because of the house-edge that gives the a mathematical guarantee of profit in long run all the time

each game favored the fairness for the casino operators meaning gamblers is at either 60/40 winning chance or much lower.
in this case the longer player bet is the biggest profit owners gain.

[Yamifoud]

each game favored the fairness for the casino operators meaning gamblers is at either 60/40 winning chance or much lower.
in this case the longer player bet is the biggest profit owners gain.

60% losing chance while 40% winning chance, well, not bad at all.

We already know how casinos have run this business and it is their part also to take profit otherwise, they won't survive. That is why if we think about gambling, LUCK is very important. We have the skills and knowledge but this neither be enough to win. And this implies that gambling is not to be considered as a source of income (as a player) but this is a great venture for the owners.

[ReiMomo]

I guess players don't depend on fairness. It's all about the character of the management they always check.
Why? What would you do or how would you take advantage of a gambling site where yes, you might be winning more. The question is, will they give you your prize without any problems in the process? Are they reputable enough to make the commitment?

I would rather play to a casino that has a provably fair system than with a casino/gambling site where you can win but can't even pull up funds to pay their players.

[Ryker1]

Well, my thought is I don't think changing the system will make you luckier. I think it is more of you will feel lucky but not so lucky at all.
People tend to look for a perfect scheme however, there is just none. This system has been known for years but still, --players are looking for more. Perhaps it is because they consider gambling as their way of living even though gambling is only made for recreational players. It's really pure of luck if you will fight against the house edge.

[RokokGudangGaram]

I guess players don't depend on fairness. It's all about the character of the management they always check.
Why? What would you do or how would you take advantage of a gambling site where yes, you might be winning more. The question is, will they give you your prize without any problems in the process? Are they reputable enough to make the commitment?

I would rather play to a casino that has a provably fair system than with a casino/gambling site where you can win but can't even pull up funds to pay their players.

Well said, I agree with you. The assurance of being able to withdraw winnings after playing matters more than having fun for many winnings throughout playing but will be given a hard time withdrawing. After all, fun and profit is what we want in gambling.

[k@suy]

Well, my thought is I don't think changing the system will make you luckier. I think it is more of you will feel lucky but not so lucky at all.
People tend to look for a perfect scheme however, there is just none. This system has been known for years but still, --players are looking for more.
Perhaps it is because they consider gambling as their way of living even though gambling is only made for recreational players. It's really pure of luck if you will fight against the house edge.

I think the chances of winning on playing gambling is based on how lucky you are and sometimes on the strategy that you are using. In some instance there players who are playing for the long time but still unfortunate to win but there are also players who are new but because they are lucky, they already experienced to win a big prize on playing so I bet that sometimes it is indeed based on how lucky we are.

[BlackFor3st]

The concept is good but I am curious on how the players can bet to your game like how the winning amount will be distributed. Will there be more than one winners?

I guess, it will be good if we can just test your platform once you are finish in building it so we will know how it work and after that we will just ask whatever
questions or problems that we will face upon using your platform. I love the idea of pure luck.

[BlackHatCoiner]

After a little break, I still work on this project. I haven't implemented the proof of luck yet, but I want you to just tell me if the game looks friendly enough.
Link: http://playkino.cf/ (firefox recommended)

Game was created with unity.

[johhnyUA]

It shouldn't be that hard to achieve 100% randomness since there are many built-in functions and libraries that programmers can use to generate random numbers.
Collaborating few of the random output to create a string of random of numbers should not be that difficult. But if all the gambling sites start using this then they might not be able to generate profits out of their site. This is risky for their business which is why many gambling sites fake their data so that their users only win a limited number of times.

Ha ha 

I would say that this is impossible, in fact. The same as "to achieve 100 % efficiency of heat engine". Especially if we are talking about built-in libs in programmer languages. I would say more, only few of this libraries (like urandom or random which used by openssl) can provide strong pseudo random number. And randomness still depend from seed and entropy, whatever.

And yeah, for online casino it's impossible to do, because good libs (like urandom) are very slow, and it can't be used for online gambling.

[Saint-loup]

After a little break, I still work on this project. I haven't implemented the proof of luck yet, but I want you to just tell me if the game looks friendly enough.
Link: http://playkino.cf/ (firefox recommended)

Game was created with unity.

You should add this update to the OP for more visibility IMO

I'm using Chrome and I get this message

Your browser does not support WebGL

[BlackHatCoiner]

You should add this update to the OP for more visibility IMO

It's not ready yet. Once it is, I'll announce it. I just wanted to post this beta version to whoever is interested on testing it. I've already seen some important bugs that must be fixed, though.

I'm using Chrome and I get this message

Your browser does not support WebGL

That's a serious issue, because I don't know anything about html5 (in which most internet casinos are based on). I only know programming and building for WebGL (if we're talking about browser games). From what device are you trying to visit it? Smart TV? Because I think that all PCs that run chrome have pre-installed webgl.

Browsers that can't run webgl are usually those that don't have access to hardware acceleration. On chrome://settings/system be sure that the checkbox is checked.

[Saint-loup]

You should add this update to the OP for more visibility IMO

It's not ready yet. Once it is, I'll announce it. I just wanted to post this beta version to whoever is interested on testing it. I've already seen some important bugs that must be fixed, though.

I'm using Chrome and I get this message

Your browser does not support WebGL

That's a serious issue, because I don't know anything about html5 (in which most internet casinos are based on). I only know programming and building for WebGL (if we're talking about browser games). From what device are you trying to visit it? Smart TV? Because I think that all PCs that run chrome have pre-installed webgl.

Browsers that can't run webgl are usually those that don't have access to hardware acceleration. On chrome://settings/system be sure that the checkbox is checked.

No I'm using Chrome on a classic PC laptop and the hardware acceleration seems to be correctly checked in the browser.
But it should be just a little bug because now I don't get this box anymore. ✔️

[Krislaw]

Well, my thought is I don't think changing the system will make you luckier. I think it is more of you will feel lucky but not so lucky at all.
People tend to look for a perfect scheme however, there is just none. This system has been known for years but still, --players are looking for more. Perhaps it is because they consider gambling as their way of living even though gambling is only made for recreational players. It's really pure of luck if you will fight against the house edge.

System is made so that gamblers lose more than they win otherwise casino's wouldn't exist and make their business profitable.
Every gambler thinks he can find the strategy to be above the system butt that is not possible.  With s little bit of luck you can win something from time to time but don't expect that you will find the strategy to bit the casino.

Exactly the point. Casinos knows what they do. If a gambler discovers a strategy, it will only work for a short period. It stops working once the casino discover that there is a strategy that is being used to collect money from then. Next thing they do is to change the way the game is programmed and it will only favour the first set of gamblers that discovers the strategy.

[NeilLostBitCoin]

Exactly the point. Casinos knows what they do. If a gambler discovers a strategy, it will only work for a short period. It stops working once the casino discover that there is a strategy that is being used to collect money from then. Next thing they do is to change the way the game is programmed and it will only favour the first set of gamblers that discovers the strategy.

Yes, I already know this thing and casinos won't let this thing happen, they don't want someone to make the best strategy that will let someone bags all the money, so they will change the odds, the tricks and algorithm for them to win over the gambler. And luck is true in gambling, I believe in it and sometimes me myself is winning a game because of luck only, I didn't expect anything but luck. I love lottery because odds are big and difficult, so the only thing I have is pure luck.

[Debonaire217]

With the trends in cryptocurrency gambling, most of the casinos are having provably fair games, in this way, users are able to extract and scan the codes by the casinos whether the games are really fair and having a 50/50 chance of winning. If users are also familiar with coding, they can easily determine if the game is honest or not. But one thing I noticed is that, casinos are programmed in a way that they will win in the long run, which should be understood by the gamblers. But that doesn't mean that gamblers, in the long run, doesn't have a chance to hit the jackpot or win big.

IMO, the very proof of pure luck in a platform isn't really visible to the code, but the testimonies and experience of the previous winners. Though there's no way we could see and verify it from the platform itself, we can always ask here on our forum about those things as there's a lot in here who actually gambling.