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[n0nce]

Oh damn, that's a very interesting point to consider in the 'airgap discussion'! I will definitely remember this as an advantage of airgapped wallets: they don't leave traces on the OS. Especially not when using QR code; though I don't see how using an SD card for PSBT transfer would leave a 'suspicious' trail on the computer.

They could only identify that you used some SD card on your computer, but SD cards are generic and used for storing media and multiple purposes.
However, SD cards do have their own firmware but that is separate subject all together.
One more thing that is tricky for Interpol is tracking DIY hardware wallets made from general use components like RaspberryPi.

Yeah correct; everything based on / using generic things should be pretty hard to discover. At least harder than very specific devices communicating to your PC through USB, that is
Very important point to consider in HW wallet choice & discussions from now on for me, as I said. Enlightening!

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[NeuroticFish]

AirGap

I've made some sort of test for Bitcoin with AirGap. The point was to try it out with a different "client" than AirGap provides.
Long story short, at least for Bitcoin alone, Electrum (for Android) + Electrum can be another pretty good solution.
For some it may be obvious, still, it may worth a spot in your list if AirGap is there. Or at least a side node.

[OmegaStarScream]

Ledger has released a new device a couple of weeks ago, the Nano S plus (79$)[1]

The device is not that different compared to the nano S model, but here's a review[2] for anyone interested in knowing more about it.

[1]  https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-s-plus
[2] https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2022/04/05/ledger-nano-s-plus-review-good-for-beginners/

[Agbe]

Computer hardware/Software & Hardware wallet

Computer hardware are those physical parts of the computer that can be seen and touched. Example: harddisk


flashdrive


memory card


Cell phone
 etc

 While software are those programs that can't be touched but can be seen in the computer. Example:  online or ussd wallets, digital wallets, email, encrypted text, coding, programming, including this thread etc.

WALLET

Wallet is a kind of pouch for men to keep fiat currency, passport, ID card, hard documents and other minor things.

TYPES OF WALLETS

Wallet can be subdivided into two: hardware wallet & software wallet.

Hardware wallet as the name implied, it is a wallet that can be seen and touched which is meant for physical storage of things. Such as money, ID card, house key etc. Example.  


Software wallet: as the name implied as well, it is a kind of wallet that is used to keep E-Currencies or digital currencies wallet. Example: E-naira wallet,  Cryptocurrencies wallet, eToro, Coinbase, Huobi etc
The above wallets are purely for software and any hardware attached to them does not supposed to be called  hardware wallet because they don't have the function of hardware. They are only for online. But the device used for the accessing the software is called hardware. Therefore, it would have been called "e-wallent or crypto wallet or bitcoin wallet", and the above mentioned are different types of e-wallents

Therefore,  calling "hardware wallet" and use it in internet is an oxymoron, it is contradicting the whole issue, because the content is untouchable. Like this is an hardware


and what is inside is software, so why do you call it Hardware wallet?
Although hardware can not function without software, they are working together but hardware is hardware and software is software in computer. This issue is giving me headache to even understand computer again.

Because I believed that anything Concerning online is software. But this one you call it Hardware wallet but everything is online, I am confused oh!

I believed computer devices always have two wares. Hardware and software. And it is explained above

In addition, I need someone to explain precisely and concisely in detail to me the different between fiat physical hardware wallet and online hardware wallet and why you call this one hardware wallet?


Finally
Probably it's called hardware wallet because the device is an hardware and it uses to keep digital currency. That means it would have been better called bitcoin wallet, or e-wallet because there is an already existing hardware wallet. So what is the different between computer hardware and hardware wallet? Because I see all as storage devices.


Links for the two argument
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-opera-mini-android&biw=320&bih=452&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=wallet+in+nigeria&oq=Wallet+in+&aqs=mobile-gws-lite.0.0l5

https://www.google.com/search?q=hardware+wallet&client=ms-opera-mini-android&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxkMS2_pj4AhUei_0HHa1yApMQ_AUIBigB&biw=320&bih=452

https://www.google.com/search?q=flash+drive&client=ms-opera-mini-android&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjo4YOQ_5j4AhVIQEEAHdAOBV4Q_AUIBigB&biw=320&bih=452


Thanks.

[PawGo]

In addition, I need someone to explain precisely and concisely in detail to me the different between fiat physical hardware wallet and online hardware wallet and why you call this one hardware wallet?

Of course now discussion now goes into creating dictionary definition, but in general difference between "hardware wallet" and "software wallet" is that in case of software wallet you talk about program which is responsible for creation/importing/exporting private keys. It means that user relies on software and (to some extend) has access to private keys. Or even user creates wallet himself importing previously generated (and known) private keys.
In case of hardware wallet we talk about dedicated device which functionality is strictly limited and which does not expose private keys - it works like a black box, where software asks for a given result and device provides just the result (software has no access to data needed to generate the result).
On the other hand paper wallet (piece of paper) is not a hardware wallet, as it only stores (and exposes) the information - and 3rd party is needed to make use of them.

[Marvelman]

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First, I would suggest you edit your post so that it is more enjoyable to read. The pictures you posted are unnecessary, we all know what the word "hardware" means, so you don't have to give us examples. But even if you want to keep them in your post, please reduce their size so they don't take up as much screen space. Thank you.

[n0nce]

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Of course, all software runs on hardware and all hardware needs software to run on it to be useful.

But I think the Bitcoin Wiki has a pretty easy to understand definition:

A hardware wallet is a special type of bitcoin wallet which stores the user's private keys in a secure hardware device.

They have major advantages over standard software wallets:

• private keys are often stored in a protected area of a microcontroller, and cannot be transferred out of the device in plaintext
• immune to computer viruses that steal from software wallets
• can be used securely and interactively, private keys never need to touch potentially-vulnerable software
• much of the time, the software is open source, allowing a user to validate the entire operation of the device

To put it simply: think of it as a dedicated device for Bitcoin keys. Even storing a Bitcoin seed on a device that is separate from your daily device that you use to browse the web, download games and such, would already be a huge improvement compared to running a software wallet directly on your main computer.
Now if that secondary dedicated Bitcoin machine is an off-the shelf laptop or phone, it has much larger attack surface. A hardware wallet is just much, much simpler in terms of both the hardware and software used; it's so specific to its task that it has less crap that can be infected on it. Lastly, buying a second computer for storing Bitcoin keys will also be more expensive than a hardware wallet (while being probably less secure as just described).

So yeah; you're right: a hardware wallet isn't not using software and a software wallet isn't not running on hardware.
I believe the naming was chosen because on a high level, when I use a software wallet, it's the software on my device that stores the secret, while when I use a hardware wallet it's a separate device (hardware) that stores the secret. Of course, at the end of the day that device in turn uses software as well, to store the seed. But that's how it's defined... don't worry too much about it, it's just a definition.

[maxirosson]

Wow. There are more wallets I could imagine.

I wrote an article comparing the 26 most popular Hardware Wallets, comparing them feature by feature:

https://blog.thebitcoinhole.com/best-hardware-wallets-31141ed1aa05

Also, I summarized all the wallets features on this spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-8DLbhxtOcDEBPl8-IAGWaoyx1H02JSz9hADCgAGyCo/edit#gid=0

[dkbit98]

Wow. There are more wallets I could imagine.

Oh you didn't see nothing, as this topic is not freshly update like our local topic maintained by our member Fatfork
You could find there all possible hardware wallets ever created (more than here), and you could use machine translation for english language, or ask there if you want some clarification.
You can even find few short reviews about newer hardware wallets made by me (in my free time):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285324.0

I wrote an article comparing the 26 most popular Hardware Wallets, comparing them feature by feature:

Nice work.
I saw it few days ago and I think it was done good, but some things could be improved and mistakes corrected.
If you are the original author of that blog and spreadsheet, than welcome to Bitcointalk forum

[OmegaStarScream]

Found this new wallet from a Sponsored article by Coindesk[1][2]. Costs 199$ and support BTC and ETH (and its tokens).

[1] https://www.coindesk.com/sponsored-content/keeping-your-crypto-on-an-exchange-thats-where-its-most-exposed-to-hackers-theres-a-better-way/
[2] https://www.icointechnology.store/

[SFR10]

[2] https://www.icointechnology.store/

Their ".com" domain extension contains more information about their HW and to those who might be interested, there was a little discussion ^{[#111 to #128]} about it back in July of this year.

[dkbit98]

Found this new wallet from a Sponsored article by Coindesk[1][2]. Costs 199$ and support BTC and ETH (and its tokens).

Oh I know about this hardware wallet for a long time, and we posted about it in our local board modified list of hardware wallets.
I am not impressed at all with iCoin, this is just modified smartphone device and I would never buy it myslelf.
Check out our big list of wallets, it is more up to date, it has more devices and it is maintained all the time by out member FatFork:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285324.0

[Nmnsth]

If you know more about any wallets that I haven't mentioned in the list, please let me know. Thanks.  

Hey @Ratimov, thats an impressive list. Seems like you covered almost all the wallets. Although you missed out on Cypherock Wallet. It's a Seedless Open Source hardware wallet that uses Shamir Secret Sharing to shard the keys into multiple components.

Here is a list of resources that you can refer

• https://www.cypherock.com/
  
• https://golden.com/wiki/Cypherock_Wallet-K468YPP
• https://twitter.com/CypherockWallet
• Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9HdUyBCnk

[Pmalek]

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Ratimov stopped making updates to this thread a long time ago, so I doubt your hardware wallet will be added to it. There haven't been changes to the OP since February 2021. Alternatively, your hardware wallet could be added on a thread that is maintained and regularly updated in the Croatian local board by FatFork. I am tagging @FatFork here because I think he has a notification bot set up. When he sees the mention, he will say something. Additionally, dkbit98 often writes updates in the Croatian topic mentioning new wallets that could be features in the table.

[Nmnsth]

Ratimov stopped making updates to this thread a long time ago, so I doubt your hardware wallet will be added to it.

Thank you Pmalek. After replying, I later realized Ratimov had added Cypherock in the updated list of wallet.

Alternatively, your hardware wallet could be added on a thread that is maintained and regularly updated in the Croatian local board by FatFork.

I already see Cypherock in the list. Thanks @FatFork

Much Appreciated help @Pmalek

[OmegaStarScream]

If you want to add Ledger's newest hardware wallet:

Code:

[b][url=https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-stax]Ledger Stax (Pre-order)[/url][/b]

[b]Price:[/b] - 279$
[b]Supported Cryptocurrencies[/b] - 5000+
[b]Review:[/b] N/A

[browsiek]

Sorry I have to ask here.

I want to buy Nano Ledger X from the official site but I am in the region of Asia (indonesia) where Bitpay is not allowed then how can I buy this hardware wallet with bitcoins?

I don't like any other payment options except bitcoin.

[SFR10]

I want to buy Nano Ledger X from the official site but I am in the region of Asia (indonesia) where Bitpay is not allowed then how can I buy this hardware wallet with bitcoins?

I don't like any other payment options except bitcoin.

It seems that the "Crypto.com Pay" option is also available ^{[IIRC, it doesn't have any limits for Indonesians, but do some research before using it]}:

• After clicking its button, you have to select other cryptocurrency wallets from the bottom left corner of the pop-up window > type your email, agree to their terms ^{[don't forget to "read" them]}, then click the continue to payment button > change the payment currency from CRO to BTC > pay.

Alternatively, you can try one of their "official resellers" as well ^[DYOR].

[OmegaStarScream]

It seems that the "Crypto.com Pay" option is also available ^{[IIRC, it doesn't have any limits for Indonesians, but do some research before using it]}:

• After clicking its button, you have to select other cryptocurrency wallets from the bottom left corner of the pop-up window > type your email, agree to their terms ^{[don't forget to "read" them]}, then click the continue to payment button > change the payment currency from CRO to BTC > pay.

Alternatively, you can try one of their "official resellers" as well ^[DYOR].

Crypto Pay is actually not available for everyone. I don't have that option.

And this has nothing to do with the IP address, but rather the physical address. So if he wants to be able to pay, he will probably need to use a package forwarding company like forward2me (can't vouch for them) for example, and then follow the steps you gave him. It will cost him a bit, but it's still better than taking an unnecessary risk and buying from a third party.

Or alternatively, @browsiek you can look into Trezor (if you're fine with not having bluetooth connection).

[Husna QA]

Sorry I have to ask here.

I want to buy Nano Ledger X from the official site but I am in the region of Asia (indonesia) where Bitpay is not allowed then how can I buy this hardware wallet with bitcoins?

I don't like any other payment options except bitcoin.

I'm from Indonesia too. I buy Nano X at a local marketplace with a good reputation. I have no experience buying directly from the official Ledger site and don't know if buying using Bitcoin will cause problems when dealing with taxes on imported goods.

It seems that the "Crypto.com Pay" option is also available ^{[IIRC, it doesn't have any limits for Indonesians, but do some research before using it]}:

As mentioned earlier, Bitpay wallet is not available in Indonesia. Meanwhile, the Crypto.com application, as far as I know, is available for Indonesian users. But at Ledger, there is no payment option using it for the Indonesian region.