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November 09, 2020, 05:26:04 PM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay

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November 09, 2020, 05:52:00 PM
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~ The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.
What's weird about that? Those who worked with them for a short period of time were probably forced to resign and not a forced leave.

Companies are trying to make ends meet too and they need help from the Government to assist their employees.

I know of a company that recently forced employees to take a one week leave each month. They could have done that as early as March but they didn't.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.

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At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.

That's comparing Sept and October only. How about losses suffered from March?

It also says there that projected tourists arrivals (casino players) are going to drop by 90%. That further justifies the cost cutting by casinos.
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November 09, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
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Not only casino workers are suffering from this kind of change.
There are other businesses that are forced to implement this strategy to their employees in order to survive.
For the employees that will experience this kind of change, just be understanding that this is really going to happen.
Look for other alternative jobs while on leave. Employers can't really pay their workers if they are not earning income.
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November 09, 2020, 06:29:24 PM
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The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

If it's weird for you then try to look at other industries. It's not just in gambling but almost the majority of businesses as well have to force their employees to leave without pay due to the obvious reason that they got struck hard by the pandemic. Obviously, those who work for long will be those who will be considered for leave, as for new employees, they might get forced to resign especially those in probation period even they are bound to become a regular employee prior to the pandemic. The best example is restaurants and some of my friends (under probation and regular employee) experienced this.

Several months after the lockdown, and fortunately, some employees who got forced to leave now seen in action although on a skeletal workforce which is good compared to a long period of absence without pay.

It's fortunate that companies implemented the force-leave for their regular employees instead unlike terminating them completely to somehow cut their losses.

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November 09, 2020, 06:33:09 PM
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By checking info about Macau gaming enterprise, i was surprised to see that the company is running since more than 20 years (1999) : Economic growth and development in Macau (1999–2016)
So it's almost strange how it can't support its workers during a temporary pandemic. Is this the only solution they found to reduce the damage? We all know about casinos who lunch a gaming app or platform in order not lose their custmers by keepping the company running during crisis .
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November 09, 2020, 06:44:04 PM
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It's sad but not the worse.
We all have been hit hard by the pandemic and without profits from our employers, there is no way they could pay every employee.
You cannot blame them for that. They can provide but they need a share from the government.
Imagine giving away money for a year. How could they start over without capital left in their pockets?
Then, employees will have no jobs to go back to.
This is one of the reasons why I started working from home.
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November 09, 2020, 06:46:17 PM
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A lot of industries have suffered during the pandemic. But this incident could be the result of one infection from the casino worker.

Searching for some specific or connected news. From South China Morning Post's Youtube channel has posted that Macau casinos will be closed to avoid further infection.

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November 09, 2020, 06:53:25 PM
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It's sad but not the worse.
We all have been hit hard by the pandemic and without profits from our employers, there is no way they could pay every employee.
You cannot blame them for that. They can provide but they need a share from the government.
Imagine giving away money for a year. How could they start over without capital left in their pockets?
Then, employees will have no jobs to go back to.
This is one of the reasons why I started working from home.

Needed some initiative on our part because its understandable that employers arent earning income so it wont be surprising that they would really be
ending up on with that kind of decision.It is still hard for them but they would need to take action or else they would totally shut their doors if
they would continue to give pay even if they arent earning.So as a worker then we should think up on finding some alternative ways because
we dont know on what would happen next.

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November 09, 2020, 08:35:06 PM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay

Everyone is doing their best to try to survive, a quick calculation indicates that if they lost 90% of their gross revenue and then the next month it went up 229% it means they are experimenting a 32.9% gross revenue compared to August, as such despite the recovery they are only receiving a third of what they were used to, so it makes sense that they still have their workers on unpaid leave.

We must understand that the pandemic has shifted the priorities of people and anything that was a luxury is experimenting a huge decrease in consumption, for example in my country I see a lot of jewelries giving discounts as big as 70% on everything on the store, they are probably selling what they have at a breakeven price and even that is not enough to bring clients to their doors so I suppose a part of the gambling industry is suffering something similar.

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November 09, 2020, 08:47:51 PM
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That's the reality when it comes to a company, you cant hire a bunch of employees working on your company while the revenue is quite short, your company won't survive in that way. Forcing to resign with have benefits like retirements fee or separation fees well I guess employees will start a new job without worrying a week allowance since they got something from the company.

But forced to leave and nothing have got, that is very worst, I guess they need to go to the department of labor that can help to them

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November 09, 2020, 08:59:12 PM
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~ The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.
What's weird about that? Those who worked with them for a short period of time were probably forced to resign and not a forced leave.
thats not weird but that is an example of unprofessionalism . professional company will value workers that are already working for them for too long or to those that are already regular employees .

 when regular employees leaved or resign they can get a seperation pay and that amount can be huge depending on how long you have been working on the company . forcing to resign is simillar to being forced to leaved but both of them shouldnt be done for employees if they are working properly .
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~ The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.
What's weird about that? Those who worked with them for a short period of time were probably forced to resign and not a forced leave.

Companies are trying to make ends meet too and they need help from the Government to assist their employees.

I know of a company that recently forced employees to take a one week leave each month. They could have done that as early as March but they didn't.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.

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At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.

That's comparing Sept and October only. How about losses suffered from March?

It also says there that projected tourists arrivals (casino players) are going to drop by 90%. That further justifies the cost cutting by casinos.
But they could've at least be a bit humane about it. These people they forced to unpaid leaves have mpuths to feed, and most probably would not have much power in theur hands to find a new job right away especially given the fact that the skills required for you to work in a casino don't usually cope well with skills required in other fields, a stipend of some sort can alleviate their employee's problem first and foremost.
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At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.



The growth of income from games occurs only against the background of September. If you compare this figure with October 2019, it will not be in favor of October 2020. That is why we had to send workers on unpaid leave. Casino is not a place that is vital to people during the pandemic, so many refuse to visit, which affects casino income.
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At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.



The growth of income from games occurs only against the background of September. If you compare this figure with October 2019, it will not be in favor of October 2020. That is why we had to send workers on unpaid leave. Casino is not a place that is vital to people during the pandemic, so many refuse to visit, which affects casino income.

Did you ever heard about planetwin365 sportsbets gambling platform ?
With the pandemic, the company turn the website into an online gaming interface where gamblers can still bet their chances in new online games. It was a wise step to avoid the infection of the pandemic. I would think why all those casinos didn't thought about something similar instead of fire employments. When the workers leave, this is the worst sign the company isn't to be trusted by anybody .
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At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.



The growth of income from games occurs only against the background of September. If you compare this figure with October 2019, it will not be in favor of October 2020. That is why we had to send workers on unpaid leave. Casino is not a place that is vital to people during the pandemic, so many refuse to visit, which affects casino income.

Did you ever heard about planetwin365 sportsbets gambling platform ?
With the pandemic, the company turn the website into an online gaming interface where gamblers can still bet their chances in new online games. It was a wise step to avoid the infection of the pandemic. I would think why all those casinos didn't thought about something similar instead of fire employments. When the workers leave, this is the worst sign the company isn't to be trusted by anybody .
Easy to say but the entire switch up from physical to online will really take up some work and do you really believe that those workers would remain? No it wont yet running an online casino
doesnt really need much of manpower thats why lessening out of employees is inevitable.You cant blame them because its just normal to do actions when your business isnt earning that would
compensate the expenses.

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Most people who've been working that has an offer of unpaid leaves was a contractual employees or their work based on a project employment. Generally, it always happens in time of pandemic that workers in a specific firms aside from casino will undergo this kind of situation. How much more with this type fo business which is an entertainment gambling operation, that caters the money from people who worked from a company and earn fiat money for a living. In this worst situations of health crisis, casino employees will always be affected due to few gamblers will seek pleasures of their money. Average person prefers money for food not wih gambling.
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While this is not everyone wanted to happen, it seems they are left with very limited options. The gambling revenue has stopped for months. The operation was completely halted. It simply cannot support the salaries and wages of workers who are not working at all.

In a way, an unpaid leave is way much better than outright termination or laying off of workers because the business has closed. At the very least, the absence of casino work and wage is temporary for them and they could still look forward to the better days.

I guess they are now on the road to recovery.

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November 10, 2020, 12:58:05 AM
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It really isn't surprising, isn't it? Heck, I'd be glad if they weren't instead given an amount of money and then forced to resign. Casinos are just trying to make ends meet, so I suppose we can't completely blame them. Though they do share the blame, partly, heck, we all were hit by the pandemic so I really doubt pointing fingers is the way we should move forward.
Did you ever heard about planetwin365 sportsbets gambling platform ?
With the pandemic, the company turn the website into an online gaming interface where gamblers can still bet their chances in new online games. It was a wise step to avoid the infection of the pandemic. I would think why all those casinos didn't thought about something similar instead of fire employments. When the workers leave, this is the worst sign the company isn't to be trusted by anybody .
It's not like all staff could help in developing and managing an online interface though? Not to mention that they only need a few people as technical support, and even if we force it to accommodate as much staff as possible, it still isn't enough to give everyone a chance to work. Not to mention that not every staff of a casino is technically inclined to developing, managing and working in a technical support team. Hell, making online casinos actually cut more employees than a physical casino tbh, not to mention that only specialized personnel could help manage said casino.

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It also happened into my country wherein there are casinos who have bad management when it comes to their employees where they do not treat is a human, If I'm not mistaken that issue became big and a lot of protest happened outside those casinos because of their poor etiquette to their employees. The good thing is there are now news about a certain casino that are doing malpractices to their employees. The casinos in my country are now opening again after many months of close because of pandemic, the jobs are now increasing and the poverty rate is now decreasing and I'm grateful because the covid cases in my country is continuing to decrease.

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November 10, 2020, 01:30:49 AM
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That's so sad but it is truly happening at our current condition, we are now suffering from the pandemic especially our work outside our home, this pandemic forces some company to lessen their workers just to still enough money for them, well we cannot blame them because that is business and we are all suffering from the pandemic, the good thing here is that on October, they have recovered from the gaming revenue, it happens because the cases of this pandemic become less which results of not having too many restrictions.

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~ The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.
What's weird about that? Those who worked with them for a short period of time were probably forced to resign and not a forced leave.
thats not weird but that is an example of unprofessionalism . professional company will value workers that are already working for them for too long or to those that are already regular employees .

 when regular employees leaved or resign they can get a seperation pay and that amount can be huge depending on how long you have been working on the company . forcing to resign is simillar to being forced to leaved but both of them shouldnt be done for employees if they are working properly .
Easy for you to say that what they did is unprofessional because you are still thinking these casinos are operating under "normal" conditions but they are obviously not. I'm just gonna leave it at that. Think of the things you'll do when you are in a losing business because of a special condition like this pandemic.


~ But they could've at least be a bit humane about it. These people they forced to unpaid leaves have mpuths to feed, and most probably would not have much power in theur hands to find a new job right away especially given the fact that the skills required for you to work in a casino don't usually cope well with skills required in other fields, a stipend of some sort can alleviate their employee's problem first and foremost.
Why did you assume they were inhumane? Did you not read their proposals to the Government to help out? Like I said, these businesses are trying to survive too. It would be easy for them to go the easier route which is to completely seize operation after months operating at a loss.
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Nowadays that there's an ongoing pandemic its not new anymore.
Casinos and other companies are still struggling to survive, the virus is still existing therefore people are not allowed or has a restriction when going out.

So we're not yet back to normal thus this kind of situation is already expected. It seems unfair but we cant do anything about it, they need to operate with less employess to somehow recover their losses and to not end up closing down permanently.

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Nowadays that there's an ongoing pandemic its not new anymore.
Casinos and other companies are still struggling to survive, the virus is still existing therefore people are not allowed or has a restriction when going out.

So we're not yet back to normal thus this kind of situation is already expected. It seems unfair but we cant do anything about it, they need to operate with less employess to somehow recover their losses and to not end up closing down permanently.

Even there are establishments who are now operating the threat of this pandemic still exist.

Casinos are not exempt so in order to continue and survive they needed to do things like this, not just with this business but everything needs to face this new normal settings, There's no way for the operator to continue paying those people as customers are not being met for the whole operation expenses.

We  are not totally back in a normal that we really knew, it will take much longer as vaccines is not yet available.
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November 10, 2020, 02:34:23 AM
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The casino can force its old employee without giving any payment to recruit new employees with a small salary. It is normal to see that it happens, and perhaps, that is not just happening in Macau, but in the other place, that happens too. If we are still at the pandemic, and the government is hard to control their economy, they will not regulate the unpaid leave because that can make the business owner feel difficult to pay their employees. It happens to all businesses with many employees because many businesses have suffered in this pandemic. But many are trying to survive.
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The casino can force its old employee without giving any payment to recruit new employees with a small salary. It is normal to see that it happens, and perhaps, that is not just happening in Macau, but in the other place, that happens too.

If you are referring to this as normal even if there is no pandemic, I don't agree with you. I am not familiar with the labor laws of Macau but it is probably not allowed to just fire old employees without giving any payment for the sake of new employees with a lower salary.

Casinos can force them to quit working for the casino but only under valid grounds. They cannot just tell an employee that he is done with his job and that he will not be paid anymore.
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The casino can force its old employee without giving any payment to recruit new employees with a small salary. It is normal to see that it happens, and perhaps, that is not just happening in Macau, but in the other place, that happens too. If we are still at the pandemic, and the government is hard to control their economy, they will not regulate the unpaid leave because that can make the business owner feel difficult to pay their employees. It happens to all businesses with many employees because many businesses have suffered in this pandemic. But many are trying to survive.
That is what businesses has been for a long time, it is not exclusive to casinos. If this was around the pandemic peak, this will raise some eyebrows but they pulled this off in a struggle phase which means this could be a problem for the businesses. This sounds scummy because revenues in casinos are still high which means more takeaway for the owner.

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November 10, 2020, 02:50:42 AM
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The casino can force its old employee without giving any payment to recruit new employees with a small salary. It is normal to see that it happens, and perhaps, that is not just happening in Macau, but in the other place, that happens too.

If you are referring to this as normal even if there is no pandemic, I don't agree with you. I am not familiar with the labor laws of Macau but it is probably not allowed to just fire old employees without giving any payment for the sake of new employees with a lower salary.

Casinos can force them to quit working for the casino but only under valid grounds. They cannot just tell an employee that he is done with his job and that he will not be paid anymore.

It's hard to comment on this since Macau might have a different labor law than other countries. But looking at it, it seems unfair to the old employees to be forced to quit and be replaced for a new one with lower pay. We understand that businesses are striving to survive, but employees should be compensated well amidst pandemic, if your business cannot afford to give what is right for the employees the business might close as well.

Anyway, workers can file a complaint at their labor department if they think the casino had violated and labor code. Same as businesses each of us are striving to make a living.
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November 10, 2020, 03:37:45 AM
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The casino can force its old employee without giving any payment to recruit new employees with a small salary. It is normal to see that it happens, and perhaps, that is not just happening in Macau, but in the other place, that happens too.

If you are referring to this as normal even if there is no pandemic, I don't agree with you. I am not familiar with the labor laws of Macau but it is probably not allowed to just fire old employees without giving any payment for the sake of new employees with a lower salary.

Casinos can force them to quit working for the casino but only under valid grounds. They cannot just tell an employee that he is done with his job and that he will not be paid anymore.

It's hard to comment on this since Macau might have a different labor law than other countries. But looking at it, it seems unfair to the old employees to be forced to quit and be replaced for a new one with lower pay. We understand that businesses are striving to survive, but employees should be compensated well amidst pandemic, if your business cannot afford to give what is right for the employees the business might close as well.

Anyway, workers can file a complaint at their labor department if they think the casino had violated and labor code. Same as businesses each of us are striving to make a living.

if they think thier business is having a hard time why will they still continue but why not if they take a rest for a period of time  , pay all the employees including the newer ones but they must pay a little large for the older ones to make it fair . whenever they open up again its up to them if they replaced new employees or not but older employees must be kept because they are already more trusted and are already part of the company for a long time . if they decide to keep the business running , they can released the newer employees and kept the old employees but with a cut in payment if the company is really suffering . employees will understand it
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November 10, 2020, 08:47:18 AM
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I guess the government depends more on visitors from other countries for the revenue earned from casinos?
Well, I wish government could focus more on having good/safe gaming or casino businesses than focusing on their continuous revenue growth. The focus on having casinos or gaming industry earn huge revenues for countries is probably why they don't impose good standards on lots of them
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This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.
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November 10, 2020, 09:30:33 AM
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Not only casino workers are suffering from this kind of change.
There are other businesses that are forced to implement this strategy to their employees in order to survive.
For the employees that will experience this kind of change, just be understanding that this is really going to happen.
Look for other alternative jobs while on leave. Employers can't really pay their workers if they are not earning income.

trying to find alternative work is what the worker has to do...
laying off employees without pay is a classic excuse for business owners in this time of the outbreak. my husband just quit his job because the place where he worked was very quiet and had no income. I hope the workers who are terminated without pay by the casino in Macau can find another job they deserve.



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November 10, 2020, 09:32:50 AM
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This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.

I think all companies have cut costs because of the pandemic and places like Macau which rely almost 100% on tourists who go there only for gambling,are facing hard times now that most of international flights have stopped because of a reemerging second wave of the novel Corona virus.I am sorry for the casino workers but they are no different from other workers who have lost their jobs.

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There is nothing wrong or weird with what they are doing. It is called cost cutting. They are not capable of paying their employees because of our current situation so they don't have any other choice but to do that. In any part of the world is doing the same thing to avoid more losses, it is not new in the business industry, even casino has been doing it to save their business for their own future.



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November 10, 2020, 10:25:12 AM
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Nowadays that there's an ongoing pandemic its not new anymore.
Casinos and other companies are still struggling to survive, the virus is still existing therefore people are not allowed or has a restriction when going out.

So we're not yet back to normal thus this kind of situation is already expected. It seems unfair but we cant do anything about it, they need to operate with less employess to somehow recover their losses and to not end up closing down permanently.

I though so, many are being retrenched because of this pandemic. Many people I know  that their company are closed  and did not know when too open as the management instructed just find another job for the meantime.  I pity those  casino employee who are forced to leave and hoping this pandemic will end and to start a fresh beginning to all of us.
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November 10, 2020, 10:31:21 AM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :


That is really sad to read. I mean most companies have the same problem during the corona pandemic. Sales are bad and the companies might even need to close down their business due to the lockdown. But not paying their employee is wrong in my opinion. There will be a time after the pandemic and we need qualified employees than again. Everyone is hurting right now and it would be best if we spread the problems.
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November 10, 2020, 10:56:18 AM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

In this scenario, we can conclude that the gambling industry in Macau is suffering, unfortunately, the workers are the one badly hit, the management can opt for dialogue and reach a compromise as they urge their workers to accept the decision of forced unpaid leaves while the industry is suffering from the pandemic, when the industry recovers, they can give their workers who help them in times of crisis with additional bonuses when they recover.
This pandemic will not last and good dialogue is what the two-party needs to smooth things out.

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I thought the Asian countries are doing good than the westerners in dealing with the virus, the news seems to tell us that Asian countries are doing better and are almost back to normal like how the Chinese are going it.

The new normal really isn't normal at all. Though the virus are very much controlled in their area, the people are still very cautious that they are still not going back to casino like they use to.

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I thought the Asian countries are doing good than the westerners in dealing with the virus, the news seems to tell us that Asian countries are doing better and are almost back to normal like how the Chinese are going it.

The new normal really isn't normal at all. Though the virus are very much controlled in their area, the people are still very cautious that they are still not going back to casino like they use to.

Well, you just answered your own statement.
Though the virus has been under controlled along this area, but that doesn't mean every businesses has bounced back after a devastating economic crash. Macau has been knowned as the Las Vegas of Asia and are expecting to cater a lot of foreign clients every single day. Without these foreign clients, the casino cannot contain the payroll If all the staff are in full operation.
The casino cannot be blamed here If these employees has been force to have "leave with no pay" . This scenario should be consulted to the government to assist these employees financially.

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November 10, 2020, 11:40:38 AM
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That's everywhere and not just in casino industry. Travel & hospitality industry has taken a big hit due to covid so majority of the companies in this field have either fired a majority of their workforce or sent them to unpaid leave. So there's no surprise at all!

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That's a normal mindset of any company and again not just from the casino industry! There's no surprise either! Also people need to understand that staying with the same company hinders their growth potential. In corporate, loyalty is a fugazi that doesn't exist!

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November 10, 2020, 12:00:05 PM
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I thought the Asian countries are doing good than the westerners in dealing with the virus, the news seems to tell us that Asian countries are doing better and are almost back to normal like how the Chinese are going it.

The new normal really isn't normal at all. Though the virus are very much controlled in their area, the people are still very cautious that they are still not going back to casino like they use to.

Well, you just answered your own statement.
Though the virus has been under controlled along this area, but that doesn't mean every businesses has bounced back after a devastating economic crash. Macau has been knowned as the Las Vegas of Asia and are expecting to cater a lot of foreign clients every single day. Without these foreign clients, the casino cannot contain the payroll If all the staff are in full operation.
The casino cannot be blamed here If these employees has been force to have "leave with no pay" . This scenario should be consulted to the government to assist these employees financially.

That is true, many businesses didn't recover or are still in slow and painful surviving process. That also depends from country to country, in some governments introduced some measurers to help to recover the economy but not equal to all businesses. Unfortunately,  I think that gambling industry is among those who didn't receive much help and government support.
It's not a wonder that workers found themselves in such difficult situation but it's also up to owners to decide how to deal with that. Is it their priority to keep their own economy standard or keep workers at job and help them to survive.

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November 10, 2020, 12:33:12 PM
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Well, the declaration of the profits from the operating gambling casino is based on all the profits minus the operational expenses thus includes salary for the personnel and staff working in that casino. Meaning that it is possible that they could get a good revenue after the cost cut of salary for their personnel and staff. We could not also blame the casino management to force this to happen because of pandemic. Remember that most of the government had set the capacity of the venue to be limited thus it could lessen too the volume of the gamblers that will going to play and the needed personnel and staff also should only the required number to its optimum to maximize health safety protocols.
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Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


This explains everything. Casinos can't afford to have so many employees yet few gamblers, that means they'll only have smaller bankrolls than they have before and the same payouts before, in short, they're going to suffer if they won't remove some of their employees. However, the unpaid part is not convincing at all, because even though they are suffering due to the ongoing pandemic, they have still funds to pay their employees that they forced to leave.

It's not surprising at all, it's happening all over the world. Most of the old employees are the ones who remains in the company because they do have more merits than the new ones.
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November 10, 2020, 01:22:09 PM
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I have friends in the casino industry and what they are going through is kinda harsh since most of them are also forced to take unpaid leaves with no definite time-frame of their return to the field given that most of the players are still unable to get back and play inside brick-and-mortar casinos due to the threat of COVID-19. Some of them are forced to take other jobs completely different from their line of work, which is really frustrating though they can't be choosers knowing how everyone is affected one way or another by this pandemic.

Macau is almost COVID-free the last time I checked, but you can't really expect the locals to play there on their own, and most of their revenues are coming in from foreign nationals visiting the country to play in their casinos which is obviously not happening due to travel restrictions and such.

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I think its because of the pandemic, since people are not allowed to go out because of the pandemic, companies are having a hard time where to get the salary for the employee, but they should think of other ways to pay them or at least maybe half in consideration, its a tough time for employers and employee, they should have at least come to a conclusion wherein everyone is happy, I hope this pandemic ends already, it has affected everything.

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November 10, 2020, 01:58:07 PM
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Maybe we can think that it is unfair for the employee, but the employee can not do anything because they need to follow their company.
This pandemic puts many companies in hard situations because they want to have their employee still work with them.
In other situations, the company needs to spend more budgets to pay their employee.
On the other hand, they need to make money from their business, but unfortunately, the company needs to work harder than before.
The employees suffer and really need help, but maybe there will be new jobs to start working in the new jobs to get paid.
If the unpaid employee can get new jobs, they can survive this pandemic, and the important thing is they can have money to buy their daily needs.

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Macau is a tourist and gambling city, these two are their source of revenue, the government, private sectors and workers should hold a dialogue, I am a pro worker, but they should consider the offer as long as they are not laying off their workers, vaccines are coming out and we will go back to normal, the kind of normal that we used to enjoyed before the pandemic, and workers can then ask for compensation because they agreed to take an unpaid leave.


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November 10, 2020, 03:22:34 PM
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It's kinda understandable why they are forced to take unpaid leave since businesses in this industry are widely affected by the pandemic. Like us, businesses also need to survive. A lot of industries were affected so it's also happening in other sectors, some even lost their jobs. I think most gamblers are still afraid to go outside and the authorities still won't allow crowded places so it's also hard for the business's part. But since it's mentioned that their revenue already increased, I hope workers will now also receive enough pay.
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
Quote
Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay


It is very sad to hear and read such a thing. And that while those casinos all have large turnover. Then the first rule for me is to take good care of your staff right away and straight on a good way.
Your staff has made you great and successful, and you must continue to treat them with respect at all times.

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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

Quote
Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
Quote
Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay


It is very sad to hear and read such a thing. And that while those casinos all have large turnover. Then the first rule for me is to take good care of your staff right away and straight on a good way.
Your staff has made you great and successful, and you must continue to treat them with respect at all times.
This is an awful thing. They don't care about their staffs! After the hardwork and effort they had given, the management force them to leave without payment such a heartless people. They didn't think that their staffs has families to feed and monthly bills to pay and now how are they able to pay those and how are they able to live with a tight budget? Come on they need the money.
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November 10, 2020, 04:16:57 PM
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I think the casinos could have seen a way to have some pay cut for the workers and not totally not giving out some pay to them because I believe that these workers have families and people depending on them . That is why having a regulated casino will make better good for players and workers also.
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November 10, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
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This is what happen to most of the workers here also in our country so I am not that surprise that the Macau gaming are imposing some forced unpaid leave especially if they can no longer support the payment of their workers.

If the crisis will be finish, I am sure that they can go back to work again but I cannot blame also those 8% for looking for other jobs especially if they need to find some money in order to support their daily livings.
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That is a very sad situation which doesn't happen only in casino industry, but in every sectors I believe. We can just hope these employees find work elsewhere at least until the economical activities start heating again.
Furthermore, that is why investments are so important in someone's life. These employees, for an example, didn't expect to be forced into unpaid leave, it was a sudden situation.
So it's important to have some money saved or invested in order to keep the financial life and to guarantee the basic needs during crisis time. That is something which should be taught at schools.

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November 10, 2020, 06:00:53 PM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

Quote
Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
Quote
Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay


It is very sad to hear and read such a thing. And that while those casinos all have large turnover. Then the first rule for me is to take good care of your staff right away and straight on a good way.
Your staff has made you great and successful, and you must continue to treat them with respect at all times.
This is an awful thing. They don't care about their staffs! After the hardwork and effort they had given, the management force them to leave without payment such a heartless people. They didn't think that their staffs has families to feed and monthly bills to pay and now how are they able to pay those and how are they able to live with a tight budget? Come on they need the money.
This is very concerning and such incidents have occurred in any business or company during the pandemic, unpaid leave, and even being dismissed with severance payments that do not match the term of office.
and inevitably they have to accept the harsh reality that their lives will be more difficult during the pandemic due to the loss of jobs and income to meet their needs, may this pandemic end quickly and all who have lost their jobs can return to work normally.

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Nothing is weird over here. When those casino workers were joining the casino, they had to sign a legal contract with them. The contract had all the terms and clauses which the workers read (I assume) and signed. So they agreed to all these as soon as they joined.
If that is not the case, and they are "forced" an unpaid leave, then they can take legal actions against the casino. If the casino did anything wrong, they will have to pay their workers their regular wage along with some compensation.

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November 10, 2020, 06:59:03 PM
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Nothing is weird over here. When those casino workers were joining the casino, they had to sign a legal contract with them. The contract had all the terms and clauses which the workers read (I assume) and signed. So they agreed to all these as soon as they joined.
If that is not the case, and they are "forced" an unpaid leave, then they can take legal actions against the casino. If the casino did anything wrong, they will have to pay their workers their regular wage along with some compensation.

yeah, as soon as it signed, you are officially a slave for them.
but still, the labor institution in that country should protect the workers.
a force majeure event like this current pandemic situation should not be an excuse to made that workers in that position.
unpaid leave for workers is a double-kill for them.
If I am not mistaken, the living cost in Macau is very expensive too, compared to nearby Asian countries.
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I thought the Asian countries are doing good than the westerners in dealing with the virus, the news seems to tell us that Asian countries are doing better and are almost back to normal like how the Chinese are going it.

The new normal really isn't normal at all. Though the virus are very much controlled in their area, the people are still very cautious that they are still not going back to casino like they use to.

Well, you just answered your own statement.
Though the virus has been under controlled along this area, but that doesn't mean every businesses has bounced back after a devastating economic crash. Macau has been knowned as the Las Vegas of Asia and are expecting to cater a lot of foreign clients every single day. Without these foreign clients, the casino cannot contain the payroll If all the staff are in full operation.
The casino cannot be blamed here If these employees has been force to have "leave with no pay" . This scenario should be consulted to the government to assist these employees financially.

That is true, many businesses didn't recover or are still in slow and painful surviving process. That also depends from country to country, in some governments introduced some measurers to help to recover the economy but not equal to all businesses. Unfortunately,  I think that gambling industry is among those who didn't receive much help and government support.
It's not a wonder that workers found themselves in such difficult situation but it's also up to owners to decide how to deal with that. Is it their priority to keep their own economy standard or keep workers at job and help them to survive.
Understandable that gambling industry wont really be on the priority specially into this pandemic situation.Most likely or definitely the sector that had been supported
is mainly on essentials which i cant really blame off yet this one is very needed specially now on this global condition.So, in result this will really affect those other industries
which is outside on the scope of essentials which its understandable that all of them are struggling to survive this is why majority do really need to lay-off due to big expense
from to its worker pays and if they wont do it then that might result into total closure due to bankruptcy.

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November 10, 2020, 07:28:15 PM
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That is a very sad situation which doesn't happen only in casino industry, but in every sectors I believe. We can just hope these employees find work elsewhere at least until the economical activities start heating again.
Furthermore, that is why investments are so important in someone's life. These employees, for an example, didn't expect to be forced into unpaid leave, it was a sudden situation.
So it's important to have some money saved or invested in order to keep the financial life and to guarantee the basic needs during crisis time. That is something which should be taught at schools.

Nice comment, I share the same opinion! It's sad for people who are basically on the street now, because it's hard to find a job these days and keep paying bills! Bills don't late! I agree with you that people should learn to save and invest, this two things can save you in troubled times, and those times comes when you don't expect!
Well we are living in hard times! Yesterday I saw a guy on TV from my city, with several diplomas, and he knows 5 languages, he had a travel agency and worked all life only that! Now he drives a cab, and he says that he needs to pay bills, government didn't help that sector, there are no tourists... totally fucked up times for many people! We can only hope it will be better!

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November 10, 2020, 08:06:15 PM
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I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

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November 10, 2020, 08:13:50 PM
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The growth of income from games occurs only against the background of September. If you compare this figure with October 2019, it will not be in favor of October 2020. That is why we had to send workers on unpaid leave. Casino is not a place that is vital to people during the pandemic, so many refuse to visit, which affects casino income.

Did you ever heard about planetwin365 sportsbets gambling platform ?
With the pandemic, the company turn the website into an online gaming interface where gamblers can still bet their chances in new online games. It was a wise step to avoid the infection of the pandemic. I would think why all those casinos didn't thought about something similar instead of fire employments. When the workers leave, this is the worst sign the company isn't to be trusted by anybody .

Any casino can create a site for gambling. However, this will not save the dismissed employees, because they still can not all work as a support service or technical staff site. Therefore, if the casino has a seriously reduced number of visitors, they will not avoid layoffs. They could certainly pay at least part of their salary, but this could eventually lead to the bankruptcy of the casino. And so the workers have a chance to be hired again once the pandemic is over. The employees will certainly have to look for a new job after they are fired, but the responsible employer will have to pay a good severance package when they are fired.
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November 10, 2020, 08:14:28 PM
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I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

Very true! This situation is not special nor unique as most businesses around the globe are in survival mode. Business owners need to think of alternatives how they can lessen their operational expenses. And since casinos don't have the usual number of players, they are not generating the same income as before. Also, this situation has been experienced by most even at the start of pandemic, so they should know that this will going to happen to them. If you are an employee, you need to understand the situation and look for other options where you can earn extra income. Your job is not your whole life where you can depend on. There are some ways to get that money.
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November 10, 2020, 08:58:32 PM
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It is unfortunate but the truth is that the workers don't want to lose their jobs and it is everything to them even if they are taking paid leaves at least they maintain their job and casinos know that even if they pay less salary they will still retain their workers and they are taking advantage of it. This is one reason I always rate businesses higher than service/jobs, I might be a bit off topic but that's the truth.

We also need to understand that not just the workers but even the casinos are suffering as they have lost significant number of players so while I have all the sympathy with the workers but times are tough for everyone and making someone look like villain is not doing the justice to them.

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November 10, 2020, 11:56:02 PM
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I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.
Correct. This doesnt limit out only with gambling industry but also in other businesses as well on where they do need to remove some of its employees to reduce up the cost of expense of paying up salary.
They would really need to balance up everything if they do see that they are profiting somehow then they wont make such action but if they do saw that they are on negatives then this would be the
case that will happen.Its sad reality  but business do needs to profit and they would take actions that will really get rid of that problem and for them able to survive.

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We also need to understand that not just the workers but even the casinos are suffering as they have lost significant number of players so while I have all the sympathy with the workers but times are tough for everyone and making someone look like villain is not doing the justice to them.
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We should not treat business, companies that are trying to survive, as a villain because they are also suffering from this pandemic, they can lose their business if this pandemic last for another year, they should do agreement business owners and the workers both suffer, they should talk and come out with a win-win situation.
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We should not treat business, companies that are trying to survive, as a villain because they are also suffering from this pandemic, they can lose their business if this pandemic last for another year, they should do agreement business owners and the workers both suffer, they should talk and come out with a win-win situation.

It is tough for everyone because none of us thought that the pandemic is going to last for so long. Back in March/April, we were hoping that it would get contained within 2-3 months. Now it looks as if this situation will continue well in to 2021. Casino workers are disproportionately affected, because they need to closely interact with the casino visitors.
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I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

Very true! This situation is not special nor unique as most businesses around the globe are in survival mode. Business owners need to think of alternatives how they can lessen their operational expenses. And since casinos don't have the usual number of players, they are not generating the same income as before. Also, this situation has been experienced by most even at the start of pandemic, so they should know that this will going to happen to them. If you are an employee, you need to understand the situation and look for other options where you can earn extra income. Your job is not your whole life where you can depend on. There are some ways to get that money.

It is not only casino workers that are being laid down as a matter of fact hospitality, aviation, and entertainment industry are the worst hit by this pandemic. A lot of workers have been asked to leave as there is not enough money to sustain the business with these employees. This is the new normal now and many things will change in the coming years.

With these new laws by the government, some of these casino employees will either be hired back or will be trained for other jobs but most of them will still lose their jobs.

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November 11, 2020, 05:30:28 AM
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We also need to understand that not just the workers but even the casinos are suffering as they have lost significant number of players so while I have all the sympathy with the workers but times are tough for everyone and making someone look like villain is not doing the justice to them.
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We should not treat business, companies that are trying to survive, as a villain because they are also suffering from this pandemic, they can lose their business if this pandemic last for another year, they should do agreement business owners and the workers both suffer, they should talk and come out with a win-win situation.
All people and businesses are suffering in this pandemic. They all are trying to get up from the pandemic. They lose a lot of money because they can not operate their business.
The employee can not do anything except waiting for the company's policy to help them survive. But the employee needs to find a new job to continue to survive in this pandemic. The employee can not just depend on the company to survive, and they need to search for other ways to have money to survive.

I am sure this situation will end soon, especially if the government can have the vaccine to cure the people. After many people can get cured, the business will reopen, and the economy will recover.

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I am sure this situation will end soon, especially if the government can have the vaccine to cure the people. After many people can get cured, the business will reopen, and the economy will recover.
^ Definitely right but the reality bites, but it is better than nothing at all. If I am in their shoe then I will still appreciate the positive side of it that instead of being laid off I still have a job. Some of us may think that there are shortcomings on the side of the employer but we should understand these casinos are businesses too that they need to earn for their necessities as well. Nevertheless, I can consider this action of casino owners is just and fair that instead of losing their employees and later die due to starvation then they have just decided to keep them in lesser working days every month.
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.


8% is still a big number, that is a bad decision on their part, because the situation is temporary, there's news of the vaccine and we will have vaccines within six months, pharmaceutical companies are in a hurry and competing for the vaccine, the world can wipe this virus within a month and then we can go to our normal life, the 8% should accept the unpaid leave and ask for incentives when things are back to normal.
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In a way, an unpaid leave is way much better than outright termination or laying off of workers because the business has closed. At the very least, the absence of casino work and wage is temporary for them and they could still look forward to the better days.

I guess they are now on the road to recovery.
That's a fair point. Knowing that after the duration of the leave, you still have a job to go back to is enough. Not many, especially during this time of crisis, have that kind of opportunity. Many have been forced to resign and some have been terminated from their jobs and are now struggling to find another job so they could survive.

If I'm in their shoes, I'd be sad of course. But there are also other ways of earning money. Might as well use their time of leave as a time to create a business of their own and earn money their own way.

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If I'm in their shoes, I'd be sad of course. But there are also other ways of earning money. Might as well use their time of leave as a time to create a business of their own and earn money their own way.
If they have an entrepreneur skill they can start, there are a lot of online business that started in the midst of the pandemic and I have seen people doing online business after the company they are working stop their operation, there are still opportunity to create in every situation, if they choose to leave the company be sure that they are ready to face the challenge.

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November 11, 2020, 08:13:45 AM
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I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

Very true! This situation is not special nor unique as most businesses around the globe are in survival mode. Business owners need to think of alternatives how they can lessen their operational expenses. And since casinos don't have the usual number of players, they are not generating the same income as before. Also, this situation has been experienced by most even at the start of pandemic, so they should know that this will going to happen to them. If you are an employee, you need to understand the situation and look for other options where you can earn extra income. Your job is not your whole life where you can depend on. There are some ways to get that money.

It is not only casino workers that are being laid down as a matter of fact hospitality, aviation, and entertainment industry are the worst hit by this pandemic. A lot of workers have been asked to leave as there is not enough money to sustain the business with these employees. This is the new normal now and many things will change in the coming years.

With these new laws by the government, some of these casino employees will either be hired back or will be trained for other jobs but most of them will still lose their jobs.
Our economy already opened and the job are now coming back and it seems that this considered as new normal, casinos are starting to open also and they are now re hiring the employees that they remove before because of the pandemic where there is lockdown and stay at home is a must. The casinos that are now opening have now different protocols like the 5 star casino in my country where the only allowed age that allowed is 21-65 years old, if your age is above 65 years old; you cannot enter in casino because those age are the prone and vulnerable to severe cases of the virus.

I tried to enter in traditional casino with my mom last week, they now operating like before but I observed that their workers are still not the same before. I'm sure that they will re hired those employees that they removed if the pandemic will be already finish. The good thing is there is now a vaccine and for sure that next year, people can now safely use it.
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay


Lots of employees from different companies and fields are also experiencing the same thing. Even professionals have lost their jobs as well. I think that's the only way that they can do for them to survive their companies during this pandemic crisis and I'm sure that they didn't intend to do this, especially for their loyal employees. What we need to do is to move forward and just look for more opportunities because we are all suffering during this situation.
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This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.

If those were good gaming/betting centers, they would have been encouraged/pushed to try online (or something like that) and target mostly the citizens of the country. If they were mostly for the money rather than making others/society better, they will likely find it hard to "feed" the citizens or people close to them thesame thing they feed outsiders. Economies built in this manner will likely suffer when crisis like the pandemic arise. Basic needs won't be affected too much.

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It just reflect how bad the situation in Macau, the gambling capital of the world, they heavily rely on gambling, take this away from this country and they will looked like a third world country, the management I guess have no option, they also need to survive, and since the salary is a main concern they have to cut the cost and the victims are their employees, if workers have other option then they should look for other opportunities like what the 8% did.

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This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.

If those were good gaming/betting centers, they would have been encouraged/pushed to try online (or something like that) and target mostly the citizens of the country. If they were mostly for the money rather than making others/society better, they will likely find it hard to "feed" the citizens or people close to them thesame thing they feed outsiders. Economies built in this manner will likely suffer when crisis like the pandemic arise. Basic needs won't be affected too much.



Online gambling does not need a lot of personnel, so casinos would still get rid of number of employees.

The company has not responsibility on the employees anymore as they are the one making a decision to leave without pay, though it does not look good but that's how the reality looks like when the business is struggling. Macau is the gambling capital of the world, and that is a big statement on the industry as it's struggling now.

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November 11, 2020, 10:13:15 AM
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It's not surprising that this has everything to do with the pandemic situation in our world today, this is very much the order of the day with all the ban on traveling and lockdown of towns, cities and borders. It makes me even ask myself, how were these staff serving at their duty post even with the lockdown rules in place...?
Every aim of any enterprise is to make profit so as to pay It's staff and stay in business and for that to happen, it means the business is got to be booming which is very much not what we saw lately in tthis era of the pandemic. They experienced a 90% drop and later a 220% rise within few months after losing for several months, they've got to compensate for lost months and perhaps see to settling it's staff gradually. The world is all going through some changes at the moment, we've got to adjust and fit in.
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It just reflect how bad the situation in Macau, the gambling capital of the world, they heavily rely on gambling, take this away from this country and they will looked like a third world country, the management I guess have no option, they also need to survive, and since the salary is a main concern they have to cut the cost and the victims are their employees, if workers have other option then they should look for other opportunities like what the 8% did.
This is the result we get from the pandemic, although the situation at macau is not gearing and probably need urgent attention from the concern body. This action was taken becasue of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMPy1Fro4Z4, this should be the best option anyone can take when it come to corona-virus, those countries without necessary precautions where those countries seriously heat by this virus, so, the actions from the concerns body is a welcome development and should be applauded.

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Online gambling does not need a lot of personnel, so casinos would still get rid of number of employees.

The company has not responsibility on the employees anymore as they are the one making a decision to leave without pay, though it does not look good but that's how the reality looks like when the business is struggling. Macau is the gambling capital of the world, and that is a big statement on the industry as it's struggling now.

Physical casinos need a lot of personnel and if you have a lot of personnel and no money is coming in a company will have to do drastic action like this, because they are losing money from giving salary to their employees and rent to equipment and location, it's not only on Macau almost everywhere that the countries budget are being realigned to combat this virus, everyone is suffering our only still lies on the vaccine. 

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November 11, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
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Physical casinos need a lot of personnel and if you have a lot of personnel and no money is coming in a company will have to do drastic action like this, because they are losing money from giving salary to their employees and rent to equipment and location, it's not only on Macau almost everywhere that the countries budget are being realigned to combat this virus, everyone is suffering our only still lies on the vaccine. 
cases like this do not only happen to casino workers and in Macau, hotel workers, flight attendants, and also some restaurant and night club owners must be willing to take this extreme action (firing).  this virus not only damages our lungs but also our lifestyle and economy.  I have often said that it is fortunate for those of us who can still get money from the internet, especially Bitcoin because many out there are very dizzy thinking about what they should do when fired..

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At least they should pay those men a-month salary. What can be worse? Dealing with the pandemic while you lose your job is totally a nightmare. Those people have to struggle for their daily needs. What surprises me that those people continue to loyal to this industry although I believe they can find a new job. I guess high tips are the main reason to prevent them from switching side

Not just gambling but many other businesses force people to abandon their job without paying a single penny. Not all business act the same way, but most of them are not pleased with the idea of paying workers who are planned to be fire.

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November 11, 2020, 08:21:36 PM
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At least they should pay those men a-month salary. What can be worse? Dealing with the pandemic while you lose your job is totally a nightmare. Those people have to struggle for their daily needs. What surprises me that those people continue to loyal to this industry although I believe they can find a new job. I guess high tips are the main reason to prevent them from switching side

Not just gambling but many other businesses force people to abandon their job without paying a single penny. Not all business act the same way, but most of them are not pleased with the idea of paying workers who are planned to be fire.
Paying up a month salary? It would really act as some sort of courtesy but majority of employers wont really be corresponding for that pay thing.

Its actually hard for both side because business owners cant just give out or continue if they so saw that they arent feasible already.

What problem lies here on the workers itself yet they dont have the money to survive out the daily living once they do lost their jobs. This is why survival will vary

on how hard you do try to look for another one or into alternatives.

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thats not weird but that is an example of unprofessionalism . professional company will value workers that are already working for them for too long or to those that are already regular employees .

when regular employees leaved or resign they can get a seperation pay and that amount can be huge depending on how long you have been working on the company . forcing to resign is simillar to being forced to leaved but both of them shouldnt be done for employees if they are working properly .

That should be but maybe you forgot that we are talking about a company or businesses here that face the wrath of the pandemic.

In an industry that hit so hard, there's no such thing as regular employees won't be affected by this global disaster. Obviously, reducing the workforce is the company's temporary solution to cut the operational cost since they don't expect a good revenue for several months.

In fairness to some companies, they still give fair compensation and support to their leave employees. Although it's only for short-term, at least they show how they value their employees.

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November 11, 2020, 11:17:54 PM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.
This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.
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November 11, 2020, 11:26:20 PM
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thats not weird but that is an example of unprofessionalism . professional company will value workers that are already working for them for too long or to those that are already regular employees .

when regular employees leaved or resign they can get a seperation pay and that amount can be huge depending on how long you have been working on the company . forcing to resign is simillar to being forced to leaved but both of them shouldnt be done for employees if they are working properly .

That should be but maybe you forgot that we are talking about a company or businesses here that face the wrath of the pandemic.

In an industry that hit so hard, there's no such thing as regular employees won't be affected by this global disaster. Obviously, reducing the workforce is the company's temporary solution to cut the operational cost since they don't expect a good revenue for several months.

In fairness to some companies, they still give fair compensation and support to their leave employees. Although it's only for short-term, at least they show how they value their employees.

There's no such thing about being regular or not because once a company would face up some trouble in terms or revenue then theres no exception on whose gonna be removed or not.
They will surely mind on how to profit and if it needs to lessen their work force then they would do it and unlucky if you as a employee would be chosen among up into others.
Giving out some sort of aid fund or compensation is at least showing some concern but those amount wont really be that sustainable thats why as an employee who had lost
its work does really need to find alternative ways.

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November 11, 2020, 11:39:06 PM
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Not only casinos do this to their employees, but many other large companies do the same. Casino is forced to do this because income
has decreased, so the budget to pay the salaries of its workers is not there. We also can't blame the casino for this, the best solution for
casinos workers looking for other jobs or they can also try to open a business with small capital. We humans are created with brains,
so use our brains to think creatively, looking for opportunities to make money. I believe every human being has the ability to survive in
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November 11, 2020, 11:49:11 PM
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So, this is still related to the impact of this pandemic right?
Well, this pandemic really gives big impacts, many employees not only in gambling industries are also off, leaving their jobs, as in my country, but many people are also jobless without any severance pay. This is so sad.
Moreover, that is an offline casino where this pandemic really limits the movement and also implement social distancing.

But is that what the best for the government to their citizen? Cutting their job without any payment? Later, will they give the salary for them if they are jobless?

This is a blunder where the casinos also less income and if they do not cut the employees, they may probably be not able to pay them.

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November 12, 2020, 12:35:06 AM
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This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.

It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced. They can still try to survive, and they can still search for another job to live. The employee will not feel better if they are fired because they will difficult to search for the other job while they need money to buy daily needs. This year is a difficult year for all people in all countries. Behind this, we will have a bright future as long as we don't give up to try to survive.
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November 12, 2020, 12:38:58 AM
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If the company can't handle the effect of pandemic, it's understandable that they need to forced leave their employees without pay.

Both parties should understand the agreement as the company don't also have a choice even they don't want to do such actions. Soon, we will goes back in the usual normal we have used to.

Giving out some sort of aid fund or compensation is at least showing some concern but those amount wont really be that sustainable thats why as an employee who had lost
its work does really need to find alternative ways.

Of course, it's not sustainable but at least it can cover the employees' spendings for at least a few days or several weeks.

Unlike those companies that left behind their employees, even the company can afford to give a good cash advance.

It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced.

Unfortunately, transportation was also halted so no way for employees to reached their workplace and not all do have their own vehicle.

The amount of salary they will receive might be much smaller compare to their daily cost going to work.
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This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.

It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced. They can still try to survive, and they can still search for another job to live. The employee will not feel better if they are fired because they will difficult to search for the other job while they need money to buy daily needs. This year is a difficult year for all people in all countries. Behind this, we will have a bright future as long as we don't give up to try to survive.

And those employees that gets fired or forced to leave the company will get the first option to get back their position once the company re-open. Again, this is very difficult to all of us, we haven't seen or experienced this before, so as humans we need to re-adjust and survived in this situation.

But make no mistake about it, Pfizer is already on a breakthrough regarding a vaccine. So maybe next year if the plans go ahead as schedule we will see the first batch of the vaccine and maybe we can get back to where we used to be.

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November 12, 2020, 01:21:32 AM
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This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.

It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced. They can still try to survive, and they can still search for another job to live. The employee will not feel better if they are fired because they will difficult to search for the other job while they need money to buy daily needs. This year is a difficult year for all people in all countries. Behind this, we will have a bright future as long as we don't give up to try to survive.

And those employees that gets fired or forced to leave the company will get the first option to get back their position once the company re-open. Again, this is very difficult to all of us, we haven't seen or experienced this before, so as humans we need to re-adjust and survived in this situation.

But make no mistake about it, Pfizer is already on a breakthrough regarding a vaccine. So maybe next year if the plans go ahead as schedule we will see the first batch of the vaccine and maybe we can get back to where we used to be.
Yes, every industry is experiencing the same form of issue. Corporate network who make a big revenue out of this people should participate in the difficult times of its employees. In my country a company that has got more than 2000 employees is being paid without any deduction even on the complete shutdown. By the time the company owner who had a college made it a hostel and provided accomodation to the entire employees with food for free apart from tthe salary..

More number of vaccines were under different levels of testing phase on human. Pfizer has stated it is almost 90% ready with the vaccine. Hope everything goes successful making things go as before.

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November 12, 2020, 02:27:58 AM
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Casinos are the largest contributor to Macau, and Macau’s own economies are the Las Vegas of the Asian region.
Last year, gambling and gaming accounted for 67.47% of Macau’s economy.
The closure of gambling areas in Macau because of the Coronavirus pandemic resulted in Macau’s economy experiencing a crisis.
Indeed in February, the Macau government closed the casino. But when the casino can already operate, visitors who come are still quiet.
So it’s only natural that if a gambling company temporarily lays off, some even forcibly lay off employees.
It is ironic, because Macau is one country that experienced the most severe economic recession because of the cororna pandemic,
among dozens of other countries that announced their economies because of the impact of the pandemic.

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November 12, 2020, 02:46:08 AM
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~snip~

And those employees that gets fired or forced to leave the company will get the first option to get back their position once the company re-open. Again, this is very difficult to all of us, we haven't seen or experienced this before, so as humans we need to re-adjust and survived in this situation.

But make no mistake about it, Pfizer is already on a breakthrough regarding a vaccine. So maybe next year if the plans go ahead as schedule we will see the first batch of the vaccine and maybe we can get back to where we used to be.

Although they have the first option to get back their position once the company reopens, I think they will not easily come to their company before because they can get a better job. But if they don't have any jobs, they will come back and work in that company, and even their salary becomes lower than before. Yes, it is a hard situation for all of us, but I am sure that we can adapt to this, and we can survive in these situations.

I heard that news, so we have hope regarding the vaccine because many people will save by the vaccine. I already heard that Brazil stopped testing its vaccine on their volunteer, but the government does not explain why. I hope that I am mistaken about that news because many people hope that the vaccine can be among them as soon as possible.
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November 12, 2020, 03:17:52 AM
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Not only casinos do this to their employees, but many other large companies do the same. Casino is forced to do this because income
has decreased, so the budget to pay the salaries of its workers is not there. We also can't blame the casino for this, the best solution for
casinos workers looking for other jobs or they can also try to open a business with small capital. We humans are created with brains,
so use our brains to think creatively, looking for opportunities to make money. I believe every human being has the ability to survive in
any condition.

All of us are affected by this pandemic.

The worst is that despite the world being unfair right now, that we are seeing these people having a hard time dealing with their jobs, we can't actually help them but just sit where we are talking about how unfair or normal that is. We may invite them to invest in cryptocurrencies but I doubt that most of them would just nod and agree to that. What they needed is a stable source of income, we can't just tell them that bitcoin and cryptocurrencies would solve their problems.
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November 12, 2020, 03:54:38 AM
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At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay



That's not a boost. It's a loss. Let's say, for example that the casino has a $ 1 million in revenue (I'm sure it's more than that). A 90% fall means that in September the revenue fell down to $100,000. A 229% boost from September to October means that in October the revenue was $229,000, still down 71% from the regular revenue.

So, it's not surprising that workers are forced into unpaid leave. I'm sure the Casino would like to hire more employers because that would mean they were going to make a lot of profit.

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snipped...

That's not a boost. It's a loss. Let's say, for example that the casino has a $ 1 million in revenue (I'm sure it's more than that). A 90% fall means that in September the revenue fell down to $100,000. A 229% boost from September to October means that in October the revenue was $229,000, still down 71% from the regular revenue.

So, it's not surprising that workers are forced into unpaid leave. I'm sure the Casino would like to hire more employers because that would mean they were going to make a lot of profit.
With the pandemic isn't over yet, these gambling operators will no longer hire people until it settles down. in fact, not only casinos had forcing to decrease the numbers of their workers and limit their working hours. I can feel it because I'm one of these workers who suffered and affected by the pandemic. But we have nothing to push ourselves because the company is also suffered being losses in their part. And the good thing is that we still have a job and we are still able to survive.



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November 12, 2020, 06:30:36 AM
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Its sad to hear for sure. Those who ran offline casinos have faced the problem but not just them but Hotels, Bars, Pubs, Restaurants and so on - places of public gathering. Now whether you want to gamble at that site again is completely your own choice.

Online casinos are always at an advantage here but of course the ambience of the offline casino is unmatched and the social gathering there is completely absent when you are "gambling from home".

Considering the fact that even online casinos have tech and support crews in certain offices around the world, I wonder how they are coping up. Of course the teams there are much smaller compared to the average employee/casino ratio.

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That's not a boost. It's a loss. Let's say, for example that the casino has a $ 1 million in revenue (I'm sure it's more than that). A 90% fall means that in September the revenue fell down to $100,000. A 229% boost from September to October means that in October the revenue was $229,000, still down 71% from the regular revenue.

So, it's not surprising that workers are forced into unpaid leave. I'm sure the Casino would like to hire more employers because that would mean they were going to make a lot of profit.
Well, it's only a boost compared to the month of September since technically you're comparing the month of October to the month of August. Not really surprising that they described it like that, since it makes it seem like they're profiting or something. Still, it's still technically understood as a loss by most people, and hence why they're forcing their employees on an unpaid leave, which is understandable.

Its sad to hear for sure. Those who ran offline casinos have faced the problem but not just them but Hotels, Bars, Pubs, Restaurants and so on - places of public gathering. Now whether you want to gamble at that site again is completely your own choice.

Online casinos are always at an advantage here but of course the ambience of the offline casino is unmatched and the social gathering there is completely absent when you are "gambling from home".

Considering the fact that even online casinos have tech and support crews in certain offices around the world, I wonder how they are coping up. Of course the teams there are much smaller compared to the average employee/casino ratio.
Well, tech teams are composed more of specialized personnel, compared to the employees of casinos where it's mostly social understanding that is a requirement, which makes them numerous, especially since each game requires one to two personnel to attend customers.

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No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.

It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.

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November 12, 2020, 10:36:21 AM
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No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.

It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.

Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.
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No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.

It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.

Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.

We are in the time that only the strong will survive, strong in immune system and financial capability, because if we don't have that, we will certainly struggling at the current situation. This is not the business laying off their employees, its the employees who are force to take a leave because the business operation is struggling, and that means they can come back if business will be back to normal, however, these employees wants to survive also, they can't just wait without doing nothing, so they find a job to survive.

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I don't know how did the workers take this but for me, I think the company or the casino owners have it rough too. I think they didn't just do that or decide on that unless they are in a slump since we are in a pandemic. We all have it rough and there are a lot of people here too experiencing the same, not just in casinos but in other jobs as well. But right now that we already have a working vaccine, we just need to wait.

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November 12, 2020, 01:21:24 PM
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I don't know how did the workers take this but for me, I think the company or the casino owners have it rough too. I think they didn't just do that or decide on that unless they are in a slump since we are in a pandemic. We all have it rough and there are a lot of people here too experiencing the same, not just in casinos but in other jobs as well. But right now that we already have a working vaccine, we just need to wait.
Vaculin has raised a good point and i concur with him on this. There should be times the employees understand the employers, this gat to show that the pandemic has affected the ways we operated in the past. Yes, such as this hasn't been seen or happened to these employees before now, but the advent of the pandemic brought about this new happenings and should be understood. The said casino has suffered hugely in the hand of the virus, and for the safety of the employees and the business they made such ambiguous changes which should be embrace by all (though it hurt). Basically, they will be call back when the pandemic gat an vaccine.

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November 12, 2020, 02:06:17 PM
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Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.
Yes but the thing is, if their contract says that they will be having atleast limited leave with pay then the company needed to pay them for that, they are working to earn money for their needs and family, they are not charity workers that it is okay for them to not pay them, but yes due to this pandemic many of the establishments closses, so I think instead of not paying them, why not shorten their time period , and hire for part timers.

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November 12, 2020, 02:29:38 PM
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Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.
Yes but the thing is, if their contract says that they will be having atleast limited leave with pay then the company needed to pay them for that, they are working to earn money for their needs and family, they are not charity workers that it is okay for them to not pay them, but yes due to this pandemic many of the establishments closses, so I think instead of not paying them, why not shorten their time period , and hire for part timers.
This is actually a big challenge on the casino owners out there with cost cutting in giving salaries or forcing out the employee to take leave without pay.  Due to pandemic the number of customers are limited like 30% of full capacity of casino are allowed to go inside and that will also cut their profits. This pandemic is an unexpected to happen and no one had prepared for this. Maybe next time if another pandemic will going to happen casino owners or the regulators should passed a regulations to avoid something like this to happen in the future.
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November 12, 2020, 03:10:56 PM
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They have reasons why they forced their workers, it could be illegal if there is no pandemic but the casinos in Macau is bleeding very badly because it's their main industry, that has been taken by the pandemic, working in casino in Macau is still a very lucrative job in Macau, they can accept the deal and just ask for raise when the industry recovered, both of them will win the situation.
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The chaos happened because of the pandemic but, will workers who are forced to leave will get paid when the economy recovers? There have been so many devastating effects from the pandemic, but if companies or even the government can promise a later payment once the economy recovers, maybe that will be fine. But if there is no policy in favor of the people or workers, at least it will cause bigger chaos but the gambling industry is huge and it will make it easier for them to recover faster.

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November 12, 2020, 05:08:38 PM
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The growth of income from games occurs only against the background of September. If you compare this figure with October 2019, it will not be in favor of October 2020. That is why we had to send workers on unpaid leave. Casino is not a place that is vital to people during the pandemic, so many refuse to visit, which affects casino income.

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With the pandemic, the company turn the website into an online gaming interface where gamblers can still bet their chances in new online games. It was a wise step to avoid the infection of the pandemic. I would think why all those casinos didn't thought about something similar instead of fire employments. When the workers leave, this is the worst sign the company isn't to be trusted by anybody .

Any casino can create a site for gambling. However, this will not save the dismissed employees, because they still can not all work as a support service or technical staff site. Therefore, if the casino has a seriously reduced number of visitors, they will not avoid layoffs. They could certainly pay at least part of their salary, but this could eventually lead to the bankruptcy of the casino. And so the workers have a chance to be hired again once the pandemic is over. The employees will certainly have to look for a new job after they are fired, but the responsible employer will have to pay a good severance package when they are fired.
But in this case we are talking about a casino running since more than two decades, it's shameful if he just fire employees during a global crisis. I know that it's not possible to keep all the stuff working in something they didn't use to deal with but the casino can even hire few devs to lunch the service online and at least keep revenue to the company so don't need to fire workers .
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November 12, 2020, 05:33:43 PM
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No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.

It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.

Its really sad to think that even the virus is now being manipulated. Its harder for employees and workers to have unpaid leaves because its not only the virus that is the current threat in some places. Transportation might be another problem and that one is really hard to solve since discipline is needed. Its also not the employers fault since this kinds of establishments depends on customers so if there are no customers, that business is doomed.

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November 12, 2020, 08:30:10 PM
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Any casino can create a site for gambling. However, this will not save the dismissed employees, because they still can not all work as a support service or technical staff site. Therefore, if the casino has a seriously reduced number of visitors, they will not avoid layoffs. They could certainly pay at least part of their salary, but this could eventually lead to the bankruptcy of the casino. And so the workers have a chance to be hired again once the pandemic is over. The employees will certainly have to look for a new job after they are fired, but the responsible employer will have to pay a good severance package when they are fired.
But in this case we are talking about a casino running since more than two decades, it's shameful if he just fire employees during a global crisis. I know that it's not possible to keep all the stuff working in something they didn't use to deal with but the casino can even hire few devs to lunch the service online and at least keep revenue to the company so don't need to fire workers .

Unfortunately, if the campaign has been working for many decades, it does not guarantee that it will never fall into crisis. I'm sure that the management has done everything possible to prevent layoffs, but it's not always possible to do so. Besides, one shouldn't forget that any purpose of a commercial campaign is to make profit and it's impossible to work at a loss for a long time just to save jobs.
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November 12, 2020, 08:36:13 PM
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Any casino can create a site for gambling. However, this will not save the dismissed employees, because they still can not all work as a support service or technical staff site. Therefore, if the casino has a seriously reduced number of visitors, they will not avoid layoffs. They could certainly pay at least part of their salary, but this could eventually lead to the bankruptcy of the casino. And so the workers have a chance to be hired again once the pandemic is over. The employees will certainly have to look for a new job after they are fired, but the responsible employer will have to pay a good severance package when they are fired.
But in this case we are talking about a casino running since more than two decades, it's shameful if he just fire employees during a global crisis. I know that it's not possible to keep all the stuff working in something they didn't use to deal with but the casino can even hire few devs to lunch the service online and at least keep revenue to the company so don't need to fire workers .

Unfortunately, if the campaign has been working for many decades, it does not guarantee that it will never fall into crisis. I'm sure that the management has done everything possible to prevent layoffs, but it's not always possible to do so. Besides, one shouldn't forget that any purpose of a commercial campaign is to make profit and it's impossible to work at a loss for a long time just to save jobs.

No business on this world would really able to sustain if it do continue to run with losses and its just dumb for them to continue even if they do know that they arent gaining anything.
Lets say that owners doesnt really like to lay off their workers but you wont really be leaving on having some options but to release of them if you do like to continue your business
or wont become bankrupt but if you do insist on keeping your workers just because you do mind of them then expect on what would be the exchange.
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November 12, 2020, 09:35:28 PM
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Unfortunately, if the campaign has been working for many decades, it does not guarantee that it will never fall into crisis. I'm sure that the management has done everything possible to prevent layoffs, but it's not always possible to do so. Besides, one shouldn't forget that any purpose of a commercial campaign is to make profit and it's impossible to work at a loss for a long time just to save jobs.

No business on this world would really able to sustain if it do continue to run with losses and its just dumb for them to continue even if they do know that they arent gaining anything.
Lets say that owners doesnt really like to lay off their workers but you wont really be leaving on having some options but to release of them if you do like to continue your business
or wont become bankrupt but if you do insist on keeping your workers just because you do mind of them then expect on what would be the exchange.
This is how reality works.

I understand this very well, because such situations are not rare now around the world, including in my country. Many campaigns are forced to make decisions to downsize their staff because of the pandemic and the economic difficulties it has caused. Somebody does it just to save costs, such campaigns I do not respect. But there are also campaigns that need to fire employees in order for these campaigns to survive.
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November 12, 2020, 10:44:54 PM
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The current pandemic situation has an effect on everyone, not only employees who are affected, but company owners are the same.
Moreover, companies that use loan capital from banks end up going bankrupt because the profits generated are not sufficient to pay
debt repayments. Therefore we must not blame casinos by laying off or firing their employees, because this step must be taken by
the casinos to reduce the expense burden. Casino workers do not complain by blaming the casinos, they should be able to think wisely
and try to continue their life by looking for another job or other income.

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November 12, 2020, 10:59:08 PM
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Unfortunately, if the campaign has been working for many decades, it does not guarantee that it will never fall into crisis. I'm sure that the management has done everything possible to prevent layoffs, but it's not always possible to do so. Besides, one shouldn't forget that any purpose of a commercial campaign is to make profit and it's impossible to work at a loss for a long time just to save jobs.

No business on this world would really able to sustain if it do continue to run with losses and its just dumb for them to continue even if they do know that they arent gaining anything.
Lets say that owners doesnt really like to lay off their workers but you wont really be leaving on having some options but to release of them if you do like to continue your business
or wont become bankrupt but if you do insist on keeping your workers just because you do mind of them then expect on what would be the exchange.
This is how reality works.

I understand this very well, because such situations are not rare now around the world, including in my country. Many campaigns are forced to make decisions to downsize their staff because of the pandemic and the economic difficulties it has caused. Somebody does it just to save costs, such campaigns I do not respect. But there are also campaigns that need to fire employees in order for these campaigns to survive.


There would be sacrifices in short but to think that firing employees to let the campaign survive then its no different to those who do just for them to save cost.It wont sustainable if they would continue or decide to go further.Its just not a brainer for making such decisions even though its hard for some part but it is really needed to be done.The economy had been hit badly by this pandemic and businesses now are
doing all sorts of ways or methods for them not to have  that total closure.We do value our workers but is theres something you can do if it do put up your company into such risk?

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November 12, 2020, 10:59:26 PM
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At least they should pay those men a-month salary. What can be worse? Dealing with the pandemic while you lose your job is totally a nightmare. Those people have to struggle for their daily needs. What surprises me that those people continue to loyal to this industry although I believe they can find a new job. I guess high tips are the main reason to prevent them from switching side

Not just gambling but many other businesses force people to abandon their job without paying a single penny. Not all business act the same way, but most of them are not pleased with the idea of paying workers who are planned to be fire.
While many are advocating for this at the same time we need to look at this from the perspective of businesses, maintaining a business is very expensive and when you are forced to close down your doors and you have now to function with only a part of your previous profits things are hard, so businesses will have to take a difficult decision, do they give their employees some support hoping things get better sooner rather than later or they decide to not give anything to them and save themselves that money but give themselves a bad reputation in the process?

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November 12, 2020, 11:13:16 PM
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There would be sacrifices in short but to think that firing employees to let the campaign survive then its no different to those who do just for them to save cost.It wont sustainable if they would continue or decide to go further.Its just not a brainer for making such decisions even though its hard for some part but it is really needed to be done.The economy had been hit badly by this pandemic and businesses now are
doing all sorts of ways or methods for them not to have  that total closure.We do value our workers but is theres something you can do if it do put up your company into such risk?

I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.
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November 12, 2020, 11:31:56 PM
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I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.

And some people think that just because some casinos opened up in September and able to at least get some good revenue, these casinos are now back in shape. These people didn't realize that casinos are just recovering from their losses so it's not easy for them to ask their employees to come back at full force.

With the capacity limit when casinos allowed to re-opened, expect that the flow of a much good revenue will take time.

Give them time. If casinos don't really care about their employees, they should fire them instead of forced leave. Soon, we will survive the effect of the pandemic.

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November 12, 2020, 11:45:30 PM
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I don't know how did the workers take this but for me, I think the company or the casino owners have it rough too. I think they didn't just do that or decide on that unless they are in a slump since we are in a pandemic. We all have it rough and there are a lot of people here too experiencing the same, not just in casinos but in other jobs as well. But right now that we already have a working vaccine, we just need to wait.

They need to adjust in hope that the business will continue, ain't easy task for the owners but with good communication and proper
information with why they needed to do it employee may understand.

Everyone still struggling, casino owners may have spare money but expenses in this pandemic jumped really high. In order to continue
they need to take action like hoping that after this they can facilatate again with how it was before.

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I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.

And some people think that just because some casinos opened up in September and able to at least get some good revenue, these casinos are now back in shape. These people didn't realize that casinos are just recovering from their losses so it's not easy for them to ask their employees to come back at full force.

With the capacity limit when casinos allowed to re-opened, expect that the flow of a much good revenue will take time.

Give them time. If casinos don't really care about their employees, they should fire them instead of forced leave. Soon, we will survive the effect of the pandemic.

People really think that since the authorities allowed the casino to reopen, they immediately started earning money like before. Some even quote impressive statistics on the growth of casino visits in October compared to September. However, no one compares how many people visited the casino before the pandemic and now. I think the numbers will differ several times. That's why they decided to fire their employees.
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I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.

And some people think that just because some casinos opened up in September and able to at least get some good revenue, these casinos are now back in shape. These people didn't realize that casinos are just recovering from their losses so it's not easy for them to ask their employees to come back at full force.

With the capacity limit when casinos allowed to re-opened, expect that the flow of a much good revenue will take time.

Give them time. If casinos don't really care about their employees, they should fire them instead of forced leave. Soon, we will survive the effect of the pandemic.

People really think that since the authorities allowed the casino to reopen, they immediately started earning money like before. Some even quote impressive statistics on the growth of casino visits in October compared to September. However, no one compares how many people visited the casino before the pandemic and now. I think the numbers will differ several times. That's why they decided to fire their employees.

Forcing an unpaid leave is quite similar to firing employees and some employees have already understand that. I don't know their labor laws but quite everyone who are in that business are pretty much affected by the pandemic, so business not profitable as they were before the pandemic would reduced their expenses to survive, and since salaries area  major expenses, they need to get rid of some manpower.
Those casinos will surely know the labor code and they are doing this aligned to the rules and regulations of the department of labor, we cannot blame this on this one since they are suffering big and loss a lot of money because of this pandemic.

We also have a situation like this in my country, and not just casinos but most of the hotels, malls, and big companies are cutting down their manpower since the pandemic begun, hopefully they'll still hire those people when things get back to normal. If you get unpaid leaves, try to look for something or other source of income while you're waiting to a call back.

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I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.

And some people think that just because some casinos opened up in September and able to at least get some good revenue, these casinos are now back in shape. These people didn't realize that casinos are just recovering from their losses so it's not easy for them to ask their employees to come back at full force.

With the capacity limit when casinos allowed to re-opened, expect that the flow of a much good revenue will take time.

Give them time. If casinos don't really care about their employees, they should fire them instead of forced leave. Soon, we will survive the effect of the pandemic.

People really think that since the authorities allowed the casino to reopen, they immediately started earning money like before. Some even quote impressive statistics on the growth of casino visits in October compared to September. However, no one compares how many people visited the casino before the pandemic and now. I think the numbers will differ several times. That's why they decided to fire their employees.
Firing employees are one of the way to lessen the company expenses especially if a certain company is experiencing losses and not good sales due to the pandemic, for sure the employees will understand why they fired even though they have good performance in their previous work. Firing is good especially if there are valid reason but doing a lot of malpractices to their employees are not okay wherein the employees are forcing to do overtime without extra payment or to force to not do a leave. Traditional casinos should not focus on their sales only, they should also give a care to their employees because they are one of the reason why a certain company have profit in their investment.
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If regulations regarding unpaid leave do not exist, then these workers can do nothing but have to accept the decision gracefully or find a new job. The decision seems unfair, but workers should also understand that if a company faces a crisis, then the priority is to save the company first, even though it has to implement an unpaid leave policy.

In business, one of the high company expenses is the salary for employees. So when a company faces a crisis, reducing the number of workers is an efficient way to minimize company expenses, especially for companies that have poor cash flow.

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November 13, 2020, 09:23:26 AM
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This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.

If those were good gaming/betting centers, they would have been encouraged/pushed to try online (or something like that) and target mostly the citizens of the country. If they were mostly for the money rather than making others/society better, they will likely find it hard to "feed" the citizens or people close to them thesame thing they feed outsiders. Economies built in this manner will likely suffer when crisis like the pandemic arise. Basic needs won't be affected too much.



The company has not responsibility on the employees anymore as they are the one making a decision to leave without pay, though it does not look good but that's how the reality looks like when the business is struggling. Macau is the gambling capital of the world, and that is a big statement on the industry as it's struggling now.


I think the business wouldn't be struggling if it's a good business that offer services people find very helpful/important/good for the country. Perhaps, the government will intervene to prevent them from closing business due to the important service they offer customers. That is actually why it's important as a business person to have a business that really helps society so that people or govt will be willing to help when you are down in situations like the health crisis.
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November 13, 2020, 11:00:48 AM
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If regulations regarding unpaid leave do not exist, then these workers can do nothing but have to accept the decision gracefully or find a new job. The decision seems unfair, but workers should also understand that if a company faces a crisis, then the priority is to save the company first, even though it has to implement an unpaid leave policy.

In business, one of the high company expenses is the salary for employees. So when a company faces a crisis, reducing the number of workers is an efficient way to minimize company expenses, especially for companies that have poor cash flow.

I agree with you that companies try to look after them self first and want to reduce cost. But we shouldn't forget that we are all humans, it's difficult times for all of us. Forcing people into unpaid leaves can ruin families. On my opinion the casinos also have obligation to help out there employees. They shouldn't forget about the expertise and training they invested into their employees. They will need them again once everything picks up again.
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November 13, 2020, 11:07:15 AM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.



I think this is only because of the pandemic situation. If the casino is closed for many months, it is difficult to pay the salaries to the employee in time period where the business is stopped and no revenue is generated. This situation is very difficult for both the employees and the owner of the physical casino's.
Also finding a new job in this pandemic period is also very difficult as there are no new job opportunities in current times.
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I agree with you that companies try to look after them self first and want to reduce cost. But we shouldn't forget that we are all humans, it's difficult times for all of us. Forcing people into unpaid leaves can ruin families. On my opinion the casinos also have obligation to help out there employees. They shouldn't forget about the expertise and training they invested into their employees. They will need them again once everything picks up again.

You may have forgotten that there are no irreplaceable people. I don't know how it is with casinos, but usually the bigger the enterprise, the harder it is to organize trade unions to protect the interests of workers. I am not at all surprised by this state of affairs. It will always be more important for a casino owner to minimize his losses and keep his business, rather than thinking about his employees who can always be replaced by new ones.

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November 13, 2020, 12:37:57 PM
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Firing employees are one of the way to lessen the company expenses especially if a certain company is experiencing losses and not good sales due to the pandemic, for sure the employees will understand why they fired even though they have good performance in their previous work. Firing is good especially if there are valid reason but doing a lot of malpractices to their employees are not okay wherein the employees are forcing to do overtime without extra payment or to force to not do a leave. Traditional casinos should not focus on their sales only, they should also give a care to their employees because they are one of the reason why a certain company have profit in their investment.

We will now delve into the maze of labor law in various countries. Although, the situation is actually quite simple. The casino has suffered losses for a long time due to the lack of proper number of visitors. This forced them to take extreme measures and they fired some of their employees.
In this situation, the main thing is for them to comply with labor laws and pay the dismissed workers a good severance package.
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Firing employees are one of the way to lessen the company expenses especially if a certain company is experiencing losses and not good sales due to the pandemic, for sure the employees will understand why they fired even though they have good performance in their previous work. Firing is good especially if there are valid reason but doing a lot of malpractices to their employees are not okay wherein the employees are forcing to do overtime without extra payment or to force to not do a leave. Traditional casinos should not focus on their sales only, they should also give a care to their employees because they are one of the reason why a certain company have profit in their investment.

We will now delve into the maze of labor law in various countries. Although, the situation is actually quite simple. The casino has suffered losses for a long time due to the lack of proper number of visitors. This forced them to take extreme measures and they fired some of their employees.
In this situation, the main thing is for them to comply with labor laws and pay the dismissed workers a good severance package.

Labor laws in country to country may differ, paying a separation fee for employees is still debatable as the economy is in serious trouble, if the company can't pay, they could just file a bankruptcy and no one will get paid since it means the business did not survive. These people are force into paid leave because if a company would terminate them, they might be obliged to pay them, what a smart move, right?

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November 13, 2020, 07:56:40 PM
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If regulations regarding unpaid leave do not exist, then these workers can do nothing but have to accept the decision gracefully or find a new job. The decision seems unfair, but workers should also understand that if a company faces a crisis, then the priority is to save the company first, even though it has to implement an unpaid leave policy.

In business, one of the high company expenses is the salary for employees. So when a company faces a crisis, reducing the number of workers is an efficient way to minimize company expenses, especially for companies that have poor cash flow.

I agree with you that companies try to look after them self first and want to reduce cost. But we shouldn't forget that we are all humans, it's difficult times for all of us. Forcing people into unpaid leaves can ruin families. On my opinion the casinos also have obligation to help out there employees. They shouldn't forget about the expertise and training they invested into their employees. They will need them again once everything picks up again.
For having some aides then it should really be that obligated to provide since its their workers in the first place and not only minding about legal or law but in the essence of having sympathy
once they have lost their jobs then their family will surely suffer but as a business owner you wont really able to provide for that in long term because that will surely create more loss
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Firing employees are one of the way to lessen the company expenses especially if a certain company is experiencing losses and not good sales due to the pandemic, for sure the employees will understand why they fired even though they have good performance in their previous work. Firing is good especially if there are valid reason but doing a lot of malpractices to their employees are not okay wherein the employees are forcing to do overtime without extra payment or to force to not do a leave. Traditional casinos should not focus on their sales only, they should also give a care to their employees because they are one of the reason why a certain company have profit in their investment.

We will now delve into the maze of labor law in various countries. Although, the situation is actually quite simple. The casino has suffered losses for a long time due to the lack of proper number of visitors. This forced them to take extreme measures and they fired some of their employees.
In this situation, the main thing is for them to comply with labor laws and pay the dismissed workers a good severance package.

Labor laws in country to country may differ, paying a separation fee for employees is still debatable as the economy is in serious trouble, if the company can't pay, they could just file a bankruptcy and no one will get paid since it means the business did not survive. These people are force into paid leave because if a company would terminate them, they might be obliged to pay them, what a smart move, right?

When business is losing money, campaign owners are looking to reduce their costs so that the business can survive and survive hard times. Therefore, firing or sending employees on unpaid leave is something that is done to reduce costs and not to go bankrupt.
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November 13, 2020, 09:20:20 PM
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I agree with you that companies try to look after them self first and want to reduce cost. But we shouldn't forget that we are all humans, it's difficult times for all of us. Forcing people into unpaid leaves can ruin families. On my opinion the casinos also have obligation to help out there employees. They shouldn't forget about the expertise and training they invested into their employees. They will need them again once everything picks up again.

The corona pandemic has hit the global economy so badly, and its impact on various sectors. So those who have suffered are not only employees but the companies they work for are also faced hardships.

I think It's not easy for companies to enforce unpaid leave policies, but at least employees aren't actually fired from their jobs and they still have a chance to work again if the situation favorable for the business.

Of course, it is a difficult choice for employees to accept unpaid leave whereas to deal with the corona pandemic they will need income. But if there are no rules that can be used to oppose the policy then the decision is inevitable.

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November 13, 2020, 09:59:19 PM
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I think It's not easy for companies to enforce unpaid leave policies, but at least employees aren't actually fired from their jobs and they still have a chance to work again if the situation favorable for the business.

Enforcing leaves will save the company. It will be much worst if these employees won't have a company to return due to bankruptcy so they should understand the situation. At some point, there are companies that allow a skeletal workforce which is a good alternative.

Casinos are one of the big industries in any country. Their workers just need to be patient as casinos will surely get back on their usual once the pandemic got controlled.
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

Yeah, sad story man: not only casino workers, but restaurant workers (and owners) and many other "social interaction" or "service" employers will be fired from their jobs. Covid, eh.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

This is because of the Macau itself: there is nothing else to do, except to work in casino or to be a paid hooker. Because of that only eight percents  Grin (but for honest this is not funny)

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This is because of the Macau itself: there is nothing else to do, except to work in casino or to be a paid hooker. Because of that only eight percents  Grin (but for honest this is not funny)

That's true as I think in Macau, the gambling industry has the most percentage in terms of demand work (correct me if I'm wrong).

And no other option too I guess as if the biggest industry there hitted that hard, what's more for other businesses.

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November 14, 2020, 12:48:07 PM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

Yeah, sad story man: not only casino workers, but restaurant workers (and owners) and many other "social interaction" or "service" employers will be fired from their jobs. Covid, eh.

This is worse then that it initially appeared. Casino workers are not the only people who got affected and lost their jobs. Macau is not just about casinos. That's true. It is also about hotels, resorts, spa, bars, fancy restaurants, shops, and other businesses related to hospitality, food, gambling, etc.

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Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

This is because of the Macau itself: there is nothing else to do, except to work in casino or to be a paid hooker. Because of that only eight percents  Grin (but for honest this is not funny)

True again. Macau has virtually forgotten other forms of livelihood except those centered in the abovementioned industries.
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November 14, 2020, 04:13:41 PM
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We cannot blame companies doing the lay-offs because they probably can’t afford to operate after the lockdown anymore but they should have atleast compensated well their employees. Macau’s temporary closure of casinos could really hurt their industry, employees switching to other jobs is inevitable in tough times like this.
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November 14, 2020, 04:57:38 PM
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We cannot blame companies doing the lay-offs because they probably can’t afford to operate after the lockdown anymore but they should have atleast compensated well their employees. Macau’s temporary closure of casinos could really hurt their industry, employees switching to other jobs is inevitable in tough times like this.

This is true it has hurt the worst for the people who were in jobs as so were not paid, or had being laid off etc. Businesses are also impacted but their profits would have fallen so this big casino who earn a good profits if continued to atleast pay their employees rather than lay off would not effect that much to them. Only thing is that their profitability would have reduced but for the workers their family is depended on them. It’s sad to see such state of story everywhere.

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November 14, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
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We cannot blame companies doing the lay-offs because they probably can’t afford to operate after the lockdown anymore but they should have atleast compensated well their employees. Macau’s temporary closure of casinos could really hurt their industry, employees switching to other jobs is inevitable in tough times like this.
There are many other ways to solve the problems instead of kicking people without paying a single penny. Of course they can do what they want because they are owners of casinos, but at least have some humanities. Dont they even have hearts. Not only casinos suffer huge loss from this pandemic. Workers do too, and they even have more disadvantages than their boss.

Do these workers have contract with their companies? You can not arbitrarily kick someone because it might violate the contract. If I were the owner, I will temporary let them at home and I will call them back when things get better
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November 14, 2020, 05:22:35 PM
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This is because of the Macau itself: there is nothing else to do, except to work in casino or to be a paid hooker. Because of that only eight percents  Grin (but for honest this is not funny)

That's true as I think in Macau, the gambling industry has the most percentage in terms of demand work (correct me if I'm wrong).

And no other option too I guess as if the biggest industry there hitted that hard, what's more for other businesses.
This really happens in a certain business where they have to think other ways to survive. That's I've heard Macau is one of the pre eminent gambling capital of the world which has the highest revenue in gambling. Mostly businesses are into closure because of not earning due to this pandemic and a lot of people suffering this difficult times. The most thing that they can do while on unpaid leave is look for other jobs to sustain their needs.
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November 14, 2020, 07:41:50 PM
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They should also consider their workers they are earning because of them so they should also value their workers.
We know that they could just hire a new one when someone leaves or got fired but what if most of their workers find other job because of what they've done?
And if they couldn't get new workers because of their action people would remember how easily they forced their worker into unpaid leave while we are all facing the pandemic.

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They should also consider their workers they are earning because of them so they should also value their workers.
We know that they could just hire a new one when someone leaves or got fired but what if most of their workers find other job because of what they've done?
And if they couldn't get new workers because of their action people would remember how easily they forced their worker into unpaid leave while we are all facing the pandemic.
^ Well, that is right.
It will reasonable for the company that will layoff some employees because the revenue of the company was perhaps down and cannot gain base on the monthly basis. It is their right to choose who will deserve to stay on their side but -- forcing them to leave without any benefits from the company is I think against any department of labor. That is a very common scenario that happened and employees should understand the situation. We know that we are still recovering from the economic crisis due to that pandemic while the pandemic was still there. Everything will be solved in a good approach that comes from the company, --if not, many of them will claim into the department of labor.









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November 14, 2020, 10:42:37 PM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.
the casino houses likely to take for granted those long time worker as they are seem to be having a higher benefits so making them mad
and leave their works will let the company choose newer and lower the benefits.
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Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.
this leaves them no choice but either find a new job or accept heir faith on this one.
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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:


Macau will do everything to survive even if this means some workers that will suffer and benefits nothing from this pandemic effect.
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November 14, 2020, 10:42:43 PM
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They should also consider their workers they are earning because of them so they should also value their workers.
We know that they could just hire a new one when someone leaves or got fired but what if most of their workers find other job because of what they've done?
And if they couldn't get new workers because of their action people would remember how easily they forced their worker into unpaid leave while we are all facing the pandemic.
^ Well, that is right.
It will reasonable for the company that will layoff some employees because the revenue of the company was perhaps down and cannot gain base on the monthly basis. It is their right to choose who will deserve to stay on their side but -- forcing them to leave without any benefits from the company is I think against any department of labor. That is a very common scenario that happened and employees should understand the situation. We know that we are still recovering from the economic crisis due to that pandemic while the pandemic was still there. Everything will be solved in a good approach that comes from the company, --if not, many of them will claim into the department of labor.

Though the company is struggling to survive but they are not closing down, layoff means they are terminating their employees and employees are entitled to receive a separation fee, while force leave, they are not, I think that's the story here.

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November 14, 2020, 10:54:40 PM
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They should also consider their workers they are earning because of them so they should also value their workers.
We know that they could just hire a new one when someone leaves or got fired but what if most of their workers find other job because of what they've done?
And if they couldn't get new workers because of their action people would remember how easily they forced their worker into unpaid leave while we are all facing the pandemic.
We know the reason behind this and I think they have no choice but to do this or else they are the one who will suffer,

The situation that we are experiencing is the reason why they have to force them into unpaid leave, it is up to their employees if they will find a new job or what. Since casinos will always find an employee seeking a job if this casino will start hiring again. Especially right now where everyone is looking for a job without hesitation.


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November 14, 2020, 11:55:33 PM
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They should also consider their workers they are earning because of them so they should also value their workers.
We know that they could just hire a new one when someone leaves or got fired but what if most of their workers find other job because of what they've done?
And if they couldn't get new workers because of their action people would remember how easily they forced their worker into unpaid leave while we are all facing the pandemic.
We know the reason behind this and I think they have no choice but to do this or else they are the one who will suffer,

The situation that we are experiencing is the reason why they have to force them into unpaid leave, it is up to their employees if they will find a new job or what. Since casinos will always find an employee seeking a job if this casino will start hiring again. Especially right now where everyone is looking for a job without hesitation.
As a worker and you've been putted into this kind of situation then you wont really have any other options left but to look for other source of income.
When employers are starting to act like this then its safe to presume that theres something wrong that will happen which it is somewhat anticipated
due to the current situation we are ain.They cant just make use of their remaining funds to support out people who do work for them.
They do need to make profits for them to be sustainable and if not then expect there would really be laying off into their workers.
Is there something we can do about it? None, yet there decisions would be always final and as a worker you wont really have any choice.

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^ Well, that is right.
It will reasonable for the company that will layoff some employees because the revenue of the company was perhaps down and cannot gain base on the monthly basis. It is their right to choose who will deserve to stay on their side but -- forcing them to leave without any benefits from the company is I think against any department of labor. That is a very common scenario that happened and employees should understand the situation. We know that we are still recovering from the economic crisis due to that pandemic while the pandemic was still there. Everything will be solved in a good approach that comes from the company, --if not, many of them will claim into the department of labor.

Though the company is struggling to survive but they are not closing down, layoff means they are terminating their employees and employees are entitled to receive a separation fee, while force leave, they are not, I think that's the story here.
That is a need to get prepared (hopefully) almost all the time. Relying on a single source of income is quite different when you have multiple sources of income. Just like what it happens recently were almost all establishment are imposing skeletal working hours and the worse is decreasing the number of workers. Not really so easy to adjust to the pandemic situation but have no option to take than to respect what the company decision as they are also looking a way in order for their business to survive and could still give a work to some people.

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November 15, 2020, 01:02:25 AM
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Sad to say but they are just like other employees that lost their jobs this pandemic and i believe in USA alone millions has this kind of situation now.

and besides Operators lose huge amount now and they need to do anything just to continue their operation and serve others.









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November 15, 2020, 02:35:02 AM
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Sad to say but they are just like other employees that lost their jobs this pandemic and i believe in USA alone millions has this kind of situation now.

and besides Operators lose huge amount now and they need to do anything just to continue their operation and serve others.

Yes, they are not in any way a special case as this pandemic crisis is around the globe. So getting unpaid leaves these days is just like new normal. Now, it is up to you how you will gonna look for other options how to earn income. You can't really depend your living in one source alone these days. One should be smart to find ways how to extend their income or how to get more from other sources. They are not alone in this battle.
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November 15, 2020, 02:50:29 AM
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Sad to say but they are just like other employees that lost their jobs this pandemic and i believe in USA alone millions has this kind of situation now.

and besides Operators lose huge amount now and they need to do anything just to continue their operation and serve others.

Yes, they are not in any way a special case as this pandemic crisis is around the globe. So getting unpaid leaves these days is just like new normal. Now, it is up to you how you will gonna look for other options how to earn income. You can't really depend your living in one source alone these days. One should be smart to find ways how to extend their income or how to get more from other sources. They are not alone in this battle.

I am sure people will trying to search for another job to get paid. Perhaps, they can get better payment from the new job which can give them a better chance than in the old job. Many people lose their job, not just in the gambling business, but in the other business, and we know that they are suffering because of unpaid leaves. If they can create a new business in this pandemic, that will better because they don't have to search for another job, and who knows, they can recruit their friend to help their business.
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November 15, 2020, 04:01:22 AM
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I think those that lost their job and casino workers unpaid during the lockdown, the government is ready to compensate all the citizens in the country. Even some gambler who where isolated in the
isolation center which caused them to spend 7 months and some days in the hospital for a treatment which the government promised to assist all the isolated patient in the country.
Every company in the country experienced failure during the pandemic that caused some employer not to pay all their workers full salary because of the damage the pandemic has caused to different companies in the country.

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November 15, 2020, 04:02:22 AM
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Their employers have gambled with their lives and future, those who are left need to think of some way to get out of such situations in the future. They really need to consider and think about what happened to their job mates. That's fine when they think of another way like finding another job because that job that they're currently working is not gonna promise them some good things in the future. despite their hard work, they still consider their employees to be useless and just give them unpaid leave.

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November 15, 2020, 04:08:58 AM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.
So At least this is much better than laying them Off from work totally right?
they must be thankful because the company still concern about them when most of the owners worldwide are kicking their employee out and not giving a Leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.
i think the Casino owner is bright or i mean Cheater since Older employee can demand for their rights.
Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.



Switching Job in this pandemic?who will accept them when most of companies are closing or laying employees?

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People really think that since the authorities allowed the casino to reopen, they immediately started earning money like before. Some even quote impressive statistics on the growth of casino visits in October compared to September. However, no one compares how many people visited the casino before the pandemic and now. I think the numbers will differ several times. That's why they decided to fire their employees.
The truth is that all industries and sectors of the economy that depended on people spending money on things that they didn't needed have faced a downturn, it's not only casinos but look at restaurants, cinemas and any other business model that depended on money spending from people just because, and you'll find out that their profits have gone down significantly, and this is because people are afraid and they want to spend money only on what is necessary and also because a lot of people have lost their jobs and they do not have money to spend.

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November 18, 2020, 06:56:47 PM
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People really think that since the authorities allowed the casino to reopen, they immediately started earning money like before. Some even quote impressive statistics on the growth of casino visits in October compared to September. However, no one compares how many people visited the casino before the pandemic and now. I think the numbers will differ several times. That's why they decided to fire their employees.
The truth is that all industries and sectors of the economy that depended on people spending money on things that they didn't needed have faced a downturn, it's not only casinos but look at restaurants, cinemas and any other business model that depended on money spending from people just because, and you'll find out that their profits have gone down significantly, and this is because people are afraid and they want to spend money only on what is necessary and also because a lot of people have lost their jobs and they do not have money to spend.

If you are just a regular earner or does highly depend on your job then it isnt really ideal to spend up money which is more than on what you do earn and how much more
into this pandemic situation where every cent do counts because we arent earning something specially if you have lost your job then you would really be having that
feeling that you had been fucked up.So the solution? Find some job or some alternative because if you dont do such thing then you would really be having a messed up
life because we cant survive if we dont have any money to spent.

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November 18, 2020, 07:21:25 PM
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We cannot blame companies doing the lay-offs because they probably can’t afford to operate after the lockdown anymore but they should have atleast compensated well their employees. Macau’s temporary closure of casinos could really hurt their industry, employees switching to other jobs is inevitable in tough times like this.
No, we can blame. First of all, they make tons of money and salary isn't that high in every company, in overall proportion of income / salary is very high and illogical. And another example that I can tell you is that Evolution Gaming left up to 1500 worker without job, just in one day. Is this fair? They are really making tons of money and pay tiny amount of money to their workers (still good in their country but...) and instead of paying some money to their employees on covid situation that was worse for everyone, they decided to just ignore them (forget lawsuit, they would win because of great lawyers and bad country).

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November 18, 2020, 07:29:42 PM
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We cannot blame companies doing the lay-offs because they probably can’t afford to operate after the lockdown anymore but they should have atleast compensated well their employees. Macau’s temporary closure of casinos could really hurt their industry, employees switching to other jobs is inevitable in tough times like this.
No, we can blame. First of all, they make tons of money and salary isn't that high in every company, in overall proportion of income / salary is very high and illogical. And another example that I can tell you is that Evolution Gaming left up to 1500 worker without job, just in one day. Is this fair? They are really making tons of money and pay tiny amount of money to their workers (still good in their country but...) and instead of paying some money to their employees on covid situation that was worse for everyone, they decided to just ignore them (forget lawsuit, they would win because of great lawyers and bad country).

Its indeed a tiny proportion but do you consider on how many employees that you would need to support on? It might be just good for first or second aide but
talking on supporting them for the rest of the pandemic situation? Then it does sound on not to be that appealing at all because no business will survive if they
would able to do so.They did really make tons of money but it isnt really that responsibility that they would support them for the rest of their lives.
For temporal basis then it would be good if they do show up some concern but if not then theres nothing you can do.

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November 18, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
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I think they might be unidentified error somewhere that prompts casinos workers not to be paid, I think in this situations it normally generate nuisance if not handle with precautions to identify the proper reason while workers has not been paid within some times now, I'm suggesting that the blame should not go to casino management but someone should put some certain situations of things into consideration, and I noticed that the only thing that can affects these casino of things not to be paid might result out as a result of down fall of economy, that's from my perspective.

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People really think that since the authorities allowed the casino to reopen, they immediately started earning money like before. Some even quote impressive statistics on the growth of casino visits in October compared to September. However, no one compares how many people visited the casino before the pandemic and now. I think the numbers will differ several times. That's why they decided to fire their employees.
The truth is that all industries and sectors of the economy that depended on people spending money on things that they didn't needed have faced a downturn, it's not only casinos but look at restaurants, cinemas and any other business model that depended on money spending from people just because, and you'll find out that their profits have gone down significantly, and this is because people are afraid and they want to spend money only on what is necessary and also because a lot of people have lost their jobs and they do not have money to spend.

You say so "sectors of the economy that nobody needs". I don't think that's the best formulation. People also need cinemas, restaurants, gyms, casinos and other leisure facilities. Without them, our life would be boring and would remind us of a factory robot's life with breaks to go home to his family.
It's just that in times of crisis, when there is a danger to life and health, people primarily choose the most necessary things without which they will not live. They leave everything else for better times. In addition, with the crisis many people lost their jobs or began to earn less. In this situation, they definitely do not need a casino.
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November 18, 2020, 09:57:34 PM
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I think they might be unidentified error somewhere that prompts casinos workers not to be paid, I think in this situations it normally generate nuisance if not handle with precautions to identify the proper reason while workers has not been paid within some times now, I'm suggesting that the blame should not go to casino management but someone should put some certain situations of things into consideration, and I noticed that the only thing that can affects these casino of things not to be paid might result out as a result of down fall of economy, that's from my perspective.

People are still scared to go out and casino managements needs to take some action not  to lose more money, there's nothing that both side can do

for now, the workers needs to accept what's happening they are witnessing how the business move during this time. Instead of removing them they

are being forced to take leave of absences to cut the expenses.

If they have any options to change careers it will not be hard for them to go and find other jobs or other alternative that can give them sources of incomes.
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November 18, 2020, 10:13:10 PM
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We cannot blame companies doing the lay-offs because they probably can’t afford to operate after the lockdown anymore but they should have atleast compensated well their employees. Macau’s temporary closure of casinos could really hurt their industry, employees switching to other jobs is inevitable in tough times like this.
No, we can blame. First of all, they make tons of money and salary isn't that high in every company, in overall proportion of income / salary is very high and illogical. And another example that I can tell you is that Evolution Gaming left up to 1500 worker without job, just in one day. Is this fair? They are really making tons of money and pay tiny amount of money to their workers (still good in their country but...) and instead of paying some money to their employees on covid situation that was worse for everyone, they decided to just ignore them (forget lawsuit, they would win because of great lawyers and bad country).

Its indeed a tiny proportion but do you consider on how many employees that you would need to support on? It might be just good for first or second aide but
talking on supporting them for the rest of the pandemic situation? Then it does sound on not to be that appealing at all because no business will survive if they
would able to do so.They did really make tons of money but it isnt really that responsibility that they would support them for the rest of their lives.
For temporal basis then it would be good if they do show up some concern but if not then theres nothing you can do.
You got the point, it is not the employers or the casinos responsibility to support their workers until the end of this pandemic. This company probably given the basic support needed, but they need to do things as cost cutting to avoid losing the company. If the workers will understand this, they should know that this is only for the sake of the company, so that they still have a job to come back once this pandemic is over.
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November 18, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
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The problem is that many casino workers expect to be paid when they are home, because casino workers have no other income
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that's the current condition in some casinos based on articles I read on the internet.

So the lesson I can take is that if we are employees who work for the company, we must have another source of income. Because if
there is a bad incident like now with a pandemic, don't be confused if it is sent home without payment, because we cannot blame the
company or the casino for not paying its employees in a pandemic situation like now. Because they also don't have the funds to pay
their employees, because that's a fact that happened.

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We cannot blame companies doing the lay-offs because they probably can’t afford to operate after the lockdown anymore but they should have atleast compensated well their employees. Macau’s temporary closure of casinos could really hurt their industry, employees switching to other jobs is inevitable in tough times like this.
No, we can blame. First of all, they make tons of money and salary isn't that high in every company, in overall proportion of income / salary is very high and illogical. And another example that I can tell you is that Evolution Gaming left up to 1500 worker without job, just in one day. Is this fair? They are really making tons of money and pay tiny amount of money to their workers (still good in their country but...) and instead of paying some money to their employees on covid situation that was worse for everyone, they decided to just ignore them (forget lawsuit, they would win because of great lawyers and bad country).

Its indeed a tiny proportion but do you consider on how many employees that you would need to support on? It might be just good for first or second aide but
talking on supporting them for the rest of the pandemic situation? Then it does sound on not to be that appealing at all because no business will survive if they
would able to do so.They did really make tons of money but it isnt really that responsibility that they would support them for the rest of their lives.
For temporal basis then it would be good if they do show up some concern but if not then theres nothing you can do.
You got the point, it is not the employers or the casinos responsibility to support their workers until the end of this pandemic. This company probably given the basic support needed, but they need to do things as cost cutting to avoid losing the company. If the workers will understand this, they should know that this is only for the sake of the company, so that they still have a job to come back once this pandemic is over.
Will be good if past employers would consider their employees to get them back once they had able to recover but i doubt that they would do such thing but for an owner
who do really think of his own past workers and the contribution that they made then most likely they would really be ending up such situation or option but for now
theres no other thing to be done but to lay off those works for the sake of companies survival.They should at least understand on why such decisions had been made,
if this pandemic didnt exist then this thing wont really happen.

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November 19, 2020, 12:29:26 AM
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We call that the "no work, no pay" policy. Well I am not sure why it is being discussed now during the pandemic times, when this is common place in many areas before the pandemic. Sure we can pity those who cannot work because they were being asked to take a leave of absence. Where I come from, some of them just move on and apply to other jobs that will accept them. We call it "moving on" and I see this as a lack of a solid labor laws in the area. One just have to move on. If he or she is a migrant worker then they could go to their respective countries and ask for government assistance.

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You worked long in the casino or you worked for a short amount of time, it doesn't matter as of this moment so what is the weird thing about that?? What do you expect?? Those who worked for them for a longer time will stay and those who worked shorter will leave?

We saw already the effect of the virus in all of the industries and casinos are one of the most hit ones since there are no gamblers who are willing to gamble therefore their revenues go down.

Feel sad for the employees but if they just know how to manage their money properly, they will not suffer on this pandemic.

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It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.
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Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

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Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

As mentioned many times over on this thread. The local government should have already made laws that would ensure that it would protect the workers and their families. This will ensure that the said workers will receive some sort of paid leave and those laws would also ensure they will receive adequate help in times like these. But this pandemic is unprecedented and unexpected. The laws mostly apply to normal occurences and has nothing in store for such events. We all have to play our part in creating the awareness for the workers.

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It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

I would probably switch the casino to more rewarding and better business/casino model that can attract lots of people and be beneficial to most of them. The problem with many casinos and betting centers is that their rewards only go to very few people/customers and the owners/employees. The casinos would do really well and probably retain most of their employees when they start adding lasting value (good & affordable value) to most of customers. The bad part of their businesses should be scrapped off their businesses and the good parts should be retained and be improved. Many people will see them as essentials or necessary products/services, customers will come in large numbers and business will boom... even in difficult times.
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November 19, 2020, 09:10:43 AM
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Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.
If you watch the news about closing the factory in many countries, you can imagine that the number of people who were not working and not paid for their job was too big to say.
We don't know the exact number, but it could be more than a thousand people who suffer now in this pandemic.
That is the fact that was happening now in many countries, and not just in the gambling business that saying many employees losing their job, but in other business fields, people have the same experience.
They can not do anything except follow what their company wants, and now they are searching for a new job that can help them get paid and have money.
But I am sure that after the pandemic is over, and the company will reopen in the new normal, people can get new jobs in the new company that can accept them.

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Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.
If you watch the news about closing the factory in many countries, you can imagine that the number of people who were not working and not paid for their job was too big to say.
We don't know the exact number, but it could be more than a thousand people who suffer now in this pandemic.
That is the fact that was happening now in many countries, and not just in the gambling business that saying many employees losing their job, but in other business fields, people have the same experience.
They can not do anything except follow what their company wants, and now they are searching for a new job that can help them get paid and have money.
But I am sure that after the pandemic is over, and the company will reopen in the new normal, people can get new jobs in the new company that can accept them.

There's an economic crisis in every country, when major countries are hit by crisis, the small countries are also affected even if let's say they don't have a lot of covid-19 cases, that's the reality, small countries tend to follow the status of the big countries.

Every industry is affected, even those industries which we think provide necessities of the people, they are not exempted.
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November 19, 2020, 10:53:22 AM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay

All of the area of business are affected so Macau is not different from all so expect their reaction like this to keep the business alive,
yeah it is hard for those who losses the job but consider the others that stays having .
for me sacrifices are indeed if we will remain then thanks if we will be kicked then find another job.

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.
Sadly true,they need to survive or else everything will Gone in business.

Lets understand first what is needed to do because in the end things will back to normal.

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November 19, 2020, 09:32:41 PM
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Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.
If you watch the news about closing the factory in many countries, you can imagine that the number of people who were not working and not paid for their job was too big to say.
We don't know the exact number, but it could be more than a thousand people who suffer now in this pandemic.
That is the fact that was happening now in many countries, and not just in the gambling business that saying many employees losing their job, but in other business fields, people have the same experience.
They can not do anything except follow what their company wants, and now they are searching for a new job that can help them get paid and have money.
But I am sure that after the pandemic is over, and the company will reopen in the new normal, people can get new jobs in the new company that can accept them.

There's an economic crisis in every country, when major countries are hit by crisis, the small countries are also affected even if let's say they don't have a lot of covid-19 cases, that's the reality, small countries tend to follow the status of the big countries.

Every industry is affected, even those industries which we think provide necessities of the people, they are not exempted.

Theres no indeed exemption for this one because lots or all of the countries had been affected by this pandemic.Try to look at on those countries which are on the top of the scale
where businesses had been shut down? This will greatly affect their economy.

In result for laying off their workers for the sake of their company to survive and wait up for the entire situation to normalize.

This might takes time though but we are still hoping that everything would be over.We do need to face up the reality if it does really need for us to find another
job then we should do it.

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Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.
They will. The vaccine came out already and it has to be produced with billions of dozes. We're about to get out of the new normal and go back with the traditional normal lives again.
Casinos who were once badly affected by it will eventually come back and operations in business again. Those workers that have lost jobs or not yet paid will also be paid for sure.

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November 19, 2020, 10:40:43 PM
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It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Macao is in China. There are no various native American reservations. All casinos in this city belong to private campaigns. It is difficult to condemn them for what they had fired some of their employees. Every business exists in order to bring profit to its owners.
All that remains is to hope that the pandemic will end soon and the economy will start its recovery.
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November 19, 2020, 11:07:41 PM
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It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Macao is in China. There are no various native American reservations. All casinos in this city belong to private campaigns. It is difficult to condemn them for what they had fired some of their employees. Every business exists in order to bring profit to its owners.
All that remains is to hope that the pandemic will end soon and the economy will start its recovery.

The thing is they are not firing their employees, they are just into unpaid leave which means they are still connected with the company and they can come back when the business is needing them, but this is not really helping them at all because they are not making money when they are on leave, so they have no option but to find a job while they are still on leave from the company. For this long pandemic period, no company would be able to withstand especially in the entertainment industry like casinos.

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November 19, 2020, 11:16:17 PM
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The thing is they are not firing their employees, they are just into unpaid leave which means they are still connected with the company and they can come back when the business is needing them, but this is not really helping them at all because they are not making money when they are on leave, so they have no option but to find a job while they are still on leave from the company. For this long pandemic period, no company would be able to withstand especially in the entertainment industry like casinos.

Perhaps you understand this not as I do. In my country, when you are on unpaid leave, you have restrictions on employment with another employer. You may only do temporary work. To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer. The whole question is how long the unpaid vacation will last in the situation of this employer. Employees need to pay bills and support their families, they will not be able to stay on unpaid leave for a long time. Therefore, for me, unpaid vacation is very similar to dismissal.
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To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of. Even if they live alone or doesn't have a family yet, it's still hard to depend on their parents. What's more difficult is if they start borrowing money from others just to live.
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November 20, 2020, 03:10:10 AM
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It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.
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November 20, 2020, 04:06:45 AM
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It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.

Its true that unpaid leaves of a workers or employee didn't just happen in casino businesses but almost in kind of travel and resort or hotels and restaurant businesses too. This thing just have happened i guess in the time where pandemic starts where almost all types of business were really affected and paralyzed no guests or customers and theres no any income too so they can't provide to all of their staff the leave paid and up to now global economic still didn't made through this crisis.

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November 20, 2020, 04:15:20 AM
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It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.
Here is an actual answer from a real businessman in which the most affected in this pandemic and i find it correct because we are only looking about what is the effect for the employee but what about the employer in which if they fail much many people will suffer.
so maybe it is better to let some leave than everyone will lose work and business.

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November 20, 2020, 04:53:26 AM
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To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of.
I guess that will not be a problem because we can hide that we apply for a new job in the other office from our office or company. And when we are being accepted as a new employee at the new office, we can tell our old office that we resign from our job. I think you will not be sued and you still get paid from the last month because you still work with your old office. People will not want to get unpaid leaves because they can not get their income, and that is why they search for a new job before they resign from the current office.

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November 20, 2020, 11:32:12 AM
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To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of.
I guess that will not be a problem because we can hide that we apply for a new job in the other office from our office or company. And when we are being accepted as a new employee at the new office, we can tell our old office that we resign from our job. I think you will not be sued and you still get paid from the last month because you still work with your old office. People will not want to get unpaid leaves because they can not get their income, and that is why they search for a new job before they resign from the current office.

It's our right to apply for a job, do we think that our previous employer are still interested of employing us if they have already force us for unpaid leave, that's a common sense, you know what it means and you know what to do, if there's someone who has the right to sue, it should not be the employer, but you as an employee.

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To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of. Even if they live alone or doesn't have a family yet, it's still hard to depend on their parents. What's more difficult is if they start borrowing money from others just to live.

You can look for a new job while you are working on your old one. But you cannot sign a contract for a new permanent job before you have terminated your contract with your previous employer. Otherwise, you will get extremely bad references in your employment history.
However, in our country, the law prohibits sending your employees on unpaid leave for more than 1 month. And an employee can refuse even such a vacation.
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November 20, 2020, 02:28:41 PM
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It's sad but not the worse.
We all have been hit hard by the pandemic and without profits from our employers, there is no way they could pay every employee.
You cannot blame them for that. They can provide but they need a share from the government.
Imagine giving away money for a year. How could they start over without capital left in their pockets?
Then, employees will have no jobs to go back to.
This is one of the reasons why I started working from home.

Employees have the rights to get their salary based on the average salary that must be taken per day. Employees must have additional salary for the overtime he/she did on a particular day. Bonuses are a different matter and other things. These are some of the things that is in the law and I think if I were the employee there I would
still work for them but when time comes I will probably leave. As an employee, I would demand that I have the rights that should be mine even if a pandemic comes because I am working for the company itself and the company is profiting even if its small, still it have.
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It's sad but not the worse.
We all have been hit hard by the pandemic and without profits from our employers, there is no way they could pay every employee.
You cannot blame them for that. They can provide but they need a share from the government.
Imagine giving away money for a year. How could they start over without capital left in their pockets?
Then, employees will have no jobs to go back to.
This is one of the reasons why I started working from home.

Employees have the rights to get their salary based on the average salary that must be taken per day. Employees must have additional salary for the overtime he/she did on a particular day. Bonuses are a different matter and other things. These are some of the things that is in the law and I think if I were the employee there I would
still work for them but when time comes I will probably leave. As an employee, I would demand that I have the rights that should be mine even if a pandemic comes because I am working for the company itself and the company is profiting even if its small, still it have.

Employee and employer relation are not always the large corporate and helpless individual. Most of the corporate industry are providing some reduced allowances and working shift to the employee as things seem to open a bit even though the health situation might be deteriorating. It's the small business and it's employee that are being affected the most and with the situation of the pandemic, not everyone are able to provide or get help where needed. I just hope everybody of us would get through the situation and if we can't control the virus, we should accelerate the vaccine for the needed and accept to live with the virus.
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November 20, 2020, 02:34:46 PM
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It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Yeah, that is the point. We should also understand their part, they are doing their business and I think they are also thinking that they are sorry about what happened to these workers. Still, I hope they could easily find another job. This time, it is hard to find a job since most of the businesses and stores are closed or have limited customers so usually they manage it on their own.

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It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Yeah, that is the point. We should also understand their part, they are doing their business and I think they are also thinking that they are sorry about what happened to these workers. Still, I hope they could easily find another job. This time, it is hard to find a job since most of the businesses and stores are closed or have limited customers so usually they manage it on their own.
We are nearly getting back to the normal situation just like before and those jobless individuals will get back to work after a long vacation, after being fired up. I don't think there is a misunderstanding with the situation because if we are also running a business or putting ourselves into them, we might have to make such a decision as well even it was really hard on our part losing people who are working good to the company.
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November 20, 2020, 02:57:46 PM
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It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Yeah, that is the point. We should also understand their part, they are doing their business and I think they are also thinking that they are sorry about what happened to these workers. Still, I hope they could easily find another job. This time, it is hard to find a job since most of the businesses and stores are closed or have limited customers so usually they manage it on their own.

Tenure wise some of the big casinos which has millions of profits can easily pay to their workers partially if not full since it will affect only their profitability. But for those workers whose family might be dependent on their income does not have anything so surviving becomes difficult. This is the testing time on earth where humanity needs to come from within and help as much as possible as once pandemic is over probably those families will become a part of your growing organization and stays with you forever as you helped them when they needed the most.

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November 20, 2020, 07:19:22 PM
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What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of. Even if they live alone or doesn't have a family yet, it's still hard to depend on their parents. What's more difficult is if they start borrowing money from others just to live.
You can do this I believe because you haven't signed under the new employer yet and are only discussing payment and work hours and once you feel the new employer offers better rewards and less work than your pervious employer, I believe you are free to join them after aborting your current agreement.

It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.
They must have given a few months of salary but to be honest how can we expect them to pay for elongated period of time to their employees when they are not earning anything from their services.

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November 20, 2020, 11:43:24 PM
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It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.
But everything looks going back to what it used to be. Does anyone has an update regards to this casino that has decided to make their workers go into an unpaid leave?
From news that I've been watching, things are going back with the new normal and business establishments are operating with health protocol measure.

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November 21, 2020, 03:00:23 AM
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I guess that will not be a problem because we can hide that we apply for a new job in the other office from our office or company. And when we are being accepted as a new employee at the new office, we can tell our old office that we resign from our job. I think you will not be sued and you still get paid from the last month because you still work with your old office. People will not want to get unpaid leaves because they can not get their income, and that is why they search for a new job before they resign from the current office.

It's our right to apply for a job, do we think that our previous employer are still interested of employing us if they have already force us for unpaid leave, that's a common sense, you know what it means and you know what to do, if there's someone who has the right to sue, it should not be the employer, but you as an employee.
I don't think they will be interested in using us as their employee because they can quickly get a new employee with cheap paid. They can use a reason to force us for unpaid leave, so they can search the new people to replace our position. So we have a right to apply to the new job which can give more than the old job, and I am sure that we can get it from many ways if we don't stop to search. Maybe that will look not fair, but that is what happens in real life, not just in the casino but also in other businesses.

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It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Yeah, that is the point. We should also understand their part, they are doing their business and I think they are also thinking that they are sorry about what happened to these workers. Still, I hope they could easily find another job. This time, it is hard to find a job since most of the businesses and stores are closed or have limited customers so usually they manage it on their own.
But this is not only happening with casino workers, almost every business are under the crisis so we can't blame the casino owners alone and can't blame them. Now the  casinos are making more money than their average so they could compensate the workers or else just keep the workers for their service to you in the past.









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We cannot blame companies doing the lay-offs because they probably can’t afford to operate after the lockdown anymore but they should have atleast compensated well their employees. Macau’s temporary closure of casinos could really hurt their industry, employees switching to other jobs is inevitable in tough times like this.
No, we can blame. First of all, they make tons of money and salary isn't that high in every company, in overall proportion of income / salary is very high and illogical. And another example that I can tell you is that Evolution Gaming left up to 1500 worker without job, just in one day. Is this fair? They are really making tons of money and pay tiny amount of money to their workers (still good in their country but...) and instead of paying some money to their employees on covid situation that was worse for everyone, they decided to just ignore them (forget lawsuit, they would win because of great lawyers and bad country).
It is not as simple, anyone that has ever had a business knows that what can kill a business are recurring costs, costs that are in frequent even if they are very high can be made as long as enough planning goes into those purchases but recurring costs like salaries constitute the majority of the expenses in most companies and so physical casinos have really no other option but to fire their employees or to send them home without a pay because they had been one of the industries that have been the most affected by this pandemic.

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It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Yeah, that is the point. We should also understand their part, they are doing their business and I think they are also thinking that they are sorry about what happened to these workers. Still, I hope they could easily find another job. This time, it is hard to find a job since most of the businesses and stores are closed or have limited customers so usually they manage it on their own.
We are nearly getting back to the normal situation just like before and those jobless individuals will get back to work after a long vacation, after being fired up. I don't think there is a misunderstanding with the situation because if we are also running a business or putting ourselves into them, we might have to make such a decision as well even it was really hard on our part losing people who are working good to the company.
Agree to this, it's also a risk for the owner, if they didn't force some workers to leave, then the business might get affected and the worst part is it might not continue. The pandemic affects us all, not only the workers but also the owners.

But if the casino has a lot of profits before the pandemic, they should've given consideration and doesn't use the pandemic as an excuse to remove workers. Casinos aren't similar, some really need to lessen to maintain the profit.
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It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.
Tourism and Recreation Activities really been affected by these Pandemic, many employees in my country became a floating status from regular job without payment hoping that everything will be fine sooner, but these move open many employees turn to entrepreneurs or doing online jobs. It does not meant we will stop working since we're on leave, let's use this time to really find way to quit our job and be our own boss by having business.

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It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.
Tourism and Recreation Activities really been affected by these Pandemic, many employees in my country became a floating status from regular job without payment hoping that everything will be fine sooner, but these move open many employees turn to entrepreneurs or doing online jobs. It does not meant we will stop working since we're on leave, let's use this time to really find way to quit our job and be our own boss by having business.

If you wanted to survive you will do everything to make it happened, there's no other way but to continue to live. Even those people are being force to take leave of absences without any payments, most of them are finding other sources for their  financial needs, online marketing are their alternatives, try to sell something or offer skills that they can get clients to pay them.

Offshore casinos are business that needs physical interactions same alike with other businesses which been really hit hard by this
pandemic, they need to do things like this to cover all the expenses that they need to meet for the business to continue to stay facilitating.

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November 23, 2020, 07:10:58 PM
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Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

The only question is where to go? Tourism is down and almost all casinos in the world have a problem due to less turnover. And it doesn't look any better in other industries in countries in South-East Asia. Casinos are known to pay relatively well, so it would be foolish to change jobs now.
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November 23, 2020, 09:23:17 PM
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Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed
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Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed

Thats the other side of things and we are talking mainly on physical casinos on here.Its understandable that those online casinos are taking some benefits now
due to pandemic situation and also they dont really need that much of a worker yet handling out a site wont require much of human work force.
So lets get back to physical casinos then i have a feeling that on next year where the vaccine would already be available soon then these places will start
to open up their doors completely but for now since everything isnt confirmed yet then those workers would really suffer at the moment.
They do just need to hope that their previous employers will consider on rehiring them back once the business had opened or trying to get
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Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed


Sooner the real casino businesses will adopt online casino and more about the employee or workers they needed must be a worker know more about programming and software issues. And sooner the percentage of non employed will rise. This pandemic has brought to businessman to open up in their mind about online business and transaction. So maybe its a time to switched our minds instead of working at real offices, start worked at our own pace and learned more about digital like online gambling.

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Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed


Sooner the real casino businesses will adopt online casino and more about the employee or workers they needed must be a worker know more about programming and software issues. And sooner the percentage of non employed will rise. This pandemic has brought to businessman to open up in their mind about online business and transaction. So maybe its a time to switched our minds instead of working at real offices, start worked at our own pace and learned more about digital like online gambling.
yeah that is the sad part because since the Pandemic time People realizes the importance of playing online than Going in Casino houses in which hassle in time and the chance of infection.
So sooner now gamblling operators will focus in engineering how they can put business in online while they wanted to expand the operation,but the employee will be lessen as there is no need in physical workers.

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November 24, 2020, 03:43:23 AM
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Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

The only question is where to go? Tourism is down and almost all casinos in the world have a problem due to less turnover. And it doesn't look any better in other industries in countries in South-East Asia. Casinos are known to pay relatively well, so it would be foolish to change jobs now.
maybe this is the challenge here finding Job out of your expertice or even knowledge and if we are really into serious manner we can find even not as good like our previous works,importantly is we are surviving for a while until things back to normal and offers of job will rise again.
Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed

Actually this tackles not about either online or offline  But the Idea of Workers are losing jobs and not treated fairly.
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November 24, 2020, 04:18:32 AM
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Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed


Sooner the real casino businesses will adopt online casino and more about the employee or workers they needed must be a worker know more about programming and software issues. And sooner the percentage of non employed will rise. This pandemic has brought to businessman to open up in their mind about online business and transaction. So maybe its a time to switched our minds instead of working at real offices, start worked at our own pace and learned more about digital like online gambling.
yeah that is the sad part because since the Pandemic time People realizes the importance of playing online than Going in Casino houses in which hassle in time and the chance of infection.
So sooner now gamblling operators will focus in engineering how they can put business in online while they wanted to expand the operation,but the employee will be lessen as there is no need in physical workers.
The business owner needs to think about their business, and in this pandemic, they see that the online business can give them the way to still running their business. Maybe some of them prepare to launch their business online and attract their old members to playing, and if that succeeds, they can reduce the expenses to their employee. But at least, the business owner needs to think about their employee

But the sad part will come to their employee who doesn't get paid for their jobs. It is time for the ex-employee to think about how to solve this and search for new jobs. In this new normal and many limitations from each government in many countries, they need to search for the new job while being careful with the infection that is still around them. Some ex-employees can use the internet to search for new opportunities or make something related to the internet.

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November 24, 2020, 04:39:53 AM
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Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed


Sooner the real casino businesses will adopt online casino and more about the employee or workers they needed must be a worker know more about programming and software issues. And sooner the percentage of non employed will rise. This pandemic has brought to businessman to open up in their mind about online business and transaction. So maybe its a time to switched our minds instead of working at real offices, start worked at our own pace and learned more about digital like online gambling.
yeah that is the sad part because since the Pandemic time People realizes the importance of playing online than Going in Casino houses in which hassle in time and the chance of infection.
So sooner now gamblling operators will focus in engineering how they can put business in online while they wanted to expand the operation,but the employee will be lessen as there is no need in physical workers.
The business owner needs to think about their business, and in this pandemic, they see that the online business can give them the way to still running their business. Maybe some of them prepare to launch their business online and attract their old members to playing, and if that succeeds, they can reduce the expenses to their employee. But at least, the business owner needs to think about their employee

But the sad part will come to their employee who doesn't get paid for their jobs. It is time for the ex-employee to think about how to solve this and search for new jobs. In this new normal and many limitations from each government in many countries, they need to search for the new job while being careful with the infection that is still around them. Some ex-employees can use the internet to search for new opportunities or make something related to the internet.

Its a sad but the truth of reality which was already happening today. As soon as the technology keep on upgrading and so the way of life of people should also follow the trend. Its not just we should blend ourselves from the rapid changes of technology will its because we have to do it to be able to earned, and to be able to live. Can't deny the fact that in future there will be less employee and more in digital aspects businesses even gambling or casino business.
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November 24, 2020, 04:44:14 AM
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We must understand that all businesses now or almost since there are some that very functional and in demand in this pandemic are in survival situation in which they need to act constructively to maintain or to let their business breathing.

And kicking some employees is only one of some options.

They must choose either cutting the expenses or total closure in which i believe even these employee won't let to happen.

Because if the casino survive the chance of them going back to work is there,maybe will take some time but still possibilities are there.









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Things are getting really hard. No one really expected a spike in the number of new infections, although there were predictions that it may happen once winter season starts. For 2-3 months, the pandemic was retreating in the US and other nations, but now the new cases are setting new records. And I expect the worst, when peak winter sets in (by December/early January).

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Many casino owner find it difficult to pay all their workers salary because of covid-19 that is caused some many country hardship over 8 months and some weeks. Many gambler don't too have enough money to gamble in gambling center base on what pandemic has caused to their business, that is making everybody to stay at home, not to contact the virus that is killing people all over the country.
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November 24, 2020, 08:52:06 AM
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Things are getting really hard. No one really expected a spike in the number of new infections, although there were predictions that it may happen once winter season starts. For 2-3 months, the pandemic was retreating in the US and other nations, but now the new cases are setting new records. And I expect the worst, when peak winter sets in (by December/early January).

What if I told you that people actions are responsible for rise in new cases. Once people start doing what is good and moral, things calm down abit... but once heart are hardened, the world becomes more vulnerable. People are literally killing/affecting others, and themselves when they do what is evil.
We have to humble ourselves and ask GOD for mercy. I strongly believe HE will listen and the virus will be stopped.

By the way, businesses need to be allowed to function while they follow the health safety rules. Shutting down businesses whether they follow the rules or not is not a good idea
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We must understand that all businesses now or almost since there are some that very functional and in demand in this pandemic are in survival situation in which they need to act constructively to maintain or to let their business breathing.

And kicking some employees is only one of some options.

They must choose either cutting the expenses or total closure in which i believe even these employee won't let to happen.

Because if the casino survive the chance of them going back to work is there,maybe will take some time but still possibilities are there.

I think the problem is not that casinos simply fired employees, but forced them the quit without getting paid vacation compensation, did not tell beforehand that they will need to search for a new job and let them work for 2-4 weeks (dont know how it is usually done in Macau, but in Europe, when the head says you are fire, you still have to work for a month after that announcement (salary for this month is being paid ofc)(if you dont leave by your own decision)).

The idea is the following - by looking on how much casinos earn, employee cant believe that the situation when casinos dont have money to pay salaries happened so instantly.

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The idea is the following - by looking on how much casinos earn, employee cant believe that the situation when casinos dont have money to pay salaries happened so instantly.

In short?this proves how heartless these people are,without even concern to the people that once laboring them to make their casino grows and wealthy.

Now they took advantage of the situation when the whole world is having sympathy to the affected businesses.

So they can easily do this not fair strategy and decision just to prevent froms pending more for their obligation.









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For sure they are affected to the Pandemic so they they need to do that because money is involved for sure they did not have choice.
Many people are lost their jobs due to pandemic many business closed and more them need to less the employees to their companies .
I hope those workers will find a new better job with high salary so they can be able to have money to spend for their needs.
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Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed

Yes and no! Casinos in South East Asia are heavily dependent on tourists. If no one travels, there are no customers. The local population doesn't gamble a lot, firstly because they can't afford it (especially not at the present time) and also such casinos are specially designed for western or Chinese customers.
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Its a sad but the truth of reality which was already happening today. As soon as the technology keep on upgrading and so the way of life of people should also follow the trend. Its not just we should blend ourselves from the rapid changes of technology will its because we have to do it to be able to earned, and to be able to live. Can't deny the fact that in future there will be less employee and more in digital aspects businesses even gambling or casino business.
Yes, if we can not follow technology, we will still be behind other people without a chance to have a better life. Maybe we need to upgrade ourselves with knowing the current technology to search for a better opportunity to make money. We should use technology, and if we can have the skills and knowledge, we can try to search for the job opportunity on the internet. We already see digital technology applied in many aspects, and we should adopt if we want to follow and have a chance to make money.

If an unpaid employee can improve their skills, they will have more opportunities to get new jobs from the internet. They will not just depend on the job from the real-life because they can create a new business model or have a new customer who will order their services. If the company doesn't need an employee, the employee needs to know what they can do to have a chance to make money to survive in hard situations.

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November 25, 2020, 03:25:47 AM
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Yes and no! Casinos in South East Asia are heavily dependent on tourists. If no one travels, there are no customers. The local population doesn't gamble a lot, firstly because they can't afford it (especially not at the present time) and also such casinos are specially designed for western or Chinese customers.
If I am right, casinos online are different with physical casinos when it comes to getting a permit. In my country, they are cracking down on this online casinos because most of them are not registered. The gambling economy in my country is not affected because most are situated in Chinese dense areas like China Town, and condominium units so I do not totally agree with the statement that tourists are the source for physical casinos, my country is in SEA too.

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For sure they are affected to the Pandemic so they they need to do that because money is involved for sure they did not have choice.
Many people are lost their jobs due to pandemic many business closed and more them need to less the employees to their companies .
I hope those workers will find a new better job with high salary so they can be able to have money to spend for their needs.
They were. Most of the physical casinos were affected by the virus and the solution for them to reduce their expenses in management and staff is to do a layoff.

And this unfortunate scenario happened. Once the casinos goes back, the laid off employees will be notified for the resume of their duties.

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For sure they are affected to the Pandemic so they they need to do that because money is involved for sure they did not have choice.
Many people are lost their jobs due to pandemic many business closed and more them need to less the employees to their companies .
I hope those workers will find a new better job with high salary so they can be able to have money to spend for their needs.
They were. Most of the physical casinos were affected by the virus and the solution for them to reduce their expenses in management and staff is to do a layoff.

And this unfortunate scenario happened. Once the casinos goes back, the laid off employees will be notified for the resume of their duties.

If that's a guarantee then employees would be happy with that, and they will understand that they need to find a temporary job now to feed their family. However, we never know when the old normal will be back, and it's not expected that all of them will come back as others might have already find a new home under their current job.

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Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed


Sooner the real casino businesses will adopt online casino and more about the employee or workers they needed must be a worker know more about programming and software issues. And sooner the percentage of non employed will rise. This pandemic has brought to businessman to open up in their mind about online business and transaction. So maybe its a time to switched our minds instead of working at real offices, start worked at our own pace and learned more about digital like online gambling.
yeah that is the sad part because since the Pandemic time People realizes the importance of playing online than Going in Casino houses in which hassle in time and the chance of infection.
So sooner now gamblling operators will focus in engineering how they can put business in online while they wanted to expand the operation,but the employee will be lessen as there is no need in physical workers.
The business owner needs to think about their business, and in this pandemic, they see that the online business can give them the way to still running their business. Maybe some of them prepare to launch their business online and attract their old members to playing, and if that succeeds, they can reduce the expenses to their employee. But at least, the business owner needs to think about their employee
no need to create new instead Online gambling will be the extension of their Live casinos.and if they are going to hire another employee then those are the tech guys in which will be the engineer on how the site be secure without attracting hackers and scammerss.
But the sad part will come to their employee who doesn't get paid for their jobs. It is time for the ex-employee to think about how to solve this and search for new jobs. In this new normal and many limitations from each government in many countries, they need to search for the new job while being careful with the infection that is still around them. Some ex-employees can use the internet to search for new opportunities or make something related to the internet.
Well like what you said gambling owner needs to stay focus in extending the business and will not worry about the feeling of the employees.

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If that's a guarantee then employees would be happy with that, and they will understand that they need to find a temporary job now to feed their family. However, we never know when the old normal will be back, and it's not expected that all of them will come back as others might have already find a new home under their current job.


because it is easy for them to get rid of and change workers if ever everything returns to normal. so they don't bother with that much. as an employee you just have to be flexible and you are willing to switch jobs everytime there are such incidents happens.
and it is normal for a company to lay off a worker if they know they no longer have the ability to pay it and their business can lose money if they tried to continue.

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November 25, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
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because it is easy for them to get rid of and change workers if ever everything returns to normal. so they don't bother with that much. as an employee you just have to be flexible and you are willing to switch jobs everytime there are such incidents happens.

Unfortunately, it's not that easy for everyone to be able to change to another job, especially for those who have limited skills and those who are no longer young. Moreover, the pandemic situation will make finding a new job even harder.

It would be better if the company provides training for employees who will be laid off, so these employees have provisions when looking for a new job. If the company cannot do this, at least they are willing to work on it by asking the government for help.

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November 25, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
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Things are getting really hard. No one really expected a spike in the number of new infections, although there were predictions that it may happen once winter season starts. For 2-3 months, the pandemic was retreating in the US and other nations, but now the new cases are setting new records. And I expect the worst, when peak winter sets in (by December/early January).
This case shouldn't be politicize like on media, the COVID-19 cases as reported some day ago for the US is that, the figures keep increasing and even the outgoing president cautioned the US citizens not to add more injuries to the current happenings due to the Thanksgiving that's coming. In my opinion, we have to protect ourselves because "when there's life there's hope". These workers involved in the unpaid leave should take this as temporal and not what will be permanent. 

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November 25, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
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Things are getting really hard. No one really expected a spike in the number of new infections, although there were predictions that it may happen once winter season starts. For 2-3 months, the pandemic was retreating in the US and other nations, but now the new cases are setting new records. And I expect the worst, when peak winter sets in (by December/early January).
This case shouldn't be politicize like on media, the COVID-19 cases as reported some day ago for the US is that, the figures keep increasing and even the outgoing president cautioned the US citizens not to add more injuries to the current happenings due to the Thanksgiving that's coming. In my opinion, we have to protect ourselves because "when there's life there's hope". These workers involved in the unpaid leave should take this as temporal and not what will be permanent. 
actually Covid becomes pointing system of the politicians now,some use the pandemic to grandstand over other co politicians and others use to attack the other politicians,so we can't really take it from that.

But it has been tackled before and even experts keep on reminding us that if people stays in their own ways of living and won't follow the strict rules and etiquette then surely the infection will even get higher the more we are fighting this.

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November 25, 2020, 12:24:12 PM
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This case shouldn't be politicize like on media, the COVID-19 cases as reported some day ago for the US is that, the figures keep increasing and even the outgoing president cautioned the US citizens not to add more injuries to the current happenings due to the Thanksgiving that's coming. In my opinion, we have to protect ourselves because "when there's life there's hope". These workers involved in the unpaid leave should take this as temporal and not what will be permanent. 

People are trying to paint a picture of starving and cashless casino workers. That is not the case. Everyone is getting their stimulus cheques from the government and that should take care of the necessities for a while. But then you can't expect the casino owners to pay wages to all of their employees, when they are having zero revenues for the past many months.
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November 25, 2020, 12:44:14 PM
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Things are getting really hard. No one really expected a spike in the number of new infections, although there were predictions that it may happen once winter season starts. For 2-3 months, the pandemic was retreating in the US and other nations, but now the new cases are setting new records. And I expect the worst, when peak winter sets in (by December/early January).
This case shouldn't be politicize like on media, the COVID-19 cases as reported some day ago for the US is that, the figures keep increasing and even the outgoing president cautioned the US citizens not to add more injuries to the current happenings due to the Thanksgiving that's coming. In my opinion, we have to protect ourselves because "when there's life there's hope". These workers involved in the unpaid leave should take this as temporal and not what will be permanent. 
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But it has been tackled before and even experts keep on reminding us that if people stays in their own ways of living and won't follow the strict rules and etiquette then surely the infection will even get higher the more we are fighting this.
Making a sacrifice that will ensure the slowing down of this pandemic should be citizens priority for now becasue their lives come first than another. Staying in our various homes to curb the spread of the virus better for everyone, for violating these cautions from the right authorities will only worsen this situation for citizens.

This case shouldn't be politicize like on media, the COVID-19 cases as reported some day ago for the US is that, the figures keep increasing and even the outgoing president cautioned the US citizens not to add more injuries to the current happenings due to the Thanksgiving that's coming. In my opinion, we have to protect ourselves because "when there's life there's hope". These workers involved in the unpaid leave should take this as temporal and not what will be permanent. 
People are trying to paint a picture of starving and cashless casino workers. That is not the case. Everyone is getting their stimulus cheques from the government and that should take care of the necessities for a while. But then you can't expect the casino owners to pay wages to all of their employees, when they are having zero revenues for the past many months.
This should be understood, that these casinos lost much and wanted to ease their workers against their services under patronize and not the obvious going around the internet, thanks for the insight.

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November 25, 2020, 08:49:11 PM
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For sure they are affected to the Pandemic so they they need to do that because money is involved for sure they did not have choice.
Many people are lost their jobs due to pandemic many business closed and more them need to less the employees to their companies .
I hope those workers will find a new better job with high salary so they can be able to have money to spend for their needs.
They were. Most of the physical casinos were affected by the virus and the solution for them to reduce their expenses in management and staff is to do a layoff.

And this unfortunate scenario happened. Once the casinos goes back, the laid off employees will be notified for the resume of their duties.

If that's a guarantee then employees would be happy with that, and they will understand that they need to find a temporary job now to feed their family. However, we never know when the old normal will be back, and it's not expected that all of them will come back as others might have already find a new home under their current job.

They dont guarantee, but this will be the best solution. It is always easier to get your employee back, than get a new one, spend time studying him how to work, wait until he understands all and passes tests, and only then release him to the casino to an experienced gamblers.

Of course no one will just sit back and wait when he will be called back. Maybe forcing people to leave was not the best solution, but from casinos position what else could they do? I'm 100% sure that they did not fire them strait after the lockdown period was announced or when casino owner say how their income reduced.

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November 25, 2020, 09:31:38 PM
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Now we can see a perfect example that demonstrates huuuge privileges of online gambling and casinos in particular. I bet not only they aren't facing a crisis, while everyone else is, but are actually gaining more revenue now, because the gamblers never stopped playing, right? They switched to online  Lips sealed

Yes and no! Casinos in South East Asia are heavily dependent on tourists. If no one travels, there are no customers. The local population doesn't gamble a lot, firstly because they can't afford it (especially not at the present time) and also such casinos are specially designed for western or Chinese customers.
That's exactly my point! Online casinos were never dependent on tourists and that's why they aren't suffering from customer shortage now. In the meantime, gamblers that used to play in physical casinos will keep on playing, only now for that purpose they'll use online platforms. And it happens all around the world now, so it's only logical to assume that their revenue grows.
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November 25, 2020, 10:07:47 PM
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Kinda sad that both these casinos and the people who woek for them struggle to make ends meet. And what's even bad about this is the fact that most skills you obtain working for a casino cannot be transferred to their new jobs. So it's going to be a hard time for them getting good at and used to the new work they will be in.

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