[LIST] Gambling sites with internal exchange

[AmoreJaz]

Yolodice team had gone on break for a very long time now, Scott and Ethan had choose to get new perspective on the site maybe in the future or they stay offline forever.

It's been a real pleasure and fun running YOLOdice for you, but we (Ethan and Scott) have decided to suspend the site and get a break with our lives, gain new perspective and maybe come back with a new crypto-related project.

@AmoreJaz I don't know if it's necessary to still keep Yolodice on the current list at first page, wouldn't it be appropriate if they are been removed till they come back anytime soon in the future, what do you think about this, just my suggestion though.

yolodice removed. thanks. yeah, ive read such announcement from yolo as well.

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Glad that you are back in this thread with new update. I agree with ‘Lordhermes’, you should remove Yolodice from the list. Also do a research about Coinpot.co and remove them. Seems like they have shut down their business (not sure). And update the ‘Supported Cryptocurrencies’ chart of Bitsler, Betfury & Duckdice. Bitsler have removed some crypto from their site and the other two casino have added few many Cryptocurrencies.

Yes I confirm Coinpot has closed since several months now, by doing a big exit scam in addition. So I think this scammy gambling site should be removed from this list and be put in a blacklist of scammers and thieves.

coinpot.co removed, their site is also down. didnt know about their big exit scam though.
will be updating supported crypto of those sites. thanks much for the suggestions.

bitsler - before +12 other crypto, now, +8. so yes, they removed some currencies. betfury - they do add a lot of coins/tokens, duckdice - added these currencies on their list - TRX, ETC, BTT, BTG, EOS, BNB, ADA, USDC, DAI

betfury - addtl currencies : DOGE, LTC, USDC, BUSD, DAI, ETH, BNB, USDT, BTT, SUN, LINK, CHZ, BAT, ZRX, ENJ, ZIL, OMG, ONT, STORJ, GLM, HOT, UNI, SUSHI, CAKE, YFI, UMA, 1INCH, REEF, SNX, AAVE, COMP, MKR

seems that betfury is very much active in adding a lot of defi tokens here..

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[nelson4lov]

seems that betfury is very much active in adding a lot of defi tokens here..

Yes, Betfury parades itself as a defi gambling casino thanks to their platform-owned BFG tokens. My guess is that they're trying to include the DeFi community as much as possible hence the need to list tokens used for Decentralized finance like UNI and 1nch AMM tokens. Anyway, you should add Dinabot conversion rates in OP. It's around 4-5% but can get slashed by using promo codes they post on regularly on their ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106586.120 or social channels like telegram.

[STT]

Great list, useful to have this flexibility hate the idea of losing chunks of cashout to fee spikes.    Does Freebitco qualify now as you can deposit BTC but withdraw their FUN token on the ETH blockchain to some exchanges.   Its only the one choice but I think its usually BTC fees that are mostly what people are trying to avoid being caught up in and once you are out on another exchange it can be switched to anything then.

[electronicash]

internal exchange is great to use for casinos so that we can minimize withdrawal fees. XRP is almost free. not sure if they will make it free when EOS are to be withdrawn.

i have no idea we can trade our coins with altcoins on stake.com, it's however going to be using 3rd party but i guess it's worth using when withdrawing xrp. did anyone try it with coinswitch?

[AmoreJaz]

seems that betfury is very much active in adding a lot of defi tokens here..

Yes, Betfury parades itself as a defi gambling casino thanks to their platform-owned BFG tokens. My guess is that they're trying to include the DeFi community as much as possible hence the need to list tokens used for Decentralized finance like UNI and 1nch AMM tokens. Anyway, you should add Dinabot conversion rates in OP. It's around 4-5% but can get slashed by using promo codes they post on regularly on their ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106586.120 or social channels like telegram.

added the dinabot conversion rates. thanks.

Great list, useful to have this flexibility hate the idea of losing chunks of cashout to fee spikes.    Does Freebitco qualify now as you can deposit BTC but withdraw their FUN token on the ETH blockchain to some exchanges.   Its only the one choice but I think its usually BTC fees that are mostly what people are trying to avoid being caught up in and once you are out on another exchange it can be switched to anything then.

maybe, we can put freebitco under special case. you can deposit btc, buy fun, withdraw fun. but have you checked that the btc withdrawal is still cheaper than when you withdraw fun. for ex : the slow tx fee right now is 2086, & the instant is about 8869 sats. whereas, if you will withdraw fun - it will charge you 184FUN (x 61 sats/FUN) = 11224 sats and the min withdrawal is 1k FUN = 61k sats, whereas in btc the min withdrawal is only 30k sats. maybe it depends on your circumstances, which option favour you better

internal exchange is great to use for casinos so that we can minimize withdrawal fees. XRP is almost free. not sure if they will make it free when EOS are to be withdrawn.

i have no idea we can trade our coins with altcoins on stake.com, it's however going to be using 3rd party but i guess it's worth using when withdrawing xrp. did anyone try it with coinswitch?

let's take an example here for XRP withdrawal : in bitsler, they are charging 0.0001 XRP, which at a current of $1.05/XRP >> which means you are paying $0.000105 only [yes, almost free!], for EOS, withdrawal fee is 0.05EOS at a current rate of $6.45/EOS >> $0.3225 withdrawal fee. in these 2 examples, it is best to withdraw via XRP.

and with regards to stake, i edited it as before they have 3rd party using coinswitch. now, they are only using MoonPay for buying crypto.

[Fredomago]

internal exchange is great to use for casinos so that we can minimize withdrawal fees. XRP is almost free. not sure if they will make it free when EOS are to be withdrawn.

i have no idea we can trade our coins with altcoins on stake.com, it's however going to be using 3rd party but i guess it's worth using when withdrawing xrp. did anyone try it with coinswitch?

let's take an example here for XRP withdrawal : in bitsler, they are charging 0.0001 XRP, which at a current of $1.05/XRP >> which means you are paying $0.000105 only [yes, almost free!], for EOS, withdrawal fee is 0.05EOS at a current rate of $6.45/EOS >> $0.3225 withdrawal fee. in these 2 examples, it is best to withdraw via XRP.

and with regards to stake, i edited it as before they have 3rd party using coinswitch. now, they are only using MoonPay for buying crypto.

if you have that chance switching your coins to another alternative coin and pay lesser, for sure more gamblers will choose doing it, thanks for providing this information very helpful as gamblers are looking for every advanatages when using service from any available casinos.

I like the idea switching your fund to xrp when withdrawing it, it will charge you that little which is almost free in fiat value, very nice especially if you are in the winning side as you'll enjoy the amount of your profits(already consider the value differences between buy and sell)

[Fortify]

as ive seen topic focusing on casinos offering no withdrawal fees, I made a list of casinos with internal exchange (usually can be found in their cashier tab) along with the supported cryptocurrencies.
for those gamblers who are interested in exchanging their coins before playing and before withdrawal =

suggestions are welcome and this post will be updated accordingly. thanks!

Good job You've put together a very handy list of gambling sites with exchange functionality and I'm sure many people will find it useful. Avoiding or minimizing fees when using these sites can be a big help, especially when you're talking about smaller amounts that people tend to have in online casinos. It might be helpful to add a column with a very general listing of which games that each one supports as a quick reference tool - e.g. Slots, Dice, Blackjack, Sportsbook, Other. Listing the supported formats may also allow people to skip sites that might be incompatible to them, e.g. Desktop Website, Mobile Website, Phone App, Software

[AmoreJaz]

as ive seen topic focusing on casinos offering no withdrawal fees, I made a list of casinos with internal exchange (usually can be found in their cashier tab) along with the supported cryptocurrencies.
for those gamblers who are interested in exchanging their coins before playing and before withdrawal =

suggestions are welcome and this post will be updated accordingly. thanks!

Good job You've put together a very handy list of gambling sites with exchange functionality and I'm sure many people will find it useful. Avoiding or minimizing fees when using these sites can be a big help, especially when you're talking about smaller amounts that people tend to have in online casinos. It might be helpful to add a column with a very general listing of which games that each one supports as a quick reference tool - e.g. Slots, Dice, Blackjack, Sportsbook, Other. Listing the supported formats may also allow people to skip sites that might be incompatible to them, e.g. Desktop Website, Mobile Website, Phone App, Software

let me see if i can still add those features as the info may be too much already. one can always visit the site and check for himself though.


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BetJA.com

supported currencies in their exchange : BTC, ETH, BCH, LTC, BNB, PM$, WM$ <<>> USDT, USDC, PM$, WM$
other avail currencies you can deposit/withdraw : XRP, TRX, DOGE (hopefully they will include this in their exchange tab as these alts have relatively cheap fees esp TRX)

note: eff exchange fee - not yet updated

[AmoreJaz]

added in the list :

wintomato.com

wintomato ANN thread

supported currencies :
BTC, ETH, LTC, DOGE, BCH, XRP, USDT, LINK, XLM, UNI, REEF, SHIB

as of this writing their commission rate is : 4.9%
min. exchange amount equivalent to $9.8 >> you can easily check the equivalent amount of your coin on their site.

[magneto]

This is quite interesting. Thanks for the effective fees as well.

I feel like it's generally not a great idea to use these services unless you're actually exchanging dust amounts (under $20 of any token). Otherwise, with fees upwards of 5% of your total transaction, you could be better off copping the withdrawal fees plus the trading fees of the exchange that you work with and still come out on top.

Luckydice seems to be the only reasonable entity here in terms of fees, and even then it's 5x what exchanges generally charge.

[ralle14]

Not sure if these sites can be added in the list but I think it's still worth mentioning as they can be helpful to others.

Rocket.run have their own internal exchange, they only allow SPD conversion which is the currency you get from claiming their faucet. No fees stated but there's a cap on how much you can convert.

Sportsbet have a "transfer" option that lets you convert your bitcoins to fiat and vice versa but you're not allowed to withdraw in fiat.

[fullhdpixel]

Not sure if these sites can be added in the list but I think it's still worth mentioning as they can be helpful to others.

Rocket.run have their own internal exchange, they only allow SPD conversion which is the currency you get from claiming their faucet. No fees stated but there's a cap on how much you can convert.

Sportsbet have a "transfer" option that lets you convert your bitcoins to fiat and vice versa but you're not allowed to withdraw in fiat.

Claiming faucets and converting them into coins doesn't count as an internal exchange because it is more like redeeming coins you get from the faucet. I guess an internal exchange means where you can convert one coin to another without the restriction of which coin we are exchanging, as long as it is supported by the casino. But that is just me and you might be right, it might be worth adding them to the list

As far as the Sportsbet exchange goes, it allows you to convert BTC to fiat and vice versa but there is a catch and that is, you can only exchange BTC to fiat first, and then if you win, you can convert them back but you cannot deposit via let's say skrill and directly convert them to BTC. I mean it doesn't make sense either because otherwise people will use sportsbet.io as an exchange for USD to BTC .

[justdimin]

I feel like it's generally not a great idea to use these services unless you're actually exchanging dust amounts (under $20 of any token). Otherwise, with fees upwards of 5% of your total transaction, you could be better off copping the withdrawal fees plus the trading fees of the exchange that you work with and still come out on top.

You are right but sometimes these internal exchanges do help. Imagine you have 0.0005 BTC and you want to withdraw, now if you are using any site they will charge around 0.0002 (I am taking the withdrawal fees of stake here) which means you get 0.0003. Now if you exchange the coins using a service like Dinabot, you can convert them to TRX or any other coin by paying like 5% fees and then withdraw which means you technically get 0.0005 - 5% which is way more than what you would get if you withdrew directly.

Similarly in bitsler when I am withdrawing small amounts, I usually convert them using their internal exchange and then withdraw because although it costs me a bit, it still saves more than enough for the few seconds it takes.

[ralle14]

As far as the Sportsbet exchange goes, it allows you to convert BTC to fiat and vice versa but there is a catch and that is, you can only exchange BTC to fiat first, and then if you win, you can convert them back but you cannot deposit via let's say skrill and directly convert them to BTC. I mean it doesn't make sense either because otherwise people will use sportsbet.io as an exchange for USD to BTC .

In a way it's understandable as there are people who wanted to avoid the volatility of BTC while playing and sportsbet did start as a BTC sportsbook then added fiat payments later on.

I don't use the exchange but it's kind of neat since there are sportsbook that automatically converts your BTC deposits to fiat.

[AicecreaME]

Very nice list of trusted gambling sites that runs for a very long period of time already and still kicking. This will be a great help to those newbies in gambling to avoid being scammed by depositing first a certain amount to be able to withdraw their winnings. It's very convenient for them to have their own exchange for fastest transactions and also it is another way for them to increase their bankroll.

Looking forward for OP to add more trusted gambling sites that's already making its name these days.

[AmoreJaz]

Not sure if these sites can be added in the list but I think it's still worth mentioning as they can be helpful to others.

Rocket.run have their own internal exchange, they only allow SPD conversion which is the currency you get from claiming their faucet. No fees stated but there's a cap on how much you can convert.

Sportsbet have a "transfer" option that lets you convert your bitcoins to fiat and vice versa but you're not allowed to withdraw in fiat.

maybe we can add this to the special case list as their SPD can be converted to BTC, ETH, LTC, XLM and XRP using their exchange tab under cashier.

right now, they have conversion factor of 1000 SPD = 1 USD = 0.00002900 BTC = 0.00047036 ETH = 0.00731903 LTC = 3.8153 XLM =  1.5455 XRP
so if you're lucky enough to increase your free SPD, you can convert it to those alts that have real value in the market.


added in the special case list :

rocket.run

Rocket.run ANN thread

supported currencies :  SPD conversion to BTC, ETH, LTC, XLM and XRP

[hd49728]

AmoreJaz, could you add the information for KYC into the table, please.

KYC now is more and more requested by exchanges and gambling sites. I know we would like to use non KYC exchanges or gambling sites. If you have time, and see my idea is good, could you spend your time to update the table, please.

[coupable]

Very nice list of trusted gambling sites that runs for a very long period of time already and still kicking. This will be a great help to those newbies in gambling to avoid being scammed by depositing first a certain amount to be able to withdraw their winnings. It's very convenient for them to have their own exchange for fastest transactions and also it is another way for them to increase their bankroll.

It will be a waste of time if the platform doesn't support many pairs. Considering that swap between crypto and fiat won't be that easy task .

KYC now is more and more requested by exchanges and gambling sites. I know we would like to use non KYC exchanges or gambling sites. If you have time, and see my idea is good, could you spend your time to update the table, please.

The list isn't that long. You can search the KYC info for each one (websites support FIAT will surely enforce KYC, the rest need a deep chec) and list them on a table, then ask op to udate his list. Itr would easier i think.
OP has already requires KYC information in the format to suggest new website. While no KYC info in the main list .

[Hamphser]

The list isn't that long. You can search the KYC info for each one (websites support FIAT will surely enforce KYC, the rest need a deep chec) and list them on a table, then ask op to udate his list. Itr would easier i think.
OP has already requires KYC information in the format to suggest new website. While no KYC info in the main list .

Yeah the list isnt really that long but it would be great if it would really be putted up there and make out some updates for everybody to look at rather than on making search on your own since there are really some gamblers who do really mind off about KYC.

Its true that gambling sites and with having that instant exchange features did really changed up too when it comes to kyc and thats really a non appealing thing for us to deal off with.

[ryzaadit]

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Every exchange & casino always has some "KYC" is already common.

Even the casino has "anonymous feature" but as always according to the "F.A.Q" they always can ask user to do some "KYC" if have some investigation to the account. So, never believe there is no "KYC", I will give you some advice.

If you want to avoid facing "KYC" issue, play with a small money, maybe just a hundred dollars or even lower they never ask "KYC". Most of issue and experience, I read on forum while you win really big and want to withdraw a huge money the system will flag you need to be manual transaction while they have automatically withdraw if the fund is small or not exceeding manual transaction amount fund.

They will buy some time, with asking you to do KYC.