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November 11, 2020, 08:21:36 PM
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At least they should pay those men a-month salary. What can be worse? Dealing with the pandemic while you lose your job is totally a nightmare. Those people have to struggle for their daily needs. What surprises me that those people continue to loyal to this industry although I believe they can find a new job. I guess high tips are the main reason to prevent them from switching side

Not just gambling but many other businesses force people to abandon their job without paying a single penny. Not all business act the same way, but most of them are not pleased with the idea of paying workers who are planned to be fire.
Paying up a month salary? It would really act as some sort of courtesy but majority of employers wont really be corresponding for that pay thing.

Its actually hard for both side because business owners cant just give out or continue if they so saw that they arent feasible already.

What problem lies here on the workers itself yet they dont have the money to survive out the daily living once they do lost their jobs. This is why survival will vary

on how hard you do try to look for another one or into alternatives.

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November 11, 2020, 09:49:59 PM
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thats not weird but that is an example of unprofessionalism . professional company will value workers that are already working for them for too long or to those that are already regular employees .

when regular employees leaved or resign they can get a seperation pay and that amount can be huge depending on how long you have been working on the company . forcing to resign is simillar to being forced to leaved but both of them shouldnt be done for employees if they are working properly .

That should be but maybe you forgot that we are talking about a company or businesses here that face the wrath of the pandemic.

In an industry that hit so hard, there's no such thing as regular employees won't be affected by this global disaster. Obviously, reducing the workforce is the company's temporary solution to cut the operational cost since they don't expect a good revenue for several months.

In fairness to some companies, they still give fair compensation and support to their leave employees. Although it's only for short-term, at least they show how they value their employees.

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November 11, 2020, 11:17:54 PM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.
This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.
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November 11, 2020, 11:26:20 PM
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thats not weird but that is an example of unprofessionalism . professional company will value workers that are already working for them for too long or to those that are already regular employees .

when regular employees leaved or resign they can get a seperation pay and that amount can be huge depending on how long you have been working on the company . forcing to resign is simillar to being forced to leaved but both of them shouldnt be done for employees if they are working properly .

That should be but maybe you forgot that we are talking about a company or businesses here that face the wrath of the pandemic.

In an industry that hit so hard, there's no such thing as regular employees won't be affected by this global disaster. Obviously, reducing the workforce is the company's temporary solution to cut the operational cost since they don't expect a good revenue for several months.

In fairness to some companies, they still give fair compensation and support to their leave employees. Although it's only for short-term, at least they show how they value their employees.

There's no such thing about being regular or not because once a company would face up some trouble in terms or revenue then theres no exception on whose gonna be removed or not.
They will surely mind on how to profit and if it needs to lessen their work force then they would do it and unlucky if you as a employee would be chosen among up into others.
Giving out some sort of aid fund or compensation is at least showing some concern but those amount wont really be that sustainable thats why as an employee who had lost
its work does really need to find alternative ways.

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November 11, 2020, 11:39:06 PM
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Not only casinos do this to their employees, but many other large companies do the same. Casino is forced to do this because income
has decreased, so the budget to pay the salaries of its workers is not there. We also can't blame the casino for this, the best solution for
casinos workers looking for other jobs or they can also try to open a business with small capital. We humans are created with brains,
so use our brains to think creatively, looking for opportunities to make money. I believe every human being has the ability to survive in
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November 11, 2020, 11:49:11 PM
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So, this is still related to the impact of this pandemic right?
Well, this pandemic really gives big impacts, many employees not only in gambling industries are also off, leaving their jobs, as in my country, but many people are also jobless without any severance pay. This is so sad.
Moreover, that is an offline casino where this pandemic really limits the movement and also implement social distancing.

But is that what the best for the government to their citizen? Cutting their job without any payment? Later, will they give the salary for them if they are jobless?

This is a blunder where the casinos also less income and if they do not cut the employees, they may probably be not able to pay them.

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November 12, 2020, 12:35:06 AM
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This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.

It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced. They can still try to survive, and they can still search for another job to live. The employee will not feel better if they are fired because they will difficult to search for the other job while they need money to buy daily needs. This year is a difficult year for all people in all countries. Behind this, we will have a bright future as long as we don't give up to try to survive.
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November 12, 2020, 12:38:58 AM
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If the company can't handle the effect of pandemic, it's understandable that they need to forced leave their employees without pay.

Both parties should understand the agreement as the company don't also have a choice even they don't want to do such actions. Soon, we will goes back in the usual normal we have used to.

Giving out some sort of aid fund or compensation is at least showing some concern but those amount wont really be that sustainable thats why as an employee who had lost
its work does really need to find alternative ways.

Of course, it's not sustainable but at least it can cover the employees' spendings for at least a few days or several weeks.

Unlike those companies that left behind their employees, even the company can afford to give a good cash advance.

It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced.

Unfortunately, transportation was also halted so no way for employees to reached their workplace and not all do have their own vehicle.

The amount of salary they will receive might be much smaller compare to their daily cost going to work.
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November 12, 2020, 12:43:50 AM
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This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.

It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced. They can still try to survive, and they can still search for another job to live. The employee will not feel better if they are fired because they will difficult to search for the other job while they need money to buy daily needs. This year is a difficult year for all people in all countries. Behind this, we will have a bright future as long as we don't give up to try to survive.

And those employees that gets fired or forced to leave the company will get the first option to get back their position once the company re-open. Again, this is very difficult to all of us, we haven't seen or experienced this before, so as humans we need to re-adjust and survived in this situation.

But make no mistake about it, Pfizer is already on a breakthrough regarding a vaccine. So maybe next year if the plans go ahead as schedule we will see the first batch of the vaccine and maybe we can get back to where we used to be.

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November 12, 2020, 01:21:32 AM
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This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.

It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced. They can still try to survive, and they can still search for another job to live. The employee will not feel better if they are fired because they will difficult to search for the other job while they need money to buy daily needs. This year is a difficult year for all people in all countries. Behind this, we will have a bright future as long as we don't give up to try to survive.

And those employees that gets fired or forced to leave the company will get the first option to get back their position once the company re-open. Again, this is very difficult to all of us, we haven't seen or experienced this before, so as humans we need to re-adjust and survived in this situation.

But make no mistake about it, Pfizer is already on a breakthrough regarding a vaccine. So maybe next year if the plans go ahead as schedule we will see the first batch of the vaccine and maybe we can get back to where we used to be.
Yes, every industry is experiencing the same form of issue. Corporate network who make a big revenue out of this people should participate in the difficult times of its employees. In my country a company that has got more than 2000 employees is being paid without any deduction even on the complete shutdown. By the time the company owner who had a college made it a hostel and provided accomodation to the entire employees with food for free apart from tthe salary..

More number of vaccines were under different levels of testing phase on human. Pfizer has stated it is almost 90% ready with the vaccine. Hope everything goes successful making things go as before.

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November 12, 2020, 02:27:58 AM
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Casinos are the largest contributor to Macau, and Macau’s own economies are the Las Vegas of the Asian region.
Last year, gambling and gaming accounted for 67.47% of Macau’s economy.
The closure of gambling areas in Macau because of the Coronavirus pandemic resulted in Macau’s economy experiencing a crisis.
Indeed in February, the Macau government closed the casino. But when the casino can already operate, visitors who come are still quiet.
So it’s only natural that if a gambling company temporarily lays off, some even forcibly lay off employees.
It is ironic, because Macau is one country that experienced the most severe economic recession because of the cororna pandemic,
among dozens of other countries that announced their economies because of the impact of the pandemic.

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November 12, 2020, 02:46:08 AM
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And those employees that gets fired or forced to leave the company will get the first option to get back their position once the company re-open. Again, this is very difficult to all of us, we haven't seen or experienced this before, so as humans we need to re-adjust and survived in this situation.

But make no mistake about it, Pfizer is already on a breakthrough regarding a vaccine. So maybe next year if the plans go ahead as schedule we will see the first batch of the vaccine and maybe we can get back to where we used to be.

Although they have the first option to get back their position once the company reopens, I think they will not easily come to their company before because they can get a better job. But if they don't have any jobs, they will come back and work in that company, and even their salary becomes lower than before. Yes, it is a hard situation for all of us, but I am sure that we can adapt to this, and we can survive in these situations.

I heard that news, so we have hope regarding the vaccine because many people will save by the vaccine. I already heard that Brazil stopped testing its vaccine on their volunteer, but the government does not explain why. I hope that I am mistaken about that news because many people hope that the vaccine can be among them as soon as possible.
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November 12, 2020, 03:17:52 AM
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Not only casinos do this to their employees, but many other large companies do the same. Casino is forced to do this because income
has decreased, so the budget to pay the salaries of its workers is not there. We also can't blame the casino for this, the best solution for
casinos workers looking for other jobs or they can also try to open a business with small capital. We humans are created with brains,
so use our brains to think creatively, looking for opportunities to make money. I believe every human being has the ability to survive in
any condition.

All of us are affected by this pandemic.

The worst is that despite the world being unfair right now, that we are seeing these people having a hard time dealing with their jobs, we can't actually help them but just sit where we are talking about how unfair or normal that is. We may invite them to invest in cryptocurrencies but I doubt that most of them would just nod and agree to that. What they needed is a stable source of income, we can't just tell them that bitcoin and cryptocurrencies would solve their problems.
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November 12, 2020, 03:54:38 AM
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At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.


Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay



That's not a boost. It's a loss. Let's say, for example that the casino has a $ 1 million in revenue (I'm sure it's more than that). A 90% fall means that in September the revenue fell down to $100,000. A 229% boost from September to October means that in October the revenue was $229,000, still down 71% from the regular revenue.

So, it's not surprising that workers are forced into unpaid leave. I'm sure the Casino would like to hire more employers because that would mean they were going to make a lot of profit.

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That's not a boost. It's a loss. Let's say, for example that the casino has a $ 1 million in revenue (I'm sure it's more than that). A 90% fall means that in September the revenue fell down to $100,000. A 229% boost from September to October means that in October the revenue was $229,000, still down 71% from the regular revenue.

So, it's not surprising that workers are forced into unpaid leave. I'm sure the Casino would like to hire more employers because that would mean they were going to make a lot of profit.
With the pandemic isn't over yet, these gambling operators will no longer hire people until it settles down. in fact, not only casinos had forcing to decrease the numbers of their workers and limit their working hours. I can feel it because I'm one of these workers who suffered and affected by the pandemic. But we have nothing to push ourselves because the company is also suffered being losses in their part. And the good thing is that we still have a job and we are still able to survive.



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November 12, 2020, 06:30:36 AM
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Its sad to hear for sure. Those who ran offline casinos have faced the problem but not just them but Hotels, Bars, Pubs, Restaurants and so on - places of public gathering. Now whether you want to gamble at that site again is completely your own choice.

Online casinos are always at an advantage here but of course the ambience of the offline casino is unmatched and the social gathering there is completely absent when you are "gambling from home".

Considering the fact that even online casinos have tech and support crews in certain offices around the world, I wonder how they are coping up. Of course the teams there are much smaller compared to the average employee/casino ratio.

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November 12, 2020, 07:04:39 AM
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That's not a boost. It's a loss. Let's say, for example that the casino has a $ 1 million in revenue (I'm sure it's more than that). A 90% fall means that in September the revenue fell down to $100,000. A 229% boost from September to October means that in October the revenue was $229,000, still down 71% from the regular revenue.

So, it's not surprising that workers are forced into unpaid leave. I'm sure the Casino would like to hire more employers because that would mean they were going to make a lot of profit.
Well, it's only a boost compared to the month of September since technically you're comparing the month of October to the month of August. Not really surprising that they described it like that, since it makes it seem like they're profiting or something. Still, it's still technically understood as a loss by most people, and hence why they're forcing their employees on an unpaid leave, which is understandable.

Its sad to hear for sure. Those who ran offline casinos have faced the problem but not just them but Hotels, Bars, Pubs, Restaurants and so on - places of public gathering. Now whether you want to gamble at that site again is completely your own choice.

Online casinos are always at an advantage here but of course the ambience of the offline casino is unmatched and the social gathering there is completely absent when you are "gambling from home".

Considering the fact that even online casinos have tech and support crews in certain offices around the world, I wonder how they are coping up. Of course the teams there are much smaller compared to the average employee/casino ratio.
Well, tech teams are composed more of specialized personnel, compared to the employees of casinos where it's mostly social understanding that is a requirement, which makes them numerous, especially since each game requires one to two personnel to attend customers.

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No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.

It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.

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November 12, 2020, 10:36:21 AM
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No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.

It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.

Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.
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November 12, 2020, 12:42:06 PM
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No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.

It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.

Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.

We are in the time that only the strong will survive, strong in immune system and financial capability, because if we don't have that, we will certainly struggling at the current situation. This is not the business laying off their employees, its the employees who are force to take a leave because the business operation is struggling, and that means they can come back if business will be back to normal, however, these employees wants to survive also, they can't just wait without doing nothing, so they find a job to survive.

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