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November 10, 2020, 08:58:32 PM
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It is unfortunate but the truth is that the workers don't want to lose their jobs and it is everything to them even if they are taking paid leaves at least they maintain their job and casinos know that even if they pay less salary they will still retain their workers and they are taking advantage of it. This is one reason I always rate businesses higher than service/jobs, I might be a bit off topic but that's the truth.

We also need to understand that not just the workers but even the casinos are suffering as they have lost significant number of players so while I have all the sympathy with the workers but times are tough for everyone and making someone look like villain is not doing the justice to them.

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November 10, 2020, 11:56:02 PM
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I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.
Correct. This doesnt limit out only with gambling industry but also in other businesses as well on where they do need to remove some of its employees to reduce up the cost of expense of paying up salary.
They would really need to balance up everything if they do see that they are profiting somehow then they wont make such action but if they do saw that they are on negatives then this would be the
case that will happen.Its sad reality  but business do needs to profit and they would take actions that will really get rid of that problem and for them able to survive.

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November 11, 2020, 04:16:02 AM
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We also need to understand that not just the workers but even the casinos are suffering as they have lost significant number of players so while I have all the sympathy with the workers but times are tough for everyone and making someone look like villain is not doing the justice to them.
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We should not treat business, companies that are trying to survive, as a villain because they are also suffering from this pandemic, they can lose their business if this pandemic last for another year, they should do agreement business owners and the workers both suffer, they should talk and come out with a win-win situation.
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November 11, 2020, 04:55:15 AM
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We should not treat business, companies that are trying to survive, as a villain because they are also suffering from this pandemic, they can lose their business if this pandemic last for another year, they should do agreement business owners and the workers both suffer, they should talk and come out with a win-win situation.

It is tough for everyone because none of us thought that the pandemic is going to last for so long. Back in March/April, we were hoping that it would get contained within 2-3 months. Now it looks as if this situation will continue well in to 2021. Casino workers are disproportionately affected, because they need to closely interact with the casino visitors.
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November 11, 2020, 05:06:26 AM
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I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

Very true! This situation is not special nor unique as most businesses around the globe are in survival mode. Business owners need to think of alternatives how they can lessen their operational expenses. And since casinos don't have the usual number of players, they are not generating the same income as before. Also, this situation has been experienced by most even at the start of pandemic, so they should know that this will going to happen to them. If you are an employee, you need to understand the situation and look for other options where you can earn extra income. Your job is not your whole life where you can depend on. There are some ways to get that money.

It is not only casino workers that are being laid down as a matter of fact hospitality, aviation, and entertainment industry are the worst hit by this pandemic. A lot of workers have been asked to leave as there is not enough money to sustain the business with these employees. This is the new normal now and many things will change in the coming years.

With these new laws by the government, some of these casino employees will either be hired back or will be trained for other jobs but most of them will still lose their jobs.

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November 11, 2020, 05:30:28 AM
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We also need to understand that not just the workers but even the casinos are suffering as they have lost significant number of players so while I have all the sympathy with the workers but times are tough for everyone and making someone look like villain is not doing the justice to them.
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We should not treat business, companies that are trying to survive, as a villain because they are also suffering from this pandemic, they can lose their business if this pandemic last for another year, they should do agreement business owners and the workers both suffer, they should talk and come out with a win-win situation.
All people and businesses are suffering in this pandemic. They all are trying to get up from the pandemic. They lose a lot of money because they can not operate their business.
The employee can not do anything except waiting for the company's policy to help them survive. But the employee needs to find a new job to continue to survive in this pandemic. The employee can not just depend on the company to survive, and they need to search for other ways to have money to survive.

I am sure this situation will end soon, especially if the government can have the vaccine to cure the people. After many people can get cured, the business will reopen, and the economy will recover.

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November 11, 2020, 06:29:23 AM
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I am sure this situation will end soon, especially if the government can have the vaccine to cure the people. After many people can get cured, the business will reopen, and the economy will recover.
^ Definitely right but the reality bites, but it is better than nothing at all. If I am in their shoe then I will still appreciate the positive side of it that instead of being laid off I still have a job. Some of us may think that there are shortcomings on the side of the employer but we should understand these casinos are businesses too that they need to earn for their necessities as well. Nevertheless, I can consider this action of casino owners is just and fair that instead of losing their employees and later die due to starvation then they have just decided to keep them in lesser working days every month.
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November 11, 2020, 06:52:16 AM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.


8% is still a big number, that is a bad decision on their part, because the situation is temporary, there's news of the vaccine and we will have vaccines within six months, pharmaceutical companies are in a hurry and competing for the vaccine, the world can wipe this virus within a month and then we can go to our normal life, the 8% should accept the unpaid leave and ask for incentives when things are back to normal.
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November 11, 2020, 07:26:25 AM
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In a way, an unpaid leave is way much better than outright termination or laying off of workers because the business has closed. At the very least, the absence of casino work and wage is temporary for them and they could still look forward to the better days.

I guess they are now on the road to recovery.
That's a fair point. Knowing that after the duration of the leave, you still have a job to go back to is enough. Not many, especially during this time of crisis, have that kind of opportunity. Many have been forced to resign and some have been terminated from their jobs and are now struggling to find another job so they could survive.

If I'm in their shoes, I'd be sad of course. But there are also other ways of earning money. Might as well use their time of leave as a time to create a business of their own and earn money their own way.

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November 11, 2020, 07:37:33 AM
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If I'm in their shoes, I'd be sad of course. But there are also other ways of earning money. Might as well use their time of leave as a time to create a business of their own and earn money their own way.
If they have an entrepreneur skill they can start, there are a lot of online business that started in the midst of the pandemic and I have seen people doing online business after the company they are working stop their operation, there are still opportunity to create in every situation, if they choose to leave the company be sure that they are ready to face the challenge.

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November 11, 2020, 08:13:45 AM
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I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

Very true! This situation is not special nor unique as most businesses around the globe are in survival mode. Business owners need to think of alternatives how they can lessen their operational expenses. And since casinos don't have the usual number of players, they are not generating the same income as before. Also, this situation has been experienced by most even at the start of pandemic, so they should know that this will going to happen to them. If you are an employee, you need to understand the situation and look for other options where you can earn extra income. Your job is not your whole life where you can depend on. There are some ways to get that money.

It is not only casino workers that are being laid down as a matter of fact hospitality, aviation, and entertainment industry are the worst hit by this pandemic. A lot of workers have been asked to leave as there is not enough money to sustain the business with these employees. This is the new normal now and many things will change in the coming years.

With these new laws by the government, some of these casino employees will either be hired back or will be trained for other jobs but most of them will still lose their jobs.
Our economy already opened and the job are now coming back and it seems that this considered as new normal, casinos are starting to open also and they are now re hiring the employees that they remove before because of the pandemic where there is lockdown and stay at home is a must. The casinos that are now opening have now different protocols like the 5 star casino in my country where the only allowed age that allowed is 21-65 years old, if your age is above 65 years old; you cannot enter in casino because those age are the prone and vulnerable to severe cases of the virus.

I tried to enter in traditional casino with my mom last week, they now operating like before but I observed that their workers are still not the same before. I'm sure that they will re hired those employees that they removed if the pandemic will be already finish. The good thing is there is now a vaccine and for sure that next year, people can now safely use it.
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November 11, 2020, 08:53:32 AM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay


Lots of employees from different companies and fields are also experiencing the same thing. Even professionals have lost their jobs as well. I think that's the only way that they can do for them to survive their companies during this pandemic crisis and I'm sure that they didn't intend to do this, especially for their loyal employees. What we need to do is to move forward and just look for more opportunities because we are all suffering during this situation.
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November 11, 2020, 09:24:38 AM
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This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.

If those were good gaming/betting centers, they would have been encouraged/pushed to try online (or something like that) and target mostly the citizens of the country. If they were mostly for the money rather than making others/society better, they will likely find it hard to "feed" the citizens or people close to them thesame thing they feed outsiders. Economies built in this manner will likely suffer when crisis like the pandemic arise. Basic needs won't be affected too much.

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November 11, 2020, 09:57:17 AM
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It just reflect how bad the situation in Macau, the gambling capital of the world, they heavily rely on gambling, take this away from this country and they will looked like a third world country, the management I guess have no option, they also need to survive, and since the salary is a main concern they have to cut the cost and the victims are their employees, if workers have other option then they should look for other opportunities like what the 8% did.

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November 11, 2020, 09:58:28 AM
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This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.

If those were good gaming/betting centers, they would have been encouraged/pushed to try online (or something like that) and target mostly the citizens of the country. If they were mostly for the money rather than making others/society better, they will likely find it hard to "feed" the citizens or people close to them thesame thing they feed outsiders. Economies built in this manner will likely suffer when crisis like the pandemic arise. Basic needs won't be affected too much.



Online gambling does not need a lot of personnel, so casinos would still get rid of number of employees.

The company has not responsibility on the employees anymore as they are the one making a decision to leave without pay, though it does not look good but that's how the reality looks like when the business is struggling. Macau is the gambling capital of the world, and that is a big statement on the industry as it's struggling now.

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November 11, 2020, 10:13:15 AM
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It's not surprising that this has everything to do with the pandemic situation in our world today, this is very much the order of the day with all the ban on traveling and lockdown of towns, cities and borders. It makes me even ask myself, how were these staff serving at their duty post even with the lockdown rules in place...?
Every aim of any enterprise is to make profit so as to pay It's staff and stay in business and for that to happen, it means the business is got to be booming which is very much not what we saw lately in tthis era of the pandemic. They experienced a 90% drop and later a 220% rise within few months after losing for several months, they've got to compensate for lost months and perhaps see to settling it's staff gradually. The world is all going through some changes at the moment, we've got to adjust and fit in.
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November 11, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
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It just reflect how bad the situation in Macau, the gambling capital of the world, they heavily rely on gambling, take this away from this country and they will looked like a third world country, the management I guess have no option, they also need to survive, and since the salary is a main concern they have to cut the cost and the victims are their employees, if workers have other option then they should look for other opportunities like what the 8% did.
This is the result we get from the pandemic, although the situation at macau is not gearing and probably need urgent attention from the concern body. This action was taken becasue of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMPy1Fro4Z4, this should be the best option anyone can take when it come to corona-virus, those countries without necessary precautions where those countries seriously heat by this virus, so, the actions from the concerns body is a welcome development and should be applauded.

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November 11, 2020, 11:47:20 AM
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Online gambling does not need a lot of personnel, so casinos would still get rid of number of employees.

The company has not responsibility on the employees anymore as they are the one making a decision to leave without pay, though it does not look good but that's how the reality looks like when the business is struggling. Macau is the gambling capital of the world, and that is a big statement on the industry as it's struggling now.

Physical casinos need a lot of personnel and if you have a lot of personnel and no money is coming in a company will have to do drastic action like this, because they are losing money from giving salary to their employees and rent to equipment and location, it's not only on Macau almost everywhere that the countries budget are being realigned to combat this virus, everyone is suffering our only still lies on the vaccine. 

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November 11, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
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Physical casinos need a lot of personnel and if you have a lot of personnel and no money is coming in a company will have to do drastic action like this, because they are losing money from giving salary to their employees and rent to equipment and location, it's not only on Macau almost everywhere that the countries budget are being realigned to combat this virus, everyone is suffering our only still lies on the vaccine. 
cases like this do not only happen to casino workers and in Macau, hotel workers, flight attendants, and also some restaurant and night club owners must be willing to take this extreme action (firing).  this virus not only damages our lungs but also our lifestyle and economy.  I have often said that it is fortunate for those of us who can still get money from the internet, especially Bitcoin because many out there are very dizzy thinking about what they should do when fired..

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At least they should pay those men a-month salary. What can be worse? Dealing with the pandemic while you lose your job is totally a nightmare. Those people have to struggle for their daily needs. What surprises me that those people continue to loyal to this industry although I believe they can find a new job. I guess high tips are the main reason to prevent them from switching side

Not just gambling but many other businesses force people to abandon their job without paying a single penny. Not all business act the same way, but most of them are not pleased with the idea of paying workers who are planned to be fire.

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