US Elections 2020 - very self such moderated

[suchmoon]

That is not what the forensic analysis by The Kraken shows.

I won't delete this because it's been replied to and explained but come on... stop krakening unrelated threads. You have your own. This is not the place for it.


Trump angry at Republican governors certifying the results:

Why won’t Governor @BrianKempGA, the hapless Governor of Georgia, use his emergency powers, which can be easily done, to overrule his obstinate Secretary of State, and do a match of signatures on envelopes. It will be a “goldmine” of fraud, and we will easily WIN the state...

Why is he rushing to put a Democrat in office, especially when so many horrible things concerning voter fraud are being revealed at the hearing going on right now. @OANN What is going on with @dougducey?

[PrimeNumber7]

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.

I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.

If voter fraud is uncovered after Biden takes office, I would agree that it will not be investigated.

There are issues in PA such as not allowing GOP poll watchers to watch the counting of the ballots, however, I am not aware of evidence of sufficiently substantial and widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the election.

There are real issues with mail-in voting, however, the Republican opposition to widespread mail-in voting likely disenfranchised their own voters. The amount of effort put into voting for Biden per vote was less than the effort each voter put into voting for Trump.

Trump, rather than hurting the down ballot candidates, helped them in a big way by ensuring a huge turnout among the GOP supporters.

Republicans picked up about a dozen house seats, maybe more. The Biden administration will not be able to hire people serving in the house because the Democrat majority is so small.

This is probably better suited for its own thread, or even its own sub... I don't think Trump was well prepared to win the Presidency in 2016. His early administration was not well organized, which probably resulted in much of his first term being stymied

[Spendulus]

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.

I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.

If voter fraud is uncovered after Biden takes office, I would agree that it will not be investigated.

There are issues in PA such as not allowing GOP poll watchers to watch the counting of the ballots, however, I am not aware of evidence of sufficiently substantial and widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the election.

There are real issues with mail-in voting, however, the Republican opposition to widespread mail-in voting likely disenfranchised their own voters. The amount of effort put into voting for Biden per vote was less than the effort each voter put into voting for Trump.....

The Democrats had been repeatedly and loudly saying they wanted to "count every vote." The Republicans had countered with "count every legal vote."

Seems that argument is still going on.

[squatz1]

Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.

Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.

There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.

I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.

If voter fraud is uncovered after Biden takes office, I would agree that it will not be investigated.

There are issues in PA such as not allowing GOP poll watchers to watch the counting of the ballots, however, I am not aware of evidence of sufficiently substantial and widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the election.

There are real issues with mail-in voting, however, the Republican opposition to widespread mail-in voting likely disenfranchised their own voters. The amount of effort put into voting for Biden per vote was less than the effort each voter put into voting for Trump.

Trump, rather than hurting the down ballot candidates, helped them in a big way by ensuring a huge turnout among the GOP supporters.

Republicans picked up about a dozen house seats, maybe more. The Biden administration will not be able to hire people serving in the house because the Democrat majority is so small.

This is probably better suited for its own thread, or even its own sub... I don't think Trump was well prepared to win the Presidency in 2016. His early administration was not well organized, which probably resulted in much of his first term being stymied

In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors

Plus like, if it was uncovered by prosecutors within the DOJ then wouldn't it take a lot to hide all of this from the American people? There are career members of the DOJ who are Republicans, not all of them are Dems who are beholden to Biden or anything along those lines.

Yeah the early admin of the Trump administration is something that we REALLY should start a thread about. Way too much disfunction which stopped anything from really happening.

[Spendulus]

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In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors....

Well, you'd be trying to make it happen faster, and your adversaries would be trying to slow it down.

You'd legally request the voting machines be impounded for forensic examination. Your adversaries would fight that.

[TwitchySeal]

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In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors....

Well, you'd be trying to make it happen faster, and your adversaries would be trying to slow it down.

You'd legally request the voting machines be impounded for forensic examination. Your adversaries would fight that.

Imagine if that voter fraud commission Trump put together to find the 3 million illegal votes that cost him the popular vote in 2016 had actually found anything...

But they didn't.  Too bad, would have been a great talking point for you right about now.  Not as great as actual evidence that Biden only won because of fraud, but still better than nothing...which is what you have right now.

[squatz1]

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In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors....

Well, you'd be trying to make it happen faster, and your adversaries would be trying to slow it down.

You'd legally request the voting machines be impounded for forensic examination. Your adversaries would fight that.

Imagine if that voter fraud commission Trump put together to find the 3 million illegal votes that cost him the popular vote in 2016 had actually found anything...

But they didn't.  Too bad, would have been a great talking point for you right about now.  Not as great as actual evidence that Biden only won because of fraud, but still better than nothing...which is what you have right now.

Yup, that commission found nothing. As there was nothing to actually find.

Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.

Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.

[Spendulus]

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Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.

Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.

Oh, now you are making some interesting claims. Keep in mind to simply ignore reality, and keep repeating the claim. This will make it become true. Just like the Russia Collusion story became true because it kept getting repeated.

Well maybe that one didn't work out as planned.

[dupeddonk]

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Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.

Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.

Oh, now you are making some interesting claims. Keep in mind to simply ignore reality, and keep repeating the claim. This will make it become true. Just like the Russia Collusion story became true because it kept getting repeated.

Well maybe that one didn't work out as planned.

heres the reality you and millions of trump culters simply ignore and just keep repeating hoax instead

- trump campaign chair made millions of dollars getting putins preferred candidate elected president of ukraine
- russian intelligence officer flew around the world to have a 2 hour secret  meeting with trump campaign chair few months before election
- trump advisors said email dump was going to happen before it did
- don jr. and jared took meeting from russians who were offering dirt on clinton
- after gop nomination trump said he had no buisness in russia, trump tower moscow was still being negotiated
- mueller report was clear that no determination was made because olc said you have to wait till hes not president anymore to indict him
- mueller established that trump obstructed the investigation and "the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts"
- trump went on to lose the 2020 election to joe biden in trumps own definition of a land slide

[squatz1]

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Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.

Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.

Oh, now you are making some interesting claims. Keep in mind to simply ignore reality, and keep repeating the claim. This will make it become true. Just like the Russia Collusion story became true because it kept getting repeated.

Well maybe that one didn't work out as planned.

Not exactly sure where the evidence is that I am 'ignoring reality'.

At this point there is ZERO credible evidence to back the fact the voter fraud claims. Trump continues to repost things on his twitter that aren't true, and aren't holding up in a court of law. It doesn't really matter if you spread tons of BS on your twitter or random conspiracy theory blog sites, these claims do have to be proved in court where real evidence is needed.

[suchmoon]

Just a quick reminder where we stand with the presidential election:

• Biden already has 270+ electors from states that certified their results.
• This essentially takes care of the "safe harbour" deadline (December 8) - date by which states must complete all recounts etc and certify the results. None of the attempts to derail this process have succeeded.
• EC meetings are scheduled for December 14. Faithless electors and other nonsense is very unlikely due to extreme partisanship.
• The only recent Supreme Court action on election-related matters is a deadline set for PA officials to respond to a mail ballot case... set for December 9, i.e. after the certification deadline, so it won't affect the PA electoral vote.
• There is nothing else on the SC doorstep that could change anything before the 8th.

[sirazimuth]

..... Keep in mind to simply ignore reality, and keep repeating the claim. This will make it become true..

Well, this is exactly the strategy our soon to be former impotus is using.
Real judges  (many appointed by republicans and Trump himself)
aren't on board with the farce, and it's not exactly working out how he (impotus) had planned.
....Second thought, maybe it is, he's filling his PAC coffers with funds from his gullible minions
who think their donations are going to legal costs to overturn the "fraudulent election".

[squatz1]

Just a quick reminder where we stand with the presidential election:

• Biden already has 270+ electors from states that certified their results.
• This essentially takes care of the "safe harbour" deadline (December 8) - date by which states must complete all recounts etc and certify the results. None of the attempts to derail this process have succeeded.
• EC meetings are scheduled for December 14. Faithless electors and other nonsense is very unlikely due to extreme partisanship.
• The only recent Supreme Court action on election-related matters is a deadline set for PA officials to respond to a mail ballot case... set for December 9, i.e. after the certification deadline, so it won't affect the PA electoral vote.
• There is nothing else on the SC doorstep that could change anything before the 8th.

Ah, nice compilation of this entire thing.

Faithless electors were something that I've seen a ton of people talking about on Facebook and such. I guess the new thing is talking about how Trump can convince tons of faithless electors to vote for him or convince the SC to side with him. BOTH of these are totally undemocratic processes but I guess no one really cares about overturning the results of their election when the god emperor wants it for himself.

Conservatives complained about the courts for the longest time as well and now want them to involve themselves in deciding an election just to give it to their guy with no evidence? You'd understand if there was real evidence here, but there is NOT.

This shit is just fucking sad now.

[Spendulus]

... these claims do have to be proved in court where real evidence is needed.

I agree, everything you say, this thread says, and other socialist and propagandists say is not relevant.

But maybe...just maybe if you keep insisting, more and more stridently, it will become truey?

[squatz1]

... these claims do have to be proved in court where real evidence is needed.

I agree, everything you say, this thread says, and other socialist and propagandists say is not relevant.

But maybe...just maybe if you keep insisting, more and more stridently, it will become truey?

Are you telling me that if I keep insisting that evidence is needed in court then evidence will be needed in court? Crazy. That's how our country works and that's a GOOD thing.

I'm not exactly sure what you're complaining about here now, doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. Is there something in particular you want to point to or something like that?

[TwitchySeal]

I agree, everything you say, this thread says, and other socialist and propagandists say is not relevant.

How about the judges presiding over Trumps lawsuits?  Is what they say relevant?


“Contestants did not prove under any standard of proof that any illegal votes were cast and counted, or legal votes were not counted at all, for any other improper or illegal reason, nor in an amount equal to or greater than 33,596, or otherwise in an amount sufficient to raise reasonable doubt as to the outcome of the election,” Russell wrote in the order. “Reasonable doubt is one based on reason, not mere possibility.” <==Trump appointee

"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here," <==Trump appointee

[DooMAD]

But maybe...just maybe if you keep insisting, more and more stridently, it will become truey?

I think at this stage, it's the Trump supporters who are desperate for their fantasy to become real.  It'll take time, but eventually you'll come to terms with the fact that he lost.

[Spendulus]

But maybe...just maybe if you keep insisting, more and more stridently, it will become truey?

I think at this stage, it's the Trump supporters who are desperate for their fantasy to become real.  It'll take time, but eventually you'll come to terms with the fact that he lost.

After Democrats spent four years harassing Trump and claiming his election was illegitimate, don't hold your breath. What comes around goes around. You've got 74 million against you, and they are not docile little sheeple that will get into line.

[bryant.coleman]

After Democrats spent four years harassing Trump and claiming his election was illegitimate, don't hold your breath. What comes around goes around. You've got 74 million against you, and they are not docile little sheeple that will get into line.

On top of those 74 million votes (would have been much more, if the opinion polls were honest), Democrats have to deal with a wafer-thin majority in the House (222-213), and a GOP majority in the senate. SCOTUS is having a conservative majority of 5-4, and GOP is on course to a House majority by 2022. Radical measures from Biden/Kamala may not get clearance from the Congress.

[Spendulus]

After Democrats spent four years harassing Trump and claiming his election was illegitimate, don't hold your breath. What comes around goes around. You've got 74 million against you, and they are not docile little sheeple that will get into line.

On top of those 74 million votes (would have been much more, if the opinion polls were honest), Democrats have to deal with a wafer-thin majority in the House (222-213), and a GOP majority in the senate. SCOTUS is having a conservative majority of 5-4, and GOP is on course to a House majority by 2022. Radical measures from Biden/Kamala may not get clearance from the Congress.

Those are not just numerical numbers. Because the "Republicans", or whatever you want to call the Trumpers, are really, really mad now.